When that silly DM mentioned how he felt it unnecessary to deal with homosexuality in a Fantasy setting, it sounds like a conversation they should have had during session zero.

@simonO712

9 ай бұрын

This! Like, why even approve of the character if he was going to do this? He also could have, you know, just not dealt with his homosexuality as that was a pretty minor part of his character :P

@stevenhiggins3055

9 ай бұрын

The real kicker is, the DM didn't have to "deal with" anything, all he had to do was not make that specific character the target of affection from every FemNPC the party met. There were other members who would likely have gladly taken up the offers if he really wanted that plot point.

@idr121

Ай бұрын

@@stevenhiggins3055 Sounds like repressed homosexuality from the DM's part, to want to put himself in the "woman's position" to have sex with the gay guy.

**stares into Simba's eyes** all hail the hypnocat

@Shane-hx4xp

9 ай бұрын

Good news everyone!

@mondenkindqueen

9 ай бұрын

All glory to the hypnocat!

@ilexgarodan

9 ай бұрын

All glory to the hypnocat!

@DomsGamingSquad

9 ай бұрын

Yesh... All hail the hypnomoch! ~[~w~]~

Guarantee after first op's talk with the DM, DM turned around and told the others op wanted graphic gay sex in the setting and made some sour complaint about "making being gay his whole personality.". These types of homophobes are broken records, always saying the same rhetoric, too cowardly to just say they're homophobic so they bend over backwards to either pretend gay people don't exist or make themselves out to be the real victims somehow.

@Derginator

9 ай бұрын

If you point out they cram heterosexuality down people’s throats and do the same behavior they’re upset with they just cognitive dissonance it away as okay cause “It’s normal” or some shit

@simonO712

9 ай бұрын

They're also projecting to such a degree that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so widespread. Like going "I won't make a gay orgie for you" when _he's_ the only one who keeps bringing up sex. Edit: Fixed a spelling error

@kaylawoodbury2308

9 ай бұрын

@@simonO712 Oh yeah, it's a huge indicator of someone being a homophobe, to sexualize gay peoples existence. That's why so many see a same sex couples doing innocuous couple things like holding hands, giving quick pecks on the cheek or simply talking about their SO in a normal "Me and my husband saw -insert movie- last night" way and lose their shit. Going on and on about how it's inappropriate and children shouldn't be exposed to gay sex and blah blah blah. Because it's referred to as a "sexuality" that somehow makes everything they do sexual in nature, because they can't stop themselves from thinking about same sex couples sexually they deem their very existence inappropriate.

@GreenGhostGalahad

9 ай бұрын

This was the dumbest and most convoluted statement ever made.... Yes, 9 times out of 10 gay people make being gay their whole personality. Just the sheer fact that someone thinks being gay is a personality trait proves that. They use it as a sheild to try and protect themselves from any sort of criticism.

@kaylawoodbury2308

9 ай бұрын

@@GreenGhostGalahad The only one treating it like a personality trait are people like you who just don't want to know gay people exist and would like everyone to just stay in the closet for your convenience. Also, please learn what convoluted means because that ain't it fam. You people seriously can't even handle someone simply saying "I'm gay/lesbian." without losing your shit like someone just slapped you across the face. If someone is flirting with me, yeah I'm going to tell them I'm asexual so they *stop flirting with me* , that's not suddenly "making it my personality" just because its inconvenient for you and you're in your feelings over the rejection.

I as a DM avoid sexual stuff if I can help it. Players can flirt but I shut them down when they want to describe sexual acts. It is fade to black or nothing. I do allow sexual innuendo but I do keep it from tangent territory. I have had to tell players to knock it off or I take experience. I only had to players try and argue with me when I said stop and they kept going. One said he didn't hear me when my yelling at the players to stop was met with everyone getting silent. The other said I was targeting him when I gave him four chances to stop in the same thirty minutes.

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

I hear you. It just drags the story down instead of moving the plot forward 99.99% of the time.

@Bertranddeghaul

9 ай бұрын

As a DM I run strictly 18+ player age games and for me it really depends on the player group, and how mature ppl are. I have had a girl in a group (vampire the darkages) who actually seduced and had a steaming erotic scene with a male NPC (erotic not pornographic basically the camera angled away at the moment it got a bit too steamy think nudity, but no closeup of the action kinda shots if it where a film) she initiated it and it was perfectly in character and fitting for the situation. We both where quite aware it was just acting and just a scene (like in a Hollywood film) and it added to the whole. The fact that she is gay irl and i'm a guy the NPC was also a male (she was a prostitute type character) made it a bit surprising to the whole group who sat at the tip of their chairs, well I got to say it worked. The other players where surprised but no one objected probably because the way it was done so yeh it happened but there is a big difference between making a porno and making a erotic/romantic scene. Also its not something I would do with just any group or player I had been DM'ing this group over a year at that point. She proposed it to me in a small note asking if I was ok doing it, within "limits" and I got to say it worked. Such scenes can contribute to a story, but they shouldn't be a every session kinda thing or even with any regularity. At other times, when she (or others) had such a scene I have glossed it over, because its not interesting to me to repeat steps (think the difference between rolling or playing out a social interaction some stuff is more a waste of time then story contribution) It has happened with other players over the last 20 yrs as wel, Also I do insist if such a thing happens its always motivated by the story and not just for the sake of it... because its not why we play the game, but like in a film I don't think its absolutely taboo within strict and clear awareness who everyone is IC and OOC, and that this is purely and only in character and fully consensual. As long as everyone is "comfortable and mature" about it I have no problem with it BUT that said, its something to be careful with. The fact she did get the PAX unanimously (player awarded XP) a system I use to let players give a bonus xp point (vampire doesn't give as much XP as d&d) to the player who did the best roleplay that session also told me ppl where cool with it.

@Akalim

9 ай бұрын

Exactly! I'm gonna dm a campaign, I sent out the consent form I pulled off the internet, but put in big bold letters "regardless of what's selected on the consent form, there will be no sexual activity. It'll either fade to black or not come up at all"

@Bertranddeghaul

9 ай бұрын

​@@Akalim as the late great Terry Pratchet once wrote.. there is a difference between erotic and kinky.. its the difference of using a feather or using the entire chicken. The rest he wisely leaves to the imagination but I do like to think it refers to marquis de Sade and his story about the duck...and the cupboard/dresser.* *(if you don't know that one its highly entertaining to shock people with at parties although not going to reiterate the entire thing but... lets say that according to the marquis the greatest joy was to be "entertaining oneself with a duck..(entertain as in the biblical sense) then to break its neck in a dresser at the moment supreme... and let the spasms of its death do the trick.......)

Only staying open till 5 for a gamestore is tantamount to going out of business. The gamestore I used to go to had varying hours, depending on season, but he was always open late on wednesdays, fridays and saturdays (wednesdays are a half day in school in my country, so kids are free to do whatever they want in the afternoon). Didn't close until 8 in winter and around 11 or so in summer. He wasn't open in the morning, though. He didn't open up shop until around noon. Sounds like the owner in the horror story was either lazy or just really, really didn't know what kind of store he was running and how to keep his customers happy and properly serviced.

The aristocrat-story: a lot of nobility married only for political connections. After the wedding they never shared a room together and found lovers wherever they wanted.

@ScarabD

9 ай бұрын

Yeah sure but I think we all know that's probably not the actual logic for the GM, just a convenient excuse.

@PMbarbieri

9 ай бұрын

Op said his character was escaping the aristocratic lifestyle, so he wouldn’t be interested in a political marriage. This was just a stupid excuse.

@sunzi42

9 ай бұрын

@@ScarabD Yes, you are totally right. I mentioned the fact about political marriage, because "the aristocrat" could have used it against the DM and his disgusting plans of homphobia.

@sunzi42

9 ай бұрын

@@PMbarbieri Yes, "the aristocrat" could have married just to get property and influence, stuff that could hav been used for intrigue and plot. Since OP never thought about it, OP was probably not fully aware of the concept aristocracy and nobility.

@PMbarbieri

9 ай бұрын

@@sunzi42 Probably, or he was just annoyed at the DM trying to force him into a heterosexual situation for the nth time.

The one who said they can astral project and spend their nights traveling with Loki sounds like the most normal of the people in Liches_Be_Crazy’s story

*Groan* Okay seriously, WHY do so many homophobs think gay equal wanting to have a lot of sex?! If you can have a story with hetero relationships without showing the actual sex then surely you can do the same with gay relationships!

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

Let me introduce you to the DM's and Players that want to do graphic sexual encounters in excruciating detail. This happens a lot when they have a particular fetish they like. So a lot of people associate anything out of their ordinary with wanting it to be the primary focus. Not saying it's right. Just saying it is the perception.

@Antsaboy94

9 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 If only DM had perceived the part that stated _"his sexuality wasn't really relevant"_ in OP's character sheet.

@starbird3939

9 ай бұрын

Homophobes think that queer folks like lots of sex because they already believe if we have committed one terrible “sin” (not found in the bible), then we must be doing ALL OF THE SINS. See bisexuals and people thinking we fuck anything. No, we are not attracted to everyone, we are just capable of being attracted to a person-regardless of their gender or sex. That’s like telling a straight dude that he must be attracted to all women (including babies and grandmas) because he’s straight.

@GreenGhostGalahad

9 ай бұрын

Ummm, maybe because being gay solely revolves around sex, I mean considering being gay is literally a sexual preference and nothing more then that? It's not a personality trait.

@madhatterine2805

9 ай бұрын

@@GreenGhostGalahad So if I make an asexual character, that somehow revolves around sex too? Or, fun question, if I make my character straight, that means, I want straight orgies?

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who are hostile to even the thought of gay people existing. I don't get it personally. Why would I care who you do or don't have sex with as long as they're of legal age? I've been playing D&D since the BASIC set came out, and sex has only been a factor in one campaign -- and that was a single event and setting up a future Big Bad.

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

Similar. It just never came up a whole lot. And I played for years with young horny sailors when I was in the Navy. And it was barely ever mentioned. I do think it is a very small minority that actually push for graphic sex of any kind in TTRPG's. But they are the ones every one talks about, so we have a higher awareness of those games in proportion to games that never feature sex at all.

@pippo17173

9 ай бұрын

Most of these people I chalk it up to two things. 1) They still live in the old days where its banned and its a sin to do so. or 2) They are just gatekeeping the LGBT agenda and doesn't want any of the woke stuff in their games. Really ether of the two is basically what happen here.

@j.jbinks9669

9 ай бұрын

No issue with you existing, just exist over there away from me is all.

@fred_derf

9 ай бұрын

@@j.jbinks9669, writes _"No issue with you existing, just exist over there away from me is all."_ If that's the case it's on you to remove yourself from any situation where a gay person is, not tell them they can't be there. BTW: Why do you care? Are you afraid that "gayness" is contagious? Or is it that gay people stir up feelings in your loins that you find uncomfortable or unwanted?

@theimperviousfirecracker7934

8 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf that's the point they're making. It's not their thoughts they're just repeating things homophobes have said before.

"Which of these are real?" "Say that again, but slowly."

To add to the weird gameshop stories There was one time where me and my group were playign in a store and the store owner had to come in to ask us to leave for a bit while they dealt with something. Apparently, a couple were having sex in one of the game rooms, and the cops were being called because some poor kid walked in on them.

@travisbishop782

9 ай бұрын

Fuck! That poor kid.

@greeninja5991

9 ай бұрын

What in the world....

@stupididiot4034

9 ай бұрын

*WHAT!?*

Imagine if the first DM had spent the entire session trying to get the straight guys to have gay sex and then realize he wouldn't understand why it'd hypocritical to be like 'ew that would be gross'

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

If the DM didn't Reason themselves into this, YOU AIN'T reasoning them out of it.

@seto_kaiba_

9 ай бұрын

Tbf, I'm straight but that scenario sounds fun. See how long I can avoid dick. lol.

@science_bear

9 ай бұрын

Straight people are hypocrites. It’s in their nature

That GURPS GM actually caused me to take psychic damage. Fun system that lets you do nearly anything, but, your GM needs to know what they're doing. For the record, a skill of 12 is plenty for baseball.

At my brother in laws house and I was in aww at the almighty Simba super close-up! Praise be, Simba the grand! Story 1: Whoa! Hostile DM! Story 2: Da heck DM! Story 3: What da heck? Story 3A: Wow.

Now that I think about it, I don't have gay bars either. But I must have send a mixed messages with my npc's: Sirgay, Vladislave, Gayorgy and Taver owner Richard that introduced himself as Dick.

Second story: I suspect the DM was under the impression that they'd come up with a super-epic and clearly interesting start to the story and was having a tantrum because the players not remembering a little detail from the first session implies they didn't seem to share this belief. A more reasonable DM would have given a few clues and prompts about it and maybe let the players have a history roll or int save for a few more detailed reminders. I've seen a few game-stores reduce the numbers of evenings and weekends that they're open for a then wonder why all the customers are going elsewhere.

The cat close ups always make me smile

For those that don’t know what the term high functioning means. It means I’m on the autism spectrum but I don’t have a severe enough case that I’m unable to speak coherently .our not be capable that form complete thoughts.

@draconicfeline6177

Ай бұрын

I think that it's a valid descriptor that captures what "low support" is trying to describe. Sadly we live in a society that is only just starting to appreciate neuroatypicals beyond the threshold of 'normal'

19:39 oh come on, the creepy and sad parts are the reasons we watch these videos.

The moral to these stories is players need to interview the DM before joining, more than the DM needs to interview players before letting them join. DM's are typically the problem players of these horror stories...if they aren't causing the trouble themselves they allow the bad player's behavior to continue. The DM has all the power.

@KalinTheZola

8 ай бұрын

The issue is the guy seemed cool with it. Having a session zero and actually communicating would be the fixer for this. I don't think the problem players are mostly DM's. The problem players are often those who don't want to or can't communicate. I've probably heard more horror stories of bad players than DM's actually.

That "by the book" DM missed all the parts of the book that encourage you to make stuff up

Is it wrong I now want Den of the Drake to do the Game Store Crazies stories?

I don’t get why some still firmly associate being gay (or any other orientation) with being a pervert. Like come on, it’s not rocket science. Different people are different.

Total Chad of a DM

Yeah, f that DM in the first story.

Awe. I wanted to hear what mouthy did to go to prison. I mean, if it was creepy in nature, then he seemingly got his comeuppance.

Love the air quotes you made with your ears😂

I’m here mere seconds from upload that’s pretty cool, these stories be wild and make me glad I have the group I have. Maybe I’ll share stories someday.

The fact that OP mentioned his character is gay in backstory, but didnt like parade it around like hes a stereotypical bard but was strongarmed into situations that served no purpose other than idiot DM personal bs says a lot. Like some have suggested, session zero should have been where things were handled.

The boy asking which monsters are real gave me an idea: A monste manual that contains only real life wildlife. Because you sometimes need that. But I bet that already exists.

@KnightsRealm98

9 ай бұрын

There's quite a few (could be more, honestly) normal and/or large versions of animals in the back of the Monster Manual, along with normal people.

@moritzlinden7169

9 ай бұрын

@@KnightsRealm98 Well, yes, of course. I was thinking of one with ONLY real beings.

What a blessed way to wake up

About the first story: I’ve experienced that IRL…talk about a horror story! But about the game, the Madam asked him to spend the night but she didn’t specify sex. Similarly political marriages don’t have to be based on sex, especially if neither is expected to produce an heir. These are technicalities but technicalities matter. Also, why did the noble invite them to dinner? That attracts attention to his effort to hide something embarrassing.

Tho the door detection wand was kinda funny "TAKE THIS! HYAAAGH!" ✨️*theres a locked door 3 floor beneaþ you*✨️"well crap"

D&D is a fantasy game. You can be whatever you want. Why would anyone care about whether your character being gay?

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

Karen's gotta Karen. And we all have things we care about that others find trivial and think is none of our business.

@science_bear

9 ай бұрын

It’s because straights are dishonest hypocrites.

story 1: story 1: During session 0, Bro mentioned "aristocratic connections" to OP, and it immediately made sense to me. Firstly, there were numerous ways he could have incorporated OP's background without involving a romantic relationship. Secondly, it should have been expected that OP wouldn't suddenly change their sexuality. This leads me to my final point: why did the DM choose this plotline? I assume the reason the DM tried to retcon OP's sexuality was because they wanted to stick to their plan, but they should have considered this beforehand and not acted so harshly when OP declined. Honestly, it feels pointless. It seems like the only reason they did this was because they didn't want OP's character to be gay, even though it didn't have to be a crucial aspect of the story.

that's so annoying, it's only a sexuality if it's gay, so frustrating.

I hame a pretty simple game store horror story. There is a small one that opened in town and I did spend a pretty penny for a little while. However, he has been posting transphobic, alt-right, ableist via eugenetics, and zoophilia posts on his Twitter account. Welp! I don't feel comfortable joining any games he might host as a genderqueer neurodivergent person with quirky characters and it's back to Amazon for my TTRPG fix. There was a tabletop gaming event in town and I knew the guy would be there, so I wore a pro-trans rights shirt as passive petty revenge. He didn't react to the shirt, but I got compliments from the event goers and my DM for DCC is a transperson. She and the rest of my party loved my group of hillbillies, especially one named Scooter (RiP Scooter).

I'm fortunate that my Local Game Store is pretty cool and has a good community, only having a couple of horror stories. One involving an overly sensitive player getting offended at everyone for every little thing "You shouldn't call your friend stupid! It's not ok!" and during a D&D session a friend was running she was constantly disruptive, apparently wanting absolute silence during her turn. She didn't come back, as the store owner had the insight to make sure she was ok but informed her mom she might need to supervise her daughter. The only other one being a different friend of mine having a bit of an unsavory reputation and a sore loser at Magic the Gathering, having once gotten upset at another player for some tactic that I don't know of (but was very game legal), claiming it was uncool and his outburst, while not severe, was enough to have the employees tell him "You don't need to be that way with people playing the game how it's able to be played." He refuses to play MtG with this player even when there is no one else to play with, and when he tried to start DMing at the store, he was declined and he said (paraphrase) "Just because of how I act in one hobby won't dictate another." as if he won't blow up on someone using a high level spell the way it's supposed to be, especially since he admits he's a bit of a railroady DM, wanting to replicate the story of Final Fantasy 7 with very little leeway.

@yourface2464

9 ай бұрын

Ff7? Really? I guess I shouldn't be surprised with that type of person Sheesh... Of all the stories to replicate

@thebolas000

9 ай бұрын

​@@yourface2464 I guess if you're going to railroad people, might as well use a story that starts with a train.

@StSubZero

9 ай бұрын

@@yourface2464 For added context, his ambition was to use some Final Fantasy d20 system that included the limit break thing from FF7, but even then railroading was the bigger issue; no one wants their character to be a stand-in for a popular pre-existing hero, nor do RPG players play by the script. I mentioned this to him and he seems to just assume people will be ok with it. If he ever gets the idea off the ground, I hope he is reminded "Plans never survive once players are involved" and doesn't yell at the players for not being Cloud Strife.

@StSubZero

9 ай бұрын

@@yourface2464 For added context, his ambition was to use some Final Fantasy d20 system that included the limit break thing from FF7, but even then railroading was the bigger issue; no one wants their character to be a stand-in for a popular pre-existing hero, nor do RPG players play by the script. I mentioned this to him and he seems to just assume people will be ok with it. If he ever gets the idea off the ground, I hope he is reminded "Plans never survive once players are involved" and doesn't yell at the players for not being Cloud Strife.

@yourface2464

9 ай бұрын

@@StSubZero yeeeaaaah Id love to hear how this one turned out tbh

Next up we need - SIMBA in 3D.

My problem in the first story is that the expectations of nobility (including marriage and producing an heir) compared to being gay and thus unable to do that in the way perhaps needed could have worked as a good story. If it wasn't just thrown onto OP's character with a whole bunch of other women trying to flirt with him. Building the issue up could have been good if it was done with more tact.

@draconicfeline6177

Ай бұрын

The thing is, being gay doesn't stop one from making an heir even in a low magic time. If the characters priorities align with that, they'll find a way. But if they value personal freedom it becomes intolerable.

@darklord884

Ай бұрын

@@draconicfeline6177 It still could have been done better than this, that being my point. Any conflict with which the character must contend can become interesting if done well. But that needs the GM to actually be looking to make a good story, instead of just exercising homophobia and an attempt at conversion.

Art school dropout starting a cult? History does repeat itself 😊

one of these days we are going to end up inside Simba's nose. ;p

I went to a LGS that were the scummiest people imaginable. They got in a fake Black Lotus, I told them to their face "this is fake", and they blithely sold it to someone for half price as "it might be fake".

From that puzzle story, it doesn't sound like the DM necessarily had some irl problem. From what the other player was saying to op, it seems like it happened a lot and it's strange to think that the other players wouldn't have talked to the DM before about irl problems. My guess is they're a bit of drama queen, as in their way of communicating their feelings is deleting the whole campaign and others were use to it. That's not the end of the world and it isn't wrong to bail if you don't want anything to do with that.

Aiya, what a ridiculous dm that was. I feel for the op. I have never had issues but it’s because I’m pretty out of the gate blunt about my sexuality. Also I know men get this type of harassment more due to my brother’s experience. But yeah, for me I’m usually out of the gate telling them to not bother with a romantic subplot or the like. I don’t mind some fade to black version for other players but I myself am within the asexual umbrella to enough of a degree that romantic subplots or the like hold absolutely little interest to me. As such, most of the characters I make are like this to varying degrees. Not all of course, but like 90% are. Even when they aren’t I still have a reason in which they would have a strong disinterest in a relationship, even a casual one. That aside, like I said, I get less harassment like op did since I’m perceived as female (technically NB). Even so, considering mine and my brother’s experience in the dnd community, I can say that the dm from the story is a minority, least from our experience. Most I have dm’s I have known are widely accepting and accommodating. In fact, most I have known tend to have a disinterest in having such a storybeat at all. Maybe this is just the bias of mine and my brother’s experience though. However I do hope OP finds a new game and has a good time there.

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

To be honest, marriage between nobles was never about romance anyway. It was about the power, prestige, and political position. Story arcs about this can add a lot of intrigue to a campaign. And romantic moments in it should be few and far between as they have little to do with the plot at all.

@mentalrebllion1270

9 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 as someone who is well researched about history I’m well aware of its use irl, however in storytelling it isn’t practical to use that logic as it’s not usually compatible for the players themselves, especially given that isn’t the current culture, for the most part, around marriage. So I stand by OP in this. Even if the dm wanted to use that logic it’s something they should have discussed with the player to make happen. What’s more, this type of behavior isn’t uncommon an experience by those in the lgbtq+ community. It may have been done under the guise of the game, but it’s still behavior that’s intent was to invalidate and bully the individual to not be what they are and suppress it in unhealthy ways for the sake of the palate of those around them. As such, I’m not sure how the old system and mentality around marriage among nobles has any relevance to here or my comment. Apologies on being harsh but I really don’t get what you are trying to say and any way I can think of you meaning doesn’t feel like your intent was in any good faith. Again, I do apologize if this comes off harsh but the tone of the comment did anger me, whether that was your intent or not. If you would like to clarify you intent I would welcome that. Unless of course my suspicion as to your motives for saying what you have is correct. If that is the case then I would rather be left ignorant so I am not disappointed.

@davidtherwhanger6795

9 ай бұрын

@@mentalrebllion1270 My intent was not to anger. I have used noble marriage, and in some cases just marriage, as parts of the plots I have run. My point about it here is that the DM made a big mistake in wanting OP's character to marry the noble's daughter. It was a mistake because for one it forces DM's personal bias. But also because it would not have happened. Nobles are interested in power, prestige, and political position. Giving your daughter to a low ranking adventurer gets you none of that. So it doesn't even make sense in a historic context. So DM wrong on the big point of taking player agency for no good reason. And wrong on the minor point of using a historical context poorly.

@mentalrebllion1270

9 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 I appreciate your clarification and thank you for it as I didn’t really want to be angry about it. The clarification does put my mind at ease and makes your comments more understandable. So thank you.

@stevenhiggins3055

9 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Phe thing about this story is, it seems the OP's character left the aristocracy because he wanted more out of life that his duties would allow, not necessarily because of his sexuality. He just also happened to be gay. The DM then decided to go ahead and try to make it about avoiding relations with women.

Okay, the DM in third story was just bad, and in an atypical way. Wow, that was something. I don't know what, but it was something.

I posted a bit of a goofy story in the subreddit a while back that involved an ogre and a cooking competition; yes, really, but it's under a different alias I use over on Reddit. Sadly, the game I'm referencing in the story went under a while back, but I will tell you it was an intentionally silly game. Maybe when the story finally does end up in a video, and I'm sorry that Doge and his team will have to sift back a ways to find it on the subreddit, hearing about it might inspire some other players to try their hand at something that is fully intended to be a bit more silly.

When I saw the image I thought it Saud play the gay way. And I was like what?

Seeing the 1st DMs reaction and some of the comments trying to defend the DM is kind of the perfect demonstration of how homophobes just take issue with gay people existing. Like ive seen OP being called "attention-seeking" for mentioning that his char was gay and even doing so off table *ONCE*. When the OP didnt want their sexuality to be the focus, the DM tried to shove two sexual encounters back to back and then when OP said he didnt want that, DM acted like OP wanted a gay orgy. Its funny how often gay people are told to "stop shoving it in everyones faces", yet will regularly push heterosexual romance onto lgbtq+ people snd get upset when they dont want/like it. Its fine to talk at length about romance and sex, up until its a same-sex relationship apparently.

@stevenhiggins3055

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention that if they leave it off their character sheet and only bring it up if it becomes relevant, suddenly they're "making it up" just to "get an advantage"

@TortoiseNotTurtle

9 ай бұрын

@@stevenhiggins3055 Yep. But ofc if this was a gay guy hitting on a straight char it'd suddenly be the DM "forcing querness on someone"

What's a methaphysics shop?

@thebolas000

9 ай бұрын

A place that sells crystals and dreamcatchers. Think of stuff hippies and witches would buy.

First and happy to be back

GURPS is basically whatever you need it to be using ONLY 3d6 Ancronym of Genaric Universal Role Playing System Fantasy Sword and Sorcery Hero Cop Stories Hi-tech Space Opera/Samurai in Space Cyberpunk Steampunk Dieselpunk Cattlepunk Gaslight Fantasy Grimdark Zombie Apocalypse Future War Superhero Supernatural Slice of Life/Anime High School shenanigans All the above pureed together GURPS is anything you need it to be

I think you'd be better off having a LGS open only after 17:00, take the mornings and early afternoon off and make your business hours something like 17:00-22:00

@thebolas000

9 ай бұрын

I worked a game/comic shop and we had people as soon as we opened at 07:00 sometimes. 11:00 to 15:00 was the sweet spot most days. I did go several Mondays where I didn't interact with a single person though.

Why did story 1 OP state his character was gay if he had zero interest in bringing that in to his in-game character? 🤔 DM was still wrong. But so was OP in some ways.

@DDRRR243

Ай бұрын

If romance was involved then that could've been the reason, like the DM doesn't get flashbanged when the in-game character would hit on another male NPC or something of the sort

*7!*

Dawww hi Simba

I dont care what your characters sexuality is or whatever. Do and be what you want. Just dont make it weird for others and dont try n go into explicit details and dont be annoying about it as if your whole personality revolves around who you take to bed and how you bed them. I dont do erp at my tables.

kid holds up 2nd Ed MM "Can you tell me which ones are real?" "Sure!... Bat, bear, bird, cat, centipede, crocodile, dinosaur, dog, dolphin, elephant, fish, frog, horse, human..."

If you tell the players a creatures abilities, then what's the point of playing? Why aren't the players taking the time to research a creature to learn about it first? I seriously hate this idea that all encounters have to be perfectly scaled for your level like a video game. Expected to always beat whatever they face. A screw fudging roles.

@JKevinCarrier

9 ай бұрын

1) "Researching the creature first" assumes that the players know exactly what they're going to be facing ahead of time, which isn't always the case. 2) Telling the players something that their characters should plainly be able to see (a creature regenerating damage) is perfectly reasonable. 3) The DM admitted that they mistakenly gave the monster too much resistance, so some "fudging" was definitely in order, to correct that error. 4) Having super-deadly encounters is one thing (although again, the reason it was so lopsided was because of DM error), but there should be an option to retreat in most cases.

@Doodle1776

9 ай бұрын

@@JKevinCarrier yes, you can tell the PCs as it's happening but don't drop hints before it happens. As if you want players to research and get more involved don't just hand them information for free. Let them learn that finding out information prior to the situation is in their best interest. If you just give it to them they will never bother trying to act otherwise. I'm also not defending all of this GMs actions only the fact that certain things that the player complained about were bad player issues. No one in the party considered to do any research, at least by the story given, before going to fight this thing. Who s to blame for that, the GM or the player? In this case likely both since the expectation seems to have been simply that the GM would tell the players when something was about to happen instead of them actually taking the time to learn.

When you have a problem with gay player characters, don't try to "correct" them. Be honest and say you don't allow gay player characters, because the last one couldn't go 10 steps without groping an NPC or player character. Many of the DMs featured in this show probably don't allow Tabaxi and Harengon anymore for the same reasons. Of course it is entirely possible the DM was a genuine homophone and not a burned DM who is seeing fetish characters everywhere and is handling it in the worst possible way.

@seto_kaiba_

9 ай бұрын

Tbf banning gay characters outright would be homophobic but it would at least be honest.

@KalinTheZola

8 ай бұрын

@@seto_kaiba_ It's still homophobic, but being honest at least lets me know I want nothing to do with them out the gate. I'll take that over sneaking in homophobia after getting invested.

Based DM

@KalinTheZola

8 ай бұрын

stupid dm is more like it. If they don't want gay characters in their game, don't approve them like an idiot.

My sexuality doesn't matter, but my character has to be known to be gay..... Attention seeking player, who also doesn't understand aristocracy at all. Political marriage happens, often with a real lover on the side

@PMbarbieri

9 ай бұрын

How is writing "gay" on your backstory "attention seeking"? That only meant he wouldn't flirt with women or accept their advances. You can be gay and just exist, you know? Also, you didn't pay attention to the story, since he said his character abandoned the aristocratic lifestyle, so he clearly wouldn't care about a political marriage.

@KingZNIN

9 ай бұрын

​@@PMbarbieri don't you know? There's only two sexualities straight and political, just like there's only two races white and political, not to mention there's only two types of politics right wing and political.

@Sinturions

9 ай бұрын

@@PMbarbieri Oh no I listened, and his character didn't use that as a reasoning. When presented with the "Marry my daughter for a political marriage" his response wasn't "No thank you, I left the life and duties of nobility behind" it was "I'm gay" The bottom line is, he claimed to have no interest in romance at all, so he could have easily treated his character as Asexual, which is what that would actually mean, no, he is fighting for his character to be gay, and making sure people know he's gay. "Hi everyone, I'm gay, I am acting completely Asexual, but you have to know I'm actually gay"

@PMbarbieri

9 ай бұрын

@@Sinturions This is a huge stretch. Even if he didn’t consider using his background as an excuse (which I don’t think would have made a difference anyway), saying “I don’t want my sexuality to be a focus” and then saying “I’m gay” to turn down a marriage proposal is still not attention seeking nor hypocritical, especially since it wasn’t the first time this had happened. The character’s sexuality only became relevant because the DM decided to constantly bring it up by trying to forcibly put him into a heterosexual relationship. The DM was the one seeking attention by being bothered by a three letter word on a character sheet.

@yourface2464

9 ай бұрын

​@@Sinturionsyou do realize that being gay doesn't mean you slobber at the mouth at every single potential romantic interest, right? You can actually be gay and be single? Or be gay and not be looking for a relationship? Seems like common sense to me.

First story is total BS sorry but it is, if the DM was a "homophobe" he would have never let him play a gay character to begin with.

@KalinTheZola

8 ай бұрын

He wanted to "fix" the gayness. That's why he allowed them. That's literally homophobic.

@NevermoreGameDev

4 ай бұрын

I have to disagree. The DM’s homophobia (intentional or not) was apparent through his efforts to “correct” Op’s character. I understand that because it is on Reddit and we are seeing one side of the story, the situation as Op described may not have happened, but playing with the what-is-true dimension of these stories is pointless. Instead, let’s focus on the crux of the story. Can it be agreed that the DM is wrong in sabotaging player agency and agreed-upon boundaries? If the DM were not okay with the OP’s character being gay, it would be within the DM’s control to disallow or explain to the OP that the DM is uncomfortable. It would then be in the OP’s court to decide whether or not they want to continue participating. However, the DM allowed Op to play in the game, signaling to Op that the DM was okay with the character’s sexuality. Op was fully justified in being annoyed with the DM for constantly bringing up situations where his character is pushed to act straight, such as the noble’s daughter situation. The DM had made an entire plot point that he had to “rework” around a conflict he knew would happen. The DM knows the character is gay, so why would he make an imperative plot point around the gay player acting straight? This story is ultimately horrifying not only because of the sexuality discrepancy but also because of the overt attempts to undermine and breach player agency through the DM’s agency. Do you have an argument for why this situation was Op’s fault?

@GreenGhostGalahad

4 ай бұрын

@NevermoreGameDev a characters sexually whether gay or straight shouldn't be included unless it's specifically asked for by the DM or has any bearing on the game as a whole. Including it is just trying to push buttons so the player can then use it as a shield from criticism.