CGC or CBCS? What's the Difference?
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Gem explains the difference between the major #ComicBook grading companies #CGC and #CBCS
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Also, CBCS offers free grader's notes, so that you can see why your book received the grade it did. You have to pay extra for grader's notes from CGC.
@ziggyc4474
2 жыл бұрын
Thats great
I'm CBCS all the way. Good to see the support for them in the comments. I feel anyone who knows goes with them. They said this can be done better and they have.
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
i think they just announced a census
This is one of those things all of us collectors think about but never get around to finding out. Smalls you bring knowledge to us all and I appreciate it man. Keep doing your thing!
I've used both companies and CBCS def has more stricter grading standards. CGC tends to be slightly more leniant on their end making it more favorable for a seller to use. CGC has been around for awhile so I see a lot of collectors tend to gravitate towards them. But dont overlook CBCS, their late to the party but their out there making moves!
@ericpurcell784
4 жыл бұрын
I have been saying this for awhile. Well stricter I do believe I would prefer a more accurate rating over something getting overrated. Plus free grading notes has me favor CBCS over CGC.
@buzuxi
4 жыл бұрын
Cgc definately overgrades. Cbcs has the more accurate grading. I think CGC excels in golden age and silver age books. They are more likely to catch trimmed books, faint restoration and missing pages. The same goes with the cgc census a valuable tool for golden age books but on modern books basically meaningless. Thousands of modern day books graded and then many have been cracked open and the label discarded even many already graded books resubmitted after pressing with never notifying the company that it was previously in their databases skewing any census.
@garrett3877
3 жыл бұрын
Eric Purcell your 100% right and why I know 100% is I buy only CBCS crack send in to CGC and return in investment every single time. Grade bumps .5 to 1.0.. sometimes higher but not often.
@no_one_from_nowhere
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I really like cbcs. There something about the underdog that appeals to me. I will use cbcs but not some shady company like pgx
@Kaiesis
2 жыл бұрын
Edit your post and change "their" to "they're." I don't take your comment serious with such simple grammar errors.
I've been a subscriber of yours now for about 3 months and I've got to say you are most definitely the most informative person on KZread about comic collecting. Keep up the outstanding work!
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
thanks! i appreciate that
@rodino70
4 жыл бұрын
@@GemMintCollectibles you're welcome, I appreciate your vast knowledge.
Am a Old Time Collector that's been out for a while & thinking of sending some books. You Cleared up the CGC vs. CBCS for me.... that had been my thoughts a few years ago & it seems it's Still that way today.... Thanks!
Thanks Gem, really informative and concise. I’ve never had anything graded myself (only bought pre-graded) so this video is really useful
Awesome video Gem like always its amazing to see you help out people who are trying to get into collecting
Hey gem!.I really appreciate the video and learned something new today,I guess the old saying is true "we learn something every day" so thank you!
Totally new guy here when it comes to collecting, grading, pressing..etc. This video and the others have been really valuable.
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad!
Hey Gem thanks very much for another interesting and informative video. Since I joined the channel and Facebook group I learned a ton about comics and statues. I never really knew the difference between an absolute or omnibus and now I do. Keep doing what ur doing 👍🏻
Definitely loved this vid! Been interested in collecting never understood anything about this process until a few vids back that you have posted. Would love a tutorial of sorts on the process itself if that makes sense.
Awesome job bro, whoever watches this video will definitely have a good understanding of the differences between both companies.
Can you make a video on a how to send submissions to CGC
Neat Video. I didn't even know about the other grading companies until now.
Got my first one today posted on your FB trying to get into this game why I’m going back on all your old CGC videos.
CGC graded 10 should have a picture of Gem Mint in the corner lol.
@alchemisttheanimator
2 жыл бұрын
Damn right
I’ve always been a collector of comics and how to store them but these videos are very informative in things that I don’t know. Thanks Gem 💎
CBCS also gives a far more fair grading which deters people..why send to CBCS and get a 7.0 grade when you can send to CGC and get 7.5...thus the real reason people use CGC more.
@waltwhitmanleaves
4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Taylor grading is all subjective And that comment Makes zero sense
@oceanrising6137
4 жыл бұрын
CGC might have a senses and sells more than CBCS, but CGC has become less objective in their grading on key issues in more recent years. I had ASM #361 that should be graded at a 7.5 and CGC gave me a 9.2....
@ziggyc4474
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but wjat the difference in a sales price of .5 and how long is the cgc wait?
@ziggyc4474
2 жыл бұрын
@@oceanrising6137 well you made some more cash or not isn't that what u wanna make as well ?
@mikeg8991
8 ай бұрын
Is that a legitimate argument? Is that an actual debate so what I’m hearing from you is let’s say I had a 9.6 book graded by CBCS that same book might be greater than a 10 by CGC?
Have you considered doing an update to this video? CBCS has gained a lot of traction since this video and their books sell for the same in a lot of cases now. They now have a census too which takes away almost everything from CGC as far as advantages. It's a great video and accurate af at the time. CGC may be getting too big for it's britches.
@pwilson2345
2 жыл бұрын
There's no MAY! CGC has gotten too big for its own good. Something is up with CGC. I sent 4 modern books expedited in April this year. And still haven't received them. I called CGC customer support and a representative told me I won't receive my books until December this year. I also checked the status of these books last week in my CGC account. And all of my books just went into pressing 2 weeks ago🤣🤣🤣
I appreciate the comparison between the two I do both. Both companies have their pros and cons i actually dont mind CBCS labels and i like their sig verification and they also have a raw graded service which cgc dont offer for you know the small subset of collectors that want to still read their graded copy.
Solid video and review. Digging your content good sir. Really appreciate the way you let the hobby fund itself. For me it's so hard to let go of certain things, although I have . I sold enough comics to pay 10% down on my house and enough to put 25% on a car. Also have done the same for a vacation.
Love your videos, so much information thanks gem!!
Great info on the two. I knew Beckett was affiliated with cbcs buy didn't know they would authenticate. Makes me want to send in my MJ singed SI mag.
Keep the good work! I have returned and the whole grading thing was confusing. However I did decide to stick with CGC for all the reason you stated.
Nice and informative! Great job Gem!
Thanks for your knowledge I'm all for anything rare that most people don't have or can't get.
I was wondering what the difference was between CGC and CBCS. Thanks for the info. Knowledge! Thanks bruh
Grader notes are something that CGC needs to offer for free. I've gotten some questionable grades and I would like to know how they were determined but to have to pay to see those notes to me is just a money grab. They take notes on every book regardless so it's not like they are taking extra time or effort to justify the additional cost. CBCS offers them for free but I agree CGC is the more desirable slab to have so I haven't used CBCS.
@ryanm573
4 жыл бұрын
Eric Sartin Yes! CBCS has a QR code to scan that takes you directly to those notes on the issue, which as a collector, I love that since I can’t see the book in the slab.
@davem1450
3 жыл бұрын
At least it used to be, but anyone who used CGC for grading has free access to the grader's notes of the books they submitted.
Great info just what I need for my travels into the CGC zone!! Now I know the difference..
Very helpful. Always been a collector , but more hoarding for myself. Now wanting to change collection Into keys and slabs
Thinking about dipping my toe into selling. Thanks for these vids bro
Thanks for the info. Bringing tremendous value to the masses.
Damn I didn't know you had comic book class.👍👍👍Thanks for the Info now i understand why cgc is the standard amongst collectors.Glad I saw this video now before I started my collection with graded comics.
I like CBCS because they show up at smaller conventions. We have 1 major con a year close to me where both show up but the 3 or 4 smaller cons often CBCS will be there so I can get signature series or just hand off books to save on shipping!!. Oh I'm in Canada so it's also nice to go through CBCS and avoid hassles with the border - they take care of all that for you. I don't sell my books so for my personal collection I don't really care which one...as you say as long as it's not PGX it's good!!
Very nice! Been waiting on this one.
Very informative Gem! Great vid!
Only issue I have with CGC is newton rings. I know it doesn't affect the books value, but it looks like garbage.
@TheBurnout101
4 жыл бұрын
Casey Anderson yea same I just got my batman beyond graded and it came back with it on it 😒😒
@collegekids15
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBurnout101 that's the worst man. I have so many comics I've received as of late and every one of them had the rings. I'm just not submitting anything until they fix their product.
@falconovic688
4 жыл бұрын
i have to admit the newton rings do seem to be an issue, just got my first set back and almost all of them have newton rings in them.
@shadjester1935
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, same here, i have 16 cgcs and all of them have newton rings.
@CoachDale_TopNotchMuayThai
4 жыл бұрын
@@shadjester1935 All 16 ?!?!? Damn :(
I need Signature Verifications! I have tons of books signed in the early 90s before CGC came out. Fuck that witness shit. CBCS has that PSA/Beckett sig verify. Love that option.
finally started reading my single issues of Justice League Dark the current series. definitely worth checking out imo. hope you review it soon
Very informative. Thank you.
Sik vid Gem!! Buy the book not the grading company. I do prefer the feel of CGC cases but won't pass up a good deal in a CBCS😊😊🦇🕷
I would love to hear more about the pressing process! Never really dug into it.
Great info Gem. I never cared for graded books, mainly because I wasn't interested in reselling. The only one I own is a 9.8 mcfarlane's spiderman #1 silver variant. I'll have to bite the bullet and perhaps get a few of my older books graded to sell and fund the hobby.
Thanks, Great info. Gem Mint.
Hurricane season my books go to CBCS since it's located in the middle of Texas which means no further delays due to a Tropical storm/Hurricane, I live in Texas sometimes it's more economical to make the drive to drop-off/pick up my books than to ship to FL (which also gives me peace of mind).
That shirt tho ... make em say uuhhhhh na na na na good shit as always bub
CBCS just doesn't want to do a census until they are comfortable with the size of their census. They are worried about inflating prices for some books they have low census numbers for compared to CGC or something, you know people confused not knowing about cgc and thinking that CBCS census is that exists. They do keep a record of what they've graded, from what I remember... don't quote me, but pretty sure cbcs plans to release a census at some point. Also, word is... you buy the silver and golden age pgx books at 6.0 or so, then crack it, press it and you can get a cgc 7.5 or 8.0 even... people are doing that at the moment I hear. Low grades are more an art compared to high grades is the word I hear about grades. But, I buy CBCS graded comics fairly frequently, given the lower price... high grades are high grades... census will be made public at some point, doesn't look like cbcs is going anywhere, imo
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
that makes sense
Helpful! Thanks.
INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU.
Subbed! Good show man!
Great video! This is a question I’ve always asked is how reputable CBCS. Always a great show on this channel! #mintyfresh
This was a great video thank you
Good Info...legitimately never knew the difference.
Very informative video, thank you sir. I have some comics I was looking to get graded, nothing fancy or cool. More want to do it as a hobby
I use both cgc and cbcs but something that I've noticed is that I really feel like cbcs has a much clearer and crisper case if you ever put them side-by-side it just seems like there's a slight fog to the cgc cases compared to the CBCs slabs really I guess that's my only complaint with cgc
Not bought any slabs as yet but would only buy cgc purely from watching ur channel 👍🏻💎 great info especially for a newer collector like me
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
i would strongly recommend that...you will see people making comments that they prefer CBCS...they are 100% not selling books
Great video appreciate the info. Now if there’s a PhD book you’ve been trying to give away but can’t I’ll take it lol! Have a great weekend
That No limit tee is fits.. shout out from the 504 7th ward! I still bump Unpredictable to this day!
Well done 👍 couldn’t have said it any better myself 🙏
Thanks for the info!
Once again, saving this vid in my 'Watch Later' folder to reference later when I'm ready to begin the workflow as you described with all my bagged books from years ago. Will be moving back to my hometown soon so don't have the time to begin cherry-picking the key issues yet but when I do I might, as you suggested, to go thru Mike first for pressing before CGC. I know I have Hulk 181 (pretty sure 180 too) in, what I guesstimate to be, in between 8.9-9.2. All my books are pretty clean. I always had concerns with CGC to take a big chunk of the profit though. Don't they take flat fees as well as percentages of possible ROI based on each book? Thanks again, Gem, for sharing your experienced knowledge! You should have been an investor on wall street!!
A breakdown between CGC, CBCS, PGX by the great one? Hell, yeah!👍🏽
love the shirt mane. great video also.
I really wanted to get a book graded. Thanks for the info.
This is what I recommend. CGC for comics that may be more valuable or that you might want to possibly resell in the future, and CBCS for books that might just be for a personal collection with no intent to resell. I recently found a CBCS Batman New 52 #6 1:25 variant (1st Court of Owls) in a 9.8 yellow grade witnessed signatures by Snyder and Capullo and I got a heck of a deal on it because it wasn't CGC. According to the census, there's maybe 20 or less of these in the entire world signed in a 9.8. As a serious fan of this writer/illustrator I was super happy to get a good deal on it, even if it may not have as powerful a reselling ability in the future without a CGC slab because I have no intentions of reselling it. If it's not CGC or CBCS then I don't even mess with it PGX and other companies aren't even worth bothering with.
Thank you! David from Toronto
I'm new to the hobby, just got into comic books (both reading and collecting) during the unfortunate quarantine due to Covid-19 in Feb/March of 2020 but I feel that CGC has put me at rest as a young and new collector to the hobby. I like knowing that I can put my trust (and money!) into a comic and know that what I'm getting is legitimate and that I'm not getting scammed. Having the census data and sales history on sites like GoCollect allow me to not get overcharged. I recently paid $140.00 for my very first ever slabbed comic. I went with Black Hammer #1 (2015/2016) first-print which was the 1st appearance of all 6 major characters on the cover, and it's now been optioned for TV/Movie. I overpayed by maybe $20 but that was my choice because I personally love the series and the characters and wanted to own their 1st appearances. It's CGC graded 9.8 and I'm super happy with it, and I know that it is what it claims it is because CGC is just the gold standard. CBCS is cool too but I'd definitely lean towards CGC in 99% of situations unless maybe you know 100% you're not going to resell a book and you want to find it a bit cheaper for your personal collection.
Hey do a video about the types of boards and bags that you use and your thoughts about the different brands.
Very well presented.
Great vid as always
It's great that you don't mind gearing a video to newcomers. When I first started collecting omnis a couple of years ago, I joined the Omni Bros Facebook page and I saw all these acronyms that people were using. But when I asked "What's IST? What's LCS?" I was accused of trolling! The guy in charge ("Riley the 'mo?") eventually kicked me out and banned me after I reported some harassment by some of his bro buddies like Mathieu Douche...can't recall the exact names. Close enough.
Perfect video for deciding. I've got sigs, so it is CBCS.
Many people new to comics had no idea about CGC or CBCS. A Wizard magazine issue in the 90's, stated if you didn't have a certification of authenticity, then the next best thing was to have the artist date their own signature. Obvious why it was the case, since CGC did not exist prior to the year 2000. CBCS at least can be used to verify the signature. It isn't like people who already had their comic books signed before year 2000, are going to attempt to have the same comics signed again by the artist if they are still alive.
helpful thanks for the video
Great info Gem. I been thinking of getting some of my books graded. Just don't know how to go about it. Stay Minty Fresh brother. 👍
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
just send them to herorestoration.net for Mike to press. he'll submit to CGC and CGC will mail back to you
@vicbruno3318
4 жыл бұрын
@@GemMintCollectibles Thanks bro. I appreciate the info on where to start. 👍
Gem comin in with that KNOWLEDGE lolzzz
I bought a PGX slabbed book for $18 a few months back. Just to have the book itself. After getting it home and looking it over I noticed, A piece of hair and a tiny piece of what looked to be white foam inside the slab. Both right on the cover. I don’t know much about grading or slabs but I’m pretty sure CGC or CBCS would never let that slide.
Great video man
I like CBCS better for the grade notes, signature authentication, and more notes on the book on the label
Another great informative video man. I'd love to see more about the process of grading and pressing too. Thanks!
Thank you, very informative for someone new to graded comics. Gem Mint, do you have any "gem mint" 10 graded books, if so of what?
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
man i never owned one
Good vid.. I agree with it all and couldn't have said it much better. Where are you located?
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
in el paso tx right now
Great Video Gem
Great video thanks 👍
@GemMintCollectibles
11 ай бұрын
It’s an older video. Hope the info still stands up
@thousandaireradio3199
11 ай бұрын
@@GemMintCollectibles seems good to me but what do I know ?😁👍
I know PGX has poor reviews from years ago, however most current reviews seem to be positive. So I sent in 10 issues of ultimate Fallout #4. All 10 were just beautiful, with no spine ticks no color breaks no rolls. I special order them to not be in capsulized unless they were at least a 9.6. Now PGX had a perfect opportunity to charge my credit card with a pretty hefty grading bill, however they sent nine of them back ungraded and only grated one of them add a 9.6. I was blown away, because these books look so clean and excellent. I had no intentions of comparing companies, however I now am considering to send 4 them to cbcs and 5 of them to cgc with no minimum requirements and see what they get graded.
@lemonmouse77s58
2 жыл бұрын
How’d that go if you ever did it?
@Anthony3399
2 жыл бұрын
All my graded comic books are from PGX and I have never had a problem. But that's just me.
I have a question as someone who is returning to comics after a long hiatus. I familiar with grading because of collecting sports cards. Can you buy a book from a lesser grading service, and then send it to CFC to get regraded by them? Is that worth it or something people do?
Hi, thanks for this video. Just one question, are you able to regrade a cbcs book with cgc if so how does it affect the signature
Very interesting!!
I sent a Giant Size X-Men to CGC about 15 years ago. Still waiting for its return. The only story I ever got was from a mid level manager who said "We did have some books come up missing when xxx quit." Its OK though. They did pay me about 25% of the actual value after they refused to replace the book with a 9.8 because they were "pretty sure" my book was only a 9.6. I'm still waiting for some type of evidence but hey the experts have spoken. Their motto should be CGC We always grade em before we take em.
@pwilson2345
2 жыл бұрын
That's sucks
@piggy310
Жыл бұрын
You're waiting for the route to return but they've already pays you what it's worth. Your story is weird.
FUCKING Salute for the No Limit shirt!!!!
man i sent my comics off in august and they were received on the 20th, still haven't got them back. called them up, they said it was going to take 12 to 14 weeks!!! in otherwords, i'll see them next year sometime! when i sent them in it was like a 5 week turn around time. lol
Need some advice, I had two books (connecting covers) that is signed by Stan Lee with CGC witness, because he signed it across the two covers, CGC refused to accept it although there was a witness. So should I ask CBCS will they authdicate it? Or go for a green label? Its the Campbell Amazing Spiderman 700 and Superior Spiderman 1.
I just read the article in the Overstreet 50th Anniversary Price Guide on CBCS, and Steve himself said they do use a census.
@GemMintCollectibles
3 жыл бұрын
Yea, it’s new
Appreciate it
Until CGC adds an office in Canada, I'll stick with CBCS. They also are more familiar with foreign books, and offer unverified signature grading.
I would say another key difference between CGC and others are the new character labels such as Spider-Man, Avengers, Hulk, etc that CGC just started offering too!
That’s funny I have sold Pgx and Cbcs comics and they have made solid prices Cgc is the market leader but there are tons of people who buy graded comics
I have a question is there anyway to remove ink pen ink from the front covers of comics
Hey. I’m a new subscriber. Can you do a vid on signed books? I love meeting creators at cons and getting my key books signed, but I never get them graded. Does an unverified signature add value to a book or lower the value due to the cover being marked?
@GemMintCollectibles
4 жыл бұрын
unverified would be much less desirable as a graded book...would be worth less than if no sig. Unless we're talking CBCS red label with someone who's signature is rare...like Jack Kirby