RIP Cliff Manley. He came up with a very practical design that has become the standard in today's time frame for making Combustible Paper Cartridges for percussion cap&ball revolvers. Over the years I found discovered that Thin Wax Paper makes for the overall best non nitrited paper to use as casing material to make CPC'S with my Universal Bullets. To be exact; Thin Deli Wax Paper is the most effective non nitrited paper which is very durable, self combustable, sealing, protective of the gunpowder from Water, Oil, Blood Fluids Humidity etc. In a recent burn test a CPC case was made with the Thin Deli Wax Paper and ignited with Factory percussion Caps, Remington #10 as well as Home made percussion Caps with the use of the Prime All kit. The factory made percussion Caps left a burned hole penetraiting through the bottom of the CPC casing, the size of a pencil eraser. The home made caps caused more burn up of the CPC case. Watch "Combustable Burn Rates of Thin Wax Papers For Use In Making of Combustible Paper Cartridges" on KZread kzread.info/dash/bejne/npOT09GsqpWzhqQ.html

I couldn't do it. You have the love and patience of a saint. Great how to video.

Just think, back during the civil war when the military used these rounds people were paid to make these by the hundreds of thousands. Mike, thank you for another look into our history.

@basicallyhell4150

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine being a officer and only have this and a large knife to fight with

Thank you Mike I have learned so much watching your videos. So few people shoot in more traditional methods that finding good information for those to starting out is harder than one thinks.

You where right when you stated tedious. But they look GREAT.

Wow - love the history. I have a fair bit of patients but dang - the waiting for the glue to set would drive me nutty !!! I would have to have several of the blocks so I could stay in a busy flow of things. Excellent video - thank you

I've found that for something like cutting paper like this, a disposable scalpel is MUCH better at getting a clean consistent cut. They cost about the same as an exacto too. try it and I promise you won't regret it. I'm definitely interested in trying this myself, thanks for the tutorial!

Interesting! After I saw your original video on paper cartridges I developed a method using a tapered UHMW punch from a sight installation kit & a plastic ammo tray. I use (essentially) the same process. Circles & strips. But I use tissue (gift bag) paper & glue stick adhesive. In my Remington 1858 I get a pretty complete burn. Any way you go, it's a really, "fiddly" & tedious process, but, it's a bonus at the range. And with the extra cylinders for my Remington, I don't shoot fast, but I enjoy shooting more. Thank you, Sir!

Mike thanks for all the videos , when i got my remington new army i knew almost nothing about cap and ball shoot, i used to load 18 grains of ffg black powder in it im glad i never got a squib load .

I've always wrapped a rolling paper around a 38cal dowel rod twist up one end drop in the ball pour in my powder and fold the end shut. Then I unfold to pour powder and stick the whole paper and ball on top and ram it home slightly slower than just dropping the cartridge in but you can buy papers for 99 cents at the gas station

Good video thank you 👍

Thanks for the video. I would've appreciated more close-ups of what is actually happening so that we can see how you are actually putting these cartridges together

Great Video Mike. I got about 30 of mine ready to test. Work and weather is not cooperating.

Thank ya mike fer all the info...really appreciate all ya videos and knowledge... do have a question ...the water glass , do ya have a particular brand or at least solution miture that you use...thanks in advance

I got mine a few days ago only in 36 cal I just made multiple sheets of potassium nitrated paper and have completed 30 rounds

I hope duelist will follow niouts message below because looks like it is for indoor rubber bullet cartridges. For .36 or .44 cap and ball. Assuming the Flaubert blanks are available this might be practical for indoor fun at airgun noise levels.

I am new to you tube, however for a 44 cal. To load paper cartridges have you ever used 45 cal bullets? A lot of choice there. I shoot 454 round balls in my pietta, the 45 cal bullets measure 452. Just a thought. Thank you

Great video! Have you made any paper cartridges for the Ruger Old Army? I’m also looking at buying a conversion cylinder for the ROA. What size bullet mold should I use for a paper cartridge and also what kind of load data could you offer for reloading the cylinder cartridges? I have the Lee .456-200 now and also have a .457 sizer. The conical cast bullets are not offering much resistance in the ROA black powder cylinder, actually, if the bullet has too much lube on it, it sticks to the ram and rises when I remove the ram.

Dear Mike: Do you have a link for this tool, or for John Gurney's book? About Sodium Silicate: Years ago, a shooting companion used this to seal the top card wad on brass shotshells. This friend complained that the hardened water glass scratched the bores of his old shotgun. Have you any information about scratching from water glass? This system looks interesting, though it also looks tedious and slow, practice should probably speed up the production somewhat.

Is there video of these being fired? I'm wondering how reliable they are.

You have a lot of patience.

Can't by potassium nitrate in Canada oh so free so i am using white zig zag rolly papers seems to work well due to the thinness of the paper.

Their No longer offered, Manley Tool ? Sold out on Facebook. Must have got overwhelmed? So what i do? I use a Pyrodex 30gr pellet. wrap it in cig paper, w/ wad & ball. All in one. Works great. Either way fun thing to do.

Where do i get the solution to nitrate my paper ?

Think I just keep loading loose Powder and ball . Thanks for the Video though

I noticed you didn't wax the former and plug on screen. Forget to mention, or you just don't bother? Also, do you lube the bullet or grease the cylinder after loading?

@duelist1954

5 жыл бұрын

I wax it with automotive paste wax

@mannys9130

5 жыл бұрын

He normally lubes the cylinder in front of the bullet with his homemade black powder lube. It's lamb tallow mixed with bee's wax (I think).

@duelist1954

5 жыл бұрын

Seamus McBride I missed part 2 of your question. After I make the cartridges, I dip the bullet in melted lube...beeswax and lambs tallow.

Here's a 3D printed former for .44 inspired by Cliff Manley's design: www.thingiverse.com/thing:3455804/

What was the nickel in the kit supposed to be used for?

@duelist1954

4 жыл бұрын

That's the pattern for the paper base of the cartridge.

Mike do you know where you can get one of these kits? I contacted this guy and he said he can’t make them any more. Thanks, Dave

@duelist1954

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry. He is the only source I know

@deathofkindness

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure I heard that he passed

@pacman10182

3 жыл бұрын

there's a guy on eBay that makes aluminum ones for 44, 36 and 31 myworld.ebay.com/mesawinds/

Where do you get the potassium nitrate from and the water glass?

@IHateYoutubeHandles615

5 жыл бұрын

typically from a lab supply house.

@donalddenison8896

5 жыл бұрын

Try DUDA Deisel for this and for citric acid as well, they have rock bottom pricing. Citric acid in a hot water solution of about an ounce per quart cleans cases, even black powder fouled cases wonderfully, just soak, rinse and dry in a 200/250 degree oven.. The solution when used is nasty looking but good for several sessions. Back in the 50's we bought potassium nitrate by the dump truck loads, it is a very effective fertilizer used for commercial farming by the tons,

Thank you for the helpful info! Is their a public email i can contact you at sir? I have a few questions.

@duelist1954

4 жыл бұрын

XLORDXSITHX Royal Miller mike.beliveau@hotmail.com

Where can you get one of those tools?

@duelist1954

4 жыл бұрын

Google Eras Gone Bullet Molds

@samuelwilliamson3694

4 жыл бұрын

@@duelist1954 Awesome. Thank you very much. I just had to order one for each caliber and the molds haha.

demonetized!!

@bills6093

5 жыл бұрын

I see ads, so somebody is getting revenue.

@williammccaslin8527

5 жыл бұрын

@@bills6093 yep, an it ain't the duelist, you can bet on that, but I would be willing to bet YOU TUBE made money on his video.

way too much hassle American pioneer 50 grain cubes and cut down 50% = 25 grains really weak shot I go higher

@pacman10182

3 жыл бұрын

fake powder? eww

So 6 weeks later you have 6 cartriges ready? so far so good. you're making good movies, but what you're showing right now in this movie is b.s. coffe filters ???. I hope that you also watch other videos and methods to make these cartriges easy and reliable. as well as using the potassium nitrate, is it safe for your health. bad idea

@KB4QAA

5 жыл бұрын

What, you didn't insult his wrist watch as well?

@donalddenison8896

5 жыл бұрын

I've used Potassium Nitrate for over 85 years if I count all the fertilizer used in farming and gardening. This is a pretty benign substance given some basic precautions: don't eat it or drink the solution. you should probably not inhale the dust if there is any, probably one should glove up when mixing or handling the solution, oh yes, mixed with diesel fuel or gasoline it makes a potent explosive that can be dangerous and quite useful as well. There are no doubt thousands and thousands of substances more dangerous than Potassium Nitrate being used every day, it just got bad press because terrorists use it to make bombs. It was ANFO, Potassium Nitrate and Deisel mixed in the proper way that was used in OK City to blow up the Mura Federal building several years ago. Treated with respect, Potassium Nitrate is a useful fertilizer and chemical no need to fear it, just learn how to handle it and respect it, it is no more dangerous than many other substances like gasoline. Untold tons of it are used world wide for fertilizing crops. Just educate yourself and use good sense when handling it and all will be well.

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