Check out part 1: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIyAxrync6fUabQ.htmlsi=FXabApFStq6eXB5D Time stamps: 0:00 how to fix 98462’s reputation in the fandom 5:19 final thoughts and conclusion

I still like 98462 as a b12 named Alfred, and I have him like that in my headcannon, expect instead of a evil engine who tries to kill Gordon and Henry, he's just a plain bully to everyone.

@TrainboyProduction112

6 ай бұрын

Agreed I really like Alfred as 98462 as a B12, and I like how you try to blow up Gordon Henry and I really really like that scene when the stress of the Alan yard came out, and that same place, I was shaking so much seeing what would play out next

@ChristianD-hf4do

6 ай бұрын

Even thought it’s just a debate over the illustrations, I still like the idea that 98462 is a B12, and 87546 as a B16/7.

@loanedengineproductions

19 күн бұрын

​@@ChristianD-hf4do but the B17 can't work, it was built in 1927, those stories took place before that, around 1923-25

I like your changes to 98462's story in NWR origins. Really got me with the twist ending were he apologized to Henry and Gordon and actually felt remorse for his actions. Although, I still see him as a B16 in my man canon, this has really helped me think about a possible AU for my canon. Great video man. Keep it up. 😉👍

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

thanks and good luck with your AU

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@ScorchZanewhat’s the music at 3:53-4:08 and when 98462 wakes up in the works

Vincent Raven That Creative

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Better than just taking someone else’s interpretation

@Waddles1.4

Ай бұрын

@@ScorchZanein my head canon 87546 and 98462 are actually nwr built engines, they were just punished by taking the flying kipper while henry was stuck in the tunnel.

i guess you're right, we should respect each other aus and headcannons

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

we still have rights to agree to disagree.

@Dafurnessrailwayguy

6 ай бұрын

Ye

Dang im late for the second part of this but either way great job on doing this explanation about 98462.

I like your idea for a rewrite of NWR Origins u have u still have 98462 die without intentionally trying to kill anyone I also have sn idea to help with the movie what if he crashes after the hill?

0:57 That would make people think he is Alfred though. Perhaps a new face could be photoshopped or maybe James' Some kid would probably say "WhY iS tHeRe 2 aLfReDs/?///??"

1:34 hey an talk n action thomas

Ok, but my question is why change NWR Origins? But who am I to speak when I have Alfred be better than say Gordon, because of that one story about the red engine. Damn I hate when I can't remember something's name!

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I’ve already explained in part 1 (other wise I can explain again, because children can’t tell a major difference between Fan Content and the offical media of Thomas, they think that “oh this is canon” as a result since they don’t know that Alfred is an interpretation and not actually 98462, let alone that fact 98462 is not a mad bomber. As stated in part 1, NWR origins was the big nuke on 98462 since kids now think Alfred is 98462, that’s why I rewrite it because people take someones (Sk123; fan interpretation seriously. Plus it’s better 98462 is widely known as a bully then an edgy bomber).

@TobyOliverHenryFan

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane Well, children. I just call 98462 Alfred cause it's easier. But I do remember his number, somehow.

Also how would you fix the episodes from s5 of the original onwards in timeline in thomas1edward2henry3's universe

5:04 alfred as the green engine from Edward's day out

My take on how 98462 was sent away was after he crashed into a goods train while Pulling a passenger train

If I had a nickel for every time an interpretation of Alfred blew himself up , I’d have 2 nickels...... thank god I don’t have 3

Tbh is the nwr formed in the 30s in the tvs universe

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

don’t know, don’t care the TVS doesn't really establish what year or years it takes place in

I notice the name you gave 98462, Vincent Raven is the name of the engineer of the NER. Nice reference

I honestly have to stick with the fandom version of 98642 as their both b12s and they came from different railways and this is all that I can add to this since it does fit for 98642 to be blue because of an accident so yeah that's all I have to say it's actually nice to see this come up for me and I had to say ALOT of takes in this and since alot of people has heard about sodor and the north western railway and they ordered 3 engines two were green and one was blue being 87546 and the two green are Henry and 98642 but then in the rws take theirs two blues and one green being Henry as green and you get the gist for the two blues. As they were passenger engines but then that got taken away privileges by 98642 and 87546s flawless actions and then they were both sent away, I can say my series is based off of T1E2H3s series and Sodor Dark Times A frenzy payback, so I'll say that they were both sent away AND THEN 87546 was about to be scrapped but then bought by the governor and was given the name crovan, then onto 98642 he agreed on what Henry said about him when he was jealous about the numbered rws engines, and then he was sent to the LNER repainted his green livery again and then changed his actions because he didn't want to chaotic scenery against him of being sent away again, and then dieselization came and his friends were scrapped except Aelric jinty and geoffrey, who thow geoffrey was bought by the mainland was sent to sodor in 1928 and jinty was bought by the mainland industries, meanwhile aelric was bought by the isle of man railway industry companies. And then Alfred was bought by the sodor north western railway industry company again by Sir topham hatt the third and convinced he changed his ways, as Gordon edward and Henry kept telling stories about Alfred saying him and crovan were being nasty and rude calling them names at first they told james and then Toby percy duck and the little western all together and then the entire island. That's all I have to say, and had to do my take on 98642. 2:21 and yes I can agree with this. As I said. He was sent away being bought by the LNER again. 3:54 TATHP???

2:01 perhaps he thought gordon has the same speed as his brother

After Hearing What Mary and Joey Said I Agree Dalby Never Cared What The Engines Looked Like In The Railway Series and When He Draw Henry Incorrectly and Awdry Was Most Disappointing About What Henry Looked Like and This Would Started Dably’s Downfall With Awdry and Lasted Until The Book Percy The Small Engine Were Dably Quit Being The Illustrator For The Railway Series. Anyways After Seeing This 2 Part About Why Alfred is Not 98462 and Hearing What You Said At The End I Agree This is The Internet We Can Have Or Own Opinions, Headcanon and Our Own Take Of 98462. Whether We Have Him and Alfred As The Same Character or Have Him Good Or Evil and It’s Our Own Take Of Him and We Can Have Or Own Opinions.

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

like I said, the whole point of his video was to debunk a claim, not bash opinions

@NWRAmericanK2Productions

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I Understand

Honestly when I first watched Thomas 1. Edward 2. Henry 3 's series, I never thought Alfred was 98462 and the creator specifically said it was Canon to his own series, I never thought so many people would confuse the two

0:47 this would be like alfred but if it was freelance

If I’m gonna make a change I would give the two loaned engines real numbers since 98462 and 87546 aren’t real numbers the highest we get is 92220.

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

tbh I thought their numbers being 98462 or 87546 meant they were either experimental, or just their number on loan. I also have seen one comment in the TrainYard discord server say that as well, and have 98462 as 942, a B16.

How about him taking a goods train

My take of 98462 is that when the old days he was cocky and he derailed and he was rebuilt to a raven a2 class so and and we shall all repesect other peoples au and hc :]

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Btw what class was he before he was rebuilt?

@Dafurnessrailwayguy

6 ай бұрын

Its a lner ger s69

@Dafurnessrailwayguy

6 ай бұрын

And hes a good engine now

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

@@Dafurnessrailwayguy did the LNER try to see if they turn 4-6-0s into 4-6-2s?

@Dafurnessrailwayguy

6 ай бұрын

Yea

Tbh i think thomas1edward2henry3 should have put a text in his video like before the video start that this series is not canon to the TVs or rws and only canon to my universe also note that alfred is not 98462 in canon and he is not a b12 Alfred is just an oc based on s rws only character in my universe

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I agree

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZane yeah

In my head canon 98462 is a b14-5 and 87546 is a a0

I personally like to think that 98462 is an experimental design built alongside Henry and Crovan (Not 87546). Alfred, in my AI, is a B12/S69 brought to the NWR during its locomotive crisis in the early 1920’s. He didn’t have the homicidal accidents and desires that T1E2H3’s rendition of the character had, but was still an unpleasant engine to be around. However, when he and the other loaned engines were sent away, Alfred would around the North Eastern region until being withdrawn in the early 1960’s. At this point, he would actually be saved from scrap by the NWR and brought to work on the Main Line. After making amends with Gordon, Henry and Edward, he began working on the main line, and was later promoted to run a special express passenger service from Kellsthrope Road to Great Waterton. He did have to learn to handle goods trains and shunting as Gordon and the other big engines did, but eventually warmed up to it and has since then become a very respectable engine.

My take on 98462 was sent away after pushing Thomas off the rails

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Based take

@averagethomasguy13

3 ай бұрын

mines is 98462 apologizes and becomes a resident of the nwr

@Sugarrushfan3

3 ай бұрын

@@averagethomasguy13 cool

Rip 98462s express :⁠-⁠[

Sadly if that happen people will still acossinated that His name is raven

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

(still be better than Alfred) in all seriousness yeah unless Alfred Fans clash with themn

Video idea: how you wud write 87546 in NWR origins

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I’d probably keep him the same, however instead of him just straight up abusing Helen, I would just have him as an arrogant showoff while Helen is the voice of reason. I don’t know if I’ll make a video in it, maybe one day who knows.

I'm pretty sure in someone else story 98462 and 87546 double head the express and crash into Neil's train (it was made in btwf before it got the new game we have)

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t mean it’s canon to the RWS since it was written by a content creator as well, otherwise yes someone did made that story and 98462 plus his pal 87546 did double head an express service

@mrjollyschoctanker3926

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I'm not saying its canon

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

oh ok

Good explanation video, But I still like 988462 being a b16.

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

And that’s alright

Heh Gladly BTWF is now Open I can show you my BTWF version of 98462

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I mean you could tag me in a community post but sure I guess

1:56 you cant take away my name

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

STH in John Cena voice: “Are you sure about it?”

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

6 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZane98462: yes

I knew alfred and 98462 werent the same engine

@ScorchZane

3 ай бұрын

At least in the RWS

Idc what anyone says, in my au, 98462 and Alfred will be da same

Nwr origins ep 3, 4, 5 should have been

So alfred wouldn't exist in this

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Better to make an original interpretation then to just straight up copy another

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane like what do you mean

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I mean it’s better to do a original take on 98462 then just use Alfred

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

6 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZane From sodor dark times

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 in NWR origins since using Alfred as 98462 just cause he was 98462 in dark times is sorta lazy and repetitive.

98462 is a girl and is called rose and 87546 is also a girl and she’s called Vicky

Tbh how would you react if 98462 got His fan name in a Roger rabbit universe

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Since when TTTE do crossovers?

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane does tatmr counts

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 tbh I don’t even know anymore

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane i think so

1:31 why does Donald/Douglas have no face it’s probably admin right

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Might wanna ask the guy who made said video, since it’s just a B roll

@Splodge-productions_2010.

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane what does B roll mean?

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

@@Splodge-productions_2010. supplemental footage

what about 87546 or The first red engine?

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I might debunk the claims of 87546 being Crovan and how the first red engine’s isn’t even Alled Greddy

@gresleyng-thebritishrailwayfan

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I know that name for the red engine is a made up but I still like that name so I decided to keep that name for my take on the red engine.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

very well up to you

Honestly... I'm not a huge fan of a GER S69 for the basis of 98462, but instead a HR clan goods engine for three reasons: 1. They were built before the 1920s (A fact that most people ignore when giving their versions 87546 & 98462 a real life basis) 2. Because it has some characteristics from the ilustrations like valve gear and a part of the footplate. 3.The use of B12/4 is overrated and inaccurate to the years that 98462 was in sodor

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

honestly I can agree with literally everything said here

What if alfred says kachigga

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

What does that mean?

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane that is chick hicks' catchpharse

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZanea catchphrase from chick hicks

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I don’t how Alfred can say when it’s not name, the reason Chick Hicks says it because it based off his name

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane what about ka alfred or alfchigga

Here's my interpretation of the crash the one I kind of don't like how you don't specify where he crashed into on some random turn on the main line me personally I imagine he crashed somewhere around killidane he came off the rails after crashing into the back of a Goods train that being pulled by Thomas wall pulling the stolen wild Northwestern after sending Gordon down a separate track then he came off the line at the embankment near killdane station and it's sort of as follows what you said all the way up to the point where 98462 with a white witch in my interpretation he's not he's not dead he just completely knocked out so angry and under the illusion he's dead Sir Topham Hatt 1 sends him to a scrap yard off the mainland but another thing real quick he's driving fireman would on couple of the coaches cuz if he's not listening he's going to get them all killed or seriously injured what you said Charles Darwin from uncomfortable hidden from the coaches and you think of the real but they're not as badly injured as as Vincent was because Vincent did something I don't think any engine could have done if it was not for his wheel base his wheels gripped onto the Rocks sling down part way before turning on the side and sliding down the rest of the way before sliding tilting just enough to miss a huge shellac in my and smashing into another one badly damaging him yes but it wouldn't kill him does not send him away to the scrap yard a couple days later in my interpretation 82546 comes back from being repaired cuz he'll be the engine who had rain rust his paint away I don't mean by that is simple as this 87546 what had happened was he was doing a heavy good train of paint be gone which he thought was shiner but then he hit a bump and what he thought was paint shiner went all over the boiler tender everything after coming back from the words and hearing what had happened you get so mad but he just want to say I hate soda he got really hostile to the point where he left Sodor not before gently going over Sir Topham Hatt the first leg causing in reversible damage

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

To be honest I didn’t specify since any sharp turns on Sodor could be literally anyways, tho I find Killdane might be a perfect representation of where he ran off a sharp turn.

Wait, 98462 was on trial and not owned by the Fat Director (Topham Hatt l). So theoretically, he doesn’t have the power to nullify his name, nor scrap him. Should that considered misconduct?

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

I’d like to think 98462’s owner was like, “sure whatever do whatever you like.” Which shows how much he doesn’t really care for 98462.

@ChristianD-hf4do

6 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane Thank you, for the information. But even though he hurt passengers, he meant no ill intent. Couldn’t the Fat Director just send him away to like Ireland or something, or was he tired of 98462’s bullcrap?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

option 2, I might a whole film how I would've wrote 98462 in NWR origins.

GCR Class 8F?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

up to you man

I've got a good idea for you You don't have to Make videos On this But I have a theory Blind scotchman is not Older than gordon And here's my theory If flying scotch was built-in In 1923 But Gordon was built-in 1922 It set it in the Lorbook of Thomas and friends so why is everybody calling Gordon, the little brother

In my au

We all have our own opinions. But I do like your take on 98462's story in NWR Origins to try and make it more realistic as much as possible.

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

Indeed, and that’s the plan I might make a whole film about it as I can with my rewrite with The New Story of Alfred

THEY ARE THE SAME!!!! 😡😡😡

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

cry about it I dare to do a whole video on how they are the same

@johnathonmcjohn3

Ай бұрын

no they aint

why you always lying

@ScorchZane

6 ай бұрын

how come?

@Dafurnessrailwayguy

6 ай бұрын

Bro alfred and 98462 is diffrent :/

Hey you are zane right? Do you have discord? I wanna discuss with you about something serious

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

The user is scorchzane

@Codyfleewinxue

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane OK thanks

@Codyfleewinxue

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I send you a friend request