music isn't supposed to just showcase vocal ability... i mean, who would want to only listen to people belting... there's much more to it other than singing in a certain way, otherwhise it would be boring

@txwtw

2 ай бұрын

The dude did say that there doesn’t need to be belting with every single line tho

that's why i'm happy that singers like raye are finally getting recognition raye are always having fun while singing cause she got a huge arsenal, a lot of techniques to play around with i also grew up with the whole trinity and even though i like a lot of recent singers, nowadays usually the vocals are quite bland and get a really boring, repetitive

I actually love this new Ariana album. I do and I don't mind that it's soft and breathy. As a follower of the holy trinity ✨️. Trust me I doubt anyone will ever come close. And Ariana, a student of mariah and possibly be mini mariah if she wanted to. Just saying..she comes very close. And I say this as a lamb. I agree is shifting and that's what happens... unfortunately 😒. That is why we have such classics and music from our legendary artists to forever go back too. Because they will forever withstand the test of time. These new artists and song are just hits and bops of the moment. The holy trinity 🙌 is forever. In closing again, I do like Ari's new album. It's cute. Something we need at the moment.

@Chloe4656.

Ай бұрын

Her music or singing voice isn't anything new though.

@trini2DBone134

5 күн бұрын

​@@Chloe4656.nobody said it was

she already disclosed this in an interview and i don't think you heard her intentions in this album... she is exploring and experimenting with her vocals. during thank u next she had a darker and lower tone and now shes doing something new with it.

Yea Ariana is whispering because she’s not singing Pop. Everything she releases doesn’t have to be Pop and full off whistles

@TheBromptonTraveler

3 ай бұрын

This video essay is nonsense, music is evolving, next thing we know soul and belty songs would be back ten years from now. He even acknowledged that.

Amy Winehouse didn't use the "belting" technique like some other famous singers; instead, her exceptional interpretation, emotiveness, and style set her apart. Being a "big belter" isn't the only way to be a great singer. Diversity, interpretation, and expressiveness are equally important. It's precisely the lack of diversity that you mentioned as an argument for why today's pop music, in general, can be disappointing. There must be character, personality, and diversity in music, including vocals. Using "big heights," powerful, piercing tones, often in higher registers, as the sole measure of great singers seems just as narrow-minded as those who whisper in the same way as murmuring revolutionaries. Claiming it's the one and only way to be a great singer? I don't agree with that.

My theory is that the music industry wants pop easy. The Whitneys, Mariah’s and Celine’s are too hard to find. Having crap singers makes it easier to exploit and replace a washed up star when they’re no good anymore. The industry execs can then tell the star, you’re only as famous and as rich as i’ll let you be. There is another element that wasn’t mentioned in the video, is that a voice has to be interesting to listen to also, Ariana’s isn’t interesting and is deathly forced, no artist has the depth and colour in their voice that the vocal trinity did, so they probably could get to some of the high notes but they wouldn’t sound as pleasant when doing it, hence the reason for singing breathy and boring.

@player12hello14

3 ай бұрын

Just have to have a catchy CHORUS.. Ari lost some power, tru, I think it's because where she sings at the top of her range...not belt. She sounds like she is straining. I'm a singer, training to keep n strengthen Ur Voice? ESSENTIAL

@user-rv7ge1tc4l

3 ай бұрын

or people just like these types of songs? I mean Taylor Swift is the ost popular artist in the world rn

@CorpCartelEscobar

3 ай бұрын

Taylor is different though, she’s not recognised for her singing ability, she doesn’t have any range, just a pleasant almost speaking voice. Taylors known for writing her own music and being a fun tween pop star. @@user-rv7ge1tc4l

@secretpleasures98

3 ай бұрын

its not hard to find talented people, there are big voices still out there, even in the music industry, however, they are not mainstream because that's not what the general public want. the general public change its interests from time to time.

@itzag3561

3 ай бұрын

Ok boomer.

I think in Ariana's case it's a mixture of today's style of music and singing (which one could argue is an outcome of singers' increasingly underdeveloped voices), the music that she liikes and her own underdeveloped voice. Sure she's a phenomenal singer but she can't pull off Through The Rain, Make It Happen, Never Forget You with the same power and strength Mariah has (and same goes for other legends' songs)

@clerk716

3 ай бұрын

An underdeveloped voice when shes cast in one of the most vocal challenging broadway roles is crazy.Plus she was belting left and right on yours truly 10th anniversary,which was a little before she embarked on making the album.

@KrissyKayyy

Ай бұрын

@@clerk716she was very nasally on that album and mariah in her prime had a more soulful and full voice. Make it happen wouldn’t sound the same if she sang it

@clerk716

Ай бұрын

@@KrissyKayyy I mean,sure,whether intentionally or unintentionally,she doesn't sing fully chesty or full.But I believe its more discerning of her because of her vocal type and less about her technique.All in all,I was challenging the notion that she has an undeveloped voice.

@TomRussle

Ай бұрын

@@clerk716 sure she has a different voice, but that doesn't constradict what I initially said. Her style of singing/music is partially a compromise. Mostly prominent in Positions, which was lackluster and felt unsatisfied vocally

@trini2DBone134

5 күн бұрын

underdeveloped where? 😂 girl bye

The thing about mariah is that, at least in her 90s albums, there was more than just vocals ... there was substance in the lyrics and she knew how to time things like her whistles so that it made the song more magical. Typically ariana would do whistles jusy bc she could ....

There's been a shift now from vocals to lyricism.

@FletcherMiddletonW

3 ай бұрын

That’s true

@secretpleasures98

3 ай бұрын

yes, just like in the late 90's and 00's it all shifted to dance performances. The music industry continuously changes

@sandhyanagarajan

3 ай бұрын

No, it's just that standards for musicians have gone way down, both vocally and lyrically. Sure, there are some great songwriters out there like Taylor Swift, but most singers nowadays don't even write their own songs or even if they do it's basically just random lyrics with no meaning lol. And the vocals are so bland nowadays and get really boring and repetitive

@KrissyKayyy

Ай бұрын

Yeah lana, lorde, sza, and the weeknd kind of changed the game with that. More people care about lyrics and production over vocals

@sandhyanagarajan

Ай бұрын

@@KrissyKayyy yes Sza, Lana, and The Weeknd are great songwriters and vocally they're not the best so yeah that's true.

so basically what u said is that singers should start using their voice, and said ariana needed to do so in her new album. Yes i kind of agree the album lacked some whistles in some corners. But what u need to undertsand is that she didnt plan to put this album this year, it was planned to be put after 2027 basically after she finished the wicked movie (both parts), and as we all know, she goes under voice trainning in there wich forces her to enunciate more than use her voice. Thats why you'll realize her voice is soft and in this album you can hear what she says. Overall its still a good abum with some high notes, some falssetos and good vocals, good production, her writing lyrics improved and finally its a non skip album.😋

I'm so grateful that I grew up with the vocal trinity! hate whisper singing and don't understand it at all. It's not singing and I used to sing, took vocal lessons for 8 years, so no one needs to argue with me about technique. (I will admit I like a couple of Billie Eilish songs and I definitely respect her talent) My favorite singer of all time is Mariah, but all she does now is whisper too. (Sadly though, this is because she lost her voice.) Remember Charmbracelet? That album had some really great songs, but all the vocals were whispery and that was over 20 years ago. I really appreciate this video because you've stated my struggle with current singers. I miss power. Let's not sleep on P!nk though. I know she's not as young as some these days, but that woman can still sing. I respect Ariana, but have never been a huge fan of hers. Even when she does sing like she can (and I'd never say she can't sing, she definitely has got it) she still lacks the "umf" that I call it - what the vocal trinity had.

@sandhyanagarajan

3 ай бұрын

YES, let’s not sleep on P!nk she is incredible!

LOL. Some people got to develop a wider range of taste. Honestly I don't think it's fair to compare the whole current industry to the old trinity. Back at before 90s,there were already singers that weren't focused on vocals. And nowadays there're vocalists,too. It's just that they might not be the most popular or the most praised ones in pop world. And that's totally fine,cause it doesn't mean that they're not recognized enough. It's just that music isn't all about vocals.

Sometimes they sing the way they do because it's damaging to their vocal chords to produce and perform songs that require them to sing high. For me, as long as it sounds good, it's good.

I’m fine with singers that aren’t too focused on their vocal ability, however it’ll be nice for more powerhouses to come back (and yes I am aware that that they still exist, I’m just saying that I hope powerhouses will come back in style and be more mainstream like how they were in the 80s and 90s.) though I do fear that if they do their power ballads will be too overly depressing if that makes sense? A lot of power ballads that I’ve seen that have come out more recent-ish are way too overly depressing and try too hard to be sad to the point that it can be hard to listen to but that’s just my opinion.

The same thoughts I was having. Ariana is a vocal beast but now her songs are whisper that whisper there.

@fawzinazih6817

3 ай бұрын

@CdawgAMVsFilmEditing THIS IS THE ALBUM WHERE SHE ENUNCIATED THE MOST, HER TRAINNING IN THE WICKED MOVIE HELPED HER CONTROL HER VOICE INSTEAD OF JUST SERVING WHISTLES

@iamambitious2910

3 ай бұрын

i dont enjoy u@CdawgAMVsFilmEditing

@iamambitious2910

3 ай бұрын

i dont enjoy u@CdawgAMVsFilmEditing

they aren't called the holy trinity, they are called the vocal trinity

@thesonof50men67

3 ай бұрын

Hahahahqhaha did he actually?😂 Edit: yup he did in the intro 😅😢

@peepthisbob8827

3 ай бұрын

Well they're my holy trinity ✨️

but you can't deny that's its still a bop... maybe this is a new era shes in

Everyone you just named is not pop!!!! Stevie Wonder and James Ingram is pure R&B!!!!!!!!!

It was evident when Mariah Jumped on the Yes And? Remix. People hated her cos according to them, Mariah outsang Ari. Like hell no. Ari has been singing / whispering the entire time. Mariah came from an era where vocals where VOCALS!

@peepthisbob8827

3 ай бұрын

I should make a video just on that topic. It's crazy people calling mariah careys belting "screaming" just how detached some people are.

Whitney, Celine, Mariah is more than pop!!!!!! I need someone that truly knows music!!!

@user-rv7ge1tc4l

3 ай бұрын

what an elitist view lmao just like this entire video

@marakimamushet1274

3 ай бұрын

U r not wrong on that one

@Leila_1910

3 ай бұрын

Yes. They seamlessly blended classical and rock elements into their songs, alongside their prowess in R&B and soul, showcasing their versatility across genres. But Madonna is also much more than pop music, so what about her? That's not the topic of this video, and I've already given my response to this video in the comment above.

i get your opinion but these singers are populair because their songs are amazing and if there in no need for a belt on there style of songs than why should they go to the trouble to make it more difficult for them

I actually come from the exact opposite perspective :) I don't like vocal acrobatics. A lot of times they are impressive, but they lack emotion. I find people like Ariana much more fun to listen to - she has a great balance of both emotion and powerful vocals. The quality of music is not measured by how high is a note someone can belt, that's silly.

Auto Tune is the worst thing to happen to the music industry. Like mentioned, Whitney Houston had one of the best female voices to ever walk the earth, to be honest, she is top 10 for me, maybe even 5. there is a reason she is the most award winning female artist in the world to date. and whys that? it was natural talent. back then there was no such thing as Auto Tune or any of that crap. Anyone nowadays can walk into the studio and sing, just put on Auto Tune, u can sound brillaintly. and that to me isnt fair, u either have natural talent in singing, or a hellla lot of practice. and on to of that, songs and music so, shit. all about killing, sex or other god knows what, what happened to songs about love and affection? i am a little pressed but so are many others. my personal opinion.

ok?? so u don't hate pop music u just enjoy a very specific kind of pop music... if for u a good pop songs needs to have huge high notes and belts everywhere then good for you but that doest take anything away from other artists who create incredible pop music where maybe the vocals don't really need to be the priority

Correction: Whispering is much more technical than belting. The ideal is that the singer can do both and choose when it´s more appropriate to use either one.

Making music is more and more accessible, and with autotune and lip syncing as the new standards, anybody really can do it. It’s more about catchy melodies and emotional lyrics these days. I like the quiet singing, but it needs to build, like Mariah always did really well. The thing about belting is that with so many singers it can sound pushed and just noisy. Singers like Billie Eilish you mentioned probably have tried belting, but she realized her voice doesn’t naturally sound beautiful belting, so she just does soft singing mostly. Not everybody’s voice is good for belting, and even after a lot of training, it can just sound pushed and strained. We don’t have as many beautiful sounding belters today like Whitney or Mariah, so they know they don’t sound as good, so they don’t do it. The thing that I don’t like about today’s music is how it’s almost all based on the emotion. They create a vibe with the production, and then make the lyrics super emotional. I don’t know how to describe it, but it just doesn’t feel the same as older music, where there was emotion, good music, and impressive vocal skill. That’s my rant, it’s hard to describe what I mean, but basically, not everybody can be a belter. There is beauty in softer singing, but it’s better if the vocalist is well rounded.

Her album is a masterpiece 🥰

Exactly. I like many recent singers' music, but the vocals are quite bland and get really boring and repetitive. I do have one thing to say though, head voice is also a part of the voice that needs training IF you want to develop it. For example, Whitney Houston, yes she was a BELTER but she also had a well-developed head voice that she could use, especially when singers do head voice in the high 5th octave (like above G5) and even into the 6th octave, that's quite impressive. But yeah, overall I agree with you 100%

this is LITERALLY THE BEST BREAK DOWN I EVER HEAR...... can you do RnB cause its basically the same issue

Not everyone needs to have these “big” voices. Many people enjoy softer or thinner voices and enjoy other elements of songs.

Yes. But unfortunately ballad songs are rare nowadays. We need more songwriters willing to write ballads!

or maybe they just don't want to belt (Billie said it herself, tha she finds belting boring af...)haha let it go! I'm a huge fan of belters and I listen to them. And that's it! They're doint their thing and they will keep going.

@Leila_1910

3 ай бұрын

Billie, haha, gotta love that girl.

you are discrediting some singers’ ability and for what reason. being a good singer doesn’t mean being a insane belter and having a 5-octave vocal range - this, coming from an enourmous fan of vocal powerhouses. sza, for instance and because you mentioned her, has some amazing vocals and can transmit sensational feeling and storytelling through her voice. that makes her a great singer! ariana is one hell of a singer -the best of our generation, i dare to say- and she doesn’t have to prove it in every single song she makes.

Ong!! Glad someone said that

my cat ate tuna today

An extremely weak video with NOTHING but projection and no info/facts... Pop music is still as good as it was in the 80s and 90s. And for the record, Ariana's new album is extremely good.. Even the critics liked it, it's literally rated as high as some of Mariah's and Celine's best albums. If you don't like the new sound of pop then it's NOTHING but your opinion, it's not facts to make a video about. I'm so disappointed that when you think of pop you think about Charlie Puth, Ed Sheeran, Bebe Rexha, Sam Smith and those shitty artists.. There are many talented artists still making incredible music. Pop music is still as excellent as it ever was, if you dont see it, I suggest you go listen to What's Your Pleasure by Jessie Ware, What I'm Feeling Now by Charli XCX, Emotion by Carli Rae Jepsen, Renaissance by Beyonce (which is unironically better than mariah's last 9 albums combined and it was released just last year 😘😘)

100%. Use your voice to take us on a journey using your registers. However, slingers are just a product of money now and young fans like it regardless because they're ignorant to what good singing is etc

I called it insinuation singing. they insinuate instead of annunciate the lyrics.

I agree with you. I don’t like Ariana grande. Never have never will. I love pop music but just idk Ariana I’ve never been a fan of

@itzag3561

3 ай бұрын

Oh! we know this other boomer guy hates her or doesn't like her💀

@trini2DBone134

5 күн бұрын

the way how she has so many non-pop songs but people like you wanna be weirdos 🤡

there are not only belters or whispers. And belting is easier for some than going hhead voice because belting is keeping your chest voice and just adding volume. I think Gaga is the perfect example of a low voice for whom it was easier to belt notes than t to go head voice (in her early career). But i may be completely wrong. The great thing is to see a singer improve. Like Ariana, and G did.

Oh plsssss get me back to 2010s with lady gaga adele kata perry taylor swift and others

I swear modern pop is litteraly just shit, that's why I only listen 1990s music

@patrykkoziara3595

3 ай бұрын

I think it's not shit, unless you listen to radio stations. There are a lot of good artists and good songs behind that. I love to discover some music on Spotify.

@justanotheruser5479

3 ай бұрын

90’s music is trash

@dinara_safina

3 ай бұрын

A lot if it is yes, (Spice Girls are a great example) but Mariah, Whitney and Celine are pure magic. Even Alanis Morissette, though not for her vocals lol.

nah Adele IS a vocalist.

who tf you think u are lol

Ok now I understand why I never really liked AG music. I never liked her voice. It’s because she whispering. I like deep rich singers.

@trini2DBone134

5 күн бұрын

lol you clearly know nothing about her then 💀

This boomer guy have to leave. This is what the young audience consume and like... No one want a show off vocalist nowadays and just have to deal with it and see Ariana succes. :)

You do realise head voice takes more talent than belting? I can barely sing but I can belt cuz it doesn't require much strength

The thing about mariah is that, at least in her 90s albums, there was more than just vocals ... there was substance in the lyrics and she knew how to time things like her whistles so that it made the song more magical. Typically ariana would do whistles jusy bc she could ....

@trini2DBone134

5 күн бұрын

that makes no sense...she has many songs where she whistles and it adds to it