“No human woman would sleep with a big green monster” -dude has never spoken to women apparently

@SageTigerStar

3 ай бұрын

you'd be surprised how many *men* this would apply to as well. LOL

@nocount7517

2 ай бұрын

Fiona: "And I took that personally."

I'm willing to bet that the DM from the Orc Story is the same guy who tried to Railroad a mass sa orc raid with a 12 year old girl in the party.

@WTFisTingispingis

6 ай бұрын

The. WHAT?

@TigerW0lf

6 ай бұрын

@WTFisTingispingis yeah, there was a story a year or so back where a guy had that happen in the first session and his only defense was "that's what orcs do," and everyone shut him down HARD.

@NereidAlbel

6 ай бұрын

Yep, that's a thing that happened.

@silverhit1437

6 ай бұрын

What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck holy hell

@shadowpanther4800

6 ай бұрын

I remember that one. DM said the party all took off their armor in the tavern, heard trouble was happening outside, ran outside without grabbing their weapons, and then had the party roll initiative where two or three orcs went first to do that. Add in not only was there a minor player, the campaign was not advertised as 18+.

"No woman would sleep with an Orc"? Lol, has that guy never been on the internet?

Re: the Orc story. Sure, the DM can set up their world and lore any way they want, but warn a fella first. I want to roleplay the gritty reality of medieval racism about as much as I want to roleplay the gritty reality of medieval plumbing (or lack thereof).

@kaylawoodbury2308

6 ай бұрын

It wasn't even gritty realistic racism, the dm ignored his backstory and tried to make him be the rapey, uncivilised kind of Orc.

@pippo17173

6 ай бұрын

He probably doesn't because when he said woke, I knew he won't be honest about it because it will scare off all his potential players.

@devcrom3

6 ай бұрын

Sooooo...a lot?

@solosynapse

3 ай бұрын

@@pippo17173 Exactly. Every time someone uses "woke" as a pejorative, I roll my eyes & know they can be immediately dismissed as having nothing of value to say.

Smokey's game was basically what A New Hope would have looked like if the Empire wasn't evil. No conflict, and just some teenager being a moisture farmer for one more season then going off to flight achool.

I wish I could say the Orc story surprised me, but at this point not much surprises me anymore when it comes to people like that. Does Orc lore still need refining? Sure, but regression is worse, a good DM can refine it and make it better, a bad DM makes it worse like this. Also there are most definitely women who would do it with an Orc. Not me personally, but they are definitely out there if the internet has taught us anything.

The ork story: First: I found an game that is basically an interactive book with stats (that is dnd flavored) where the orks are not only civilized, but have their own kingdom with royalty, culture, their own magic and history. Heck - when I played as a orc - he was introduced as wearing an fancy blue tailcoat. And second: The no woman would be with an orc thing - two words: monster f*cker.

@Dragongamz1

6 ай бұрын

There are so many people I know that would willingly f*** an orc

@shadenox8164

6 ай бұрын

And orcs are actually considered more on the tame side of that.

@monikasernek1177

6 ай бұрын

@@shadenox8164 I also remember that apparently that the new thing in the romance novels genre (aka the books with an shirtless oiled-up guy on the cover) are bears. Not buff and hairy guys - but actual bears. What is weird - consider that those romance novels are apparently anywhere and popular with middle aged woman.

@Dragmiredraws

6 ай бұрын

Exactly!! People! LOVE!! ORCS!!

@monikasernek1177

6 ай бұрын

@@Dragmiredraws I mean - I love my orc Bahn (from the game I mentioned). I purposely made him as big and strong as possible, but at the same time his second biggest stat was history (the games version of intelligence). Also the way I played him was that he was quite mallow for an orc.

I feel a little bad for Smokey. She’s clearly someone trying to find what she likes but may be in the wrong group. She apparently doesn’t enjoy the combat aspect of the game but maybe she couldn’t find a group for her. It sounds like it’s an older story and I know it wasn’t easy to find groups outside of your local community way back when.

Self defense isn't murder. Screw that DM.

@Nyrufa

6 ай бұрын

Probably the kind of person who thinks bullies will get bored and go away if you don't fight back.

DM of the second story pisses me off. How DARE he disparage the epic of Shrek!

@manegirl93416

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention, Shrek's an Ogre, not an Orc. There tends to be s difference.

@Enclavefakesoldier

6 ай бұрын

​@@manegirl93416 Orges are like onions, Orcs are like peppers.

@manegirl93416

6 ай бұрын

@@Enclavefakesoldier Orcs are spicy?

@Enclavefakesoldier

6 ай бұрын

@@manegirl93416 No! They make things interesting. XP

While I wouldn't let someone play an orc as a character in my 1e game (they're all Lawful Evil and I don't do Evil games) a half orc is absolutely on the table. A half orc of *any* alignment, mind you. All that's said about orcs at any rate is "Orcs are fecund." and "fecund" means: "producing or capable of producing an abundance of offspring or new growth; fertile." That's it. That's all. Doesn't mention rape, just says they're _fecund_ . So that particular DM had a case of the dumb.

@Evoker23-lx8mb

4 ай бұрын

No race is all evil or all good, that makes no sense. There’s no reason a player character can’t just be one of the good ones of their race or one of the bad ones of that race.

Story : For the "Why didn't he say anything about how Orcs worked in his world ?" thing, I have to guess that Guy thought it was "basic common knowledge" that was consistent no matter the games. He his mindset, he thought he didn't need to specify that "Orc are SO" as much as he didn't need to say "The sky is blue".

@bayardkyyako7427

6 ай бұрын

Because he's likely a real life racist, anyone who says "woke" unironically usually is these days

Bards aren't supposed to be sex fiends, they are supposed to be entertainers, poets, or actors. When I play a bard I play as a slight flirt yes, but always as a means to defuse a hostile situation or I play as a fast talker with a silver tongue. I never do it as a sex obsessed person who think charisma is mind control.

Awwww, so nice of the Feline Overlords to let the doge have fun!!! I have a Feline Overlord, too, that I happily and willingly serve!

I think that Simba would likely be a Monk or Cleric if he were D&D or Pathfinder character

The "What do you do now" shtick reminds me of that one story with a DM in a convention. They kept doing stuff like "You see a light at the bottom of the well. What doy you do now?" Can't remember who read it on KZread but it gives off similar energy.

I had a player who faced racism in almost ever city he went to because he played a half dragon which were the most hated race in this homebrew setting. The difference is I was very transparent about this fact before he made the character and warned him this would happen. I also added many ways to hide his heritage and avoid the racism. Which he refused to take saying I shouldn’t have racism I’m my world.

At least the smokey thing was a one shot and not a full campaign. It sounded really boring, but it also sounds like she really enjoyed it since she showed a lot of enthusiasm for it. I'd be reluctant to smother that enthusiasm as well and if it was just the one time, then I'd probably just write it off as a strange experience, but overall harmless. She enjoyed it and had fun and that's nice. Makes her feel acknowledged and now everyone can move on. Pretty wholesome overall. As long as it doesn't drag out too long, it's fine.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate that she didn't blame the party for searching for conventional adventure.

For thise that don't have the history of orcs: 1e fodder monster 2e playable half-orc, but usually with dark implications 3e same as 2e, though mentions of the implications were scarce There were multiple settings and splatbooks that had playable variations, but most assumed they were cast out if orc society or otherwise "redeemed" to function in the usual good/neutral -aligned game. It was never stated they were all psychopaths incapable of love, but inly recently did they get rebranded as a sort of "noble savage" type racewide instead of being exceptions.

Orc Story. That DM doesn't know about Al-Qadim, The Land of Fate, setting then. Many orcs are quite civilized in that setting. Which came out in the 1990's so has been a thing for about 3 decades now.

@Bladezeromus

6 ай бұрын

That's not a good example: 1) It's old and obscure. 2) it's deliberately obscure in universe. It's an isolated peninsula walled off from the rest of the world by a treacheorus mountain range and mostly isolated. 3) It was designed to be completely optional to the world of Faerun. 4) Monster and evil races in Zakhara are folded into the Enlightenment Culture through threats of being labeled heretics or savages in which case they'd be completely ousted by everyone else at best and at worst their kingdom would be crushed by everyone else in Zakhara for going against the Pantheon. So orcs and goblins etc being civilized in Zakhara is much closer to Europeans coming to America and telling the Indians that their pagan gods are evil and pushing Christianity on them in order to civilize them. But other than that, the lore has changed and orcs are no longer slaves to their nature or the will of the God that created them.

@davidtherwhanger6795

6 ай бұрын

@@Bladezeromus And not one of those points actually attacks my argument that D&D lore does contain civilized orcs for a long time.

@Bladezeromus

6 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Yes. Yes they do. You referenced something old and obscure, designed to purposefully be obscure, with obscure reasons for why evil races weren't evil in that specific setting. Yes, the lore changed eventually, but it hasnt been a thing for 3 decades. And honestly, it still ISNT a thing. The lore hasn't changed THAT much. Outside of the Many Arrows, orcs, canonically, still don't build cities or kingdoms, still mostly follow Gruumsh, still treat women as prizes to be won, and still operate mostly as independent war-bands. The most civilized orcs are the Many Arrows... and they're just a giant raider coalition terrorizing the Sword Coast. Around Neverwinter. Even in the modern MMO.

@davidtherwhanger6795

6 ай бұрын

@@Bladezeromus It isn't obscure to those of us who played it. It may be obscure to you. But not to me. So obscurity is relative. And just because some thing may or may not be obscure doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The DM stated that orcs being civilized, with no caveat as to why, before recently in D&D Lore was made as a statement of fact. A statement that is false. Now do you honestly believe a statement can only be true if enough people know of it to be true? Because that has some dangerous ramifications.

@Bladezeromus

6 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 I'm not going to argue with you about the relativity of obscurity, because you know you're wrong here and you're purposefully constructing a logical fallacy. You're essentially saying that "it doesn't happen because it didn't happen to me" and vice-versa. It's doesn't matter if it's not obscure to you. The facts are that DnDs player boom was 5e. The people aware of Al Qqarim are a percent of a percent of the current playerbase. So if you want to defend bringing up old, obscure content that no one's heard of. Be my guest. I'm not going to tell you to stop clowing yourself. You're also not clever for trying to take something that isn't relative and making it relative, then in the next paragraph taking something relative and making it not relative. So I'll say yes. Absolutely. If we're talking about a fictional world. With lore laid down in black and white. The community consensus interpretation of the lore is only superseded by author statements and the written lore. And in this case the written lore does not agree with your point. Your point relies on an old, obscure two shot campaign setting that's isolated from the rest of the world and designed to be an outlier with the rest of the world's lore, with its own local lore explaining why this area is the way it is. Your point also relies on attacking a players ignorance of content, that, quite honestly, isn't even relevant because it isn't used anywhere else.

I can conceptualize a decent way to explore prejudice and racism in a D&D game but it really does seem like everyone who wants to is a huge piece of shit in real life rather than just exploring such things intellectually through a game.

@kaylawoodbury2308

6 ай бұрын

If it helps at all, I am exploring prejudice in my Strahd campaign and we all are handling it very respectfully. Its very much not a real life allegory to actual human races. I can't go into all the details but I am playing a Wolfborn which in dnd lore are the civilized descendants of Werewolves, permanently in a wolf/human hybrid form. Shes from a blood hunter order (order of the lycan) of all Wolfborn who tap into their latent Werewolf blood to draw power and protect the balance of nature by slaying unnatural abominations including feral werewolves. She herself holds prejudice towards werewolves before joining and a group (the party) and being sucked into Barovia where they actually have a werewolf problem but don't have any native wolfborn. So now she is being treated with much the same prejudice she harbors towards werewolves, feared and untrusted (to a reasonable degree that its not hurting my experience or getting in the parties way) with my friends needing to defend and vouch for me. Without spoiling story, she's actually contracted Lycanthropy and while she could have sacrificed something to a church to be healed of the affliction, she actually sacrificed that thing to bring another pc back to life instead. Shes now fully a werewolf herself, causing personal conflict but in spending a little time with the local werewolves, also causing her to explore what being a werewolf means, as well as their culture and faith, while also trying to focus on her personal reasons for wanting to kill Stahd. I hope this gives you just a tiny bit of hope for humanity, its true many people do this in bad faith.

At this point I think people have a kink to grab random people and make them try to enjoy their kink by forcing it on them. and dnd/ttrpgs is a sad target.

@veganmeatballsareyoukiddingme

6 ай бұрын

Seriously. So many examples... Jeez

@pippo17173

6 ай бұрын

It's probably the only chance to get people to witness it.

Simba looks like a good kitty

DO WHAT NOW

I also treat orcs as purely monsters in my campaigns, but I'm upfront about that and it's clearly stated in my House Rules Document. You can't play orcs, trolls, goblins, kobolds, etc. as those are all monsters and will act as such. But you *tell* the players that before they make any characters.

Prior to 5e Orcs weren't a playable character race. Half-orcs were, but not full-blood Orcs. if your DM allowed you could play them as a monster-race, but they weren't on the list of "normal" character races.

@WhyYouMadBoi

6 ай бұрын

Actually full blooded orcs along with Orogs were playable in 3.5 and I believe 4e. Lore wise you can't tell a half orc from a full blooded orc at all.

@bandwagonbuzzard1617

6 ай бұрын

They kind of were. Advanced has "Orcs of Thar", a splat with playing Orcs, goblins, and even wacky things like trolls (the days of variable XP tables had that one with negative values, it was odd). But it was for "redeemed" ones and included a penalty to charisma checks when dealing with regular humanoids. Then 3e had a playable orc, but they weren't very good and also relied on being out of "standard" orc society.

Doge, only to clarify, the SA orc reproductory tendency are, in fact, part of the lore... for the evil Orcs, in the books puts the race as a race with tendency of evil alligment, but not all orcs are evil (but the majority are and the rest ar most neutral than good) so it can be a couple orc-human, but is rare, the problems are that, lots of ppl think that the orcs are all evils like chromatic dragons and are *ssholish SA stereotypes

Smoky sounds like she was a big fan of high fantasy slice-of-life anime, which is all well and good, but not what one comes to DnD for.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

Would be very helpful to advertise her game as such instead of letting them feel starving for conventional adventures.

Regarding why any woman would want to marry an orc: there's a reason the phrase "Hung like an orc" came into existence 😀

For the Orc story, the reason why he didn’t say that they was anything he could think of that the player needed to know was because he assumed the player was as racist as he was, or otherwise just wanted to spring it in the players as some sort of power move.

@hannahtrammell9423

6 ай бұрын

My God the deep seated anxiety around miscegenation in that story

@hannahtrammell9423

6 ай бұрын

The fapping is awful but that's what really struck me/gave me the most secondary anxiety

@marc-andrepotheret6929

6 ай бұрын

c'mon... imagine telling to someone that you're a "racist" concerning orcs in LOTR for example. I don't know how it works for Dnd but, if in DM's mind Orcs are litteraly like that, he has no reason to change it. Even if a newest version of the race description exist in recent editions. i'm more like a warhammer player and to be honest some lore was in my opinion better in 1st or 2nd edition than it is on the 4th. You know what I dare play "my warhammer" the way I like it. If Cubicle7, GW or whatever create some "friendly Orks" I will gladly ignore this shit.

@bayardkyyako7427

6 ай бұрын

​@@marc-andrepotheret6929He's not racist because he calls orcs savage rapists, he's a racist because he let it slip that he uses woke unironically, anyone who does that is just a racist straight up, only Nazis, pedos and conspiracy theorists say that in full seriousness.

@shadenox8164

6 ай бұрын

@@marc-andrepotheret6929 Except it's not even new, even in the old books groups like the Drow and Orcs had outliers, people who defected from their cultures. There's a reason it was never "always chaotic/lawful evil" they switched between law and chaotic at one point. Also to my knowledge though it mentions orcs produce a lot of offspring this rape thing seems to be head canon the only thing I can seem to find is that in 1st edition "they were willing to breed with anything" and had slaves. No mention of them doing that with the slaves. It seems like one of those things people just assumed on their own and treated it as canon.

Last Story: I kind of wish someone from that group had run Smokey through that exact same sort of scenario, to see what she would do if given zero combat or direction and was just like, "You're in a forest with no threats anywhere on your way to a city. What do you do?" I'm genuinely curious to see how that sort of campaign would go if it was reversed back onto her.

1st Story: The problem was lack of communication & not setting up clear boundaries. If the DM and rest of the party was fine with that type of content. Then go all out is fine. 2nd Story: That DM was a complete j3rk. 3rd Story: I would be fine with some aspects of that. But other aspects were problematic. I like mostly Exploration/Lore/Roleplaying type games, but could have included a little combat/drama/intrigue.

@offensivename11

6 ай бұрын

I dunno, it seems like "Don't jack it" should go without saying.

@morrigankasa570

6 ай бұрын

@@offensivename11 Ideally yes, but sometimes you need to clearly state things. Additionally, many people are horndogs/p3rvs so if it was a consensual group fap..... Then it wouldn't be a horror story posted.

@pippo17173

6 ай бұрын

​@offensivename11 ya like why even say that in a game.

@morrigankasa570

6 ай бұрын

@@pippo17173 Well if it had erotic themes and other mature content. Then you have to set boundaries & properly communicate things.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

​@@morrigankasa570Setting boundaries for stuff like what happened in the first story is like needing to set boundaries for not punching players or intentionally attempting ear damage through the mics. It was well beyond just a graphic description of in-game actions.

As a DM I tell folks that want to play as a Half-orc that the unions are typically non-consensual but not exclusively so. So if they want to have loving parents then that is entirely valid, but not the norm.

Current campaign I'm in playing a goblin in my friend's Homebrew world was made known to me that peeps didn't like gobs. I was fine with this as I can roll with punches and even came up with a way to 'hide' my identity, my character wore a cloak and I wore a hoodie irl until the reveal to my party. Till then, I was a short Orc, which were better accepted than goblins. Plus he tall for a goblin. Over a year now, its been great.

13.22 I'd hazard a guess that he thinks it's "How things are," and any who says differently is just trying to be 'woke'. He probably hasn't realsied that his attitude is the exception now, not the rule. Thus, he didn't tell OP because he assumed that OP 'knew' those things already, as in his head, they're 'standard' for orcs.

Who else but me misses the video game back drop

13:16 probably because the DM assumed that was something the player would know based on the way DM reacted.

Nothing Happens Story. Just inexperience really. A more experienced DM would have probably given the players a detailed verbal instruction from the king's herald on what to do at the Elven Court, how to greet the Queen, and exactly what to say to the Queen. Then sit back and watch the players forget some point of etiquette, one of the Queen's titles, or change up the words of the message. Thus causing some international incident that they then have to fix.

As a DM I have had problems remembering everything about character backstories, and I’ve tripped up from time to time. But I never make that the player’s problem. If someone tells me “oh actually it says this” then I’m fixing it. Once you send your backstory to the dm, then as long as you aren’t changing things behind the scenes it’s the dm’s responsibility to say something ahead of time or make it work. Even just ask in secret “hey can we do this with your character”. Don’t just tell someone their own backstory is wrong mid session.

As for the "orcs": in 3.5 they were described in the Monster Manual as "always chaotic evil", which even then meant that 95% of the race came from a cultural environment with this mindset. The remaining 5% have other mindsets. So the DM was talking rubbish here. What's more, the inventor of the orcs - J.R.R. Tolkien - had already created them that way. He was a devout Catholic and found the idea of an entire species beyond redemption deeply disturbing, which is why he portrayed them as touched and tainted by evil, but not as irredeemably and invariably corrupt. He had also written in the Battle of Death Mountain (which was unfortunately not taken up in the films) that representatives of all races had fought on both sides. In plain language, this means that orcs fought alongside humans and elves against Sauron. Just as a little side note, in case someone comes up with the same nonsense as this racist DM ;-)

@WhyYouMadBoi

6 ай бұрын

This culture came mainly from their deity Gruumsh who made them because he hated the elven and dwarven gods. It even says it in the monster manual and its "Often Chaotic evil"

@WhyYouMadBoi

6 ай бұрын

Also LOTR orcs are different from D&D orcs but do read about the many arrows tribe. They cool as fuck and was even in a Drizzt novel in a trilogy.

@MortusVanDerHell

6 ай бұрын

@@WhyYouMadBoi Yes, often. Sorry, this was my mistake. :) But I think it goes with my point. ^^

@bandwagonbuzzard1617

6 ай бұрын

To an extent. "Always" were chromatic dragons, outsiders, and others with an inherent tie to a source of that alignment. "Often" had a choice, but in their standard society would be that. So while the DM handled it like crap, NPCs not familiar with Orcs assuming they were "that kind of orc" would be fitting.

@MatrixRefugee

6 ай бұрын

If I recall, LotR Orcs started as Elves who had turned to the dark side, as it were, but there was always a glimmer of redemption and hope for them as a race, especially among their descendants who were as fed up with Sauron and his crap as every other reasonable person of any race in Middle Earth.

OBJECTION! Happy is a good song, cancel me

I played multiple sessions like Smokey's game. Our DM was very excited about the world but I think it got ahead of balanced combat and varied storytelling. We did try telling the DM to challenge the party and such but it was the same travel and fight (low lvl monsters vs lvl 15).

#2 sounds like a 'only Advanced D&D is true D&D' guy. #3 "Hold up, I gotta take a shit." How's that Dungeon Master?

I’ve never been this early.

@megatronjenkins2473

6 ай бұрын

twss

@DriftingDestroyer98

6 ай бұрын

@@megatronjenkins2473 bonk

@megatronjenkins2473

6 ай бұрын

@@DriftingDestroyer98 lol

I suspect Smokey may have enjoyed a system like Golden Sky Stories more then dnd

the player was DSP

The title is wild lmfao

@DriftingDestroyer98

6 ай бұрын

WE GETTING OUT OF THE MONETIZATION ZONE WITH THIS ONE 🔥

Funny. In 1e/2e, orcs were barred from both the Barbarian AND Druid class, since neither really applied to them. Orcs worshipped war gods of slavery and conquest, and their industrial way of life, including mining, weaponsmithing, slavery, and building engines of war, meant that were NOT barbarians as understood by UA. In-game prejudice against orcs would absolutely exist in the world of 1e/2e, which is why full-blooded orcs weren't playable until the Humanoids splatbook, and PC half-orcs were assumed to be the 10% who could pass for human. D&D is a human-dominated world, after all, and classes are supposed to represent professional guilds. Modern players often don't fully appreciate the sociological assumptions behind the class-based system of D&D.

@jrytacct

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! An excellent and succinct analysis.

@Kanaleah

6 ай бұрын

This also most accurately reflects on Orcs of Lord of the Rings, which were the industrialist side of the war throughout. Orcs use more advanced technology despite being more brutal. They have rigid structures of hierarchy. I'm not sure where it flipped to where orcs were stupid, tribal and backwards, but that view killed all the cool parts of Orcs in LotR and early D&D.

@Thagomizer

6 ай бұрын

@@Kanaleah It was changed to that as of 3e, when orcs were changed from LE to CE, so the half-orc could have barbarian as a favored multi class, despite this never being the case in 1e and 2e. In 1e, when Assassins were still a thing, this was the "favored" multi class of half-orcs, which were the only race aside from humans that were allowed unlimited advancement in this class, and the only race which could multiclass in it. In 3e, half-orcs were changed into dumb brutes who sucked everything except for fighting; essentially changed into 2e half-ogres with a completely unjustified Intelligence penalty (WotC said in their FAQ that they felt this was more than outweighed by the Strength bonus, which means they can't imagine why anyone would play a half-orc for any reason other than starting off with a 20 Strength at 1st level). So half-orcs went from ugly and tragic anti-heroes to "dumb muscle". So when I tell people that half-orcs are one of my favorite races, I always have to specify that I'm talking about 1e/2e half-orcs, because their idea of what orcs and half-orcs actually are is foundationally different from mine. It's a shame, really, but WoTC has a habit of ruining my favorite D&D races, like tieflings, fensir, Girhzerai, etc.

The ork story made me think of Teal'c from SG1 and how cool a DND campaign set up like the show [in dnd setting] could be... [Edit if u havent seem the show, teal'c is a "bad guy" who rebels to help the SG1 team then joins them to help defeat the bad guys]

That first story is the reason why if I ever make a bard they will be aggressively celibate if not outright asexual. They will be married and just work as a traveling minstrel

Ok, as a former Bard main I’ve seen the horny Bard trope quite a lot but I’ve never seen a player actually play into it IRL.

$5 that dude equates orcs with black people

He gets a freaking 32 xD

I'm pretty sure orcs not having to be evil predates WotC even buying D&D. As well, orcs and other "monster types" being playable goes back to at least the Gygax era of AD&D first edition. Old school D&D did tend to have more strict alignments in the rules as written, but even then it was made clear that men were monsters, too. They are literally in the monster manual. There were plenty of supplements and stories in Dragon Magazine and the like for playing orcs, kobolds, and the like. And they had extended lore in the Monster Manual and Deities and Demigods. All that was expanded on a lot in 2nd Edition AD&D, again long before WotC even was around to buy it. WotC did make the idea of a more lax alignment more explicit, decrying the idea of an entire species adhering to one alignment. It was a sentiment previously expressed, but now it was in the main rulebooks. This was back in the 3.0 days, though. Well over 20 years ago. And, of course, there were now expanded rules in the main books on how to make PCs of literally any kind of creature by giving them class levels. So basically the OP in the orc story was absolutely correct. It was never stated that half orcs, who IIRC were playable even in original D&D, were the product of force. Some people just chose to interpret it that way. And it was more explicit that this was not the case in subsequent materials, long before any of the events referred to in the "they went woke" occurred. As far as that goes, D&D is actually more like Star Trek, in that there were always themes of inclusion and liberal, maybe even leftist, ideas in the standard materials, to say nothing of the expansions. Like Star Trek, there were also things people in later decades objected to and changed. Some of them some people do not think needed to be changed, but none of that was even important anyway. Orcs being capable of doing good was not a part of that because that was already a thing.

Mature setting doesn't always mean sexual. If you wanna do something like that, you need to talk it over in a session zero. Don't make assumptions like that.

Arent Grey Orcs, the lesser "evil" and playable Orcs for quite some time, in Faerun?

I'm all with op on orc story. Yes ape is part of it but not all orc tribes are the same thus we have orcs not all evil and some are casters.

Okay, note to all DMs: A high roll DOES NOT MEAN an automatic success. Not even on a 20. All that means, is they get the best POSSIBLE outcome. If the best outcome is that they don't die on the spot, then that's the outcome they get. If someone says "I want to seduce the npc" and you don't want them to do so for whatever reason you might have, you can let them roll. But that doesn't mean they get to fuck the npc. Maybe it just means the npc is more flattered than offended, or maybe they're still very offended and kinda grossed out, but decide a firm "No." is a sufficient alternative to a lightning bolt enema. Story #2: Were you playing in the Forgotten Realms or in Mississippi?

Yes yes I know - you're tired of me writing this (except Doge I hope) but look at Simba's face. That cute cute adorable face. How can you not like and subscribe. The second story - well I hope that DM decides to get into writing. That might be the best thing for her.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

I think you got the second and third story mixed up. Second was anti-orc DM, third was girl wanting fairy forest kingdom audience.

@vortega472

6 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan How embarrassing, you are correct, it was the third story. I think I was just trying to chase the flap story out of my mind.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

@@vortega472 It happens, and your motive is INCREDIBLY understandable. Some channels make it trickier with intro stories that are technically not the first story.

1st story: I believe unwanted in-game SA can be considered verbal harassment, and this goes beyond in-game. I could tolerate everything beforehand, particularly since DM already had NPC captain seduce a player character cleric. 2nd story: This went beyond simply not informing player about unwanted racism and instead telling thrm how their character should behave just because of character options nobody else was judged for, honestly one if my biggest pet peeves in tabletop horror stories. Though this story makes me want to play an eldritch knight or warlock orc version of Ganon from The Legend of Zelda series (particularly based on the weapon wielding pig wizard or Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf), probably with character based on my twisted view of the lore where Ganon is the good guy and the conventionsl heroes are duped by a manipulative entity. 3rd story: Definitely lighter than average and could work for a group that wants a less adventerous game that relies on roleplay without conflict. Makes me think of campaign sessions about in-game festival activities with gameplay mechanics. Could becthe basis if a one-shot roleplaying a day at the rennaisance fair where players take part in performances and sports, playing games with abilities or roleplaying with staff on a quest.

The ork story, even back in 3.5 it was only people distrust orks. It was never that bad. The op's character would have been fine, as they had backstory tieing them in to area, and the rest of the party with them. Guards and such would be more "Well I haven't heard anything bad about you, and I trust the character of those your with, so ok." At worst.

That last DM would have done better with Vampire: The Masquerade or something else more sosial centered game. And even in those just long travel gets boring, as I learned when trying to run Around the World in 80 Days -themed Vampire game (not bad enought for a horror story, the game just died out when the simple act of travelling got tiresome)

The closest Orcs would get to SA realistically is that I imagine Orc woman are attracted to strong men, and as such if you can prove your strength, usually by defeating them in a fight, then they're likely to take an interest in you.

Honestly the Smokey story was cute.

I love when people complain about “wokeness”, because they’re announcing to everyone they aren’t very smart or worth listening to

Samurai Jack... ... ...off

Okay the first story is... something for sure. So right off the bat the dude is creepy for hitting on NPCs... after the DM had an NPC described as a "domineering sugar mommy" hit on and seduce a player character? I smell some double standards. Not excusing what the bard ended up doing but OP isn't a saint either and calling the bard creepy for wanting to attract a partner with music after doing that is just not fair.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

I'm guessing OP is letting hindsight paint previous behavior as worse than it was. Like everything that guy did should have been warnings for trying to graphically describe an encounter while audibly pleasuring himself.

Lol if a game with mature themes means ppl expect erp. Ima label all my games pg.

I genuinely didn't know you could play as an Orc and thought they are all savage brutes, just like the guy from the story. I guess I was wrong.

@kaylawoodbury2308

6 ай бұрын

Well yeah, for as long as 3e/3.5e at least, its stated in the rules that the monster blocks and race alignments are just guidelines and suggestions, not requirements. It encourages you to change whatever you want including not playing with inherently evil races and monsters.

@jrytacct

6 ай бұрын

In my campaigns, you would be correct. But, that's stated in the House Rules Document and players are told this explicitly before they create any characters.

I just started watching the video 🤦🏽... if the Orc thing is what I think it is, I'mma be mad. Edit: *_THAT RACIST PIECE OF SHI-!!! 😤😤_*

A case of Mature content not being the same as Adult content.

@Enclavefakesoldier

6 ай бұрын

That's what I said in my head. Mature content is not sexually explicit content.

The DM in the first story is partially at fault. Letting players roll to convince NPCs to do something they would never ever do is not player agency, it's how DMs enable bad behavior. If a player wants to convince NPCs into incestual casual group sex, a nat 20 should mean that the NPCs find the attempt flattering or think it's a joke and don't instantly become disgusted/hostile. You're the DM. If a player wants to roll a die, fine, but they don't get to decide what is possible in your world, you do.

@morrigankasa570

6 ай бұрын

If the rest of the group/DM agreed to that type of content, then it's fine to go all out with that stuff. The problem is merely lack of communication and not setting up clear boundaries.

@derekbowen5820

6 ай бұрын

@@morrigankasa570 I'm not referring to the content specifically. I'm referring to the attitude that both DMs and players can hold that a d20 roll can make a NPC do anything. You can have a game with mature content allowed, but if an NPC is a monogamous faithfully married man (as an example), no skill check is gonna make that NPC sleep with a player character. This would be no different than the PC walking into a throne room for a kingdom they've never visited before and convincing the king name them successor. It isn't happening even if you roll a 21 on your d20, yet some DMs feel like they have to go along with such an absurd idea.

@morrigankasa570

6 ай бұрын

@@derekbowen5820 It depends on the NPCs specifically. If was the loyal married man situation then yes shouldn't grant success. However, if the NPCs are single and don't have any factors like that. Then it is plausible that they can be seduced. Look at real life, someone gets dazzled/charmed by the glitz & glamour of Fame or Wealth or Attractiveness or drink to excess/get high, they end up doing things they later regret. As for D&D/Fantasy World the DM creates the world, and if they don't want/have hard limits then anything can be possible.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

I'm guessing the DM decided those specific NPCs could be seduced with good rolls. The only reason it became a problem was the player audibly pleasuring himself while graphically describing the encounter. If that part hadn't happened, it'd just be another day in a game with mature content.

@derekbowen5820

6 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I took the author's words "with a cringe I allowed it" to imply that the DM felt obligated to allow the player to have this potential outcome though they didn't want it in their game. Otherwise, if they pre-determined this was possible, why the cringe? The audio part hadn't happened yet, so it's not that.

Story 1: .... Okay that's fucked up. Banning on the spot what the right move. Seriously, wtf?! Story 2: ... Okay, that one *pisses me off* . Putting aside the aberration of orcs somehow being not civilized enough to learn the art of "hitting people with various weapons", but apparently still capable of learning the vastly more complex practice of casting spells and nature knowledge, I absolutely hate the stereotypical portrayal of Orcs as one-dimensional evil SA-er and raiders, and think fleshing them out was one of the best thing that was done with them in recent fiction. And I equally despise people who complain about "woke" stuff. Add in the railroading and the sheer non-respect of not even bothering to read your players' character sheet, and we got a horrible very punchable DM confirmed. I am glad his campaign fall apart and got taken over by someone who did it better. Story 3: Mhm.... a bit weird, but overall harmless. She made the players a bit bored for one session and "got it out of her system". Guess that's better than nothing.

The first story lines out why I outright state that sexual content is a no go for my games. We're not here to play out your sexual fantasies with you. The second story only has an issue where the GM didn't explain that people don't like orcs in his setting and that orcs are considered evil, and crude. It's not only how I run orcs but when players bring up the desire to play half-orcs I tell them from the start that they might have issues dealing with some NPCs because orcs are not viewed in a good light by the most people. So they might not respect half-orcs as highly as others and it will raise your difficulty to convince or befriend certain people because of the negative feelings about orcs. Just because the new current thing says that orcs can be this or that doesn't mean that you have to play it that way. The GM just needs to explain this reality from the start, which, at least according to this story, this GM failed to do when the character was being made.

You left off some of the story at 10:14.

As someone says something is woke just leave nothing is going to be enjoyable.

I can understand having a race have a culture that is predominatly a raiding culture, but there will always be exceptions to the rule. if thats a trait of your dnd world, then that just means you need to tell your player and your player has to be creative, and come up with an interesting reason why it isnt so for them. also, just because people have predjiduces, dosnt mean that the predjiduce is correct. manny times, it is a gross exsageration of the truth. if people are scared of something, they often make things more scary than they actually are through their tellings of the same story. i can see the whole Orc being a raiding culture, therefor people are suspicious thing working, and if you have a mature themes sort of game then yeah that story beat can work even if i find it something i wouldnt want to focus on. but the moment the orc player started wearing a disguise, he should have dropped it, because its no fun for anyone if youre haveing to get attacked every few seconds because of something that the dm just happened to think he didnt have to tell the player. Those sort of things are interesting Character/challenge/role play moments, but lose whats interesting about them when its every dern second of the game. personaly i would have him use cleaver ways to disguise himself, and reward him for playing outside of the box, and keep the racism to an annoyed grumbling unless something crazy happened, or a particularily agreegious character, that i wanted my party to hate (cause that seems to be a big trigger with my dnd group XD i cant tell you how manny times some eleitist got punched in the face and weve only played a couple of games lol some getting punched multiple times) strolls up and gets a licking, but allways for the benefit of the story, never just to beat up on a character. thats no fun. i dont even see how its fun for the dm, cause i cant think of any easier way to derail a story.

Maybe I'm just spiteful but there's no way I'd rejoin that game from the orc story, even with a different DM. If the other players stuck around through all that then I know they don't have standards for conduct and won't keep the table's fun (as opposed to just their own) in mind. If I was in a game where one player is getting shat on like this for their race (fantasy or not), there's no way I'm going to just sit back and wait for it to be over and then keep playing like nothing happened.

@seto_kaiba_

6 ай бұрын

Eh seems a bit too "guilt by association"-y but I can see why your desire to play DnD might be diminished after that. Also, comparing in game to real life racism is a bad comparison. This DM was a dick but there is a world of difference between being an actual racist and hating a fantasy race.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

Sounded like they were friends before "that guy" became temporary DM, so abandoning them all over one bad game seems like overkill. Personally, I'd be more spiteful and tell everyone, "Call me when a new game with a better DM is available."

I had a very similar experience from the second story. My friends are rather... traditional in their views so they very much refused to acknowledge any non-human/elf, let alone monster race as people. To say it was stressful would be an understatement.

@ArcCaravan

6 ай бұрын

Sounds either incredibly boring or demanding racism roleplay. Either way would probably discourage people from playing creatively. I know I wouldn't like it.

God. I think to, that Orcs are barbaric and that probally most half orcs are greated in contection to there lifestile of raiding other places. But, its bs to say, that they can not have fighters. Fighter is the basic class, that dont has any special requirement to obtain it. Like a certain life stil, way of action or be born special. Its not even cover specific teachings like by rouges or ranger. Barbarian is fitting a Orc more. But nothinh speak again fighter. And even, when i think to, that Orcs are forcefully reproducing (they are raiding, has the strongest desire to reproduce and are ok with every female, except elves), is it even not impossible, to have normal relationship between human and Orc. Nearly similary to Thral and Jaina from WoW. Who had at last a friendly relationship for a long time. The GM was simply narrowminded to the Orcs. And should have been more openly, that the race didnt fit as a Player chara in his setting (probally had he not thinked that fare at that point)

I'm always a bit skeptical about these stories. They can come across as very opinionated at times especially when the poster is makes assumptions about what everyone is thinking. "We all thought x, everyone was feeling y." with little to no context. Just give your own perspective.

story 2: sounds like the gm is racist.

If their is anything I hate it is how people perceive Orcs. I think stories that make Species you wouldn't expect to be heroes. So yeah the Orc horror story kinda grinds my gears.

Story 1: EWWWWWWWW

I understand maybe not wanting to hurt Smokey's feelings, but that's honestly kinda crappy how they handled it. Nobody spoke up with polite but constructive criticism? That sucks. Keeping secrets from people who might not be all there upstairs isn't cool.

What an immature concept of “mature themes”

The moment someone calls DND woke, or really, call anything at all woke, you can aafely ignore their opinions and existence

Don’t take this the wrong way but your voice sounds like Yandere Dev 💀💀💀