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@austin09jj

Ай бұрын

where did you find that diagram?

@hazelgill5805

Ай бұрын

❤😊q1wds 😊 10:52

@j1mm3r

Ай бұрын

I know that in the uk its pronounced leftenant but we still spell it lieutenant, f*** the French and their dum speling, but actually it wasn't the French... it was the British.; the lieutenant was typically seen as a "left hand man" to a higher ranking officer and would also stand to the left of a higher ranking officer so the dumb British forces started calling lieutenants leftenants. but f*** the French anyway.

What a thousand years of no military does to a mf

@alexthedemon2203

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

@ShadowReaper-pu2hx

2 ай бұрын

This is why sometimes you have to double-check the desert for WMDs.

@user-si5vp6ud1w

2 ай бұрын

@@ShadowReaper-pu2hxlol😂

@benlewis4241

2 ай бұрын

Normally it's the really old military organisation where things get weird!

@galacticfirefly6060

2 ай бұрын

Maybe so, but Looking at the Military structure of the Old Republic, like in SWTOR, the Republic military wasn't that off really. It looked more like our Real life military then the Clone Army. There were Corps too, but they were more devised in Armor, Anti-armor, Special Forces, Elite Forces, Standard Forces, Anti-Sith Battalions, Aerial, Marine, Navy,... And jedi were not in charge of Legions/Batallions... Instead some Jedi Admirals/Generals were in charge of Fleets, Like the First Fleets, the Expeditionary fleets, Defense Fleets,... And the ranking system was more honest, having Generals, Admirals, Commanders and Supreme Commanders at the top of each division. The Old Republic military looked more like a ACTUAL Military then the Clone Army in my opinion. Star Wars has often proven that Old things are sometimes better then New things.

When the Hapsburg family tree makes more sense than your army’s chain of command, you know you’re doing something wrong

@ShadowReaper-pu2hx

2 ай бұрын

_Sweet Home Alabama Plays_

@entropy4959

2 ай бұрын

@@ShadowReaper-pu2hx it’s more like sweet home Saarland with the Habsburgs (Saarland is Germanys Alabama)

@epicassassin8502

2 ай бұрын

You mean a circle?

@user-fp1hw1yr7x

2 ай бұрын

idk I always thought circles were pretty simple

@Proxima_X

2 ай бұрын

@@epicassassin8502more like an infinite 8

This video should be called “what happens when you and your writers have no clue about military formations and scaling,” making the clone army so small for a galactic war against a massive automated army is stupid writing in itself. Then they tried to fix this by having Dooku handicap the droid army Edit: the GAR is still my all time favorite military in Star Wars, I just wished their structure and numbers were more suited for the big war they were created to fight. Even though they were supposed to win

@legoroan9866

2 ай бұрын

The separatist hierarchy is a mess 💀💀💀 Like. What does Commander mean in that army?

@ToxicBastard

2 ай бұрын

@@legoroan9866 That's cause the seps are an alliance of different bodies like militias and corporations. They get to be hodgepodge anyway because droid armies command themselves and are more disposable AND less complex in terms of strategy, tactics and general doctrine. They probably just give any fool who is slightly import and a few thousand droids and some factories then let him figure it all out. The tactical droids will take care of the hard stuff!

@Bolt451

2 ай бұрын

@@legoroan9866you mean tactical droids there just droids smart enough for strategising.

@atari947

2 ай бұрын

Atari wars was never hard sci fi anyways

@ToxicBastard

2 ай бұрын

@@atari947 The creator literally describes it as not sci fi, it's space fantasy. Like Halo.

It's funny how a franchise that literally has "war" in its title doesn't know shit about pretty much anything military related

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 ай бұрын

Yep, and it's one thing when it's 1 guys vision, but as soon as you have entire teams of people you think they could have brought a guy on board that knows military stuff

@reverbtheraptor8529

2 ай бұрын

But then there's Republic Commando.

@billross9132

2 ай бұрын

Tbh it's always been like that The main antagonist forces can't even shoot straight and the stories more ABT the rise and fall of a space Messiah than war

@burgamushun

2 ай бұрын

It's weird because George Lucas did hire people but iirc only to make the movements of the clone army in the third movie more realistic.

@silverprimus321boi9

2 ай бұрын

you can go thank disney for fucking that up lol. The expanded universe was extremely good at drawing from IRL militaries and implementing them into the galaxy (ex. the imperial warlord era after return of the jedi, and literally every piece of clone wars material prior to the 2008 TV show that fucked it all up.)

too many cooks spoil the broth, especially if none of them understand military organization (or scale, 3 million troops in the entire GAR makes it smaller than the German army in 1941)

@omarbaba9892

2 ай бұрын

Unless is a unit meant a squad

@spaceman624

2 ай бұрын

​@@omarbaba9892 I've heard somewhere before that it's been clarified that it does mean individual Clone troopers. Even if it didn't a large squad is 12 soldiers, and that would only bring the GAR up to 36 million. The US put +14 million in uniform for ww2 and they were still stretches thin.

@maxwellgarner3445

2 ай бұрын

its touched on in the Karin Traviss republic commandoes novels, that if the CIS is actually a trillion droids, or even a billion, they could probably stand on each other's shoulders and reach coruscant, much less drown the clones in a wave of steel. If the clone numbers are accurate, the Republic is literally not feeling a war at all, especially considering these people are not even recruited citizens. There simply isnt enough jedi, much less command capable jedi, to make the army any bigger, and since the conflict is already orchestrated, there isnt a need to bring in normal civillian or other military, non jedi types to lead. Defeats the purpose of it being a long form of a great Jedi noose. A civilization at war can usually field up to 10% of its population to fight a war, and even with half the galaxy no longer paying taxes, the republic was in no hurry to have anyone else do the bleeding, not humans, not aliens, and the seperatists specifically have a robot army for the same purpose of not raining new uncontrolled people.

@clpfox470

2 ай бұрын

Yea the number of clones have never made sense compared to the droids. While we can sorta wave this as the separatists only put the minimum in garrisons but still. Honestly if the war wasn't run by idiots and sidious you could arguably use the droids as a great guerrilla force. Imagine the nva but they dont sleep or eat, a war of attrition would ruin the republic

@mizu7662

2 ай бұрын

@@maxwellgarner3445But on the other hand, its later shown in TCW that funding the army was a major drain on government resources to the point that Coruscant wasn't able to properly function since resources that the mega city planet needed to import to keep running were being rerouted to the war effort. The idea of a galactic scale government going into major debt to fund an army of 3 million troops is ridiculous.

Lol it would've been hilarious if Anakin gave Cody a command and the dude would point out he is higher ranked

@DrBluefox

Ай бұрын

probabily clones are like enlisted IRL and jedi are officers. so a CSM cant order around a 2nd LT eventhough a CSM is way more important.

My headcannon is that the Jedi kinda a tore a coherent system apart. They are used to operate in an ad-hoc fashion, assembling groups of Jedi for specific tasks and determining authority mission to mission. So they were not used to operating in a military hierarchy and frequently detached stuff as they saw fit, themselves taking direct command of increasingly small tactical operations. Many of those units would become fully independant entities over time and the entire structure very fluid and confiusing.

@MEXUS.

2 ай бұрын

I like this explanation

@alaskamark4562

2 ай бұрын

Seems to me like it was incoherent to start with, even if you remove Jedi from the equation the military structure makes little sense. Say what you will about the Jedi, but they seem to be pretty much the only people around who even could lead these forces; we barely hear of any non-Jedi generals in the GAR and that's probably because the galaxy is almost entirely devoid of proper military personnel. To add to that, the GAR was basically organized overnight by a government that had been demilitarized for a millennium, the Jedi were probably the only organization the Republic could turn to for military command.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

Ай бұрын

@@alaskamark4562 This is true, but...there were enough people that finished military training and could lead an army in galaxy, and would join with no questions for the right price. All structures existed long before the GAR, and even persisted in empire times, using its funds to train all these stormtroopers and officers.

@JeanLucCaptain

Ай бұрын

I can hear the German officers complaining about lack of Doctrine adherence from here lol.

@mechcannon

Ай бұрын

@@alaskamark4562That’s a TCW retardation. In the old EU lore there were more than enough other generals and the like, as well as people forget the GAR weren’t just the clones but planetary defence forces.

This makes the Imperial Army''s command structure look compentent in comparison.

@connorallgood0922

2 ай бұрын

lol

@papapalps2415

2 ай бұрын

Uh, what...?

@semi-useful5178

2 ай бұрын

to be fair that was sheevy boy just throwing ranks everywhere to keep the little people at each other's throats

The true genius of this military structure is that the enemy isn't sure who they should try to assassinate Do they assassinate Cody or Anakin? Cody outranks him but Anakin is a jedi, what about all those green units? Surely they aren't all commanded by Gree? But if not then where are their commanding officers? How do you kill an anonymous officer?

@Jebu911

Ай бұрын

Also do they assassinate cody or the clone A who somehow is higer rank than cody but cody has another clone B he commands that also commands the clone A?

@Yarkoonian

Ай бұрын

This reminds me of the quote about the american army in world war 2.

I always thought that the reason Rex calls the 501st a battalion on Umbara is because only one battalion of the 501st was deployed there, while the other battalions of the 501st were elsewhere

@jameslovejoy9624

Ай бұрын

That would make more sense. Had the full legion been deployed on Umbara, we would have seen a much larger clone presence there.

Jedi immediately becoming Generals and their Padawans being given the rank of Commander (even if they are like 11 years old) is some of the most mind boggling world building l have ever witnessed. Edit: I may have worded this wrong to the point that people don’t understand my point exactly: I know that this is the whole point of the Jedi Order being hypothetical with their ways and such. I get that. The part that im confused about is that the GAR just allows this to happen in the first place. Like, l understand that in a hypothetical scenario that Politicians and CEOs of private companies would want to command armies in war, l totally understand that. What confuses me is the fact that armies would just agree to these Politicians and CEOs leading armies into battle. I don’t understand why the GAR allows this to happen in the first place. If that makes more sense

@floriandiem1223

2 ай бұрын

I actually feel like this actually makes sense because it just shows how incredibly overwhelmed the Jedi Council was with the war. Yes, the structure of the GAR is incredibly stupid and giving Command to Jedi without any actual military training is just naive but it makes sense in a world, that hasn't seen any large scale war for centuries.

@princeblasian3735

2 ай бұрын

@@floriandiem1223 We see in The Phantom Menace through Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon that the Jedi are more like Diplomatic Enforcers and they say they are Peacekeepers. That is totally fine. But that doesn’t make them able to lead tens of thousands of soldiers on multiple battlefield and how to manage billions of credits of military hardware. Lets imagine a hypothetical scenario if Qui-Gon survived The Phantom Menace somehow. Can we imagine this character knowing how to deploy Special Forces units behinf enemy lines for Infiltration, demolition, assassination or extraction missions? Can we imagine him knowing how to use a Battalion of Star Fighters to maintain Air Superiority over an occupied city? Can we imagine him knowing the best locations for Scouts to traverse through so they can report enemy positions to artillery crews? None of this makes any sense for Jedi to be Generals of. And l cant believe that 11 year olds are given high ranks as well

@floriandiem1223

2 ай бұрын

@@princeblasian3735 No of course not but that's exactly the point. The jedi don't know jack shit about how to lead a war but they are too afraid to pass command to someone else, that's why we see them making all of these stupid decisions. It actually makes sense from a lore pov for them to be absolute idiots when it comes to military planning

@buttbuttson737

2 ай бұрын

​@@princeblasian3735 I think the Jedis being generals is one of those things that made sense in the context of the movies, but got way out of hand in the EU. In the movies, it serves the purpose of showing the militarization of the Jedi, places them near the clones during Order 66, and explains why the disciplined clones resented their untrained commanders. However, once the EU started placing them in command of a bunch of different units of varying sizes, as well as having their skills in battle vary from story to story, it starts to fall apart. For example, Ki Adi Mundi is simultaneously a sociopathic idiot who sends his army into the meat grinder on Muunilist, and a brilliant and caring commander on Geonosis. The whole concept just got way out of hand as more and more writers got involved.

@ToxicBastard

2 ай бұрын

@@buttbuttson737 Mundi is a good man when you actually fight next to him, but from a distance he leads poorly. He's more of a natural warrior than a commander.

It seems like CW season 7 tried to address the total absence of a chain of command by making Jesse a Lieutenant retroactively, by extending the same logic we can assume Waxer and Boil are also Lieutenants, as are Echo and Fives, since they're all shown to have roughly the same relationship with their respective commanders, the introduction of Vaughn also helped clear up a bit of the confusion because it was obvious Vaughn had prior command experience within the 501st, we just hadn't seen him on-screen before. Implying there were other companies off-screen doing other things commanded by clone officers we don't know or haven't seen yet. Still, that said, if you assume all of the ARCs were Lieutenants commanding platoons(we don't even see them commanding units at any point except for Jesse briefly after order 66) we only ever see enough officers/NCOs to fill out the senior command of maybe a small company, let alone a _brigade_ Like, if Jesse and Fives and co were LTs and therefore platoon commanders, then where are all of the captains and majors commanding the companies and battalions? or their sergeants directing the squads? If Anakin didn't introduce Rex as his "first in command" to Krell, I would have assumed there was an unnamed commander always offscreen doing more important things who was _actually_ in charge of the 501st, and Rex was just the CO of _ghost company_ specifically. Everything would have made so much more sense if they had just made it clear we're only seeing the command teams of company or battalion sized units on-screen

@laisphinto6372

2 ай бұрын

TCW is one of the main guilty things that make military structures a complete joke in star wars thats why i ignore it in the military aspect. somehow a mere captain leads the entire legion i would be fine if rex was something like an elite captain leading the 501st praetorian company but no

@rszarir

2 ай бұрын

Small corrections: The Bad Batch arc in The Clone Wars S7 confirms that Echo is a corporal, and Rex was in charge of Torrent Company, not Ghost.

@maccaronich

2 ай бұрын

I think it works if you consider a "Command Company". The Commander of each Corps/Brigade obviously has overall command, but they also have a personal Company to protect/secure the Commander and act as their reserve

@trainknut

2 ай бұрын

@@maccaronich true but command units don't generally lead the attack every single time

@jesperstoringgaard8367

Ай бұрын

Echo, Fives and Jesse were all ARC troopers. So whilst they may have held rank, it's daubtfull they had any day-to-day command duties. Same concept as most special forces being sergeants in real life. Also Waxer was officially a platoon commander, with the rank of clone Lieutenant during the battle of Umbara.

I think the biggest thing is that they didn't want to focus on the organizational structure, they chose to just show us the units that happened to be serving aside the main characters we watched. We just don't have canon information on those, which some of the units mentioned on the chart I noticed aren't canon either, anymore at least.

Frankly even when Lucas was running this its clear that they have a very vague sense of how a military is structured and just toss around terms like army battlion legion and so on.

2:10 in legends ranks were: Trooper, Corporal, sergeant, sergeant major, 2nd LT, 1st LT, captain, major, battalion commander, regimental commander, senior commander, and marshal commander With Jedi holding either Jedi Commander, General, Senior General, or High General

@II-ix9eu

2 ай бұрын

Also ranks in the actual military have a set ranking system like the way star wars is. But rank ≠ structure. The actual structure of the military is in a way like this. A colonel can be in charge of a Squadron, Wing, or group levels. A squadron is between 80-200 people typically. A wing being 2,000-4000, and etc. And I was in the military so I should know

To clarify the 501st name thing, it was the 501st clone battalion during the clone war, but the 501st legion during Imperial era

@hansshekelstein9450

2 ай бұрын

That’s kind of silly then. Especially in a galactic sense, that’s like numbering your companies or platoons with unique names.

@BurkinaFaso69

2 ай бұрын

@@hansshekelstein9450 Nah, it's a reference to a real life charity organization

@Rynewulf

2 ай бұрын

@@hansshekelstein9450unique names for units is fine as long as the chain of command isnt mucked up. Can often be good for both soldiers and civilian morale with famous honoured units or special forces. See the irl Coldstream Guards, Black Watch, etc etc

@hansshekelstein9450

2 ай бұрын

@@Rynewulf those are Regiments/Brigades usually or higher no? And a lot of them originate from when those units were the primary maneuver unit. Unique unit names for every battalion would get rather tiring, hence is not really done outside of specialist units. Example, the USSR had nearly 600 divisions at its height. Assuming they’re all rifle divisions (which they weren’t but hey) that’s 3 Regiments with 3 Battalions. That’s gonna be 5400 unique “xxth rifle battalion” you’re going to have. It’s not impossible I guess, but I’d rather have, say 1st Battalion/266th Regiment or “1/266” on the command display them “504th/266th” or something, since I’d more readily identify that at a glance.

@lowlsqwid

2 ай бұрын

@@hansshekelstein9450 it's still done in modern militaries. In the US military nearly every level of organization has its own unique numerical identifier. It's apart of keeping a tradition and upholding morale. You can go to wikipedia for nearly every unit in the US military to see their history, unit awards, notable members, and symbols. Pretty much any unit in all branches commanded by a field grade officer will have it's own unique unit name.

Also, if ur wondering why Cody it’s often shown leading only the 212th it’s because it was his “favorite” unit. Cody was an action man, not someone that stood in the back lines giving orders to his troopers fighting in the frontlines he was right there w them, where the battle was taking place. It’s also pretty difficult to fight w a whole corp in the front lines, imagine 40k men standing next to each other… so he decided to take the lead of a specific battalion (the best of the corp ofc) giving specific orders to them while receiving information by the rest of the corp (by his seconds in command) and giving more general orders to it. You should also remember that the republic was often invading an entire planet, not just a city and it’s impossible to show a planet size invasion while also focusing on the main characters that’s why the entire 7th corp it’s never shown. It’s not deployed all together, for it to happen there should be like a 40k droid army marching all together to a certain place to attack, in that case then,the entire 7th sky corp might be deployed in the same place and we would see 40k men with Cody in the front lines leading the whole corp but in specific the 212th. On the other hand if the republic was invading a planet full of separatist outposts scattered around the planet then the 7th would get “divided” into many different sub-units to conquer them and depending on the outpost Cody might decide to lead the 212th or maybe ghost company if the outpost isn’t that hard to conquer. The thing his Cody leads the 7th sky corp (and the third systems w obi) but since he can’t be everywhere on a planet at the same time he has to take the lead of a smaller unit (as I said previously while receiving l informations about the entirety of the corp and coordinating the forces. It’s impossible for a single man to fully control a 40k men army scattered around an entire planet that’s why there are ranks and everyone in the 7th is under Cody

@Jebu911

Ай бұрын

Imagine if in real wars generals fought in the front lines that would be really bad no matter how good shots they would be. Thats why cody should just sit in the backline (preferably in orbit) looking at the situation issuing orders if it was meant to be realistic. But yes its meant to be cool so obviously the general is there in the front killing 100 battle droids a minute on a slow day.

@clintonoh3108

Ай бұрын

This is completely unrealistic.

@pietrodesantis7765

Ай бұрын

@@clintonoh3108 Star Wars isn’t realistic

@clintonoh3108

Ай бұрын

@@pietrodesantis7765 Then say that, instead of coming up with a half arsed, illogical justification of an illogical situation.

@pietrodesantis7765

Ай бұрын

@@clintonoh3108 yeah u’re right , I’m sorry if I forgot that you are actually the commander of the 7th sky corp and as a matter of fact you know what is logical to do in a battlefield. W that being said, if you don’t wanna hear talking about illogical explanations and illogical situations🤓☝️you shouldn’t have watched and commented a video where the author clearly came up with half arsed explanations. It’s well known that Star Wars isn’t logical and doesn’t follow the laws of physics, how is someone supposed to explain something that ISN’T logical in the first place with a logical explanation😂 The only way to make this work is to “came up with a half arsed, illogical justification of an illogical situation” if you want an in-universe explanation.

my theory is that the mid-level clone commanders were interchangeable between different positions. this would explain some of the issues of having clone commanders being in charge of several organizations rather than those having permanent independent HQ. Rex also gets expressly promoted to "commander" in season 7. before then, Ahsoka was the commander of Rex's battallion. when she came back, the legion was just split into one half for mandalore (the 332nd division, there being a 332nd company was a star wars blog error) and one half for coruscant. this means either division was roughly 2 regiments and Rex would have commanded at a higher degree than even his promotion. Ahsoka doesn't count at this point because she is just a "tactical advisor".

@II-ix9eu

2 ай бұрын

Exactly it's just like the actual military

For all intents and purposes, Rex was the commander of the 501st. It's stated somewhere, can't remember canon or legends, that Anakin didn't officially promote Rex to commander because it would be to much paperwork. (Kenobi was his usual sarcastic, quippy self when he found out) and Rex can't do the paperwork to promote himself. Also, everything in the clone wars show is canon, so it is, in fact, the 501st battalion. Not legion. And the 332nd company was the entirety of Torrent company with some shinies. And we did have a coherent rank structure when AOTC came out, but it's gone to hell ever since.

@DIEGhostfish

2 ай бұрын

Apo is the commander on the actual logistics and grand stragegy side. George just left him aside because of too many A names.

@RayHardman7567

2 ай бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish sure, but the first time we see appo in the clone wars, he's a Sargent.

@Wolfsbane1100

2 ай бұрын

IIRC that the reason Rex was a Captain was because Ahsoka was the 501st's Commander, as Anakin's Padawan.

@RayHardman7567

2 ай бұрын

@@Wolfsbane1100 Rex was captain for the first 3 months of the war, he could've been officially promoted before Ahsoka if became a thing. Sidenote, do you have a fanfic or AO3 account? Read some really amazing stories by someone called wolfsbane.

@DIEGhostfish

2 ай бұрын

@@Wolfsbane1100 There are units with both ranks.

I think a lot of this has to do with the lack of context given with all of the units as well as the leadership strategies of the clone wars. The Jedi tended to lead from the front (which is mentioned on Umbara when Pong Krell did not) so it could be assumed that the head Jedi commander picked a unit that either they liked or the one they anticipated would see the heaviest combat and led the clones personally and left the other units some degrees of freedom while working towards the overall goal. I also think the 501st legion is mostly used as a literary device to give anakin a lot of responsibility and power while also conveying that he’s still Obi-Wan’s padawan and thus, has less power than Obi-Wan.

@StuartLegomanLittle

2 ай бұрын

I think that the most Jedi Generals chose to deploy themselves even when most of their troops were not in combat and we also need to consider that most likely that there were specific units like a armor company, infantry company, or maybe a mixed company.

@homesteadlegion4419

2 ай бұрын

Exactly and basically all the commanders with multiple units in here are also known as frontliners in the same way. My guess is that those instances were they had command over a smaller unit are cases of taking control of whatever unit was fit for the job or already in their area, simply pushing the normal unit command into a supporting role. We had cases in real history were general had to command batellions and companies instead of devisions and armys because they A. Had nothing more left or B. Were cut of from the rest. A good example is Erwin Rommel in france who was so fast and so petty that he turned of his radio, ignored all orders and not only lost contact to the army he was a part of, but also the bigger chunk of his devision because in the words of one cracked up blue hedgehog: "he gotta go fast".....

I remember when I was way younger I tried making a doc with the layout of the GAR. This video articulates why after weeks of headaches I gave up that foolish idea and realized how hopeless of a task it is lmfao.

This would be a perfect moment to make a Gmod RP server which wouldn't die in the first month of launch (hopefully)

My understanding of where the Jedi fit within the GAR was that they are both in and out of the chain of command. Anakin's style of command (front aggressive assault) simply doesn't make sense to command a greater size of soldiers which explain why he is technically under Cody but in fact not really. He command clones who are under Cody and has seniority over leadership and field command while Cody exert a more overall logistical and strategic command. Even if the 501st wasn't truly special forces, they acted as shock troop and Vanguards because that's how Anakin fight.

I think the issue of commanders being in charge of multiple levels of command is best explained as them being able to assume command of a smaller segment of the army for smaller ops. Because the Jedi are on the front lines so often, they need a consistent squad to accompany them that they can rely on. Therefore, Gree for example is in command of the entirety of the 9th assault corps and oversees all of their operations, but when Luminara needs to act directly he assumes control down the chain to the leader of the appropriately-sized segment for what Luminara requires, and presumably delegates his normal duties to a second in command in his absence. The lower segments in the chain probably have usual leaders that command them under normal circumsances, although a single company may be set aside as the personal company of the Jedi and only operate alongside them under the direct command of the Commander.

I have spent far too long trying to research this too. It makes literally zero sense. Sometimes Corps aren't actually corps (See: 41st) but are called a corps because they want to. There just isn't any standardisation and it is unfathomably irritating. I am so glad that I am not the only person who understands how annoying this all is.

@chataclysm2112

2 ай бұрын

hell, the 41st elite corps is sometimes just randomly referred to as the 41st elite legion

So, a few things. - The 41st, despite being referred to as a corps, is actually only a legion, and Commander Gree is a senior commander, not a marshal commander. - Gree was never in charge of all of those units simultaneously, as each one of them had their own commanding officers (Captain Green Leader and Commander Gett for example), Gree was just shown to be the overarching commander for thise units during various battles. During the attack on the Tranquility only Gree, Green Leader, and Green Company were were present, so Gree was in charge because he was the highest ranking clone officer there. During the battle of Kashyyyk only Sarlacc Battalions A and B were present, but Gree was once again the highest clone officer present for the battle so he was in charge of those two units and their battalion commanders. - Cody is not, and has never been in charge of the Third, that list is simply incorrect. The largest unit Cody is in charge of is the 7th Sky Corps. - The 501st WAS a battalion at the beginning of the war, but was shortly reorganized into a legion. - It is almost guaranteed that all of these units had their own correct commanders, but since most of the high ranking commanders were graduates of the ARC Training Program, they were often brought along on missions by their Jedi generals due to their battlefield prowess and tactical skills.

@rynonymouss

2 ай бұрын

If I may ask, where is your evidence. And btw I refer to some clones as marshal commanders even they are not, because they command Corps.

@CloneCommanderCrater1102

2 ай бұрын

@rynonymouss My evidence is years and years of studying the GAR, reading many MANY pieces of source material such as novels, comics, encyclopedias, etc., writing a list of quite literally every single clone trooper ever created by Lucasfilm (and I do mean EVERY clone trooper) and figuring out those clones' ranks and what units they belong to based on pre-existing information, and also just having a VERY good understanding of the GAR as a whole.

@CloneCommanderCrater1102

2 ай бұрын

@rynonymouss Small change here. You were right about Gree being a marshal commander, as he does lead the 9th, but I stand the everything else I stated: - The other units within the 41st all have their own commanding officers (i.e. Green Leader is the captain of Green Company. - The 41st itself has specifically been referred to as a legion in numerous sources, and it being a legion is quite literally the only way that it would fit into the 9th. - Cody has never once, in any source, been listed as part of the leadership of the Third, he has only ever been states to lead the 7th and the 212th, so the list you used is just wrong on that. - The 501st was, at least in the current canon, originally a battalion that was later reorganized into a legion a few months into the war.

@rynonymouss

2 ай бұрын

@@CloneCommanderCrater1102 That is fair, although I think TCW gets it wrong itself a few times (as I mentioned on Umbara where Rex says "every man in this battalion", i highly doubt he is referring to a specific battalion within the 501st. Instead I think its a script error)

@CloneCommanderCrater1102

2 ай бұрын

@rynonymouss Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you there, that is a constant problem in Star Wars with characters saying the wrong unit type or the wrong rank. It always makes it annoying for those of us who are super knowledgeable of the lore. Also, in that instance with Rex calling it a battalion you are completely right because the 501st had been a legion for a long time at that point.

now i know why anakin was so angry when even a clonetrooper had a higher rank than him. The council really did him dirty.

Great video. Also nice touch with Aayla Secura and Bly

@MortimerSeptimus

2 ай бұрын

Blyla shippers, report in

One of the things I do like about Star Wars military forces is that they arnt actually all that competent.I know this comes from Lucas lack of knowledge on military matters but it actually fits and makes sense in universe

@corruptangel6793

2 ай бұрын

Not really Lucas's fault. The movies alone are vague enough you can assume whatever you need for it to make sense. The writers of the expanded lore are to blame for the incoherence.

Don’t forget that Padawans were usually commanders, which is why Rex was a captain and not a commander. He was under Ahsoka.

@laisphinto6372

2 ай бұрын

you have more than one commander leading an entire legion. rex is just a captain leading hundred up to max 180 aka a company . can he be a special captain like leading an elite praetorian company ? yes but doesnt change the fact that from his rank he is way more off a frontline captain fighting in the thick of things not really having the skills to operate large scale units

@jackalnerf6230

2 ай бұрын

​@@laisphinto6372 IRL yes but do units in the GAR have multiple commanders? Gree, Cody, Bly, these are all clones without padawans stationed.

@rszarir

2 ай бұрын

​@@jackalnerf6230Yes. Rancor Battalion had commanders Colt, Havoc, and Blitz, and Gree was in the same unit as Luminara Unduli's padawan, Barriss Offee.

I think the reason for missing clone marshal commanders is because Palawans were used in this role. An example of this is that Ahsoka Tano seemed to be referred to as commander by the clones and when seen in context they seem to be using it as her rank not just as the person in command. There are admittedly a lot of problems with the structure of the GAR but I think some of this is that the whole war was started early so units were slotted in haphazardly rather than as a more unified structure too make up for losses in the first battle.

I like to think, that during the first Battle of Geonosis, where everthing seems to be thrown in, many of the Clones in leading roles were KIA (may it be on ground, or in space). With the need of fast movement and adaptation from the GAR, the politics in the Republic and shift there through the sudden appearance of one imginable large army (in the eyes of the senators at the time), in combination with putting Jedi in leading roles wich they had no clue about, they more or less "winged it" and tried to make some kind of military structure from the rest, thus creating that abomination of a "chain of command" and no real time to fix it.

This was way too good of a job. Great job, mate. I can’t wait for the structure of the CIS. Also know as, Dooku, Grievous, generals who all get killed, and AI.

Classic Ryno, always a little too quiet. Incredibly interesting video tho, I don’t think I’ve seen a good explanation like this before

I cannot thank you enough, I've always wanted to know how the GAR works on a tactical/logistical level; this could be useful for writing more militarily accurate stories about the clones

@railfandepotproductions

2 ай бұрын

*GAR

@RodrigoSanchez-hw5tf

2 ай бұрын

Noted and corrected

@railfandepotproductions

2 ай бұрын

@@RodrigoSanchez-hw5tf you welcome

There's also conflicting info regarding some things I've heard. Such as, a Legion is apparently enough to conquer a world, despite only being ~9k clones ~16k with supports and all assets (heavy weapons, vehicles, air support, etc). And all of that fits on a single Acclamator. Or, if things are calculated right, about 5-8 Venators. A Jedi General, at minimum, should also be in command of a Squadron Fleet. That's 3-4 Sections, or 12-36 "warships", plus support ships (not sure if this is included in previous number). So this could be anywhere between 9 Venators/Acclamators, to 48 Consulars. Though I'm guessing a proper balanced Squadron should be 3-4 Venators, 1-2 Acclamators, 2-3 Pelta's, 4-8 Arquitens, and 6-12 Consular Chargers. And yet in majority of conflicts, by the lowest ranking Jedi Generals (fresh Jedi Knights), we see them with, say, only 3-4 Venators, and a single legion spread between them. Sometimes only a regiment, or battalion. Even before Venators were deployed, they were flying maybe 3-4 Acclamators, with the same Legion quantity. So many inconsistencies and no balance. Especially when you consider that, supposedly, a High Jedi General (eg: Windu/Yoda) should have had an Armada at their disposal, leading an entire war theater. And that's just for battles and numbers. What about the support ships? what about ship repair times and replacement times? are they going back to shipyards for maintenance, or repairing in the field? What about reinforcements for their legions, are they getting replacement troopers all the time, or are their legions only the size of a few battalions from constantly losses?

My biggest problem with the GAR is that clones are also used to man starships and for logistics instead of using conscripts from the Republics local militias. The strenghts of clones are completely wasted here.

@billross9132

2 ай бұрын

It also raises the question as to where the empires navy personnel came from, especially the high ranking officers since theyre obviously not clones

@papapalps2415

2 ай бұрын

​@@billross9132What a fucking silly question, lul. Enlisted, obviously.

@billross9132

2 ай бұрын

@@papapalps2415 so the whole time the galaxy had ppl already trained with naval experience and skills but the republic never used them? I understand why they didn't use regular enlisted foot soldiers in the clone wars since training enough will be too slow for the cis droids, but why didnt they use already trained captains and other navy ranks in the clone wars who already had training, a question that couldve easily be answered if they just showed regular ship crews not clones piloting the venators

@papapalps2415

2 ай бұрын

@@billross9132 ....Uh, what? Dude, one of the main side characters in TCW is Yularen, lul. In addition, there are plenty of non-clone officers, mainly naval but also army, that we see in the new and old canon's, up to and including familar names like Pellaeon, Zsinj, Needa, and so on. A LARGE portion of the Empire's officer base is directly grandfathered from the Republic.

@Dyno2999

2 ай бұрын

@@papapalps2415 the clone wars series does do a pretty bad job of showing humans working in the military and navy in the republic in all fainess

This video is one of the big reasons why I will always think of TCW as the kids show.

I’ve always liked the fanon explanation of Cody’s high ranking - that Obi Wan just kept promoting him because of how competent he was lmao

Saw the turd whose comment you pinned and want you to know we appreciate your hard work and research that goes into these videos. Keep it up!

How armies work on paper: Like this. How armies work in reality: Adapt when shit goes to hell. Anything other then what's on paper.

My conspiracy theory remains that the Third Systems Army has been a misnomer since its Wookieepedia page was created. Its only ever been referred to as "Third Army"; all the other systems armies go by Greek letters.

Ryno you're popping off! Great video man!

Any chance you could do a video breaking down the GAR's command structure in the Expanded Universe with the 2003 Clone Wars show in place of the 2008 TCW? Years ago, I was depressed to find out they were incompatible, but if I must pick one as my favorite it's the 2003 show because it actually keeps in line with EU continuity, so I think the structure's a little less murky, but it seems like info may be spread across a lot more sources. All the best, man.

8:35, personally, i never assumed that when rex was referring too the 501st as a whole as a battalion, but talking about that specific sub-unit of the legion that was assigned too the umbara campaign.

I was literally just trying to figure this out after playing battlefront the other day.

Bro this video was epic, you deserve all the views

TCW and Pre-TCW Clone Wars should not be mentioned together. TCW writers had no idea how the GAR was structured. Plus the show retconned everything. An example: Legion was commanded by a Clone Senior Commander. So why was Rex the second in command of the 501st? Appo was the Senior Commander while in the show he was a sergeant. A Cpt only commands one company. A legion has 1 Senior Commander, 4 Regimental Commanders and 16 Battalion Cmndr so Rex was nowhere near.

@occam7382

2 ай бұрын

Rex technically wasn't second-in-command of the 501st. Ahsoka was. She was the Senior Commander. Rex was only ever officially in command of Torrent Company, but him being Anakin's clone liasion officer, combined with Ahsoka being very much inexperienced when she first took her command, meant that Rex was de-facto second-in-command of the 501st.

@MarsiB013

2 ай бұрын

@@occam7382 A legion had numerous commanders who outranked Rex. Padawans weren't Senior Commanders. Padawans were Regimental Commanders. A Clone Senior Commander outranked the Padawans. Btw TCW 501st and Ahsoka were part of the retcon.

@fearedjames

2 ай бұрын

Basically, part of the reason its a mess is that Clone Wars is so poorly written and integrates so badly with canon that before Disney's editions you could damn well say its a non-canon spin off.

I think Cody being in charge of the missing Sector army is implicit, clones are bred to fight so even when in a high position of power it makes sense they'd have personal corps, battalion, company, etc, just like Gree, when in the field they don't tag along with a random group, they take their own who they know personally, still being able to give orders for the whole group but any clone that isn't in the fight could be seen as a waste. Oversight and logistics makes a lot more sense to be covered by admirals when they're floating in orbit above the army. Warefare changes with that kind of direct observation and communication

Nice video I can tell you put a lot of work in it, your channel got huge potential! I was suprised to see that you dont have a huge community yet. Dont listen to the haters keep going!

It's clear you put a lot of effort into this video. Well done

The Commander for 501st is Asoka which is why Rex never got promoted to Commander

Another big problem is the Role designation of each unit does not seem to reflect its actual type. An Assault and Attack Unit should have different make ups for example. Assault is more of a dedicated Frontal assault unit like an Mechanized infantry unit, pioneers with flame and other special weapons for flushing out destroying fortifications, plenty of IFVs and fire support vehicles. Attack sounds like a more basic all purpose unit geared towards the assault role but not specifically. I’m guessing IFV heavy but without the specialized combat pioneers, and fire support vehicles. Others like the “recon corps” sound like they would be loaned off larger forces as recon specialist, operating the faster vehicles and special equipment that THIER unit type implies but not a larger unit that would be kept together other then for equipment and training purposes.

It sounds like a lot of these appointments were made on an ad hoc basis, rather than being the permenant established orbat. The Kaminoans probably had one idea of how the army should be structured and then the jedi changed things up according to their needs, and being powerful space wizards who can both conduct special operations and strategy they likely restructured command structures to suit the flexibility they needed.

Commander Crees position makes sense if you consider the command structure of its units to be a part of themselves so to say. So He and Unduli would command the 9th assault corps alongside Cree. The main part of this unit is the 41st elite, stationed at the center of operations, so where the two would focus anyway, and containing the 41st Scout Batallion, directly surrounding the two officers as an elite squad during operations to assist them when they are going in. So they technically command all at the same time

I think you're overlooking a largely important factor in this: wars take place over time. This graphic should also include a timeline as many units may have been completely wiped out or suffered so many casualties that they would have to be completely restructured. Even with a seemingly infinite supply of clones, these units would have to adapt based on what they were doing and how much they had to work with at the time. So you're of course going to have a lot of redundancies. A good chunk of these groups were probably put together for a single operation and then disbanded.

I didnt realise i was watching a video from a small channel, well done

I remember in Legends the GAR kept 1 of 4 Corps in a sector army intact and the other 3 were split in sub-units.

The Tex battalion comment I think was just in reference to the division of men at the base, espesvially with Obi Wan's assault on the capitol, Id assume most of the 501st was under his command, with Rex's battalion being given the mission to attack and capture the air base.

In the future please pay closer attention to the sound mixing. I can hardly hear you

Captain Rex leading the 501st was always massive discrepancy for me. The dude should NOT have that much authority over an entire legion because his rank simply does not grant it possible. It made so much more sense in Legends/EU, because the 501st was lead by Commander Appo and he remained commander until his death during the Great Jedi Purge. Of course TCW show retcons this by having Appo be a sergeant but then again TCW simply did not fit in Legends timeline anyway because it already had it's own events set out in "The Clone Wars Multimedia Project."

@deltaplaysgames6097

2 ай бұрын

In canon captain rex only has command over torrent company, not the whole 501st Legion

@laisphinto6372

2 ай бұрын

@@deltaplaysgames6097 makes more sense because in my opinion he isnt a good big picture leader but a frontline leader , he doesnt plan ,he accomplishes plans

@joshm9782

2 ай бұрын

@@laisphinto6372tbh a lot of the discrepancies with rank could be explained by clones not having multiple commands but rather being essentially the Jedi’s clone liaison. Where particularly when clones command multiple units of varying sizes they are simply attached to the Jedi who gives them temporary command of the subunit when they are deploying with only a part of their forces. While when clones seem to be acting above their rank it is again due to their authority not coming from their rank in the GAR but as a liaison to the Jedi.

@langletprolet8378

2 ай бұрын

I think the best mental gymnastic we can do is that a Captain can lead over a Battalion (basically filling the gap in the lack of Majors). So Rex doesn’t lead over a Legion, but a Battalion of the 501st. It just so happens that Rex is Anakin’s favorite and so his Battalion the one that gets most action and screentime. There’s also the fact that Rex kept mentioning he commanded a Battalion.

This is a bit of an out there comparison but at 4:35 when you discuss the 9th assault and 41st Elite. It puts me in the mind of the U.S. Army’s 2nd and 7th infantry division command structure. The units that are stateside are put under the command of the 7th infantry division while nominally being units of the second infantry division (they wear the patch and call themselves the 2ID). As soon as these units are sent overseas, it is back under the command of 2ID HQ out of Korea. It is a little confusing and almost certainly not intentional but it is a way to think about Unduli’s forces.

Hi, I'm also working on the GAR structure. I've made a few ORBAT graphics to visualize it better. Would love to chat with you some time, somewhere.

The number of clones in the war will never not make me angry

The 501st had a commander - Ahsoka. I guess thats why Rex never got the position until the end of the war. (And because it's sounds cool and makes it easier to distinguish him from cody)

I’ve always just figured Cody and Obi-Wan have these high ranks but they also have their combat ranks. Like their attack battalion is the one they command but Cody’s overall role was Marshall commander. He was in the battlefield so he had to have his own legion and lower divisions too but he was the highest ranking clone outside of that too. Kind of like he’s the “team captain” of a sports team. He partakes in everything but he’s also in charge.

Actually a group of Clone Troopers is called a "Grey Baseplate"

I did not remember shit, but it was an awesome video

Great video man! I'd love to see a breakdown on the separatist army.

The best thing is regularly sending youre most high ranked troopers into aktive front line duty.

Rex isn't a commander. Appo was the commander of the 501st, then Commander Vill after his death. Rex was a captain, he was captain of torrent company.

@laisphinto6372

2 ай бұрын

rex is a bit like a centurion of the first cohort or a praetorian cohort that leads a special century meanwhile appo is the primus pilus or the camp prefect who does actually way more big picture commanding not just in the thick of things

Great stuff we need more Star Wars Educators.

The organisation, or lack thier of, of the GAR amd subsequent imperial navy always wound me up

I think we can split the tactical command structure from the logistical command structure. This is how real armies do it anyway. The logistical command is a sector army and it owns certain geography (Star sectors). The corps is a tactical unit and may be transferred between sector armies as needed.

Always found it funny when thinking about it, that most of the time afaik it’s shown as a Jedi general, his clone commander, and maybe a deputy, running these units. Esp at the corps level or sector army level, one would think that with the area covered by these units, actually managing and commanding the corps/sector army would be mentally impossible for 2-3 people with the amount of stuff/information they need to handle in a practical timeframe. Could be cool if they would dive more into the staff’s they’d probably have (could probably be battalion sized for the corps) imo

@rynonymouss

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree

To be fair, this makes the org charts for real life operations like TORCH and god forbid, Wellington’s pensinsular army look simple. British commanders of army, corps, division, and brigade like Wellington often technically commanded their own regiments, which themselves deployed battalions to entirely separate theaters and had parallel logistics, traditions, doctrine, and even equipment with every other regiment.

I'd like to see a video of you reforming this mess.

Obviously it's standars for commanders to keep certain sub units under their direct command. Likely to carry out more complicated tasks so the commander can ensure it's done properly

Good video, you should take a look at the Rebel Alliance next, hopefully they're less convoluted than the Clone Army.

Even in the U.S. Army, you have things like the Headquarters Company. Which is mainly an administrative unit that exists on paper to have somewhere to assign everyone with the unit it's within who aren't attached to any other subsidiary unit, to be fair, but they do result in nominally circular command structures and captains potentially in charge of higher ranks. This is dealt with both by the practical reality of not being able to order around your boss and by limiting the authority of the company commander to their specific duties. And in real life you do also get things like a CO taking direct command of a forward component while leaving the rest of their unit with its XO. (I'm thinking of a particular river crossing during WWII where the CO of a battalion went with the troops who established a beachhead on the far side of the river, leaving most of the unit behind with the XO.) Possibly in the show we're mainly shown smaller units when higher-level officers who at good at field combat (i.e., Jedi) are with them and have taken direct command.

"One of the serious problems in planning against GAR doctrine is that the Jedi do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine." - from CIS document "The reason that the Grand Army of the Republic does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the Clone army practices chaos on a daily basis." - Separatist Council Member "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!" - unnamed clone trooper

I have always assumed to an extent part of the reason we see so much fluctuation in command of the Grand Army of the Republic was because the Jedi would be deployed as needed and in certain cases would take over command of clones in the area. And that because of losses during the war you had higher ranking commanders a lot of time filling in the role of lower ranking squad or unit Commanders wow non clone officers were able to fill in those higher ranking roles. Which would explain why we have leadership that would be considered like a three-star General in modern times fighting on the front line. Also the Jedi might have been just too much of a valuable combat resource to allow to sit behind the lines and command. Great video. Consider me subscribed

I always assumed that because Skywalker wasn't a master he only led a company and that the rest of the 501st legion was doing something else, until Order 66 was issued and then Palpatine gave him command of the full legion.

This might be honestly the most convincing argument to me for why the Confederacy was defeated not because of how incompetent they were but because of self sabotage. Sheer numbers alone should’ve grounded down the GAR if they are fielding around 3.7 Million or so men

The biggest point of contention for me is the scale. Not just with GAR, but in general. Wars across the galaxy should be much grander affairs. Especially such as the separatist Crisis. A single world could easily form multiple army groups within their theater. In such a world the GAR is tiny. With that, my personal headcanon is that the clones truly are super soldiers each and every one. Way above what some of the on-screen appearances might have you believe. For an example when I run Star Wars RPG, my clones are all Nemesis-level characters comparable to jango fett in all but experience.

My guess would be that cody holds a role similar to that of the senior enlisted advisor where he doesnt actually exercise operational command authority over other units in the systems army but rather is just an advisor to obi wan

The Squad galactic contention mod is my favorite star wars game lol

The confusion was because jedi chose clones they liked and made them their assistant. Rex didn't have a permanent command so much as just accompanying Anakin

I think for Rex to say Battalion he meant that particular unit since the 501st as a brigade would consist of several battalions.

Anakin Skywalker is CO of 501st and Rex is CO of the Torrent Company. He seems to be 2ic of 501st but if that was the case both him and Skywalker would seat in brigade HQ far behind front lines so my bet is that there is normal chain of command but most Jedi want to lead from the front so they fight with, and command smaller units. That would explain why Cody and Kenobi are "in command" of every unit from battalion to sector army

It could sort of make sense if you consider that the GAR was activated only partway into its creation, some subunits and formations being deployed before their larger organic units were ready, and random Jedi pulling units away to defend special interests or do certain missions. Then when the wider formations were somewhat ready some of the relatively junior officers suddenly massively outweigh their supposed seniors in combat experience, and have better connections to their Jedi superiors, who for the most part hold Orbats in causal disdain.

'Leftenants' are spelt as 'Lieutenants' it's just a pronunciation. Same with 'Sargents' being 'Sergeants'

There are some errors in this video. I am wondering if you have consulted sources like _The Essential Guide to Warfare_ or if you based your analysis on this other creator's diagram, which also seems to contain a few mistakes. The main thing to understand is that the unique nature of the chain-of-command demanding that Jedi outrank clone troopers mean that even a Jedi Padawan with little battle experience is superior in authority to a clone marshal commander. This is known from countless sources going back to 2003. We see often in situations where a Padawan's master is missing, command then devolves to them. If we had to equate the GAR ranks to NATO ranks, it is as follows: • Jedi High General (OF-10) = marshal • Jedi General (OF-9) = general • Jedi Commander (OF-8), often a Jedi Padawan = lieutenant general • Clone marshal commander (OF-7) = major general • Clone senior commander (OF-6) = brigadier general • Clone regimental commander (OF-5) = colonel • Clone battalion commander (OF-4) = lieutenant colonel • Clone major (OF-3) = major • Clone captain (OF-2) = captain • Clone lieutenant (OF-1) = lieutenant One of the main errors in your video is the claim that Cody technically outranks Anakin. This is not true. You have to understand that the system is adapted to accommodate the prerequisite for Jedi to outrank clones despite clone officers' superior military experience. As a result, even though Anakin Skywalker outranks Cody, he is given direct command over a smaller unit, the 501st Legion, as the subordinate to Obi-Wan Kenobi. Clone marshal commanders like Cody are in official command of corps, like you suggested, but they also have the duty to be the main military advisor to the Jedi General. This is just the realistic development of Jedi needing the expertise of the clone commanders. Furthermore, Jedi and clone commanders certainly can take over a direct leadership role over a smaller unit within their army or corps. This appears to be the cause of some confusion in your video, as in why Obi-Wan commands both the Third Systems Army and the 7th Sky Corps and the 212th Attack Battalion. This isn't really so complicated. The superior officer may exercise direct command over a smaller unit being used for an operation at their discretion, that's all. We have seen often that they have even led small special ops missions. The diagram is in error for labelling the 3rd Systems Army under the joint command of Obi-Wan and Cody. Cody serves as his chief military advisor due to the lack of Jedi's expertise in military strategy and the need for a liaison over the clones. But as a marshal commander, Cody's official duty is to command a corps. Another mistake in your video is to disregard sector armies for system armies. The other way around would've made more sense. Systems armies are not well-discussed in the sources while _The Essential Guide to Warfare_ explains the significance of sector armies at length. The sector armies are equivalent to real-world military commands (like USCENTCOM, USINDOPACOM, etc.) They are important because their jurisdictions correspond to what would become military governorships under the Galactic Empire, ruled by Moffs and Grand Moffs. Each sector army is divided into 4 corps, but in practice, only 1 corps of each sector army was used as a mobile offensive operations unit while the other 3 would be decentralized into smaller regiments, brigades, and companies and used to garrison local worlds. The 9th Assault Corps should be under the command by Yoda, not Luminara Unduli. (I believe Wookieepedia is in error here). The confusion between the 9th Assault Corps and 41st Elite Corps seems to have been a genuine mistake on Lucasfilms' part, as the 41st Elite Corps has been described as a _legion_ within the 9th Assault Corps despite its name. In the Episode III Visual Dictionary, the clone trooper labelled as belonging to the 41st Elite Corps is not one based on Kashyyyk, but TCW exacerbated the confusion by referring to the troops under Gree the 41st as opposed to the 9th. The most logical way to fix this confusion in my opinion would be to have the 9th Assault Corps and 41st Elite Corps be parallel units in the same sector army. Perhaps in this case, two corps operated as mobile attack units instead of one.

I still can't believe Lucas or the EU authors or whoever the fuck came up with the manpower of the GAR only being ~3 million.

I’ve actually been working on fixing the Clone Army. I kept system and sector armies and I increased the size of the Clone Army since 3.2 mil is WAY too low for galactic scale battle

Does anyone else take issue with the small sizes of armies in Star Wars? 3.2 million clones to fight a galactic war? A similar amount of men died in Stalingrad. The US Army in WW2 had 18 million men. I always see people say that the main bulk of the GAR are volunteer reservists which is never implied at all and while would actually make total sense (use clones as shock troops keep these guys to garrison or reinforce, do logistics, etc.) it would sort of defeat the thematic purpose of the clones being tools/pawns to Palpatine.

@michaelsheal4015

2 ай бұрын

I don't know if this applies to Disney canon but In Legends canon the Clones where largest Centrally control ground force for the Republic but was not the Republic only ground force with Grand army of the Republic also having control over the Former Judicial Ground Forces along with Planetary Security Forces that had been nationalize over the course and the The Republic ministry of defense having nominal control over non nationalize psf over Republic member worlds

Imagine getting a fully qualified military guy who knows structure stuff, and discussing the structure of the GAR with them

@II-ix9eu

2 ай бұрын

Former Air Force here. Rank ≠ structure. This actually isn't too different from what we use

If its confusing just remember this army was put together in secret for several years and slapped onto the republic in even shorter time

Where can I find this chart I’ve ran clone units for ARMA 3 in the past and am thinking of doing so once again in the future. If not I can use this for flavor as a Zeus when I make ORBATs for my missions