I'm new to digital photography and I wanted to understand the difference between Catalogs and Sessions. This video was perfect for me because you also talk about some of the technical details and how your workflow maps (or doesn't map) to these features. Thanks for doing this!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I am trying to do something different with the channel, since I had a lot of those same issues with capture one and no one had covered them. Cheers!

For me this was a very good pointer to deciding which way to go: Sessions. Until now I thought the C1 method was to have Catalogs, and then Sessions inside a catalog, or vice versa. i.e. I didn't know at all. I just paid last month to transit from Express to have the full and only complete Capture One. Yesterday I watched a lengthy tutorial from Capture One and had my eyes opened. Your tutorial reinforced my attraction to using a Session for each project. That's the way I've been organizing my hard drives for 25 years: Client / Year / Event and in every Event: Video, Stills, with something like your folder breakdown. I pick and choose what I backup too.

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this video, you've made something very clear that was quite fuzzy to me, much appreciated.....!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Best video EVER! I'm so thankful I watched this, as I am literally in the process of re-vamping my flow and choosing between sessions and catalogs. This helped me setup a system moving forward, and even gave me the framework of how to setup a reliable and quick back-up rig. Thank you!!

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad you found it helpful!

Catalog was such a pain in the butt, glad somebody finally helped to explain this.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

yea, I sure fought with it for months and finally figured out that coming from Lightroom didn't automatically mean a catalog was the correct choice.

I have been using Capture one since version 7. This is the best Video I ever seen about session vs. Catalog. I have been switching to and fro between catalog and session but now I am completly sold to Session. I like the way yo explain how you use the capture select and output folder. It make sense to me and my workflow too. Thank you for shearing this. Looking forward to see how you back up your system.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! You should check out a more recent video where I talk about how the session folders store info as well. Lots of good stuff in that one as well.

This is exactly what I needed, thank you.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

happy to help!

Hey Scott! Thanks for this video. I been having a transition problem ever since i switched to capture 1 over a year now and this makes so much more sense. I been stuck in the catalog mindset and it’s been a headache keeping it together.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Very welcome and thanks for taking time to drop in a comment! Let me know if you get stuck in other areas of Capture One and I will try and help.

I just started looking at C1 and your epiphanies about unused RAW files were the same ones I had and the pre-crreated folder structure that C1 creates was something I was doing in LR. I currently use session-based LR catalogs so the C1 sessions will totally work for me. Thank you for explaining some of the more advanced settings because I still want to manage folders and files and your walk-through was very helpful.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad! It seems that many fight with it and learning why it is like this was like the clouds parting. Cheers!

I've spent a week deciding on Catalogue vs Session. I chose catalogue, but now I'm sold for the Session. Thanks for sharing

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I did the same thing! I tried so hard to make the catalog work, but in the end the session just seems to be ideal.

A clear explanation of the key differences between Catalogs and Sessions. I am a Lightroom user transitioning to Capture One. I used to manage my folders for Lightroom much like sessions in Capture One, so happy to use the functionality the latter provides at the outset to do just that. I can do without virtual folder and image management.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of people do that! I just was talking to a friend this past weekend that is also moving to C1, and he had folders in a similar manner.

Thank you for the clear and straightforward explanation of the relative advantages for both catalogs and sessions, you have erased all doubts about which one is appropriate for me. Subscribed, and looking forward to more CO tutorials from you!

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome! Glad you found them helpful!

Thank you so much for this clear overview. Migrating from LR now I know that sessions are THE way to go - so much better than catalogs! Subscribed :-)

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@woodworkerroyer8497

3 жыл бұрын

I HATED Lightroom! $150 before it went to a subscription and I STILL had to go into another program for panorama or HDR stuff. And the catalog thing REALLY is the worst idea they had. "You have 100k photos? Lag." "You have 2000 photos to import? That will take at LEAST 4 hours." "You MOVED A FOLDER OUTSIDE OF ME!? i DoN't KnOw WhErE iT iS." I lost some really great shots because of having different hard drives and the catalog not understanding where the file might have gone to.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Well, let me know if there are things you would like to see covered in this channel. I am glad you found me and I hope to be helpful. Cheers!

I'm glad I found your video. I'm new to editing raw files. I've never used Lightroom. Other online sources explain things believing we are all Lightroom proficient. You made understanding the difference between catalogs and sessions sooo much easier then reading the Capture One manual. Sessions seems to work like Windows folders and sub folders, something I can wrap my head around. Thank you, I might just be ready to step up from the trial version.

Holy cow!!!!! I feel so enlightened....lol....I Just purchased Capture One yesterday to move from Lightroom. I am so jazzed about this. I had no clue about what to do with all my imports...I am sold on Sessions or I think I would find myself going down a very detailed rabbit whole and wasting a lot of useful production time. Thank you so much for all your info, very much appreciated. No I am off to see what other videos you have...lol...oh yes...I am now subscribed to your channel....:)

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

great to hear! I do think a lot of people get trapped into that catalog mess when it really isn't a fit for them. Welcome to the channel!

@woodworkerroyer8497

3 жыл бұрын

Me too! I just got it yesterday, but I'm moving from the Exposure/Affinity Photo set to Capture one pro. I LOVE Exposure since they let me just use the folders I already have organized. I'm just moving to get away from two separate programs and to get a few more features.

Thanks Scott for this tutorial. I was a lightroom user until yesterday. Then i installed the free capture one version and watched your video first. Thanks for this very important information about the differences between the session and the catalog.

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully you went with sessions. So much better in the long run! 🥂

Thanks Scott, you saved my day and reassured me sticking to sessions - never digged this catalogue thing anyway.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Yea, I think they added it to make people feel good about moving from Lightroom, but it really isn't superior.

@jimbailey1122

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler 10 years on Aperture. And now I am faced with this. Like LR, one gets used to catalogs in A.. But in my short time on C1P I found Catalogs very confusing. I am a nature photographer specializing in Birds, but I am trying to figure out a way to incorporate Sessions in what I do. Your video did well in explaining that key issue of scalability in backing up. There is a steep learning curve to CiP but only in this aspect. The rest of it is pretty similar to Aperture. Thanks for the bit of clarity here.

This is the video I have been looking for to differentiate between Catalogs and Sessions. And I do agree with Scott that sessions is better for those who maintain their backups on local medias rather than on clouds, as well as easy tidying up of those unwanted files.👍 Thank You!

I just bought Capture One (and did not use lightroom before), so I was very confused by the catalog function and was actually looking for an introduction to it. So I found your video and imidiately thought, sessions are what I really wanted. Thx!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I am happy you didn't have to have to unlearn things to move to C1. Welcome aboard!

Thanks Scott! You totally sold me on Sessions. Yes in Lightroom, down the road I can filter to my 'rejected' photos and right-click Remove From Disk... but that's tedious. I like how you can easily delete the 'Trash' file folder and eventually the 'Capture' folder. And it just simplifies the overall process without having to re-open every catalog.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, when it gets close to filling the drive it sure is nice to be able to dump those images you know you have not used in years.

@kjltube

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler Sorry but I don't see what is so difficult in accessing recent folders in my catalogue and deleting the images that don't have a rating from within Lightroom or Capture one. Just like you this is usually about 70% of the images and is just good housekeeping to check in on this once in a while or maybe when you fear your hard drive is reaching capacity. As you said, you still need to check "capture" folder before you delete the files in it in case you missed any good ones, so I don't really see the speed benefit.

Excellent video! Thanks for the simple explanation, I'm starting with C1and it really helped! I'm going with session!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Session makes so much sense for most people. Welcome aboard and thanks for leaving the great comment!

Just started a free trial for Capture One and this is golden information! This made a very confusing workspace make sense and allowed me to know why the catalog wasn't doing what i thought it should and that a session can give me what I wamted!

@sedetweiler

Жыл бұрын

I am super happy that this was useful for you!

Fantastic explanation Scott. Thanks !!!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

glad it was helpful!

Good comparison of the differences between Catalogs and Sessions. However, this was based on your workflow, which entailed using C1 to import your Raw files. Most miss this point. Not everyone wants to let some editing program control where Raw files are stored.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Fantastic comparison, thanks Scott!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Thank you so much for this wonderful gift, the only thing I’m not caching up is your color tag plan, after watching this video I’ve decided to start from taking all my images out catalogs and export them in to folders but haven’t get it clear if it’s useful to have sessions for each project \ month plus a master session for each year. Advices are welcome 🙏

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I do a session for each project and when I archive them I create a catalog and import the sessions. That way, the catalog is an easy to view all of them at once. However, i consider this a read only construct for reference only since my archive is off-site.

This was really helpful. I'm relatively new to C1 and have been using sessions for the same reason.

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you very much, very helpful tutorial!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

glad to hear that!

This video was crazy helpful, thank you

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

A very accessible video. Much appreciated.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

You made me change my workflow. Thanks!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Thanks Scott this was really helpful and I am now sold on sessions.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

They sure do make life a lot easier!

Great video! I'm currently working on my own method of organizing my work and how to back it up and this gave me a few pointers, so thank you :-) !

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

I use session as well, mainly because most of my picture taking are related to vacation or a family event, trip etc. So I start a session for every "venue" "city" or National park etc. That way I can do the whole editing etc and clean up the extra files. I go thru and just do my selects and deletes the bad. When I am done with that process. I just copy all the select into a separate folder, and all the selects of raw goes onto Amazon photo. Do my thing and export the best as jpegs, so it is smaller for google photo, and the MacOS Photos so it can live on the hard drive and easier to share with friends and family and it does the auto memories and moments.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great system! I have something similar I do for our family outings but I just do them by date and it all works out as my wife likes to scrapbook them. :-)

Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!!!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

Great video Scott! Hope you are doing well!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend! I hope you are doing well! I know this has got to be a weird time for weddings, but I am sure you have pivoted a bit to adapt. Keep up the amazing work and stay safe!

Outstanding presentation.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

very informative video, quick Q though - how do i go about creating session for my old images stored on my NAS and start editing them without creating redundant copies of he raw files on my computer's local storage?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

In file explorer, you can use the Capture One > Set as Capture Folder on any folder in your hard drive. So, you can really work on them where they reside and not have to worry about it making copies. I could create a new session for each of the projects you have and use this method. For new projects, I would just let C1 create the structure for you going forward.

This is gold! Thank you!!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Nice comparison, not boring at all. Just moving into C1from another tool, so it's more important for me to understand the fundamental differences between catalog & sessions, than to learn the mechanics.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I can't see going back to a catalog for the majority of my work. For an archive perhaps, but that is about it.

This is the BEST explanation I have seen. I just got Capture one, and am looking into how best to organize stuff, and this has helped a bunch! One question, I used Alienskin Exposure x4 and it lets me see and browse the folders themselves on my hard drive. Is that the same with sessions? It sounded like you said it was "LIKE..." using folders, but not that it actually DOES use them.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Yes, you can click on any folder in the file browser list and view the contents exactly like Bridge or Exposure. I use that feature quite often, as you can also then right-click and add that folder to Favorites so you can quickly reference other sessions or random folders from inside of Capture One.

Great videos, i've just discovered your Capture One playlist and i'm binge watching all your videos since i wanna learn C1. I understand you use a different app now for your photo editing, right ?

@sedetweiler

Жыл бұрын

Capture one is a raw processor. Photoshop is an editor. Both can do a bit of both, but better results are from combining both tools.

This is very helpful, thanks!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

really informative and so helpful.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for the video, it was really informative. I am trying to figure out how to best use capture one. My issue is that I mainly shoot film so I organise by format then by roll currently in LR. I need C1 for digital studio work where sessions work much better but I want to move away from LR completely. Is it possible to work in both? I know you can import a session to a catalog but would I be able to keep my film and digital work seperate in a catalog and sessions?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

The metadata can be read by either, so you can indeed work in both for many things, but not retouching details.

This seems very smart, I have problems with the scale of my lr cat, I will try this in Capture One, but I wonder what you think about modernizing / reedit raw files with new tech / softwre at later date? Say for landscapes etc?

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I think you might find that C1's RAW converter is pretty amazing vs Lightroom. I think you might want to consider it for a few images and see what you think.

(Sorry hit wrong key and it was sent before finishing my point.) there are those who prefer to let their PC software eg Explorer take the images from the camera into folder they have prepared on their hard drive. There is a feature in C1 Importing, where instead of C1 importing the Raw file, it only references the Raw file (called Current Location). Advantage is only small reference files are saved to the Catalog (similar to other software like Exposure X5 etc.). The other type of Catalog in C1 is called an Inside Catalog, and for that when you import a Raw file C1 actually copies that Raw file, so you double the space on your hard drive. The disadvantage of Sessions is that it does have to import the Raw file. It cannot reference it like a Catalog can. Sessions might be OK for a new photographer without any existing images, where they can just use C1 to take images from their camera, as in your eg of Sessions. However, for those who have thousands of existing images, importing those images to a current Location Catalog is the way to go.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do agree that a catalog of past work would be easiest. I think the goal of the video was more to discuss their function so people understand that a catalog isn't their only option. I know a lot of Lightroom users assume a catalog is what they need because that is what they had before. Moreover, I also know a lot of Lightroom users that create a catalog for each job. I just wanted to start the dialog of which might be better so they know the difference. Cheers, and thank you for the comment. I do plan on a catalog video soon, as I have been favoring the session mentality.

Scott, very well done side by side comparison. Definitely helped my decision to give sessions a serious try. The problem I had with catalogs was the culling before editing. Am trying fast Raw Viewer, but I think the workflow with sessions will be more efficient. And not speaking to fast IMO. The closer to NYC, the faster the speaking

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I sure tried to make Catalogs work, but in the end I just can't see a benefit. Especially when it comes to backing up files.

Was just trying to figure out why I would use catalogs. Was sold on Sessions the moment you said it's essentially hard drive browsing and file management... tell me where it is and keep each project's related operations together. Thanks for this.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment as well! Cheers!

A great insight into the two methods, thank you. Could you please tell me have you a link on how you back up please?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I do not have a video on the backup done yet, but it is coming soon! I want to make it easy to understand .

Thank you I am just coming over from LR/PS and I am enjoying Capture one

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Very clear. Thanks

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I may be even more confused now, even with the fairly clear explanation. I just started using capture one and came from LR. In LR all my photos were just organized by year and date unless I changed. All photos just went into a folder where I put them, but this seems like they move around into different folders depending on if you rate them with stars. So if I do a new session tomorrow of 2 kids, and I rate them, do those original files move into a different folder?

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

If you use sessions, just put all of the sessions in a folder and name them by date and subject and all will be good. It will move photos you select to the "selects" folder, which is really nice since those are the best ones and easier to back up this way.

Hi Scott great video nicely explained, one question, can you let me know your colour tagging and star rating system. iv been using C'One using only Sessions, for many years and my system is :- Green{for go/use} for selected images to be reworked. and Red{for stop do not use} for images with the lowest value or may not be required, I shoot commercial products, which are built up of layers of many different lighting setups, in effect light painting to create one image. I normally trash as I go so all the images in the capture folder are usable if required in the comp, so in effect my capture folder is my select folder. I then star rate them 5 being the most probable master image and lower for the lesser rated lighting setups. bearing in mind some of the images can have 5-20 light layers, they are then processed out as tiff for comping in Photoshop. Have you any tips for the use of the other 6 colour tags. I didn't quite catch the your red blue and purple rating system. I look forward to hearing from you, many thanks Tony.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I also shoot product, so I know exactly what you are saying. I think what you are using now for the master is a good idea. As for the support files, I think putting them all into the select folder is a good idea. You might also look into Composition mode, which means the next image shot will overwrite the last one. I do this quite often when testing refection cards, etc. When you disable Composition mode, it will save the image. This saves me a lot of junk images and allows me to keep just the best possible shots for later use in the master.

C1 is so tricky, if you open a raw by using drop menu [open with] (C1) then the C1 opens empty, or opens with whole library of pictures. very confusing!

Question: I'm currently in the process of moving over to CP1 from LR. In LR, when I make my adjustments, I can choose to write those adjustments to an xmp file and they get stored with my RAW files folder. How does that work in CP1? When I make adjustments to the files, what happens to those adjustments if I copy them over to my laptop or from my laptop to my desktop? I know the RAW files don't get touched, so where are those adjustments kept?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

you have the same two options in the preferences of C1. I prefer the sidecar file, but in any case, the RAW data is always considered read-only.

Thank you SOO much!! This was definitely not boring, but very helpful! I'm on the edge for moving from lightroom to C1, but wasn't sure how C1 catalogs and session vs'd lightroom catalogs. But this has helped immensely! Quick question: what is a good, cheap RAID or NAS to keep my files stored on? I see there are a lot of expensive ones, but my budget is limited and always appreciate a good bang for buck! Also, is there a follow-up video to this discussing how to cull and move over from lightroom?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

For a RAID I think I would go with the Synology (amzn.to/2TYqypb) over the Drobo. You can make it less expensive with smaller drives and add larger and more expensive ones over time. I do not have a follow-up video on moving from lightroom, but I can ponder making one.

Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot! With sessions, I just didn't understand how the selects are the photos to show the client, and the output is the ones they purchased. If you output all the selects to show the client, how is it just the ones they purchased? Could you please explain that to me please? I am trying to get started with CO for the first time. Thank you!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I show the clients only the selects and from that they will make purchases. So, if they purchase it I will retouch it so there will ultimately be either a Photoshop document in Output, or I will pickup and move the select file to Output. At the end of a year, really the Output folder is all I care about.

@hazardstorms226

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweilerGreat! Thank you for your response...got it! I will definitely use this system!

Scott, with sessions, you do a separate session for each shoot, right? My one problem I foresee is that I often want to show someone considering a location images from multiple shoots at that location. Which seems hard to do with a session based system. One blogger suggested using sessions for each project, and then when the project was fine, adding the selects or output folder to a catalog “in place”. So the catalog just serves as a way to look across multiple sessions. Thoughts?

@sedetweiler

5 жыл бұрын

I still use a session per shoot, but I move the session folders onto a parent directory. Then depending on what I need I just make a favorite folder to point to the others as needed. I can also designate one output folder that can be used by all sessions if I would like.

I shoot for HS yearbooks. I save all my assignments in Windows Folders with the schools name, date shot and the event that was covered that day. I need to leave those folders as is. I want to open the individual assignment's folder, crop, edit and also delete images I dont want. What would be the BEST way for me to do this? Thanks!

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

This should be a pretty easy transition to sessions since you are doing sessions now, but with different folder names.

Hi Scott, I think a lot of C1 users will benefit greatly from a video on Catalogs. I recommend emphasizing the two ways in which C1 stores imports into catalogs. C1 just glosses over this point, which is so important to newcomers to C1. Also their tech support is not that good. They don't have Chat, and are not allowed to phone and talk to customers who have issues.they tely on emails, but seem not to be able to understand statements. I really like how C1 edits images. However, its too bad they didn't go the direction of Exposure (formally Alien Skin) where you can just look into any folder on your hard drive, and all Exposure does is make small side files to capture the edits. The main reason I responded to your video was when I recently moved to C1, I didn't really understand how C1 handled catalogs. It crashed a few times, Catalogs data bases got corrupted, and when I deleted some catalogs it also deleted the Raw files from my hard drive, and they could not be recovered. I also lost many of my FUJI JPGs in this experience. C1 was of little help, many answers just recommended looking at their many videos on subjects. They do have a lot of mayerial including a very latge User Manual, but the information is in lots of little bits which aren't tied together well from a User point of view. I understand your reason for the points you made for using Sessions, and probably for your use of the application works well for your newer projects etc. A lot of users (like me) just start using new software expecting to be able to figure out from an intuitive perspective. Unfortunately not all software is made to be intuitive for users. Eg Photoshop. Present C1 users may find out the hard way whenever the database crashes, that they will have lost their precious Raw files (if they weren't previously backed up.) I thinlk your new video focussing on C1 Catalogs would be very beneficial to C1 users, and look forward to seeing it. Sent from my iPad, Regards Lawrence

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Good point, and I will get one made. I do plan on covering both of the Catalog file methods for sure, since I use them for tracking archives, and both methods have their use. I often lack ideas on what I should cover next in Capture One, so your comment is quite helpful. Cheers, and thanks again for the great comments!

I use a catalog mostly because I can search across multiple shoots. For example, if I go and shoot eagles a couple of times a year after a few years I may have 10 sessions of eagles. I suppose I can try and open a session then 'favorite' other eagle folders into that session but if I open a different eagle session that link isn't there. If I'm looking for a specific eagle photo but I don't remember which session it was in how would I find it easily? In a catalog, I can create a smart album that will consolidate all photos tagged 'eagle' into one spot and I can look through them all at once. I don't think I can do that with a session can I?

@sedetweiler

4 ай бұрын

I think birds and other types of single area of interest shoots are actually the only good catalog example. I think you are right here and using a catalog makes a lot of sense.

great video, thanks!

@sedetweiler

Жыл бұрын

You are quite welcome!

Just got Capture One 12 and would like to transfer my photos and albums from Apple Photos. Between Catalogs and Sessions, which would you recommend for the initial transfer which would basically be storage like photos? Also for future imports of vacations, or individual shoots which would you suggest that be similar to Photos? Thanks. Great video!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

It really depends. I prefer sessions because I shoot things that are unique. A catalog (using the import in place option) would be fine for the past work. I would not let capture one move them into the catalog proper, as that would take a while and not be helpful. I would target sessions going forward and you can always import sessions into a catalog when you archive them. A catalog video is coming soon!

@paulsnider174

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Hi, quick question im new at Capture One. When you open the application, you select lets say Session "Y" to start with, but can you then within that open session go to System folder and look and edit other sessions you already had created like "Z", "X," "W", etc even though you originally did open a different session? Do they all get saved when editing through System Folder or do I need to re open capture one for each Session?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I would edit them in the session in which you created them. However, it should work as you describe as Capture One saves your changes inside the session folder that contains the image. Check out the last C1 video I posted on Session Folders, as I break that down in there and it might answer your question better.

@EzeRazor

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler thanks a lot!!! I will check and subs!

Hi Scott. Does it make a difference if I use Photo Mechanic? In Photo Mechanic, I Cull, rate, and color tag... In Lightroom, I drag selected images from PM and add to a collection (every wedding, event, portrait session is a collection and I have just one master catalog). PM helps me manage original files and I can always filter unselected images and delete from my hard drive. When I pull images into LR from PM I create smart previews. In this scenario, will you still advice Session over Catalog?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

you could go either way, I think it depends on how you keep your drive. I used to do it by date directory and now I do it by project. Date was fine, but I was always struggling to find things because I knew them by project. For example, I might shoot a highschool senior more than once, and using sessions, I can just add all of the photos into that same session rather then jumping from date to date. C1 should be able to read that PM metadata in either case.

Many many thanks for the job here, Scott !! I spent hours to see ev on KZread to organize myself and this the most interesting tuto i saw ! i switched to C1 a few month ago and my 60k pictures archive catalog is pretty slow and C1 takes 30mn to "read" the files EACH time i open "all files" .. I will keep my archive catalog but, after having seen your video, i ll create year general sessions where i'll importing day sessions when finished !! After one year, i'll import this year catalog in my archive one..So i ll stay organized anyway and wont be obliged to open my archive each time...What do you think ? My real problem is that i have a bunch of albums ( smart too) where i organize my differents collections..How to link my year session to this workflow ? this is my question because my whole work is to create town albums on several years, or christmas albums , or bokeh, portraits etc ..... How to do this when having just sessions ? impossible... Bests regards from Colmar, FR and happy new year :-) JF

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you should assign keywords to help with those smart albums. Since c1 and lr can both read those, you might be able to carry forward some of your structure using keywords to bridge the gap?

Hi Scott. If I keyword photos and want to be able to search MULTIPLE Sessions at the same time with a keyword, can I do that? .... or do I have to use Catalog for that functionality? Thank you Gareth

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

You would use a catalog, as sessions are disconnected islands. However, they all share the same keyword library. Most of the time this is not an issue for me for 2 reasons: 1) My sessions are well named with the subject matter and organized by date. So finding things is pretty easy and I have never had any issues getting what I wanted quickly. 2) If you do take the time to keyword things at a granular level you can always create an archive catalog at the end of the year that would allow you to search across the sessions as you can import sessions in to a catalog. However, I view that catalog as more of an index and don't actually perform work on images in that context. I hope that helps!

Thank you for the great video, I'm moving from LR to C1. I have a few questions if you can clarify, please. I just trying to make sure I understand you right. If I shoot, and import as a session I can then move the session to my backup drive and it will contain all files and adjustment DB (Kind of localized small catalog) the second question is, in session folders, does the system duplicates files between the folders like Capture, select, output, and trash? And the last one what can I do with my existing LR catalog, I would like to work on some old photos, is it possible to impost it into C1 without relocating original RAW images and not duplicating them. Thank you very much for your help

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I might make a video based on your questions, as there is a lot to cover. I did a video a few days ago that talks about the session folders and their structure, which will help you a lot I think and answer most of these. you can keep using lightroom and just tell C1 that the folder with the images it he current capture folder. it will let you set your capture folder anywhere.

@vadimv

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler Thank you very much. I Will look for the video you have mentioned and will wait for a new one.

I am currently a LR user looking at C1 as an alternative - I have 303,000 images in my LR Catalog. The RAW files are split across multiple HDDs and managed via one LR Master Catalog. Because I am a stock photographer and a photography trainer I spend a lot of time searching across the whole 303,000 image catalog for images that I may wish to use. Everything is extensively keyworded and captioned so I can do this. From the video I get the impression that I would not be able to use C1 catalogs because everything is split over multiple drives - is it possible to search across multiple sessions in C1? As a point of reference I did for a while split my LR catalog into 3 smaller LR catalogues for speed but the impact on my work through not being able to search all images was just unworkable. So being able to search across ALL images in my DAM is absolutely essential. How would you recommend setting up C1?

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think C1 would be a good option for this situation. I would probably point you to Photo Supreme for something of this nature.

@donmacqueen

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to be commenting 5 months later! Regarding "From the video I get the impression that I would not be able to use C1 catalogs because everything is split over multiple drives...", that's not the case. I just created a C1 catalog containing photos from folders on two different external hard drives. In fact, you can leave all of your raw files exactly where they are and create a C1 catalog that references them where they are, without moving them, and within which you can use C1's editing tools. However, if you do that I don't think your LR keywords will be available in C1. For that you'd have to try C1's import LR catalog command; maybe it brings in keywords.

this made up my mind I will be using sessions I am new user thank you very much

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! You will never regret it. I can't even consider moving to another DAM now that I see how powerful sessions are, especially when it comes to backing things up.

For me I highly doubt I will pick a side on the sessions vs catalog argument. I can see a lot of your points with sessions and I will be glad to try that more now that I switched from LR. Often times I want to search a photo by keyword and I don't care when it was taken. I don't see photos are necessarily having expiration dates and just because I discarded a photo at the time doesn't mean I won't use it down the line. For an example I may have originally used a photo because it fit well in a long mailer size format but now I want to use it in Instagram so I would be looking for a photo that works better in Instagram's square format. I can't always foresee the uses of a photo when I am taking it.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I tend to let things sit around for a few years before they get to the point where I am starting to purge Capture folders. I do agree, and if I am in doubt I often move that image to the select folder as well. Better safe than sorry!

Hey Scott . . . This is the 4th time I have looked at this video on your channel; I always pick up something new. When you talk about the 4 folders, Capture-Selects-Output-Trash, you mention getting rid of the images in some of the folders after awhile. I am thinking about actually deleting the complete folders like Capture and Trash and maybe either Selects or Output, depending which one is or is not used. Will this folder deletion affect the performance of Capture One in any way?

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

No, and I wouldn't recommend deleting any of them until you have everything you need for sure in output.

I can see that sessions make a lot of sense when you really work by (independent) photography sessions like a wedding photographer but what about, for example, a landscape photographer who does not work by „sessions“ and who may need to search by keywords (e.g. all photos with a lake on it) across his entire body of work?

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, that could work. I still think i would probably do sessions by date and that would keep the thing speedy. You could then import the sessions into a catalog. I do this at the end of the year when I archive them. The catalog is for reference only at that point in case I need to do some weird search.

@jorghahn2903

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Detweiler Thank you Scott! I will give it a try.

@Bassbarbie

2 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler That is a great idea!

Really useful thank you. I use Photo Mechanic Plus, so I'm not really interested in the catalog side of things as I want to manage the organisation from there - am keen to save space too. I use DxO Photolab, but for some things I prefer to use Capture One, and I have been paralysed by how to organise this. It looks like sessions may work better for me.

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I tried both, catalog are getting slow (on Lightroom as well) after time. I thought das a catalog would be the only solution for searching through all my seleted and developed files. Now im using sessions because of nearly all the arguments mentioned here...

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I think it is hard to argue that catalogs are better for most people. They have a use, but mostly for archiving and maybe a few specialized situations. Cheers! Welcome to the channel!

Wow. Super helpful. I have about 40,000 images now stored on two hard drives. Everything is organized into separate folders and labeled by date. How complicated would that be to migrate to C1? Would I now include the session info in each of those folders? The organizing part sounds much more complicated than the actual photo editing part! Thanks for you help!

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

I would just create sessions for new work and you can always browse those folders from any session since it works a lot like Bridge. I have all of my work like that in a folder by date called "Pre C1 Photos", and the rest is in sessions. I do convert the ones I need to refer to often into new sessions, but for the most part, I just look forward and deny my OCD nature on those old ones. :-)

@joeduke8497

2 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler very helpful. Thank you for responding!

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeduke8497 sure! Thanks for leaving a great question! I had to struggle with the same issue, and I am sure we are not alone. Cheers!

Thank you for solidifying my thoughts on not using a catalog and it's ok; I can't find a real reason to use a catalog.

Very nice, thank you

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I've been watching many videos about File Management on C1, and I still don't get it. I archive my renamed photos in subfolders by mmdd+title, then in folders by year (2003 to 2020), and finally in a general PHOTO folder inside an external hard drive, which is synchronized to a second Backup unit. Unselected/unwanted pictures are deleted right away. No photos are kept on my Mac to save space on disc. In PS I open > edit > save as... so I end up with untouched and edited raw files in the same original folder, and copies (tiff, jpeg, png) in subfolders when needed only. I don't need sessions or catalogue folders at all, specially considering that I want to use C1, ON1, NIK and Luminar as well... imagine that I need to manage multiple folders from each program all the time! What do you think? Thanks a lot... Stay safe!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I posted a video a few days ago about Session folder location antics. That might be exactly what you are looking for, as you can alter how Capture One behaves with what folders it uses for selections, output, etc. Stay safe!

@siniestrotrasgo971

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler Thank you sooo much Scott, I appreciate the promptness and your indications. Best!

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

@@siniestrotrasgo971 no problem! let me know how this turns out and what direction you decided to take it.

Again great video thanks Scott. Question if I may. I predominately shoot sport, rugby mostly. I am in a catalogue/session quandary moment, what do I use? I shoot a rugby club, say 15 home games a season, so over 4 seasons I have 60 games. Let's say I have a player who has played those 4 seasons and he retires, let's call him Fred Doe. :) The club want to make a presentation to him of a montage. What is best way to search for images of Fred Doe, with collections or sessions? I keep thinking with sessions I would have to search every individual one but with a catalogue it would be just one search. Again thanks, your videos have been extremely helpful.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I would still do the session thing, but at the end of the season, make a catalog and you can import sessions into it. That way, you can still reference the images, but I consider that catalog read-only, in that I only use it to find and print things. If I had to do actual work, I would go back to the session. I guess sessions are what I love because of the ease of knowing what to backup as well as the overall speed.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, this one might really be your answer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmVoy5KYXae-lLg.html

@simoncarlton6424

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler Many thanks Scott, I'll have a look. :)

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Let me know what you think.

@simoncarlton6424

4 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler Yes and no thanks. The concept is what I am looking for. However, I don't know what I am doing wrong but when I make an album or just now a user collection it doesn't import the individual folders. I did one rugby folder with 4000 images in and I ended up with one folder with 4000 images in. I have just tried a smaller one with the same result. A weekend music festival with 1600 images. In that folder it had Fri, Sat and Sun folders and within them the capture, select, output and trash folders. After import, again just one folder, no hierarchy with 1600 images. confused.com! :) Thanks for your help.

I've used Capture One since 2004, and love many aspects but have never come to terms with the sessions structure, as it went against how I store my photos. I've always used Photomechanic to create a folder structure on my drive so that I have Year as a top folder, then year-month, and then a third folder inside year-month-captureday. These raw files go onto a drive in a jbod array. Then I cull and grade my raw files with Photomechanic and apply structured keywords. those graded with three stars get automatically copied to a second drive under exactly the same file structure, except there is no letter "I" in front of each folder now. All this is done automatically by Photomechanic. At this point I fire up Capture one, and using a session I navigate to this folder of three star selects and edit the files and output the processed files to a third hard drive. It has worked well, but the template in Capture one is awkward in my workflow, as I've been using it so far. Is there a way to create a template that would automatically create the selects on a second drive, once the session is named and the capture folder navigated to, and further to at the same time create the output folder on a third drive automatically? Each time I create a new session, there is a blank template with the option of selecting "other", but I have no idea how to create a new template to conform to my way of working. All of these years I've ignored this, and as time goes along, the way I've approached this becomes somewhat more irritating, so I'm hoping to learn a few new tricks. Changing the fundamental folder structure after so many years is not an option, so I hope I'm missing some fundamental possibilities.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I have played with the template for the folder structure but I don't think they intended it to be that flexible. Let me mess with that a bit and see what crazy things I might be able to do. Cheers and thank you! Stay safe!

Thanks for making this Video. But I have to disagree that sessions are better for making backups mainly because of two Points: First I think the key element here is the fact, that you store a lot of Picture of which you say "the can be deleted" - but you don''t delete them. Or to be more specific: You let the next crash handle that deletion :) If you would delete them because you made the decision "that they can be deleted", then I would delete them. So they co not take any space which is generally better. Second I personally think the raw with all the changes is "Gold", not the exported file. Just because I can go back and see how I did things or solved Problems. My Exports are in a complete different path that is not backed up since all files can be re-exported. The Directory structure is generated by Tokens, which are very Mighty. I really found that Video interesting and your thoughts About the whole Problem. But again, the key remains in my first Point. I delete what I think of as "that can be deleted" so I never have that Problem of files that Need extra handling because they are not worth being backup up because "they can be deleted" :)

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree, but i do a lot of compositing, so images i need to delete don't get handled until the project is done. I often need pieces from otherwise junk images, so i keep them around for a while.

I’m actually finding out that CO is so much more like how I started with bridge and PS. I’ve been using Lr but not liking everything about it.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! In a lot of ways, it is a better Bridge than Bridge. :-)

Catalog or session take more hardisk space please tell me

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty equal. No significant difference that I know of.

@AVEEFILMS

3 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler thank you

It is still a little hard for me to understand how cloud works into Capture One's workflow. I can see how shooting sessions can be valuable, it gives you a chance to pick your favorites before importing into a catalog but it seems like you would then want the option to automatically move over to a Capture One on a different computer. I don't have a huge size issue with my catalog, it isn't several Terabytes at the moment so the problems associated with a massive library don't concern me.

@sedetweiler

5 жыл бұрын

I think you would be fine for a while, but it really depends on how much you shoot. It tooks almost a year to sync to crashplan back when I used them and I was on lightroom. Now it would be much smaller if I only synced my selects and output folders.

@KipVaughan

5 жыл бұрын

Scott Detweiler I never tested out Creative Cloud (stopped at LR6) so I’ll never know how it performed. I know that Apple can push over large 4K videos I shoot with my phone fairly quick so it seems like 10 megapixel photos shouldn’t be that bad. My catalog is about 4000-5000. A lot less then the size you where talking about but enough for LR to give me messages about the size being a problem.

I went for Sessions from the get-go due to the simpler UI. I never liked the typical UI for multiple user-defined virtual folders in any program - it gets cluttered and hard to read. I can see catalogues making sense for people who need keyword searches within a large body of work - multiple projects going back months or years. (You can't search across Sessions in Capture One that I know of.) After having problems with Capture One's keyword feature, I gave up entirely on keywords. I put Sessions into clearly named subdirectories and use star ratings and colors. Maybe when the database version of Photo Mechanic is finally released, that will be a good way to organize a large collection of image files using keywords.

@sedetweiler

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. I totally gave up on the keyword trainwreck right away. I hope it gets some love soon!

@mikearst2940

5 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler The deal-breaker: I'd created keywords for an image within Capture One. Then I decided to try using PM's own keywording tool to add another keyword for that image file. Can't remember why I chose to do it that way. Maybe I just had PM open at the time. Anyway, I added the keyword and then returned to Capture One. The new keyword was gone - Capture One had _removed_ it. I could repeat the result. Frustrating. It seems there's more than one way to write keywords in XMP files*, and Capture One sometimes doesn't like PM's way of doing it. Each company seemed to think the other was at fault. In a keyword list within Capture One, there ought to be a way to shift-select or control/command-select more than one and apply them all at once. There isn't. You do it one at a time. Ok, enough already... * Some cynic once remarked: "The wonderful thing about standards is, you can have as many of 'em as you want."

@sedetweiler

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikearst2940 I agree that c1 has a lot of growing to do with keywords. I realize they killed off Media Pro and are working at adding those abilities to C1, and they need to come faster. It is somewhat of a trainwreck there, and they know it. I have a direct line to the developers and a lot of "quality of life" improvements I gave to them earlier in the year contained several keyword issues.

@mikearst2940

5 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler This workaround did work for multiple keywords at a time: type them (comma-separated) into the "keyword" text field or whatever it's called. But why have to do that if they're _already_ in the previously saved list of keywords? Well, hopefully they'll get around to it one of these days - not to mention full layer support for b&w work. (C'mon, Phase One, get on _that_ task at least.)

@sedetweiler

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikearst2940 my frustration is suppressing from the output, using synonyms, and why they don't export as a hierarchy. Also, adding them is silly as you can't just add one to the list without having to scroll to the blank space at the bottom, add the word, and then going back to find it and click on it to apply it.

Can you rename the color labels so you know what they mean? :) I keep forgetting what I intended.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. There is currently no ability to do that.

sessions all the way! im coming from aperture, and, there was a mess whit one aperture library file (+250 gb) each year...

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the dark side. 🍸🙂

I hope that the capture one team realizes that all the effort that it has done in the organization of photos, has resulted in a great confusion that needs a university course to understand itself. The only thing I need is a tool that allows me to organize photos as I decide it should be done ... not as the software wants me to do! I don't want duplicates of 30,000 photos, nor do I want to have to synchronize with the original files ...! I think that the concept of On1 Photo RAW 2020, is much closer to what is needed.

@sedetweiler

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get duplicates of files in Capture One. What area do you feel does that?

At 8:00 you mention that Lightroom has to back up everything and you can't designate what your selects and rejects are - that is not true. In Lightroom you use the X key to designate shots as rejected. Then, you dump the rejected files from the catalog when you desire via a menu item. My final "keepers" are much like yours - the best shot in a series, and the 1 or 2 that are close. The rest go to the trash.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is one way to do it. But often I like to keep the rest of the captures for a while, but the obvious trash ones get deleted right away. My ones that are the "keepers" get additional backup love vs just the shots I have not thrown away. I can see that working, but I hate deleting anything until I am sure I have all I can get from the session. Cheers!

Thanks.

@sedetweiler

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome

See this is why I always felt using a Managed Catalog in Capture One makes no sense. If you need all the images, the database and such in one portable folder Sessions make much more sense and are easier since the actual flies are organized into a folder structure for you. Especially for culling and backing up having all the actual files just in one folder and only organized with the database tokens is limiting. A Managed Catalog is the worst of both words. But there is something that is even better than a Session IMO. Because you left out one very important thing about catalogs vs sessions. Instead of using a Managed Catalogue as you did in the video you simply use a Referenced Catalog instead which IMO is far, far superior to a Managed Catalog and solves many of the issues you have with them. With a Referenced Catalog all the images are still organized into whatever folder structure you want, wherever you want them. They can be on your NAS while the Catalog file, Cache, and Adjustments folders that go with it are on your blazing fast NVME SSD drive which has performance benefits. You can even move the images freely as long as you keep track and tell C1 where they are again. So you import into a folder named for the the job and use color tags/star ratings to sort, cull and mark the selects you think are good enough to spend the time doing work on. Once you have your selects you can simply use user collections to organize them so they are easy to get too without digging in a folder tree. You can even have a collection for all 5 star images or however you marked the selects from the job ready before you start sorting and have an image automatically put in it as soon as you rate it 5 stars. Call it (Job Name) Selects if you want. Make another one for the Tiffs called Output.. If you dont' want to be keeping or backing up the rest of the files that aren't the finished tiffs or the selects raw files use the filter to show the non selects in the folder for the job. Say selects and their finished tiffs are marked with 5 starts. Simply navigate to the job folder in the catalog, filter to only show untreated images, and delete/move/whatever them all, then go to trash and delete the ones you junked from the disk. Basically by using a Referenced Catalog you can do everything you can do with Sessions and a Managed Catalog. It's the best of both worlds IMO. It combines the ability to work with real folders and an organized folder structure the Sessions have with the very powerful, flexible, and efficient sorting and organizing capabilities of a catalog. Heck if you use a new catalog for every job and put the Catalog file and its folders in the same folder as the images it basically is a Session but way more flexible with the more powerful sorting and organizing you get with the full fledged catalog.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

I will give it a try! normally I create a year-end catalog just for quick reference and perhaps I will try it this way.

There seems to be a misconception, that as in Lightroom, you have to Use catalogues to process and save photos. I have Capture One 12, but am still using LR V.6 to edit my photos. I edit my photos in a round about way, but it works for me. I download photos from my XQD card into a directory on my PC. Then remove the card, so all my images are safe until I format the card in the camera. Once downloaded I go through them quickly using ACDSee, deleting those I don't want to keep. Then I import into LR and edit the remainder. When finished I export them to another directory on my PC. I don't have to go through photos applying ratings. When leaving LR I don't need to "backup", which avoids filling up my drive with duplicate folders I don't need.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

Just copy the images to the Capture folder in C1. Then when you do your culling and rating in ACDSee, C1 will also catch those changes and update the system. C1 isn't like Lightroom in that it really is a directory based system if you are using Sessions. If you did this with a catalog, it would be a pain for sure.

Man, you are speaking MUCH TOO FAST. No fun to listen. Somewhat annoying.

@FlorisvanEck

4 жыл бұрын

Just use the speed controls on KZread.

@sedetweiler

4 жыл бұрын

It's partially caused by my location. We all speak about this speed here. Trying to slow down.

@floydmillar2875

4 жыл бұрын

He is great to listen to as far as a a concerned . I enjoyed the whole presentation

"you don't need the catalog, just hit the road" - no wonder why you get troubles with using catalogs. It's plain wrong and not even 2 minutes of your videos wasted my time, thanks for coming up with mistakes that early, saves a lot of time.

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you are a stock photographer of some sort, a catalog is only going to make your life harder. Stock (birds, cars, etc), is really going to be great for a catalog, but outside of that reason there is literally zero benefit.

@Joamonica

2 жыл бұрын

@@sedetweiler You simply have no idea how a great catalog can make your life easier. Completely off, but if you're happy without, all the better.

@sedetweiler

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joamonica the thing is I did come from the catalog world, but I realized I didn't need a searchable file-pile I never used, when I could just as easily open the session for the client I needed. Catalogs eventually get slow for those of us that do this for a living, which means you will then face the "annual" change or something elseor it will become unusable. C1 only introduced catalogs as an incentive to attract LR users, since C1 is much, much older and really catered to the professional photographer it was there way to bring over LR users with something they knew, but I think C1 did this poorly compared to Adobe. I get that you may love them, but for those of us that shoot hundreds of unrelated clients a year, it makes zero sense to have a file-pile of unrelated images.