If you are here to flame because you hate batching on Classic... Trust me, I hate it as much as you do. The problem isn't batching itself, the problem is the shitty tickrate of the Classic servers. Every private server had batching and nobody complained because the way it was implemented was much different and the server tickrate was faster.

Well this aged like milk.

Are you happy with the current spell batching windows now that the game has been out for 2 months?

Finally a video that talks about spell batching ! Thank you !

Mouseover macroes won't buff rogues. You used to loose combo points when you switched targets only in earlier versions of vanilla WoW. In patch 1.12 you only lost them when adding combo points to another target. This is often bugged on privat servers and I'm guessing that's where this misconception comes from.

@Greatwizard

5 жыл бұрын

☝️this - and mouseover macros are possible already in 1.12.1

@Rave.-

5 жыл бұрын

I had mouseover macros as a Rogue in vanilla. They were an absolute must. But yes, Pservers are bugged and CPs didn't drop like that in vanilla.

Great stuff. People like me don’t pvp enough to know these tricks, but I can see that SB is a bid deal. Really hope they fix content release as well.

I love how DIRE MAUL is such a hot topic.. The game launched in the EU later, and we had DM 1 month after launch (so basically as most people started hitting 55-60). We still enjoyed the game. While not familiar with the spell-batching (i tried to avoid PVP as STV scarred me for life as a holy priest (yes, i lvled holy... we didn't know any better back then :P)) That does sound like a legit issue, that could probably be fixed by forcing server ticks instead of real time updates wich does not sound THAT hard to implement. I wonder if they will though.

Why yes, I DO believe you would be the first person to think of classic wow as a journey. Think of all the lost money due to forgetting that TM. /s

Another thing that is nearly impossible on retail wow is sprinting into a hunter's flare, you can cheap shot or pounce a hunter on the same tick the flare debuff hits you, and that's super easy to pull off. Any mediocre rogue or druid can do it.

Good feedback !

I was a beta tester for Wow, my main on release was an enhancement shaman, and all I did was pvp and quest. I made Centurion with an Arcanite Reaper enchanted with Crusader. Those were fun days. Sure there were bugs, sure it was broken, but it was MY Wow, lol. Not to mention PoM Pyroblast with my mage. And in the 10-19 bracket a twink rogue with agility on both daggers was almost unstoppable.

So it sounds like they re-implemented spell batching by this point? Vanishing HoJ/Blind/Coil etc, gouging blinks and jumping charges are some of the most technically satisfying aspects of 1v1ing at a high level. Hoping we get to keep the skill cap.

Very valid points-- it baffles my mind that you don't have more subs, take one more tho!

i already use mouse over macros on private servers but i completely agree with the spell batching problem

I see on some of your videos that some people complain about your intro, so I'll let you know that I like it!

Vanishing anything is not dependent on batching, spell batching windows increase the chance of it happening, but the thing that makes vanish able to vanish anything to begin with is the unique properties of vanish, this is not dependent on large batch windows, but timing, if we had a batch window of 0.00001 seconds so long as the timing was right, vanish would still be able to vanish anything. You can and have always been able to vanish a deathcoil up close without batching, (or exaggerated batching windows) a great example is BC & WOTLK with vanish being the same, (but it exists on vanilla pservers with BC cores) vanishing blind, (an instant CC, not a projectile) was a thing.

Are you in SC? Saw the clemson jacket

@TheBlorgish

5 жыл бұрын

He Was born in SC but he doesn’t live in SC right now. Huge Clemson fan though

@anticoomer

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlorgish hate clemson but I'm from charleston, sweet

Way to go!!

Nice vid, as a rogue it will remove half of the plays that make the game fun.... Overlapping scatter/coil/hoj with gouge, blinding over priest fear, those sweet batched gouges on warriors entering battle stance and druids leaving form.. and then all of the examples you mentioned in this video. There is countless examples and we could sit here and list them all day. I didn't actually realise mouse over was in the demo, didn't think about that, what I was concerned about was focus frames and they don't exist on the demo right? Btw do you know if you can even vanish stuff like a rogues blind or cheap shot in bfa these days or is it just projectiles ? Sounds so boring

Though I agree with no mouseover macros, there is addons that allow it, so unless those get banned, rogues already got their buff.

@wunsen95

5 жыл бұрын

Not exactly, there is mouse over macros and focus add-ons on 1.12.1 sure, but how they actually work is by rapidly changing target - it's fast enough not to notice but the combo points will drop off due to the change in target

@joelswatten9611

5 жыл бұрын

@@wunsen95 but they didnt drop off in the final patch of vanilla until you attacked the next target.

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

Rogue points didnt drop unless you attacked , using blind on a second target then switching back to main target didnt cost you to lose them, so everyone is whining about nothing. Rogues weren't even a big deal in vanilla pvp unless you had 2 or more on you. 1v1 they were extremely easy to deal with with practically every class including ret paladins using seal of justice for random stuns.

To be honest, I'm fine the the pvp getting a good meta shift. Would be nice if the brought back SB. But it's still not a big deal. Would be more fun finding the new meta anyways.

Xjum is Gummy, the guy who shut down his own servers four times

@OhhgeeHaptixGaming

5 жыл бұрын

Hal shot I can confirm this is true but didn’t see any reason to mention it in the video

you got outplayed by a rogue, and thanks to spell batching you recovered. no thanks.

@mycatsleeps

5 жыл бұрын

Walked out of combat literally 200 iQ rogue

Its may lay btw not me lee

i had no idea spell batching was removed. Then again i havnt pvpd or even played much since mop because it became shit. either way, i agree. tricks like these are what seperate the great from the good, i hope they keep it in.

So you mean to tell that Blizzard simply do not have the old set up available? I mean any corporation would have this archived somewhere

well he was right that spell batching def changed classic

hmm i seem to gouge mages blink alot since classic release. so confirmed u can still do that!

i played two characters in vanilla to high warlord and i can tell you that spell-batching won't be missed. rogues did not loose their combopoints when switching targets, only if they start to generate combopoints on another target. so blind on an offtarget was working without loosing combopoints. i agree with you that your "tricks" won't work and that super-high-skill videos will be different, but that is not vanilla or classic. those arguments that you brought are only relevant to players playing private servers. back then in the old times, it just didn't matter. when I see all those guides and pvp videos from private servers, they remind me not a single bit the PvP I played so much back then. they are a showcase of min-maxing professions, gear, gadgets etc. in a duell or 1vX world pvp situation. I can understand that as a youtuber you want to deliver this content, but please don't claim that without it, the classic vanilla community will loose their authentic experience.

@OhhgeeHaptixGaming

5 жыл бұрын

kewlbfy sorry but you are mistaken about Rogue combo points. As for the experience, PvPers will notice a lack of spell batching and it will directly effect gameplay.

@Ven_de_Thiel

5 жыл бұрын

kewlbfy anyone who has played PvP at any half decent level prior to WoD knows how important SB is. Hydra got famous only off the back of his SW:D skills.

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming hes not wrong, rogues didnt lose combo points from switching a target to blind and switching back. Only if he attacked with a generator would rogue lose combo points.

@gradeyundery4939

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ven_de_Thiel who is hydra? btw rhetorical question

@godismannen

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshua7426 he's still wrong you do lose your combo points. there are however some private servers that let's you change target and still keep your cp on your original target.

400ms spell batching killed classic.

@relog

4 жыл бұрын

It’s still better then playing pserver

@corz90

3 жыл бұрын

pserver pop 20k no lag, just bad fps in cities. Whenever someone pops head in classic the server almost crashes, and open world huge pvp battles are just not possible

It wont be the same experiencie because its 2019. But wont be logical for the game if who pressed the button before land the spell first? It makes more sense then this spell batching thing. The meta changes and the strongest adapt.

that intro is way too long my dude

i like that first get 60 do pre dungeon bis n first raids n then we u have like 2 raid days for zg n bwl u can go we for bgs n rank.. its more chillthan have everything at first like most vanilla servers get 60 ndo pve n hard pvp is very time consuming

@Asuya93

5 жыл бұрын

+ hard wpvp early on which i rly like ;)

Great video dude However Spell Batching is not a big deal at all to me anyway

Mousover macro's already existed in Vanilla, but you needed a addon (Supermacro) for them to work cause it was a rather lengthy script. That point is invalid. About spellbatching: this is abit of echnology vs autenticity. Spellbatching has its pro's and cons what makes spellbatching so powerfull back then and on private servers is the residual lag between server ticks. Its not actually the server tick itself. Basicly what happens is that dureing a servertick actions get buffered and then added to the tick, all actions you described, is the effect of your computer talking to the server, and the enemies computer talking to the server and the server needing to send the information in both directions. This was done in batches to smoothen the the delay between actions, otherwise each individual action would take up to half a second to process, especially if someone was smashing buttons. Current technology has decreased this time so much its not nessicary anymore. What your describing is the product of technological restrictions, not of how it was intended. Its uncertain what will happen to spellbatching, if they will keep it in. A same case of technological limitations was the 16 debuff slot, wich they are keeping in. Regardless, when classic launches a lot of stuff needs to be tested anyways. If you don't like it, continue playing on a private server.

@Rave.-

5 жыл бұрын

Incorrect. Never had Supermacro, specifically had a mouseover macro for Blind as a Rogue in Vanilla.

they have said sharding is only for a bit... i for one don't mind that as long as blizz keep there word over it. its not that bad for few weeks if you think it over to get every one on the servers and they have said its not on for ever only few weeks have to give blizz a small bit of room as other ways the servers will go down like it did back in the old days for days at a time. guys have to be real what they can do if a server gets hit hard it will go down then no one on that server can play for days. just saying thats all

restealth on gauge always works with imp gauge

@jeromesdream132

5 жыл бұрын

Only on some private servers. It never reliably worked in retail, i habe first hand exp, abusi g imp gouge restealths since 2005

@senpaisan730

5 жыл бұрын

@@jeromesdream132 played mostly kronos, the most blizzlike, well scripted server i know and it worked there, so i guess we have to wait how blizzard will do it

@jeromesdream132

5 жыл бұрын

@@senpaisan730 it was broken on kronos. Not blizzlike. You were never able to reliably spam restealth sap and get it in retail. You had to time gouge closely before an energy tick because combat used to drop exactly at the 3rd energy tick, not a specific amount of time.

@steca1375

5 жыл бұрын

@@senpaisan730 Kronos is far from a " blizzlike well scripted server"

OMG no moonwalking :( That kills it for me smh.

@kylebennett4196

5 жыл бұрын

it made me sad too

Blizzard pls listen to this guy!

@MrBraffZachlin

5 жыл бұрын

you need a computer science class and so does he because neither of you realize what is really even happening and why. all this change means is the servers today can process key pushes in the correct chronological order regardless of mashing a million buttons so currently the player to hit the button first wins. what you dopes want is an old articfical fix designed to make up for the server lag in 2004 that made the chronological processing of key pushes problematic in an mmorpg on the scale of WoW TL;DR stfu

@ivn5180

5 жыл бұрын

you are stupid as your pic is ugly!

@Gaud720

4 жыл бұрын

@@ivn5180 i bet u feel so dumb now

I did a fair bit of pvp back in the day, but never heard of spell batching. Sounds kinda like a glitch that has been fixed since. These little hard to understand tricks only make the game worse, as you have to be super anal about it to be able to exploit them, leaving most players at a disadvantage and confused. So what if you have to play slightly differently? I would welcome this change.

because no one wants you to remove mouseover macros.

I don't like the word meta when it comes to wow pvp and if the new engine doesn't allow people on mounts simply avoid warrior charges by jumping to the side, I'm all up for it. That's not how it was intended to work and keeping bugs in the game is not blizzlike just for the sake of how it was in 2004 due bad coding.

Honestly, you make good points but without spell batching it rewards the better player, and makes fights more fair. Being able to counterspell a rogue that is in stealth should not be happening and gouging a player that has blinked 15 feet away from you should not happen as well because it just doesn't make sense. Why reward the player that doesn't manage their global cooldowns as well as the other player? Spell batching will give the slower player a chance at winning even if the other player is faster. No spell batching just makes more sense to me

no spell batching changes the class I'll play.. rogues going to be OP af

@MrBraffZachlin

5 жыл бұрын

not in BGs they aren't. you need like 1 in wsg to stand in the flag room to defend lolol. have fun. of course you can do what most rogues do in BGs and be useless to your team why you skulk around in stealth stealing kills or getting pointless ones a mile from an OBJ or team fight.

@war1497

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrBraffZachlin Dont forget peeling. sap, gouge, stun, rocket helmet, net, blind, grenade and thats your flag carrier that just crossed the midfield.

@MrBraffZachlin

5 жыл бұрын

@@war1497 rocket helm isnt a rogue thing, they are not a peeling class a mage peels nobody goes into a bg and expects the rogue to peel. anyone can use grenades or a rocket helm and tbh grenades from other classes can be a rogues worse nightmare. against a mage for example you wont ever get into stealth or near me if i have trinkets and grenades and all my peels and rank 1 aoe. a rogue is a one trick pony in many ways with some other mild utility via stealth like camping a flag in wsg or spinning a flag in AB. they are a terrible asset to a team fight and there really isnt any arguiing that. don't get al mad tho man all classes have stuff they are good and and suck at. and all classes can be mediocre in most BG roles but that doesn't even make em close to ideal so to sum up two things you mentioned are proofessions not rogue things the other ones are not a big deal in a bg and there are classes with way better peels and the fact you need to stealtth and or leave combat to apply some of your peels means a good team will negate you easy with huntter flare rank 1 blizzard or a milluion other ways. in a premad bg nobody wants more than 1 rogue. not in wsg anyway and not really in AB either except to camp goldmine, spin flags, stay sttealthed and make inc call outs. nobody in a premade says okay rogue you peel lol

@war1497

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrBraffZachlin I dont disagree with most points you made but as a first wave r14 on multiple servers and playing a rogue every time I gotta say that putting a rogue as a sole defender in the flagroom is useless against a proper premade who know what they are doing, other reason than to inform your team where the EFC is headed. A premade who has played against your team before knows you are defending and they will send a priest to help their druid/mage FC in which case a rogue aint going to do shit. You will get feared and walk around with dick in hands as the EFC is getting away. However to say that a rogue isnt a top notch peeler(if you are willing to burn a cd) is retarded af. You can disable nearly a whole team to get your FC across and thats just a fact. Dont turn this argument into something I didnt say. I didnt say "hurr durr bring 10 rogues to wsg or ab", no shit you only want 1 rogue in WSG. Rogues in general suck except for doing a couple niche things on a cooldown timer.

@MrBraffZachlin

5 жыл бұрын

@@war1497 well you may be correct about a single rogue as the enemy send two minimum preferably 3 men squads. i was just saying their main job is to stalth and defend or stealth in the enemy base in order to counter cap should they cap first, but that usually is mid game not from the jump and usually only evolves out of adjustments. i often stay back to defend with the rogue when flags reset even as a mage in non pre mades because nobody ever friggin defends. also knowing you are r14 even on one server would explain why you said the rogue could do all the things you said. i mean ppl like you can make classes perfom outside their ideal rols and to you it probably is somethign a rogue can do well but an r14 maage is still a better option for team fighting and peels however you are rpobably a better option than a bloodgaurd ranked mage player at that their classes role ya know. a side note here a shaman can do unreal things in the hands of a skilled player even in pve, but back then they were seen as a shit class and underplayed. i think shaman were the least understood class back then and it is so nice to see ppl today showing their viablitiy to even tank lvl 60 dungeons and perform all kinds of rolls including one shotting everyuone in pvp with two diff specs. if you know your class and the other classes and u use eng and on use items you can beast. for me pvp is an on use and consumable meta which is why i negated your rocket heklm stuff. what i mean by that is most classes can counter the their weaknesses and perform other oroles well with correct use of on use items and consumables. like for me i cannot kite a skilled mele player as a mage without grenades and some other cc because i dont have enough spells to keep them at bay for a long fight ican nova and slow and kite but if they use their items trinkets and cd's i better have something up my sleeve then grenade to the rescue.

rogues will also lose a lot from not having spellbatching. such as gouge and blind to counter a lot of abilities.. if anything rogues are one of the ones being hit the hardest by this. if they don't include spellbatching, among other things they're taking the piss with, private servers are gonna be a more authentic vanilla than classic will

@OhhgeeHaptixGaming

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its honestly hard to say whether Rouges will come out better or worse without spell batching. Not being able to Vanish close range Death Coils, not being able to Gouge Blinks, etc. are definitely Rogue nerfs. The way I see it, these plays are only really factors at high levels of play. The average Rogue doesn't Vanish Death Coils so they won't notice the lack of spell batching. But the average Rogue will definitely benefit from guaranteed Gouge -> Restealth and also from mouseover Blind+keep combo points (unrelated to spell batching). The fact that the nerfs to Rogues only apply to higher levels of play but the buffs to Rogues are much broader is what leads me to say that they will be OP compared to Vanilla.

FFS blizz listen to this dude

So what people are mad about,is that because the fixed engine allows things to happen in the correct order, and so the faster reaction is the one that wins. Seems like a pure positive experience change.

Just release it exactly how they released it before with everything exactly the same that’s it I don’t understand why everyone wants a little bit changed here and there

While M/O macros will be a fact of life with the current engine they're gonna run classic on, you can "nerf it" so that you lose CP if you cast cast a spell on another target.

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

M/o macros were in 1.12.1 , rogues didnt lose cp in vanilla when only casting blind on a secondary target only if they attacked with a dmg'r , so no need to nerf it. People literally whining about nothing.

@lootplx

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshua7426 You're talking out of your depth here bud. The act of switching a target in vanilla would lose all your combo points as a rogue. The M/O macro in vanilla checks if you have a target in your mouse over, then casts blind on that target. Hence you lose all your combo points. Nice try though, but do your diligence before you spread misinformation about things you don't have any actual knowledge about.

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

@@lootplx having played a rogue from 2004 to 2019, umm nope casting blind did cause loss of cp only attacking. Gotta stop playing on those bugged private servers, they ruin you're actual remembrance of the true client. Bet you believe retail rogues could use +nature dmg cloth to spam poisons and strafe backstab too huh?

@lootplx

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshua7426 Rich, also played a rogue from 2005-2008. Not only do I remember it losing combo points. You can even see it on rogue PVP videos from back in the day & PATCH NOTES. wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.4.0 Keep on talking will you ;)

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

@@lootplx that's because in those videos you can see them clearly attacking a secondary player. Lol I can single out a specific patch too, launch til 1.4 was not an issue , then pre portal patch rogues no longer lost cp again ;) still vanilla. M/O was also a thing in vanilla so it never became an issue.. so like originally said all of you are whining for nothing

Mouseover macros are a buff to literally everything, not just rogues. Are you serious? I literally use mouseovers for almost everything on every class. It gives you quicker reactions than having to click on stuff. It's beyond ignorant for you to think mouseovers are a bad thing.

seriously 400 ms tickrate in 2020 makes me want to shoot myself as healer... 3 second cast time to heal tank at 90% hp. oh he took 2 autos while casting and 3rd auto was in same spell batch 350 ms after cast finished so he died. oh yeah u fake casted that interrupt .1 second before getting kicked? so you start recasting .3 seconds later? oh wait that kick was spell batched and you get kicked on the 2nd recast ah great guess ill just die. spellbatching in classic is the most pointlessly enraging mechanic in any online competitive game, I mean I wouldnt mind 50-150 ms batches but did they really need to make it nearly half of the fucking GCD?!

Great job with this video, the game is completely fucked now.

Jesus Christ, these comments are insanely nitpicky and obnoxious. Spell batching is a big enough issue to complain about? Holy hell, why not complain about the fact that we have decent fucking internet speeds, reliable computers that don't crash all the time, and good monitors / mice / keyboards with low latency? All of the things I just mentioned are going to have a bigger impact on classic WoW than spell batching, and if you disagree then you're not a classic WoW player - you're a private server player who has already adjusted to these things for a while now. Classic is being kept authentic up until the point of hardware and server limitations not existing anymore. You people are complaining that Classic is different because Blizzard actually has the power to polish buggy shit now when everything I just mentioned has a much bigger impact on the game.

lmao at buffing rogues beyond what they already were in vanilla

The idea of paying the current Activision/Blizzard to play this game, when it isn't even as accurately recreated as private servers, is.... It just doesn't feel good. The Blizzard that made this game doesn't even exist anymore. I want to pay my monthly fee to the people who made the game, not this monstrosity of a company. Honestly, fucking moonwalking matters, let alone spell batching etc. Moonwalking fucking matters.

Yeah the intro is too long, lol

It's actually funny to see people still kissing Blizzard's a@% when they downvote your post on the Classic reddit into oblivion with astroturfing accounts. Wonder when you guys will figure out this is just a 6 month dumbed down Vanilla (Classicast already tried to sell the 6 month time frame to Naxx) to sell the rose tinted glasses narrative. You actually think a game where I would say 95 percent of the players took 2-3 months to get to 60 are going to get their head kicked in by tier 2 and then 3 months later Naxx Gear where PvP goes South. Classic is designed to fail right before their next expansion releases. It's nothing but a trojan horse to get people on the modern game. They have broken ALL raids until Naxx, and PVP completely for the reasons you point out. In addition cancer specs like SL lock that will be much more prevalent due to 16 debuff limits in at the start. Classic is 100 percent going to be a failure. It's designed that way and Blizzard fanboys that don't realize this company no longer even has a CEO are sitting there saying nothing as Brack and Ion sabotage it. Classic doesn't even have a lead. That says it all. The lead and decision maker is Ion who needs to protect his job with the modern game. Keep supporting this company though dummies.

@EsfandTV

5 жыл бұрын

Who the hell would think it's a good idea to release Naxx 6 months after launch? None of us has ever said that lmao, everything you're saying about that idea is true though, it would be absolutely terrible. You'd have to be a moron to think Naxx 6 months after launch is a good idea. I literally do a video where I talked about how their current proposal for phased content release is bad and it needs to be at least 6 phases, probably 7, and Naxx should come out a year and a half after launch.

@montys8th

5 жыл бұрын

And that's Esfand with the Hammer of Justice smashing the OP to the nearest graveyard.

@hackintosh3899

5 жыл бұрын

@@montys8th You mean the fraud who never responded who has been outed as a fraud by Blizzard themselves? www.influencerupdate.biz/news/67499/blizzards-saralyn-smith-the-power-is-with-the-influencers-we-all-know-that-its-the-age-of-influencers/ How about you ask this unethical sellout who Blizzard has chosen to "spotlight" and be our filter to ask Blizzard any of the following. "Can the modern Classic WoW client support a lot of people on screen or is it as bad as BFA that has ability delay in a 40 on 40 BG in the initial push". "Defend no spellbatching and explain how pvp won't be completely ruined". "Defend DM at release which will result in a broken economy. Defend further nerfing already nerfed raids which will kill the community and make everything puggable until Nax, which defeats the entire point of Vanilla". "What is the release structure of Nax. How far in do you intend to release it. Vanilla WoW was a 2 plus year game, but all the nerfs to raids and sped up deployment of things like DM show you are accelerating the timeline". "Do you really expect the average player to level for 3 months and then find themselves facing people in tier 2 almost immediately or to play a greatly shorted experience that makes the time to level not worth it?". NM just go give this fraud patreon money. This is why influencers work. People are as dumb as you. You actually think Esfand gives a single #%#& about Vanilla and not the money he's making, when he and all of Classicast are only visible and relevant because Blizzard made them relevant. They will drop a failed Classic as soon as the expanion after BFA comes out. They they will sell another changed, broken legacy server (TBC) as "no changes".

@Ravangers

5 жыл бұрын

its not even out yet you clow, you dont know any of that shit.

*Ok first of all mouseover can be used with just making addons for it, there is no need for macros.* *Secondly you're afraid of that making it in a certain way will make x class unbalanced blablabla.* *Dude you are playing Vanilla which is by far the most unbalanced version of WoW in existence.* *and let me guess, you're going to play Mage or Rogue and spam trinkets and gadgets too --- maaaaan gtfo with your "balance"*

@joelswatten9611

5 жыл бұрын

This ^

@MrBraffZachlin

5 жыл бұрын

you are parroting shit you have heard online and likely have little actual experience leveling or playing at max in vanilla. it is far from unbalanced. it is a consumable and item meta in pvp, similar to a moba. every class can use a consumable or a trinket or other on use off hand etc.. to compensate for their class. this is why vanilla pvp is the best thing ever created. it is far far from unbalanced. high skill ceiling sure, seemingly unbalanced if you suck sure, don't use these items and consumables right sure it's unbalanced but approach a fight correctly by knowing what the opposition is about to do and use every tool in the arsenal know the ame and its classes, specs and items inside out and you will see it is none of those things it is perfection. it is like magic the gathering played with a 1 second decision timer on steroids. it is also a rock paper scissor without consumables and items by design again to make it balanced. what I mean is a mage defeats warrior warrior defeates warlock and warlock defeats mage. this creates team synergy, and planning and BALANCE. so please stop repeating mantra left over from 2004 when ppl didn't understand what they had in vanilla. you will see how diff it is this time meta and viability wise for many specs. we had raiders clicking in vanilla so anything ppl said then is irrelevant. the player base had over a decade to mature and vanilla is gonna be epic, especially pvp

@war1497

5 жыл бұрын

Top kek. Vanilla pvp is the most balanced pvp in all of wow. It sounds like you are just regurgitating what you've heard from dogshit players.

Spell Batching is absolutely essential to the true spirit of Vanilla PvP. If Blizzard is sticking to their word of “authentic” then they will fix this before launch

@joshua7426

5 жыл бұрын

It's not essential and it's not gonna be authentic. They've already said gear stat itemization is going to be fixed like it was in 2.0 pre opening of portal patch, paladins and druids will finally be viable tanking and dps like they were pre opening. Honestly is a good thing tho

1.30

I'm enjoying clickbait videos like these slowly eating their words one update release at a time.

There are some people that don't want the game to be exactly how it was in 2004 ya know. I'm perfectly ok with all the bullshit nuances not being a part of the game anymore. How are we certain that batch processing actions resulted in intended functionality in the first place? The effort to recreate nuances in technical design (code from circa 2004) is a waste of engineering resources. I'd rather things to be retuned or reworked to account for the discrepancy. People are going to be playing this game with sub 30 ms latency. Servers are faster. Networks are faster. As long as the game is highly responsive, it will be more competitive. Everyone wants to talk about mechanics, but no one wants to talk about some mechanics that made PvP non-competitive. I'd rather the focus to shift on making BGs more compelling from a competitive standpoint like individual respawn timers. I'd rather have _new_ battlegrounds that blizzard wanted to implement and couldn't because of time/budget restraints. I don't want an exact mirror-image of 2004. I want a _better_ vanilla wow.

So basically without spell batching the game will run smoothy and prevent exploitations that are god awful for competitive or even skillful gameplay?! Fine cool.

@Ven_de_Thiel

5 жыл бұрын

Reed Leighton ??? Have you actually done PVP at over 1.2k?

@Reed0Sparky0Leighton

5 жыл бұрын

Ven dethiel Currently in BFA Im 2100+ in rbg and 3. Not sure what your point is though.

@caydric7562

5 жыл бұрын

@@Reed0Sparky0Leighton These "exploitations" makes the game more complex and rise the skillcap actually. If you look at some pvp tricks (from vanilla or TBC/wotlk) like shatter combo, sw:d CCs, vanish coils, etc these things are well known now and add an other level of play, people need to juke more to be successful, people can bluff about them using blind/sheep or chose to use a cooldown to secure it (like cs the priest so he cant swd, or rogue using cos to prevent the swd on his blind when he runs toward priest per example). You see these things when people are decent at pvp (idk about today's wow) and its a nice thing.

@JaykeASREAL

5 жыл бұрын

@@Reed0Sparky0Leighton 2100 IN RBG IN BFA. U FUCKING GOD LMAO. mate i played some rbgs the other day at 2.2 mmr to cap and the players are complete dog shite back peddling all over the place. x fucking d

@mirro-5808

5 жыл бұрын

@@caydric7562 you are 100% right, but shouldn't waste time trying to explain it to low IQ clowns :)

no honor system while leveling on fresh = DOA. all there is to it. im shocked no one is talking about this. literally the best part of fresh launch.

Intros are so 2015

Had to stop watching once you started implying that you were the only person ever in existence to claim that Classic was 'about the journey'. It's been said thousands of times, and by people that don't fancy themselves 'Classic experts'. Can't take you seriously.

*outdated* :D

Face it, spell batching won't happen. Its doable but not cost/effort effective for them.

aka mages and rouges, cant abuse their shit strats

I have no interest in vanilla

Spell batching is a dumb idea for modern PCs!!!!

It just wont be the same. Classic players want something that we can really sink some dedication into. With an unbalanced reward and progression system and unbalanced pvp we just wont get that. Blizzard have proven that they no longer have the ability to give a shit about core gameplay like this. And its starting to kill off this company for good. At least the end of 2018 gives hope. Many gamers have been looking for the next level of gaming. And the triple As are largely failing. And hopefully some fking company notices and makes a real game for us. Because right now there's a LOT of money ready to be spent by us. And we are just sick of this bullshit. No more trusting these money first companies. It's why people want vanilla. Because it was the pinnacle of gaming and it hasn't been surpassed

I was gonna play Classic until I saw this. :| *RIP*

its good that spell batching is gone, nothing annoys more then getting sheept even thou my silence was perfect. Also it did NOT work like that til WoD, i don't know much about Patch notes and all thoses changed but i played them all and shit like that wasn't present anymore in TBC. Maybe this Spell batching was still there? no clue but 1 thing is sure. There is no way that gauge and blink at the same time happen, also sheep while silence him on 75% of his cast but still getting sheept or getting a mass fear of between Cheap shot and Kidney. Blizzard got rid of this stuff cuz it reduces the amount of skill you need. Also getting kicked on a cast even thou you'r pretty sure you stoped the cast befor he actually kicked hmmmmm this sweet skill am i right?

@Uhdksurvhunter

5 жыл бұрын

This can still happen to this day, albeit its way more rare, since the timeframe is way lower and there is absolutely no way of having reaction times as short as those, so when it happens its random as fuck. But ive done my fair share of arenas throughout wows history, and i cant count how many times ive gotten a cast off, but still got locked out of that school. (EVEN IN BFA) What vanilla / TBC does is increase that timeframe to a reactionable level where if you see the deathcoil coming at you, or if you instinctively know its coming you can be ready to just pop it off. And it does not matter if you dislike it or not, it was there then, hopefully it will be there when they are done.

@wunsen95

5 жыл бұрын

Gouge blink happened in cata even, go watch reckful vid it's like first couple scenes

@wunsen95

5 жыл бұрын

Also evidently the silence is not perfect in that scenario. If it was perfect you would not get sheeped, use it earlier. A perfect silence would have accounted for the game mechanics.

@Ven_de_Thiel

5 жыл бұрын

You can *not* get kicked on your faked casts even with SB. For gouge blink, like was said go watch reckful 3 and then some.

@Uhdksurvhunter

5 жыл бұрын

If the casts you were talking about was referring to my comment, i never said fake, i said i casted (spell is airborne and hit the target) but i still got locked out of my holy school for 5 seconds :) This still happens to this day.

wPvP in vanilla has always been to unbalanced and no sense, it created a very toxic environment. What Blizz should have done is allow pvp only when you fight a player of same lvl as you.

@war1497

5 жыл бұрын

Its mongoloids like you that made WoW as shitty as it is today.