Imagine killing off the character of a new player because you couldn't adjust your garbage homebrew around standard character creation rules.

@whensomethingcriesagain

4 ай бұрын

And couldn't even give them new rules of character creation that would fit your setting better, which is what you'd normally do when the standard ones don't fly.

@DunantheDefender

4 ай бұрын

I can't imagine being either that stupid or that petty. And yeah, "all metal ore is gone" isn't something you should just forget to mention. That would have been like me forgetting to tell the players of my Wild World campaign that there aren't any cities or towns.

@whensomethingcriesagain

4 ай бұрын

@@DunantheDefender Hell, the DM's setting just sounds like a shitty ripoff of Dark Sun. Actually, why the hell did he not just use the Dark Sun rules for equipment and the like?

@DunantheDefender

4 ай бұрын

@@whensomethingcriesagain what is Dark Sun?

@whensomethingcriesagain

4 ай бұрын

@@DunantheDefender Dark Sun is a setting from back in the 2e(?) days, it's basically set in a huge apocalypse desert where metal is almost nonexistent. So it has rules for stuff like weapons made of bone and stone and other materials that can still be found in abundance

The unstoppable Mary Poppins bugbear is the weirdest damn DMPC I ever heard

@blackhole5353.

4 ай бұрын

Reminds me of Skyrim when you start the Dragonborn DLC. Bro, just comes out of nowhere and takes your dragon soul.

@Asundur17

2 ай бұрын

It honestly seems like a fun concept to play as a pc.

Bugbear NPC sabotaging the players could be funny and entertaining in the right game/group, clearly this isn’t that. Even in the right group, it shouldn’t happen every session. And it should be possible for the players to actually catch the bothersome NPC, even kill them if the players chose to do so.

@Kirk9019

4 ай бұрын

It probably would have been funny as hell as a one-off, even if the group usually has a somewhat serious tone. A specific magic item that the players can attain by killing said bugbear would explain everything and be a cool reward for taking down a flying bugbear at low levels. But every session?????

@IsilmeTuruphant

4 ай бұрын

This sort of thing strikes me as "I don't want to DM anymore, but don't want to ADMIT I don't want to DM anymore."

@Evoker23-lx8mb

4 ай бұрын

@@Kirk9019 that’s what I’d do. Have him show up every now and then giving the party a side quest to catch and maybe kill the bugbear getting a cool magic item as a reward.

@Typher_

4 ай бұрын

My party would love that

Bugbear voice: Just a teaspoon of sugar makes the rations be gone....

The second DM needed to communicate with the OP. "Hey, listen, I want an RPG where language barriers can lead to problems" and the response would be "I don't think that would be fun, so I'm out" or "Alright, I'll get rid fo the linguist feat" Beecause biting your tongue when a player's character "breaks" your world is only gonna make you resent them

@Tony2-Dirty

4 ай бұрын

It’s even worse when OP and the other players suggest to change it, but the DM said “Nah it’s fine.”

I'm so happy Luna found a good home

Bugbear : I'M MARRY POPPINS Y'ALL! ---------- But seriously the only way to beat it, is to have it defeat itself. Either become the bugbear to beat it (meaning if you can't beat him, the DM outs themselves as a hypocrite for being 1 sided) or have the bugbear defeat itself in a way it cannot return because of it's own actions. I'd say make a wish to get rid of it, but the DM will probably Ex-Machina a way out. If all else fails, you could reverse the role and have the DM take part in another game where one of the players keeps bringing their own bugbear marry poppins in to ruin the DM's fun, to get the point across. It all really depends on the DM though; if they refuse to listen and learn, any method will probably not work. At that point, just stop playing with them, because "you cannot convince someone who already convinced themselves". If the DM takes one of the attempts in stride, then there's hope that he's just unaware of how upset the players actually are. Then everyone can laugh it off and move on ^^

@whensomethingcriesagain

4 ай бұрын

I mean, the bugbear is very clearly a DMPC that he's using just to get petty wins on the party, and there's no fixing that.

@jrytacct

4 ай бұрын

​@@whensomethingcriesagainThis. The only way they can "win" is to go on strike. Just stop showing up and let this guy run a game with this stupid DMPC all by himself.

That Luna update brought me such a huge smile, perfect way to start the morning

Recently had a terrible experience where a DM used an immortal NPC to terrorize and undermine the party constantly as well, I really relate to how frustrating it was for the first storyteller. I genuinely feel as though if your DM does this, you're not really playing a real TTRPG, what you are is trapped in a bullying simulator where the DM takes advantage of you believing this is a game that has forward progress and an end goal, when in fact this is a simulator where the DM terrorizes you for their own entertainment. After a couple of weeks of this, (and the party attempting to approach the DM with our concerns and him brushing us off) I called the DM out and bounced. I'm here to play a fun game, not participate in a sadism simulator.

First story: I recommend sitting the DM down for a serious talk. Start the conversation with something like “Hey, I’ve noticed that whenever your bugbear goes up against us, he kidnaps whoever we’re talking to and steals our stuff, but when we try to stop him, you have him fly away and rule that all of our shots miss. I find this frustrating, and it feels pointless facing a bad guy we have no way to actually beat.” Get the other players to back you up on this. Make it clear that you’re serious about this problem, and if he keeps brushing you off and insisting Bugbeary Poppins always insta-wins, it may be time to stop playing this campaign. Maybe someone else wants to take a turn DMing? Second story: Pro DM tip-if a player’s character concept would break your game, just don’t okay the concept. Talk to the player and suggest ways they can modify the concept to fit with the campaign, and if they can’t or won’t modify the concept, see if there’s a different concept they’d want to play instead. If they can’t or won’t work with you to make a character that fits your campaign, your campaign isn’t the right one for them. Doing what this DM did will accomplish nothing except upsetting the player. Third story: I don’t think Doug thought this whole thing through very well. My personal rule of thumb (pun intended) is not to run a game with more players than I can count on one hand. That may be a little conservative, but it’s what’s possible for me to keep track of. Eleven players at one table is a lot for any DM, though.

@starofjustice1

4 ай бұрын

I can see how the third one probably got out of hand, though. "Hey Doug, I told my friend about our D&D game. He likes D&D and hasn't played in a long time/thinks it'd be fun to play/has nothing else going on that day, can he come too?" And Doug, not wanting to strain things with his immediate friend, says yes.

Aww, I'm so happy to see Luna doing well. She's such a pretty kitty.

The Homebrew DM: these are ideas that MIGHT work for a book, but would make playing a game of D&D pretty annoying. This guy seemed pretty controlling. I mean NOT letting the rogue say that his ball bearings are some other material on his metal poor world, and then killing them for it was a dumb move. If the DM couldn't handle such small challenges to their "perfect vision" then you dodged a bullet. A D&D party that can't communicate with itself.....that sounds like a minor layer of the Abyss to me.

@duskgaming18

4 ай бұрын

The ironic thing is, all this "broken" stuff is part of normal D&D character creation rules. A Variant Human with the Linguist Feat and right Background can easily have 8 Languages, and 100 Steel Ball Bearings is standard Rogue Equipment. If a simple Rogue can start the game with whats basically 100k Gold in your setting, just cause you made Steel worth 1,000 Gold in your setting, and then get mad when you stick to the RAW Creation Rules, thats on you lol

@DanaOtken

4 ай бұрын

I can read one alternate interpretation: the DM wanted to create a political game in which most of the "fun" comes from the inability of the characters to either work together to do anything constructive or interact comfortably with any of the locals anywhere. Still one point in common, as either writing a novel for the party to slog through or forcing them to essentially create most of the plot among themselves works primarily to entertain the DM at the players' expense.

the first story sounds like mans does not want to dm anymore, or at the very least wants to end this campaign, but can't say it

Very similar to having a Player that is cheating I would just start letting the g m win. The moment the bugbear shows up just put down your weapons in surrender. If they steal some of your rations say we're not gonna be able to complete this quest with them doing that and go home and give up on the quest. When they show up, say you win. What do you want? How can we serve you? Oh great master of the umbrella? Who is better than all of us. It's gonna suck but after a couple of games sessions. Have you guys just refusing to adventure because it's pointless. The g m's going to realize that winning sucks And honestly if he doesn't, then no DND is better than bad the D n d

Theres a technique I use for dealing with DM shenanigans like the Bugbear, it works best if the table is on your side: Just refute everything the DM says about this Bugbear and refuse to interact, bring the adventure to a grinding halt and don't continue until the DM rolls back on his BS. It sounds like the guy won't take a hint so you have to demonstrate that you don't want to leave the game but you aren't going to put up with this anymore, answering his every sentence about the Bugbear with "No, he doesn't" "That doesn't happen" and "We refuse to interact with this situation" repeated ad nauseum should drive the point home

good doge saves good kitkat

If all metal in the ground disappeared, everything would die because nothing could grow.

Im sorry, but that bugbear one I found hilarious XD imagine a bugbear stealing your rations singing "a spoonful of sugar" then slowly flying away with an umbrella

As someone who currently runs a 10+ person 1e AD&D game, and has run as many as 24 at a convention, I can tell you it takes a very *very* skilled DM to accomplish. I think I'm great at it (the 10+ person game has been going for almost a decade; the convention games were always crammed full of players)...but ol' Doug bit off more than he could chew. You _grow_ that kind of thing, you don't just jump in.

A solution to the bugbear could be war caster earth bind or trying to convince the dm that having a re-occurring antagonist is cool but having it undermined everything the party is doing is terrible behaviour

@ketrava0425

4 ай бұрын

If they can't even hit it with longbows , because he flies away magically , then there is no spell that is actually going to ever be in range

I can’t get over the bugbear just showing up like Team Rocket but Is always victorious out of my mind

I get the sense that the Mary Poppins Bugbear DM is just sick of running it and is trying t kill the campaign in a way he thinks is funny instead of just talking to the players. Like they were playing for at least 10 months normally and suddenly 2 months ago he decides to troll the party with a ridiculous invincible DMPC?

The bugbear made me laugh reading about it, it could work and thats hilarious what a troll... but yeah, every session and no solution and even stealing players' belongings is CRAZY 😭

The mary poppins bugbear im going to steal 😂 thats so fucking funny

Doug sounds like the kind of guy who likes D&D and wants everyone to play. A smarter plan would have been to run two games instead. That way you get to play twice as much D&D.

Bugbear Mary Poppins sounds like such an incredible concept on paper for a PC. I kind of want to do it with a Loxodon or Orc now. The umbrella is her spellcasting focus, and I think her motivation to set out to adventure is someone kidnapped the child they've been a nanny for and every enemy is gonna learn the HARD way what happens when you piss off the nanny. She'd prefer non-violent solutions more often than not, but when she's forced to take the nanny gloves off? It's not going to be a very supercalifragilisticexpialidocious time for the enemies.

I have lore dumps but I keep them in GM notes. The campaign presentation usually takes half a page. Tweaks to existing subclasses are in a separate document.

Luna is looking happy - so glad you saved her.

Communication difficulty is a trope that becomes old, like, real fast, ESPECIALLY if between party members

I would have walked out of that bugbear game real fast. Making DMPC's 'invulnerable' or 'untargetable' is boring and unimaginative. Not to mention incredibly frustrating. They deserved to call him out on his BS

I'm glad the kitty is okay.

With the bugbear, put a remotely-triggered bomb (or other such deadly trap) in your supplies and have one party member constantly on secret watch with their finger on the trigger. Don't warn the DM that's what you're doing because he clearly cheats. lol But really what the DM is doing is rather sadistic. He likes the players' continual misery. Try to kill the bugbear a few more times and then tell him you're done if nothing else works, because you're being messed with.

Bugbearry Poppins!

I'm sad, I was so drawn in by the idea of a Mary Poppins-esqe Bugbear.

That first story is hilarious.

A game with a language barrier between the player characters sounds extremely unfun.

@ecapitatorbizarrium3856

4 ай бұрын

My first campaign ever were made by native English speaker completely in English. We had a lot of fun, even though I speak that language with horrible accent. The success of that campaign was partly achieved because I didn't need to create kobold accent. I naturally speak like that

@solosynapse

3 ай бұрын

@@ecapitatorbizarrium3856 "Great kobold voice!" "Thanks, I am kobold in real life." 😂

First one is straight up looney tunes The last one reminds me of the "you'll see" story,

Baby kitty is doing better!

Bugbear sounds super fun honestly

i am only at the start of the video, but i REFUSE to belive that a bugbear mary popins would ruin anything... for me, a bugbear mary poppins can only improove anything!

I use national languages in my games and it does cause problems. But it's my responsibility as GM to ease the communication. In one location, I made magical translation earrings easily (but not cheaply - the party has a lot of gold at this point) available. In another case, about 20% of the people in that country also speak their native language. I don't recommend doing this without a good reason... it puts more work on the GM. Why is a bad Scottish or Russian accent OK, but a bad Indian accent is not? If you're going to use accents, you and your players have to accept that sometimes the results will be cringey. There's no reason an Indian guy shouldn't have an Indian accent if the GM can do it.

I'm not a big cat person, but Luna is amazing.

My rule at this point for that Mary poppain in the butt bug bear would be. "We can't touch it, interact, talk magic missile can't hit it? Alright Its not actually there, its just imaginary and I would flat out start saying. "No it didn't, its our imaginary nemesis." Give it a goofy nick name and go. "Oh you!" And ignore what ever the DM said it did and continue on with what my character was actually doing. Normally I'm all about being the player that tries to make it fun for the DM and going along with things, but there's a limit.

Mary Poppins Bugbear was the true BBEG.

The Mary Poppins bugbear would be really funny for DND is done right I feel maybe a side boss for fun and extra loot. maybe a cheater has all thier cheated stuff removed by it or something. but for every game and for every little thing? nah

I've ran a game where there's multiple human languages rather than just "common" without any problems. DM handled things entirely the wrong way.

Honestly, there's a right way to play "I'm Bugbear Poppins, Y'all!" What happened in this horror story was a wrong way to do that

Luna Update: Best $15 I ever spent. Story 1: That title; da fuq! As funny as this is, it has to be infuriating as all get out. Talk to the DM and if that fails; leave. DM license revoked. Story 2: DM approved the character before the session began and could not figure out a way around the steel ball bearings. They could have been glass beads! So da heck DM! DM license revoked. Story 3: Title: Da idiot! Yep. This is gonna be a train wreck and a half. OP is being a putz; the man is doing accents for a game with no ill intent but still; that was a legit great question and as for Doug's Dm abilities; DM license suspended for retraining.

So, let me get this right. The players all got together and NO ONE came up with the idea to not show up to the next game? Hijack the game and tell the DM to get rid of the bugbear and retcon EVERYTHING or get bent.

@TheZMage

4 ай бұрын

They explicitly state that they won’t stop playing with this DM

Yeah here’s my backup character, it’s the exact same character

Last one: not too keen on the "could be offensive" accent. Any accent could be offensive, and op never actually said it offended them or asked the other players if they were offended. They seemed weirded out by it, but that may just be because they were not expecting anyone to do accents and were not sure how to react because it is a new concept (wait... should we be doing accents?) After having played rpg's for decades, I can garentee any accent you try that is not your own will offend someone. Even professional voice actors get it wrong and go for the stereotypes to distinguish the accents if they have to do several characters. This bit seems like it is looking for trouble. The 10+ players is hard to manage, but if it is a beginner game, having players not know how to play is OK. That is why level 1 exists; so you can learn the game when there is only 3-5 things you can do to simplify things. That is my preferred way to bring in new players.

@davidtherwhanger6795

4 ай бұрын

I was getting kinda that vibe with this story. If you didn't actually find it offensive and no one else really did either, why mention it at all?

@rynowatcher

4 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 this one felt thin as far as horror stories go. It might have been thrown in because the only horror left is half of the 10 players did not know how to play. I did like the dm flavoring the stunning strike as a touch with a feeling of celebrity for the monk. Gonna steal that.

I will never understand why people force themselves to play trash campaigns. If you feel in any way that the campaign is getting unfun and it's more like a chore, just talk to the person. If the person in question like this stupid DM is brushing you off just pick up your stuff and leave the game. Simple as that. Nobody ever forces you to play something that makes you uncomfortable or you don't enjoy, and nobody is stopping you from leaving. The community is still full of good players and dungeon masters that respect you, so just leave the trash out of the door and go find something else.

@paulman34340

4 ай бұрын

Sunk Cost fallacy or the fear of not getting to play and hoping things improve....though I feel after an hour and that's being nice if things don't improve, time to GTFO. Me I just use ⚽️ Yellow/Red Card system. Two Yellow Cards mean I'm GONE (cause some like to play the long game to lower your guard and ACT like their improving) but a scarlet red flag leads to a Red Card! Which is an immediate GTFO (The first Yellow Card WILL have me pushing my perception to 200% as the second Yellow Card WILL lead to a Red Card on the spot and as said, GTFO!)

Force cage.. There’s no spell save. Just works then it’s fishing a barrel. You 1 hour to kill him.

Get well soon, Luna.

@DnDDoge

3 ай бұрын

She's doing great! Running around the house and her and Nipsey chase each other.

Mary PoBear story : Facing this situation, I would just say to the DM "We will do absolutely nothing until the Bear shows up. And if he shows up and we can't deal with it before it leaves, we will absolutely do nothing again." Want to temper with the game pace ? Fine, no more game at all.

@duskgaming18

4 ай бұрын

Honestly fair idea. The Players (if they are dead set on still continuing that bad game) could just halt the pacing and do what they want, plot be damned.

@jrytacct

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Stop playing according to this guy's script. Either stop showing up entirely or just go off and do something else altogether. He's ruining your game? Return the favor and ruin his.

I dont play Dnd, and know very little, but i like these stories. What does BBEG stand for? Big boss end game?

@gutsFunnyman

4 ай бұрын

Big Bad Evil Guy.

Holy shit is that a talking dog

Thumb ups for Luna.

You know, the idea of region languages does make sense in its way. Like you could make the case that it's more realistic. Indeed there are countries that are like that... *But* sometimes you need to make compromises for the sake of playability. In a cooperative game, like most TTRPGs, players really should be able to talk to one another.

@starofjustice1

4 ай бұрын

The hell of it is, while OP was being forced to repeat the same message for the 6th time over this homebrew language issue, the DM was probably thinking, "Oh man, this is so cool! My idea is so good!"

Regarding the bugbear story, just rally up and stop showing up. If DM asks, just say, eh... I don't feel like seeing the bugbear again.

@afunnymans

4 ай бұрын

“Sorry, guess the Mary Poppins Bugbear stole our motivations to play”

All hail queen Luna

Get together with the others players and as a group tell the Mary-Poppins DM that the Bug Bear is making the game un-fun and if it shows up agin you're all leaving. Then when it shows up, leave. There is no point staying in a game where you aren't having fun. With any luck the DM will have a epiphany and realise that whatever he's tryign to do isn't going to work and change his approach to the game, discuss the situation with you and you can continue playing -- and more importantly having fun.

A Marry Poppins Bugbear is just chef's kiss. At my table that would be a hit. I think it will be, actually

16:20 oh gosh, I had a similar experience in my current Masks game. My character is basically an alien from another dimension, and I thought "why would an alien have an American accent?" Recently watched Across the Spiderverse, and decided to give an Indian accent a try. It... wasn't great. Not quite Hollywood Cringe levels of bad, but definitely sounded like a white man trying an accent he definitely shouldn't. Obviously using a more natural voice for him now

Omg bugbear mery poppins😂

id be an ass hole in the bug bear situation and tell evryone if the dm wants to do this lets go full murder hobo and see how long it takes the dm to cave and even tell the dm the bugbear umbrella bs goes or enoy dealing with murder hobos

Second one: having regional languages can be fun. Unless you are doing a lit of travel over a wide area, most towns should have a common language, though. There should also be a lingua franca that would be used for travelers if travel and trade is a common thing here, just like the real world. Ie, you might not be able to have a Portagese grocer get you a pound of chedar but the guy at the port should know a bit of English from having to deal with English sailors. A+ idea, D execution. I will say that by making a character with 8 languages, the op made a face character. It is like rolling up a cleric and complaining everyone expects you to heal.

@duskgaming18

4 ай бұрын

Well to be fair, the DM made the OP roleplay out repeating *everything*, word for word, to each character, constantly. Not like "I translate" but rather "Okay OP, now...repeat everything I said to Player 1, then to Player 2, and then to Player 3" If a DM asked me to do that, I wouldn't budge. I wouldn't be playing Parrot IRL when I could just say "I Translate" and be done with it

@rynowatcher

4 ай бұрын

@@duskgaming18 I feel a more natural way to interact is to have the person that can understand the speaker do all the talking. Again, you are setting yourself up as the "face" if you are the only person who can understand the languages. Why was it nessicary to parrot player 1 asking how much rope was at the shop when the rougue could have just had the conversation and told pc's the summery? Context is key here too; a riddle given in Portuguese might spoil the solution if mistranslated. The dm might be pushing op to role play more because they are the only ones that speak the language and they are pulling their hair out thinking, "why are you translating when you an just talk to the npc and save us time?" The dm might also be setting up opertunity for the rougue to change the things said for some reason; ie, "my friend here says he is very thirsty, can you bring him water," when what they said was, "we need to get the merchant to leave so we can rob the place." Not sure what the dm is thinking, but I can see times at which enforcing the parroting of a language they do not understand is useful. A lot of characters have access to spells that allow speaking of languages or telepathy, if they did not want to worry about these things. This sounds like complaining the dm set the 1st adventure in a dungeon when no one bought torches or picked races with dark vision. Heck, the dm even gave a write up for what to expect with the setting, which is why the rougue can speak 8 languages. This is an avoidable issue and the players chose to put op in this position more so than the dm.

To the second OP, by not telling the DM why you're quitting their game your depriving them of the opportunity to learn and grow. You should have outlined he things in their game that made it un-fun so that they can think about it and do better next time.

I say the table needs to quite en-masse, on the spot Doge. The DM in the first story is just being a total douche.

Been listening to too many of these bad dm stories for so long that the only response I can give is that they need a broken nose / split lip / and/or black eye. Additionally, these willowy responses on not liking violence, I would normally agree except that these bad dms have shown that the only thing that’ll get through is something that literally shocks them back to reality.

@nobodybroda3826

4 ай бұрын

Remind me never to play Monopoly with you lol. My dude that's assault, I don't think beating the shit outta someone over an imagination math game is a measured response, just leave.

@naneyezgani

4 ай бұрын

Or you could like, I don't know, not assault them and leave their shit campaign? Lots of people on those posts never really talked with the root issues, and whilst it's hard they can't keep bitching about things expecting them to solve themselves, in both life and D&D communication is key to enjoy stuff. Sure, there's the case the problem doesn't care about communication, in that case it's best to not even waste anymore of your sanity or time and just leave them and go for better options

@leafcatcher1715

4 ай бұрын

@@naneyezgani If they’re so unsocialized, irredeemably irrational, or just plain feral that they’re telling you your char is being shrekshually assaulted by over-powered dmpcs and just don’t understand why they can’t keep players, then at least a smack. It’s the only thing they’re going to understand.

@leafcatcher1715

4 ай бұрын

@@nobodybroda3826 Monopoly is a game of rules during which none of the players can suddenly proclaim you’ve lost. Just lost. The end. Oh, and your token is being s-a’d by one or more of the other ones. These bad dms tell you that theirs is an adult theme game that’s just “too real” for some players. Hint, what that really means is their attitude toward sexuality is sophomoric. When they start off a session asking for player Red Cards then proceed to blow past them like what they were really asking for was a list of how-to assault and degrade their players, a smack is both self-defence and proof that they’re the one who’s been wrong all along.

If it's homebrew, change the rules.

Tell that pathetic excuse of a DM that either they knock it off with the Mary Poppins Bugbear bullshit or he won't have a group anymore. No DM has a plan for most if not all players leaving the table.

@joshuagross3151

4 ай бұрын

What about finding more players?

@TigerW0lf

4 ай бұрын

@joshuagross3151 that will either put them in a loop of trying to do the same thing that just results in them leaving again over and over (not a great plan) or eventually wising up and dropping it altogether which is what the old group wanted

@joshuagross3151

4 ай бұрын

@@TigerW0lf But it _is_ a plan, and we can already see the DM's not the ripest apple of the bushel.

I'm going to do something really bad for some people - but I'm going to feed the Mary Poppins bugbear idea to the AI app I have and see what will spitting out for the stats, backstory and abilities.

Story #! - I have to wonder WHY the DM fixated on this specific idea. I'd say, talk to the guy but sounded like they'd already tried that. The only option I see was for all Players to basically go on strike and refuse to play. until this was talked out properly and things properly resolved. Story #2 - DM provides world / campaign info in novel form. Great Big Red Flag right there. The DM was an idiot - this whole thing about languages and forcing OP's Character to act as a real-time translator made no sense at all. Then to deliberately kill off that Character because of the DM's own rulings ...... This was inexcusable. Story #3 - It really depends on the DM and the Players AND, to an extent, the system. But my own experience is that most games can take up to 6 Players and still be workable. 7 or 8 MIGHT be doable, but not always. Certainly not here. As for the DM using a stereotypical accent for an NPC, I have far fewer issues with this than some might. It could be as simple as that DM having limited ability in voices he can do. Something to talk about with him between games, anyhow. But Doug's real failure here was not controlling things at all. Guidelines for creating Characters, and actually CHECKING Characters before play, for example. That entire alignment clash thing should not have happened.

I think the stereotype accents are fine. Hard enough to do voices, and they were clearly trying to RP, not be racist

First like! 51 seconds! Love you Doge!

The Bugbear was a clear case of Dm vs Player railroading

BALL BEARINGS ARE NOT WORTH 1000G APIECE!!!😤

My bugbear is a monk named Geeman. Say his name fast enough…

I'm Mary Poppins, Ya'll!

❤ for Luna

Dog talk time!!!

Honestly, for the first story, this problem could’ve been easily solved if people would just punch the DM. In my experience punching usually stops bad behavior, especially when you do it until they stop moving.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

DM would either just punch back or call the cops on the player(s) for assault.

@jordanwhite8718

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Hence the punching until they stop moving part. Especially if one of the players has a pig farm. You’d be surprised with pigs are willing to eat.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@jordanwhite8718 Or the DM beats up the player in self defense or everyone gets arrested for attempted murder.

@jordanwhite8718

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan is the DM Jackie Chan? If all the players are fighting him, I don’t see the DM winning that fight. And again pig Farm. They can’t be viewed to suspect if there’s no body defined. Granted, if he was smart people probably knew he went to their house, but you can come up with an easy alibi for that.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@jordanwhite8718 Are these theoretical psychopaths willing to bet their lives that they'd get away with murdering someone over a bad game? Are the players actually capable of getting away with premeditated murder? Are they serial killers with enough experience to have pigs ready for corpse disposal?

Yeah, that Bugbear is not an antagonist, it is a badly disguised plot device designed to hand the party Ls like an obsessive Luigi fan. No one likes their wins constantly snatched away by BS. Antagonists need weaknesses and ways to defeat them. This DM wants to sabotage PC progress in a way that doesn't make a lot of sense. There are a LOT of flying enemies in D&D, so the system has ranged attacks and spells baked right in to fight them. I know the DM does not want them to confront the campaign end boss right now, but such obvious contrivances make the party aware of the hand of the DM. This is never good.

The language mechanic may be fun as a single pc having that but applying that to the whole game sounds clunky and cumbersome.

The bugbear thing was just overall stupid. I also agree that Doug doesn't sound bad, just he couldn't say "no" when he should have. And who the hell cares about the accent that he does? Seriously, people have to stop getting "offended" by literally everything.

dog talk time!!!!!

It seems to me that there are two types of DND horror stories. The first type is the one where someone in the party is not good at communicating what they want or really communicating at all. The second type of horror story is when you need to take somebody out back And lock them in a cage with a few pigs, who haven’t eaten for five days and letting nature sort itself out.

I don't see anything wrong with an Indian accent. That's like saying it's wrong to us a Scottish accent for a dwarf. It's fine. What matters is _what_ you're saying, not how. It sounds like OP is the socially awkward one that isn't comfortable with giving their characters different voices.

Doing accents is wrong now?

@davariusjessup3943

4 ай бұрын

Apparently if one person secretly finds the accent offensive the accent can be enough to ruin a game. "Well I didn't like it and thought it was way over the top"

@StSubZero

4 ай бұрын

No, OP is just fishing for things to complain about. After all, he actually complained about the fact the level 20 Monk DIDN'T get too involved, which if he did OP would be crying "Waaah DMPC is OP waaaah". If giving a decent accent to a character it makes sense for is offensive, then there is no point to acting out character voices. After all, ANY accent can be viewed as offensive. Redneck? you make someone sound stupid. British? You make someone sound pompous. Indian? It would make sense to truly find it offensive if the DM said the monk had a joke background in telemarketing or in running a store, but no, he's used in a serious context in a way that makes sense. Truth is, it can't be avoided if people intentionally look for things to complain about.

@Keiji555

4 ай бұрын

@@StSubZero An Indian Monk that works in telemarketing or running a store actually sounds quite fun. True to life, but funny nonetheless.

Why is 60 pages of a *fleshed-out setting* a bad thing? I don't understand it, shouldn't you *want* to have inspiration for your character and for the world to have a story from which a GM can build a campaign?

@afunnymans

4 ай бұрын

The issue is dumping 60+ pages of lore on a newcomer and expecting them to read and memorize it before session 0. Tons of lore and worldbuilding is awesome, but you should be able to summarize the most important information and provide a sort of cliff notes version, which is much more digestible to prospective players and can be a handy reference tool. You should still give them access to the deeper lore so they can read on if they are interested, but don’t make it the only way to learn about your world. It’s part of a larger issue with this DM where he doesn’t value other people’s time or fun. Like with his insistence on making language barriers between party members, making players repeat themselves over and over or insta-killing players because he doesn’t like them.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

The sixty pages should be used for the session while players are given a fraction to introduce their character. After reading the book, why play the game?

Sorry but that first one is more a rant than a story. Guy should just leave and tell DM to grow tf up

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

That's all tabletop horror stories.

Salty DM Story. I can see and have tried using regional languages. It is odd that just about every race out there gets their own language, but humans don't. Common is actually, or originally was, Merchant's (or Trader's) Tongue. Or the common language used by merchants and traders in your world. It was never supposed to be your character's original language. Your Race Language was your original language and Common was a language you choose as one of the other languages you knew. It seems to me this DM wasn't thinking things through. A lot. The party has to be able to communicate or they will never work together. Having to physically repeat things even once is tedious at the very best. It will drag the game down quickly. However, having the players in a small village where no one speaks a language they do can enhance roleplay if done sparingly. Or having a single player who does know that language can allow them to shine as they are the ones to use a trait to solve something or convey something important. Another thing that struck me as the DM not thinking things through was those steel ball bearings each costing 1000 gp. Gold is a metal as well. If all metal disappeared, no one is using metal as coinage anymore. That stuff is horded by nobility and royalty. Wooden coins, paper currency, or something else would have taken that place. Barter would be used at the start of such a thing, but eventually a different form of currency would have been put in it's place. Be it clam shells or river rocks or cow bones. Something would have taken that place. Just my rant for sure. But I think it is just stupid on WOTC to say that Human Language is the Common Tongue of all races. Human should have their own and Common should be a separate language that all should be able to encounter to learn. Sort of like Latin was in Medieval Europe.

@afunnymans

4 ай бұрын

OP expanded on some of the lore BS in other responses to their post. They said the world used leaves as currency, and there were towns where very few people spoke the same languages and could communicate with each other. The DM put way too much effort in all the wrong places and no effort in making a functional society.

Why don't you actually confront him and say your Marry Poppins shtick is dumb as hell and I'm done with it...?

id be an ass hole in the bug bear situation and tell evryone if the dm wants to do this lets go full murder hobo and see how long it takes the dm to cave and even tell the dm the bugbear umbrella bs goes or enoy dealing with murder hobos