Party in the bandit story are the reason that "regular door" puzzles are considered a good starting puzzle

@DnDDoge

2 жыл бұрын

I love this comment

@HiddenWindshield

2 жыл бұрын

For those of us not all that familiar with TTRPG tropes, what's a "regular door puzzle"?

@billybobjenkins3031

2 жыл бұрын

@@HiddenWindshield obviously the regular door isn't a regular door and some unknown puzzle that we have to figure out. The party shall now spend a session and a half figuring out the mechanisms of this "regular" door

@za_sNse

2 жыл бұрын

@@billybobjenkins3031 No I meant an actual regular door. "In front of you is a locked oak wood door with a large brass handel and keylock, what do you do?" And the party spends an hour doing one of the following: 1) Seduce the door thinking it's a mimic 2) Rage and break it down with an axe 3) Bitch to the DM about how they are meant to get through without the key? Ps. The players forgot it's on their inventory sheet

@serpentinious7745

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Dread Gazebo, but in reverse kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKOItq6uo62enbg.html

"My bandit instincts are kicking in and I must fight those strong looking strangers over there for no good reason."

@GundamAngelicDevil

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta gamble big or go home in the dirt.

@tuomasronnberg5244

2 жыл бұрын

That gives me flashbacks to Fallout 3, where I would be walking around in full set of power armor and carry weapons of mass destruction, and still get attacked by some random yahoos with a rusty pipe. It makes no sense!

@thetiredbiker3652

2 жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 or in Skyrim when you have full dragonscale and the bandit is still trash talking even as you’re ripping them in half.

@one-jy3wk

2 жыл бұрын

skyrim

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

I remember a friend of mine made an animation about my skyrim character being ambushed by a bandit while he was playing with a wild fox, i had the mirror damage skill and the bandit basically killed himself My character oblivious to the entire situation says the famous "must've been the wind" and keeps playing with the animal That was my skyrim experience after reaching the higher levels unless i was making some tough quests

Players that push the idea that bandits are incapable of being intelligent and only "run up and attack you" just shows that those players have been playing too much Skyrim or something. Why would the bandits immediately attack the party when the party isn't instigating a fight. Bandits that have lasted long enough to have scars are smart enough to not immediately attack a strong party.

@goncalocarneiro3043

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, videogame RPGs should start reflecting this by having some form of passive checks. Such as having an intimidation stat work in combination with a reputation stat of sorts. This way bandits would attack people that look like softies and have few feats or people with outrageous feats that hop into unbelievable territory while avoiding rugged looking characters that are known to be strong, or to at least frequently demolish bandits.

@k.v.7681

2 жыл бұрын

@@goncalocarneiro3043 A lot of modern games do this. First that jumps to mind is Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Bandits react to the arms and armor you're wearing. They don't feel the same about attacking a fully decked out knight as they do about kiling a peasant on sight. Skyrim has a lot of mods where bandits can flee and reorganise.

@rollanddev

Жыл бұрын

"Is someone there? Is someone there? Show yourself! Is someone there? Show yourself! Where are you...?" ... "Must've been my imagination." (Heads back to his campfire, arrow dangling out of the side of his head.)

I like the idea of one bandit being the idiot, and the others being "Holy hell Bob, they've got a fully balanced adventuring party! We do not mess with magic men!"

@cambriaofthevastoceans6721

Жыл бұрын

What are we? W...we're muggers. And wot do muggers do? They mug people. In unison: so lets go mug em!

@sonofabunn5482

6 ай бұрын

​@@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 *proceeds to mug a duck*

It sounds like those players had a bad case of RPG brain, generic enemies like bandits or goblins are walking exp not characters and wolves and tigers attack fully armed bands of soldiers in pitched battle rather than ambushing them.

@Nesseight

2 жыл бұрын

I would have literally whispered, "maybe these are the bandits" I hope that's not considered meta but "no shit Sherlock"

"You see that group of powerful knights and wizards over there?" "Yeah?" "LETZ MUG IM!!"

@galiogargoyle6295

3 ай бұрын

"Them? But... but they look like a real powerful bunch, don't ya think?"

@jfangm

2 ай бұрын

Skyrim bandit logic

“Raped Ranger” story: something like this happened about 3.5 years ago in an Adventurer’s League game I was playing in. There was no memory alteration involved; but the player (of the female Barbarian victim) insisted on retaliating against the Wizard-player rapist, and though the DM insisted on no PVP, I spoke up and asked, “What do you think letting one character rape another character is?” There was an argument, and the Barbarian player rolled a d20 and got a Nat-20, we unanimously (the other four players) called it a “killing blow” on the Wizard who then packed up his stuff (teary-eyed, I kid you not) and reported US for ‘ambushing and killing his character’. We told the real story, and both the player (somewhere between 14 and 16 yo) and the DM (mid-30’s?) were ejected from the Adventurer’s League and banned from the store. I saw the DM once later in the store, he had shaved off his beard and dressed up a bit. I reported his ‘banning’ and he was confronted, refused that it was Him, refused again to identify himself (with I.D.) until the threat of having the police called to eject him again, and was finally ejected from the game (posing as a “new-to-the-game player” this time) AND the store. At the store there’s a Wall of Shame whereupon the photographs of those caught stealing or those to be refused service in the future for other misdeeds, including being banned, are displayed. To my knowledge, he’s the only one up there that has two distinctive photographs for the same offense (being banned).

@WyntheRogue

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah,good one one you for speaking up in turn letting the barbarian get her vengeance and punish the wizard. More people need to show these sleazeballs there's consequences to their actions. Sounds like a good hobby shop to take action once the truth was revealed, nothing good can ever come out of perving on people.

@stevenschnepp576

Жыл бұрын

Jesus, could you imagine being such a pathetic nerd that not only did you get banned from a store, you tried sneaking back in?

@Elyseon

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like that store was run by assholes.

@_maliciousIntent

Жыл бұрын

@@Elyseon How are they assholes for documenting and displaying people who did things bad enough to get banned, including stealing? Sounds like you have your empathy misplaced, like you're one of the little assholes that would be on that wall.

"I cast charm person" "I stab the wizard,... Does blank hit" This is the time where instant attack is 100% ok imo

Why is it always the spell "Charm Person" which is always abused by problem players and enable by bad DMs. "Charm Person" is Not mind control!

@DnDDoge

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@liamdalemon1525

Жыл бұрын

If you cast charm person on your teammate, it can work but it shouldn't' do anything because your already working together!

@stevenschnepp576

Жыл бұрын

Because neither of those groups, traditionally, bother to read the rules.

@ailinfergan

Жыл бұрын

​@@DnDDoge it makes the person charmed to consider the charmer as a really good friend. It doesn't make them lose their sense of autonomy. They take stuff the charmer days at face value, but will be able to makes saves against clearly inimical choices.

I think I lost braincells listening to the bandits story... ouch...

The first story had a party of idiots. Career criminals with plenty of scars to prove their mistakes just as much as their successes would obviously be moderately good at what they do. A warrior with no scars is untested and a thief who is well known is no master of their craft.

@AtelierGod

2 жыл бұрын

What if the thief is well known but because they leave a calling card behind and is never seen themselves?

@yukiutaware1064

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod That isn't what I meant. If you are a known thief, name to a face, then you aren't very good. An unknown criminal can have a reputation, like a nickname, but remain anonymous otherwise.

@RiversEagle_

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod The idea is like the best spy is the person you don't realize is a spy. Characters like James Bond are terrible spies, they're well known and bombastic.

@AtelierGod

2 жыл бұрын

@@yukiutaware1064 then what about one who got caught when still new and has since then reached master level? Known for their early crimes but has since reached a level where they almost can’t get caught?

@yukiutaware1064

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod If you do a thing once and, in others eyes, never do it again, it's incredibly unlikely that you're going to be "well known". You're splitting hairs.

Charm Person isn't mind control.

1st story: The DM hit them with hints with all the subtlety of a brick and they still fell for it. The players honestly deserved to get hosed, especially since the main reason they didn't catch the hints was because they were apparently meta-gaming and assuming that bandits would just attack them on sight. 2nd story: The DM and the wizard player were jerks, just to put it mildly. Imagine retconning a character's outfit just to throw a bone to the horny wizard trying to be a pervert. They both deserve a smack upside the head for this. 3rd story: The players roleplaying themselves playing the skin flute and having a giggle about it wasn't the horror story, the DM purposefully doing it because it made OP uncomfortable and the Barbarian for taking it personally and insinuating that OP was wrong to complain about the "joke," even though other party members understood and were willing to adjust themselves moving forward, because OP was a girl...that's what made this a horror story. 4th story: Charm Person doesn't work like that and even if it does, it's pretty messed up to pimp another character out to someone without their consent and then erasing their memories of the event so they can't do anything to get revenge on you. That's especially scummy and I can't believe anyone would do something like this during a game, let alone a game among friends/acquaintances. 5th story: I can't think of anyone who'd learn that their character was guilty of such heinous crimes and not react negatively to it. Seriously, I'd be pissed off too. 6th story: I couldn't imagine being in a game where the GM wasted 5 hours and then blamed me for wasting his own time because we thought that he was going somewhere with this plot thread. As a rule of thumb, if you know something's going to be a waste of time...don't put it in your game, especially if you had something more exciting planned after the fact.

Perhaps the DM should have had a neon sign that reads "We are the Bandits."

@vitezjura

Жыл бұрын

"Hmmmm.... that seems suspicious." - that party probably. "But if they were really bandits, they would attack us on sight. Lets follow them in that dark alley one by one and do what they say instead."

Story 1; I am just imagining the bandit leader looking like Patches from the Soulsborne/Elden Ring series lol

@DnDDoge

2 жыл бұрын

Immediate stab

That first party deserved everything they got. I'd have had the Bandits mercilessly taunt the party from the top of the chasm too and throw filth down on them!

with players like this i am like scar who would say "I'm surrounded by idiots"

A game I played in had the opposite happen. We spotted bandits we where after, attacked and after the battle, the DM told us the people she called "bandits" where not actually bandits.

@silentdrew7636

2 жыл бұрын

That's definitely worse

@unluckyone1655

2 жыл бұрын

In one session we managed to roll high enough on our persuasion against the bandits and basically made them go home to their parents in town feeling ashamed of what they were doing lol

@mackiemark5149

Ай бұрын

@@unluckyone1655 a buddy tried that in my friends campaign and the bandits said something along the lines of “you think we’re going to go back on what we do? We’ve already slaughtered a caravan today yet another brings itself to us here!” I liked it because hardened murderers aren’t really gonna be talked out of it. Especially if it’s a group of em 😂

Bandit story: When you clear the perception check, but you’ve got a -12 WIS mod.

Setting aside that Charm Person doesn't work that way, Modify Memory is a 5th-level spell and can only change up to ten minutes of a target's memories. I don't believe for a second that a 9th-level wizard couldn't afford ship's passage. In fact he could have just charmed the captain and had him sign a contract to take the party where they needed to go at a big discount. Of course, that group was made of little shits, and you shouldn't ever force a player to experience something that make them physically upset. Just thought I would point out that the Wizard used both of his spells incorrectly and in particular had a much easier and less odious way of handling the situation that was right in front of him.

That party was either incredibly naïve or incredibly stupid. If there were more any additional hints they were bandits, these players would have assumed they were either merchants or mercs.

With the bandit story, as someone who doesn't play TTRPGs I'd be more suspicious if they had attacked. Like, clearly they must have an ulterior motive if they're attacking someone well armed. It's the predator vs. prey mentality. The predator has a finite amount of resources and can only benefit from a certain victory and getting a meal/money, (unlike prey who wins if they get away with their lives, even if injured/robbed) so they have to pick and choose when they go after prey and why they usually don't go after comparable predators, unless it's a matter of territory or something. e.g. a lion won't attack a hyena for food, but will attack over an encroachment of territory. Bandits and pirates should have the same mentality, and it should be suspicious when they don't.

@robinmohamedally7587

2 жыл бұрын

Humans are different. They usually just attack weaker people because they're cowards

Me, dm: okay theres a vampire here defending this chamber Rogue: hi vampire Vampire: hello little one. Come here, i have a gift for you Rogue: oh bet! I love gifts Dm: does a 23 hit? Rogue: whys he attacking me?!?! Dm: ... hes a vampire

@liamdalemon1525

Жыл бұрын

I call racisim!

@talkingwithadam812

Жыл бұрын

@@liamdalemon1525Anything that says its defending a room in an evil wizards dungeon, is probs evil But yeah i agree, dont be racist, vampires can be good guys. In my last spell jammer campaign we had a vampire chef who was cool af

OH, God the party in the first story would have a meltdown with my BBEG, she had the party go on increasingly more dangerous missions to 'stop' a Cult of Undreath, all the while being said cults leader, she didn't have full control of the party, she was just able to send them on a few missions when the Cult 'attacked' her kingdom.

That bandit story had my eye twitching a little. I'm glad I've never been present for something like that. It's bad enough just hearing about it. 🤦‍♀

Remember kids, don't do jrpg logic.

@Saviliana

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is, even JRPG had more intelligence logic then those.

Was the players in the first story 5 year olds and all the villains in the game had top hats, black capes and twirly moustaches?

@ParsureArts

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve had almost that experience, haha. A shapeshifter was following my group, and I had to really really emphasize that something was wrong with a few of the ‘friendly npcs’. And- this was kind of mixed in with my own ideas, that shapeshifters have specific tells: eye colour, old scars, a symbol on their clothes- but it took them a while to catch on. Added context: I draw art of most of the characters and main npcs, maybe it’s them, or maybe it’s my style that accidentally throws them off…

Suddenly the group of camping people mutated into bandits :V Oh well some people can be really stubborn

Am I glad the bandits are in there and we are out there, and there are the mercs and we are in there and i just remembered we are out here. What i want to know is where are the bandits?

Love the shade doge throws!

26:33 based doge

I always wondered who was suprised by the "suprise" ambuses that happen in skrim or other games when some random, very obviously suspicious person on the side of the road asks you to "save" a friend. "Right over there"...now I know.

To the first group, have you ever played dragon age origins? Because the bandits at the beginning of the game don’t just up and attack you, why because they want to avoid fighting if possible because they prey on the weak and weary.

That bandit story was great. I'm going to use that as an encounter.

The last story sounds like the DM biding time because they didn't plan anything more to the game, got frustrated and blamed the players.

"They can't be a combat encounter, they TALKED!"

In the first story the DM should have stated it's what my characters would do LOL

Doge: Right, Lucky? Lucky: OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM

The bandit story reminds me of "The Muggers" from Viva La Dirt League. One of them will be like "we can't attack that one. They're clearly a murder hobo." And the other one will work them both into a froth by asking "what are we!?" Making the other one say "we're muggers!" And they run off like idiots.

That bandit story sounds like an exact reverse of the conversation in the clown camp in West of Loathing. In there, you actually get incredibly suspicious and can needle the guys for info and even attack them if you are so keen. These were just idiots.

Story 1 is painful. That has to be the most dense group of players I've ever heard about, not just for the initial mistake, but for the doubling and tripling down after the fact. Tabletop RPGs are not video games. The bad guys will not just automatically attack you because there's only so much code for their action options.

Those first players are incredibly dense, lol

That bandit story truly is an instance of the player's real-life Wisdom scores being lower than that of their characters.

Sounds like those bandits were smarter than the players. I hope they returned later, better equipped and more powerful.

Oh Lucky rolled for us and showed us his belly.

This story is utterly hilarious - reminds me of the old DeadAleWives "He was lying" - "He said it was a magical sword" - "He was lying when he said that." - "DUUUDDEEEE!!!"

Honestly, listening to these stories inspired me to write mine. I love these stories, and hate the problem people. It's something I love listening to at work and seeing Lucky almost daily makes my day

The first story is a bit silly, because the bandits don't hide to attack passers by, they hang out on the road and talk normally to passers by, looking rough, but not doing any banditing at all, not attacking people on sight is fair enough, but to just hang out on the side of the road, not hide or watch the road from nearby is also silly. Of course the party were a bit daft, but the bandits weren't being smart, they were being weird.

Yeah, I do agree about the trilogy of that story: Those are the kind of people that I wouldn't associate with, and it seems that Wizard and the Dm are horrible people.

I have a Bandit Story of my own that ended a lot better. I showed up at our LGS and only our DM and one other player whom I'll call "Bob" were the only ones there. DM told me that the others called ahead and they'll be late so to pass the time, he sent me and Bob on a simple "Find the Bandits" Quest. I was playing a Paladin but I wanted to get rid of the stigma that all Paladins are Lawful Stupid and Boy Scouts that would criticize you for simply jaywalking or "I'm a Paladin so my actions are justified", etc. So donning a cloak (Since my Paladin didn't have bulky armor), I hid my role while traveling down the road with Bob to see if the appearance of a common traveler would lower the bandit's guard. We end up going into a forest where we found a group camped out in the middle of it. I knew right off the bat that they were the bandits but I also knew that Player Knowledge =/= Character Knowledge so I played my character thinking they COULD be the bandits but they're not entirely sure and thought to bluff them into revealing it, but my bluff didn't work because long story short, my choice of wording was so alien to the bandits that their reaction was literally, "Huh...?" Since my bluff didn't work, I continued my character not being 100% sure about it, and said, "Okay you better be careful out there. Words are there are bandits attacking people." So I left. Bob, however... ...He convinced the bandits to join us in a conversation and create a circus troupe. And that's how a session turned into a performance much to the confusion of the other players when they arrived. Late Player: "What are we doing for today?" DM: (Barely able to keep his cool) "We're preparing to run a circus." Late Player: "WHAT?!"

1st story: Honestly i would act the same as them but PRETENDING Who says we can't get any valuable info from an enemy in a peaceful way? Everyone speaks freely in front of the joker after all

Just saying, you already know it's gonna be a good video when avgn is clipped in it. Right on

The roll to jerk off thing where half the table joined in sounds like it would've been really funny to see, but not generally appropriate conduct for a dnd game.

Alter memory only can effect upto 10 minutes of memory, while his character was effected for an hour with a spell that basically just is forced temporary friendship. Noob DM is noob.

I feel like every single person in that party would think that an armed robber wouldn't attack them because they "didn't attack first" irl. What're they gonna do? Tell God that he's being a bad DM as their bodies go cold?

O God the dm made him a pizzagate conspiracy

The reason the Charm Person memory modification is so annoying is because Modify Memory is a 5th level spell. I used to run a warlock who kept telling the party they were lucky he did not have access to that spell yet whenever anything mildly embarrassing happened.

Those guys from the bandit group story sound like a comedy sketch from something like Adventure Time or Flapjack.

That bandit story sounds like a bit from a comedy film

Time to give the cats an unwarranted treat. I am in no way four cats in a trench coat, just a normal human on the internet who thinks your cats would enjoy a surprise treat. Meo- I mean: Goodbye.

The amount of times 'THAT' or attempts of 'THAT' comes up in d&d horror stories is both disturbing and disappointing. This particular one is especially vile

Forget it, at that point, I'd just resign. If smooth brain players can't even bother an Insight check, those brainlets don't deserve that DM.

@Jermbot15

2 жыл бұрын

Ehh, now that the DM has a better grasp of the player's capabilities it'll be easier to design future sessions. For instance, he'll know to make the next set of bandits are also orcs.

@GundamAngelicDevil

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jermbot15 But the orcs could be hardened adventurers just like the party! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lucky deserves treats.

DM of first game sounds like he'd run an interesting campaign

I'm so glad guys like this aren't kings of the gaming store anymore

"If they were bandits they'd have attacked us on sight." Right. Because real world muggers are so well known for running head-first at fully geared SWAT teams oblivious to them.

@Isaygoodday5

3 күн бұрын

Their only concept of bandit behavior is from Bethesda games

@JustAPasserby-e6z

2 күн бұрын

@@Isaygoodday5 I dunno. In those games you're typically a single person being attacked by unreasonable numbers. Numbers breed a moron's take on courage.

In the first story, we have the opposite of murderhobos.

The only time I've ever seen the "bandits attack on sight" thing not come off as stupid, would be in universes like Fallout, where stuff like drug use and crushing poverty is super common. At least a junky suffering withdraw and armed with a tire iron charging some guy in power-armor and holding a mini-gun comes off as plausible.

In general, I'd just avoid themes of sexual assault, particularly where other players are involved. There's really no reason for it.

I typed out a long, thoughtful comment, but it deleted itself for no reason, and now I’ve forgotten what it was. Great video as always, Doge, and give the kitties lots of treats from me!

being fairly honst, the one where all the characters lost their memories and one of them found out he was a terrible person is not a problem for me... like, how many cool stories we have of characters who lost their memories, only to find out that before looing their memories they were horrible people, and than choosing to be good people dispite their previous life? i find it an interesting concept, and i wouldnt mind if it was with my character.

I always feel irrationally angry at RPGs including "safety" passages in their books. I always think "duh, you're all cooperating in this, so you're gonna speak up when there's a problem, and try make sure everyone's having fun" Although I guess these videos prove me wrong (only just noticed) I still don't think those safety tools will stop someone who'd literally let what that wizard did, happen. I think they're too far gone.

@myautobiographyafanfic1413

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually so mad at that wizard though.

There is a fine line in adult jokes; if you make dark jokes with your close friends, your trust in your friendship can cut through any poor choice of words. But you make dark jokes, adult ones where even it may mistakenly be implied that the person would be okay with assault? That's the point of when you $*%& up so hard, you'd be lucky if the person ever talks to you again. That GM who writes in that "detail" in the op's backstory crossed that line.

These stories make me ask... WHAT THE FRAK?!

Those players were...really dumb. Bandits are people. I thought that was a pretty fun and cool interaction between the bandits and party.

You should start including Lucky enjoying those treats he's earned at the end of your videos, too. :)

@teirdalin

Жыл бұрын

Facts

Counter move. "I'd like to look down the wizards lace bustier." And then get a middling roll.

Hello! Recently started watching your videos, and have thoroughly enjoyed them! Also wanna add, I genuinely appreciate that you gave a heads up about the SA themes!

the players were expecting skyrim logic i'd say the dm did good with the set up but the players werent taking the obvious hint

Jesus Christ these stories hurt

@DnDDoge

2 жыл бұрын

Roll for psychic damage

@Nyrufa

2 жыл бұрын

Gnome, Cleric, Pedophile...

"What are we gonna do in the tent, step chieftain?"

That bandit story screams heres your sign. As for the sa and Grape they should've kicked the problematic players threw derogatory slurs after boundaries were brought up.

I see you’ve faced the terror of Souls Dogs.

i can see what the Dm was going for in the amnesia story (plottwist the guy with amnesia was actually a bad guy will go back to his old ways or turn over a new leaf think total recall's Hauser was Doug the whole time) but it simes op didn't appreciate it

the OP of the first story tells it in third person this means two things, ether A: he is one of the Players and embarrassed or B: he is the DM and only tells us half the story and he actually tricked the player and retroactively adds flags and hints while beeing silent about what he actually said

I think Fallout and skyrim have trained players to think enemies are too stupid to live

6:13 I have to correct the OP here: NPCs be smarter than the players. At least in this instance.

Omg. I remember when pewds did a video with the face filters. You just nut sacked me nostalgia.

that story with the girl player... honestly that's when you just pick up your character sheet and just nope the fuck out and say "later neckbeards"

To be fair, the last story IS different from the Forever Wars in one key area: there were actually weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in the form of chemical weapons that WE sold to Saddam in the hopes he would use them against Iran. We also found evidence of anthrax production.

Okay 1. Was the skirt peek, the wank off, and the ranger bum all the same group if so, how the hell did OP sit through all of that. 2. For the kiddy diddler story, I find it interesting. I would have played the character as someone who is utterly disgusted with themselves when finding out and dedicated their life to trying to making it right. Like you have amnesia, whatever wires were crossed to make you do those things might be fixed now, that's at least how I would play it

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

Story #2 I agree. I'd have played that guy as wracked with guilt and self loathing, putting himself into every battle with no care at all whether or not he survived

8:20 "Well, you're not wearing pants either, and those Orcs are looking hungry..."

We love lucky 🍀

Removing a player's agency, SA, and removing their memory of the event. If they're going roleplay like that they should just play with themselves. Wizard deserved a steel-toed boot, and the whole game should have been retconned.

Charm person doesnt work like that. SA is an attack, and if it didn't break the spell outright, it wouldn't compel someone to go through with it

With the second batch of stories, OP is being too hard on herself. Too many people forget that not everyone gets an upbringing that gives them the skills to handle conflict or assert themselves when things are bad. It's not something that everyone gets taught and it's grossly unfair - not to mention incredibly self-righteous - to expect everyone to know automatically how to handle situations like this, without knowing anything about their upbringing or what they've been through. It's really easy to look back and say you "Should" have done more but apparently, it's also very easy to forget how I felt being that age and not knowing how to stop something you knew felt bad when everyone else seemed ok with it. Peer pressure is not as easy to shrug off as all that.

Guest appearance by the AVGN

Players in the first story have clearly never played any Fromsoft game. (Patches is still one of my favorite characters.)

My character once fell prey to Charm Person by a humanoid beholder who then ordered me to attack my party. The rules state that it makes you view the caster as your best friend, but my character was extremity duty oriented and had been ordered by his God to protect the party, which gave me an idea. In my character's mind his ward and his "best friend" were trying to kill each other so he needed to defuse the situation. I cast reverse gravity on everyone. Beholder: "You are NOT WORTH IT!" Me: I soak it DM: You soak a finger of death? Me: Mortality domain makes me immune to death effects. DM: Nice. Attacking me broke the charm and I resumed attacking the beholder with my party. 🙂 My character was a cleric/sorcerer focused on healing and utility magics (ie: the party toolbox). Not great at combat but had an answer to almost any situation. Spectral Hand plus touch range healing proved to be an incredible combo btw. We were all power gamers, DM included, so things balanced out and we had a lot of fun.

Excuse me, I didn't hear any Bethesda combat music start on the approach of the group of bandits therefore they must be good. Prove me I'm wrong