I listened to the trial. SHE BROUGHT THE LIVE ROUNDS ON SET. Her boss who took a plea deal claims he gave her the live amo. Her attitude and jail calls are atrocious and never apologized for her actions. She never took responsibility. She also snuck a weapon into a bar after the arrest and she wasn't supposed to be drinking. I can't believe her.

@Alec_Collins78

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for reminding me she took them on set.

@MrLewisDuval

2 ай бұрын

What????? That’s bonkers

BBC news stated: During the trial, prosecutors presented evidence that Gutierrez-Reed had brought a box of live bullets to the New Mexico film set from her California home. They said these live rounds slowly spread throughout the set over the course of 12 days.

The Prosecuter proved that the live rounds came with Gutierez. They proved it with time stamped photo evidence during trial. They traced the live rounds from crew photos of costumes, back to their original boxes when they first arrived on set (which was Oct 12) via photographs. The procecutor suggested that Hanna, in her haphazardly kept stock of rounds, mixed with rounds from another production, live rounds got mixed into the Rust batch. They showed this evidence somewhere within the last day or so of the trial, and AGAIN during closing arguments.

My understanding is that the Armorer brought the live rounds. A few took guns out to practice shooting with live rounds. The Armorer did not do her job.

This whole situation is horrible, and there was a small part of me that felt bad for Hannah during the trial. But yesterday during the sentencing, the judge revealed what Hannah was saying in some recorded jailhouse phone calls and it was shocking. She definitely deserved the full 18 month sentence.

@Alec_Collins78

2 ай бұрын

Yup. John's being compassionate, but it's hard to be, knowing what you know if you've kept up on court proceedings.

@Alec_Collins78

2 ай бұрын

That said, she's hardly surrounded by people who've tried to make her take responsibility.

they were shooting live rounds at bottles for fun when not filming obv someone didn't unload the gun after shooting some bottles

To answer @Johns Campea's question of the live ammo. The armorer had brought rounds to the set one day so that they could do some real shooting. I dont remember if its from the same day or not but that is the information that came out months ago.

So I don’t know if you’ve seen, but there is a video clip of the judge making sentence to the woman that is in jail now and she was reading some things that were said by her that sounded like this girl didn’t even have any remorse about anything that happened

Several stunt people working on the film quit before the accident because they felt the set was unsafe.

John and crew, you should watch the sentencing...and how the judge talked to her. There really wasn't any remorse for her actions. Yes, she was sad that it happened to her, but her life has been changed...with little thought of the life that was taken. It was really eye opening. Mind boggling, in fact.

I thought they were hard on her at first , but listen to the Judges statement. I totally get why she threw the book at her now. Also, back when this first happened, I head people on the seat saying it was not unusual during down time or after filming the crew would hang out. Maybe some BBQ, maybe some drinking was done, and sometimes a little recreational plinking. Suddenly this scenario leading to the tragedy seems totally feasible.

She deserves much more than 18 months. I get that people make mistakes, but this is an embarrassment in the justice system. Hutchins and her family deserve more justice than this.

I watched alot of the trial and my impression was that hannah accidentally brought the live rounds on set. She was shown to be very disorganized, just throwing her rounds into a fanny pack, and she probably wasnt paying attention to what bullets she brought from her home.

should of been at least 5yrs

The judge was pissed! And her time came as much for her attitude as the actual incident. She blamed everyone else but herself and the whole time all she cared about was how much this affected her. Her jail phone calls where in the record and they were nuts. And as for the live bullets a bunch of suggestions were made about where they came from. Most believe they came from the bullets from her father thell reed. The other possibility is the came from the guy that made a plea deal.

@marshsundeen

2 ай бұрын

The Assistant Director should have been charged.

@roxxychik06

2 ай бұрын

@@marshsundeen he was. He took a plea deal. The same deal she was offered and turned down.

Sentence feels short for her failing to do her job and it directly resulting in someone’s death.

They had a mix of THREE types of ammo: 1) Live - which had NO PLACE on a movie set. 2) Blanks - Potentially dangerous, but fine if handled with proper caution, and needed on a movie set. 3) Dummy (i.e. inert lumps of metal that just look like bullets) - Also useful for movies. Anyone with experience in firearms training or running a range knows that there is never a time when you mix up any two of the above. If you want to transition from one type to another in a training exercise, one or the other is always in a locked ammo box, and all guns, magazines and ammo pouches are thoroughly inspected before you can switch to the other one. On top of that, the weapons handling on set was absolutely terrible. From the nepo-baby "armorer" to the assistant director, to the star/producer. All awful. If you are one of those people who think all guns are icky, that's fine - then do movies without guns. If you want to touch a gun in a movie, then you should be trained to properly handle and respect the deadly tool that is a firearm. Doesn't mean you have to become a gun nut, doesn't even mean you ever have to fire a live round, but you need to be properly trained in handling and safety, with regular refresher training. If your movie doesn't have the budget for that, then use rubber guns.

I also feel a little bad for Baldwin as he accidentally shot someone through no fault of his own.

Sad state of affairs

You can see where the conspiracy comes in. Why would live rounds be on the set anyway? Those answers need perspective.

You would think after what happened to Brandon Lee that there would be no chance of that ever happening again.

@xarachne8473

2 ай бұрын

You would think enough information was out for you to know this wasn't the same thing

Do you all not know the difference between the word Jail and Prison? She is going to Prison. No real remorse she was lucky that is all she got. You should actually watch the trial she literally said she didn't have to check it every time.

One could assume that since the brandon lee situation studios would've learned their lesson, but as we can see they didn't. I truly believe that 18 months is a pretty fair price to pay because after all this was an accident. But yeah, they should investigate HOW a live round came inton a studio

@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677

2 ай бұрын

The low budget movies are like the wild wild West

@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677

2 ай бұрын

@Whatwhatwhat1135 so a set of out of college people who get paid like 1/10th what studio guys dont have worse standards?

@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677

2 ай бұрын

@Whatwhatwhat1135 bro, have you worked on low budget sets?

I think he's got the details of events confused. For example, she wasn't the one who said 'cold gun!'.

@jasonthomas5793

2 ай бұрын

Maybe not, but she gave indication to the 1st A.D that it was a 'cold gun' on set.

I could be wrong but several insiders claim on other sets she was unsafe with fire arms but nothing happened: that she had a pattern of not being great at her job. The actors I saw were saying what they heard so I believe it was hearsay and didn’t watch the trial so could be wrong.

@culturewarsdiplomacy

2 ай бұрын

The Old Way with Nicholas Cage was the movie and firearms were going off multiple times and cage was pissed.

When you drive drunk you don’t intend to hurt anyone either.

@jasonthomas5793

2 ай бұрын

Driving drunk isn't the same as being handed a gun you think hasn't got live rounds in them. When drive under the influence you're doing this knowingly. Baldwin had no knowledge of the live rounds in the gun.

@metalliholic

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonthomas5793 not Baldwin, the Armorer whose sole job is to keep people safe. When your job can impact people’s lives you don’t make mistake or half ass your job. It’s dumb that campea says he makes mistakes too, yea but his job doesn’t involve deadly weapons.

I wonder if we get that answer in Baldwin’s trial

Why are there live rounds on a movie set? I never got that. Someone explain to me why they do.

@bcatbb2896

2 ай бұрын

Not supposed to Apparently the girl I. Question was bringing her own gun and ammo around as well and likely mixed her own bullet in with the fake rounds

@tiwanx

2 ай бұрын

@@bcatbb2896 same happens to Brandon Lee. Shot on set... Thought they learn from that... 30 years ago... Smh

@oscarortiz1529

2 ай бұрын

@@tiwanxfrom what I’ve heard Brandon Lee did die from a prop bullet in a prop gun. There was a malfunction in the gun which ended up propelling the prop round as if it was a regular bullet which had enough velocity to kill him

Also, there was a fair bit of questioning at the trial concerning where the live rounds came from; it may be a thing people aren't talking about, but that would just be due to bad reporting. The prosecution's theory was that the live rounds were mixed in with a box of dummies Hannah provided the shoot from a past set she was on (I think she retrieved them from her stepdad, but I may be wrong). The defense's theory was that Seth Kenney, who provided the firearms for the set, had them mixed in with dummies he provided. The FBI did investigate and the rounds found on set don't seem to match any of the rounds Kenney had. However, the FBI search was conducted like a month after the shooting, so the defense basically had to resort to "oh, it was him, but there's no evidence bc he had time to get rid of it all".

Weren’t they shooting bottles and cans between production?

@marshsundeen

2 ай бұрын

Yes and the Armorer brought the live rounds to the set.

@prettyflyforafilipin

2 ай бұрын

@@marshsundeen then she’s lucky she only got 18 for voluntarily bringing live rounds to the set.

@marshsundeen

2 ай бұрын

@@prettyflyforafilipin I think that was the max for her charge.

That’s it? She got a great sentence then. A person died because you didn’t do your job and get only 18 months.

Yup someone isn’t saying and is responsible for all this.

Whether she wanted to hurt someone or not is irrelevant, every drunk driver has no intention of hurting anyone, the NFL player who drove 110 mph over the speed limit on a city Street and killed a woman and her child had no intention of hurting someone. Her negligence was spectacular, the things she said while in custody (that the judge described) was gross, she has zero remorse.

You knew they probably went out to shoot the guns after shooting to have some fun and one got left in there

@thomasburciaga8013

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I thought they had said thats what had happened

@LCDigital92

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasburciaga8013Yeah.

How does something like that even happen? Seems like something was amiss

Ive never heard of this happening before tbh. Does this happen more often in the movie industry? I am now wondering if their was also a trial against the armorer of the crow when brandon lee died🤔

@marshsundeen

2 ай бұрын

I do not believe anyone was charged. If I remember correctly, he pulled the trigger not realizing the result would be deadly.

@c17sam90

2 ай бұрын

I think that was all settled somehow

@marshsundeen

2 ай бұрын

@@c17sam90 according to Wikipedia, Lee's mother filed a lawsuit against the production company. She won the suit which was resolved in two months.

The hearing and submissions around her sentencing were a little wild. Her lawyer submitted some very convincing and moving character letters about how good of a person she is and how remorseful she is about the incident...and the prosecutor submitted *a bunch* of jailhouse calls she made that very clearly showed she doesn't feel it was her fault at all. You could tell when the judge handed down the sentence, she just wanted to nail Hannah to a wall.

3:30 the month before this week, she was recorded- 'I hope this doesn't impede my modeling,' she's got an only fans? And was callous towards the case and bet it'd be just 11-13 months. The Judge, after reading what was recorded to the courtroom? Hannah rolled her eyes and shook her head. The Judge then said- 'How can I believe a word you JUST said to the courtroom with your utter disregard for compassion such as this'. The sendencing was broadcast, as was the whole trial. It's a hard watch, and the sentencing has you a bit livid. BUT the closing arguement from the prosecution go against the Baldwin cases' prosecution statements.

Always check weapon and don't drop the soap

Did you hear her phone calls? She's not remorseful at all and is kinda an ahole tbh. She deserves more time for that alone.

Chalk it all up laziness. The set atmosphere was too lax.

What is a live round doing in a prop fine?!!

@dennito5384

2 ай бұрын

My guess is that somebody brought in the revolver from someone's house or somewhere thinking it was fake and/or unloaded, and she and nobody else checked it.

If i was the one who fired the gun i would be traumatized. Although not my fault, i would not be able to face the victim's family.

Forgive my ignorance, but in today's day and age, why do ANY prop arms have to carry live ammo?

A year and a half in prison is life altering, she’s got a rough journey in front of her. Not saying she doesn’t deserve it.

He only shot the gun

Personally I think she should have gotten a longer sentence, because SOMEONE DIED BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T DO HER JOB and to only get 18 months is ridiculous.

@twilk7288

2 ай бұрын

but under New Mexico law, she did get the max.

Lots of places have deadly consequences with their jobs. Anything mechanical, electrical or industrial can be deadly. Accidents happen and people can get killed on the jib. Usually it's their own fault but sometimes someone else is to blame and they get punished if they were at fault.

well Brandon Lee died, nobody was charge for their irresponsability, so at least Halyna's family for a little bit of justice.

@brianyaeger8209

2 ай бұрын

I think, if I remember correctly, that Lee died because of a malfunction with the prop gun, NOT because someone loaded a live round into the chamber Basically Lee was a tragic accident, not negligence

@elsacristina9

2 ай бұрын

@@brianyaeger8209 No dear. Brandon Lee died because nobody check the barrel of the gun and was a piece of dummy round stuck in the barrel, because someone forgot to remove the primer of the dummy round, and because of that it got stuck, and when they loaded with blanks, they didn't check the barrel, so when the Michael Masse fired the gun, because of the gunpowder of the blank made that squid load act like a real bullet flying from the barrel, and shot Brandon. Yes dude, it was negligence; cause if someone had removed the primer of the dummy round, and then check the barrel of the gun, Brandon was still alive. And guess what, the gun expert was not even on set cause they sent him home the day before. Do yourself a favor, check the video here on KZread; How Brandon Lee died on the set of the Crow and you can see at minute four when a gun expert explain exactly what happened and he said if someone just took time to check the barrel of the gun the should have been avoid.

@jasonthomas5793

2 ай бұрын

​@brianyaeger8209 it wasn’t a malfunction with the prop. "the lead tip of a bullet from a previous scene had stayed in the barrel of a handgun and when a blank was shot it fired the piece of bullet" "the gunpowder in the blank cartridge ignited, leading Massee to unknowingly fire the bullet fragment." It was ruled they couldn't have known it being there.

@elsacristina9

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonthomas5793 it was neglicence. And yes they could have known if they did their job, like check the F*** barrel. How hard was that? There was not charge cause a settle was made on court and they payed I don't know the amount of money to Lee's family, cause his mother charge the production and Michael Massee, which in this case the poor guy was also a victim, cause he was just an actor not producer or executive producer of the movie like Baldwin was on the Rust.

@brianyaeger8209

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonthomas5793 thanks! My memory was wrong on this. Good to know better what happened

What qualified her for that job?

@heatherbukowski2102

2 ай бұрын

her genes (nepo job; her dad I believe is in the industry)

Gonna be lots of comments on who is "more guilty", and honestly, miss me with that shit.

usa senate should introduce the brandon lee safety protection act bill to have mandatory gun inspections on set of action movies here’s a question….was the gun that killed brandon lee on the set of the 1993 movie the crow?

Could someone swap bullets in the fake bullet box? They look any different? Was it a sabotage? 😉 Film at 11…

whats sad is her career is over cant handle anything ever again as a felon.

18 months??!!!!!! She got someone killed and got 18 MONTHS???!! This would of been a black dude he would of got life in prison. Wild bro.

@raymondsmith6870

2 ай бұрын

You mean like Jayson Williams

@taihirglover8469

2 ай бұрын

@@raymondsmith6870 My bad I had to look him up I never heard of this before this is different tho idk if he owns that gun legally and why he had that gun out in the first place etc. this with the Armoror she had to check and make sure everything was good before the shoot.

@raymondsmith6870

2 ай бұрын

@@taihirglover8469 In ``Loose Balls,'' Williams said he almost shot New York Jets wide receiver Wayne Chrebet while they took target practice along with New York Giants cornerback Jason Sehorn, ``We were taking turns shooting the .50-caliber Desert Eagle, the most powerful handgun in the world,'' the newspaper quoted Williams as writing. It said Williams got distracted and turned around while firing the gun. ``What I didn't realize was that Wayne (Chrebet) was right in front of me, kneeling down to pick up one of the cartridges,'' Williams wrote. ``So when I fired the gun, it must have been just a few inches from Wayne's face, 'cause the noise knocked him out cold.'' Williams, who retired as a player in 2000 and now works as an NBC studio analyst, also wrote that Sehorn ran inside the house in fear.

I just don’t understand how a live bullet was set in the first place… it’s a very strange situation - also you should never point a weapon at someone regardless of it being a cold weapon or not - that being said 18 months is fair.

@shill1444

2 ай бұрын

No. She was actually the person that brought the Live fire ammo onto the set. Don't get me wrong, Alec Baldwin is an idiot for not dry firing and checking the gun like he was supposed to. But yes, she is ultimately to blame. Not to mention the multiple people on the set that were talking about how careless she was.

@joshhunt4146

2 ай бұрын

@@shill1444 but why did she bring live ammunition to set? I’m not trying to blame any individual person here and I’m not into conspiracy theories - I’m just really curious about what happened that days and how it was allowed to happen

@shill1444

2 ай бұрын

@@joshhunt4146 - Oh yeah, no worries I get your point but yeah that is the question. Why would she do that? It just doesn't make any sense. When me and my friends were kids back in film school, we had to sit down and check all the blanks and the squibs we were using in any of our scenes just out of being nerds. Don't even think she could give a real reason why she brought ammo onto a film set.

@loganlablanc1343

2 ай бұрын

​​@@shill1444He doesn't have to dry fire at all though because the armorer is hired to make sure the gun is safe and the assistant director is then supposed to make sure it's safe and told Alec it was. Lol not Alrcs fault when he and the director were both told the gun was safe

Everyone should be held accountable especially Baldwin

@jlopez3a

2 ай бұрын

Baldwin for what?

@snohrt

2 ай бұрын

​@jlopez3a 3rd degree manslaughter.......it does not matter what anyone says or tells you. You treat every gun as if was loaded. He failed to personally check the firearm and the gun went off in his hands....so he is automatically responsible.

@jlopez3a

2 ай бұрын

@snohrt all actors play pretend for a living give me a break.

I’ve been watching for about 2 years but had a break for a year of the show due to being very busy with work, I honestly can’t stand Ray… every episode I’ve seen him in, he’s very uneducated and his topics are usually wrong or his wording of the topic is very all over the place.