Well what do y’all think? Discord server: discord.gg/E32Qa83kSd

@eugenelumiguid4580

5 ай бұрын

1st reply but idk

@DennisLora2001

5 ай бұрын

A0 or not I can respect your opinion

@SalmanMentos

5 ай бұрын

In my headcannon i think gordon is an a1 possibly as an accidental mistake because GNR ordered 52 but due to something like bad handwriting (or some clarification problems) 53 was made so the 1 extra was sold of to NWR bcs it was the highest bidder (and also because due to some inconsistency of the design) which was gordon But good video though Edit: but he worked in lner for a few months before getting sold to nwr

A0 was just a fun nickname for the prototype that KnucklesProductions coined during his research on Gordon’s ( and Henry’s, given that they’re both prototypes for the A1s ) design history at Doncaster. The fan base took the term and ran with it, most people not even knowing where the classification came from. So no, it’s not “canon” by any means, and no Awdry didn’t explicitly say it anywhere. He’s the prototype for the A1s, built before them, so we call him an A0 as a fun little detail. It’s really not that deep.

@MacsensRailway

5 ай бұрын

Wait isn’t Henry kinda adopted or Gordon is technically his brother…

@sudrianhunslet7972

5 ай бұрын

@@MacsensRailway Henry was built before Gordon using a rejected version of the A1 prototype plans. So, no, he wasn’t “adopted,” he’s just loosely related, essentially being an earlier and objectively worse version of Gordon.

@ReviCat

3 ай бұрын

Isn't Henry a LMS black five?

@sudrianhunslet7972

3 ай бұрын

@@ReviCat After he was rebuilt into one after the Flying Kipper crash, yes.

@ReviCat

3 ай бұрын

@@sudrianhunslet7972 he's based off an stainer 4-6-0 (class 5)

Gordon was a fictional add-on member of the class. He would have come before the Great Northern and since he was the experimental prototype he would have been hush hush and he wouldn't have a number on the GNR/LNER. Gordon would have been made using the finalized draft (5:59-6:00) and would have been used to correct faults in the production A1 design, thus being slightly rebuilt here and there at Doncaster until the faults were corrected. Therefore he would look completely different from his "as built" condition once the faults were corrected, although unlike the production A1 he would still look somewhat different and would have the running board that we see him illustrated with other than the production A1 running board + he had a rebuild at Crewe in 1939 thus becoming a Gresley/Stanier hybrid.

@Your_Local_Express_Locomotive

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

@williampowell3106

5 ай бұрын

Also all the draft models were called A0s whilst the Production models were called A1s.

I do find it funny how the actual A0 is also in the show (Henry), and yet people still try to put that label on Gordon.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

LMFAO

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

15 күн бұрын

@@ScorchZane2:29 I think Awdry was emphasising that Gordon was Great Northern like your take on him Or I should say that he said that Gordon was a replica of Great Northern

In my AU, Gordon was a prototype A1, he was built in secret and was used to test things out, instead of releasing all the A1’s only to find defects and problems, he used Gordon as his testing engine, once the Pacifics were fixed up and finally released, word spread about Gordon, some people nicknamed him “The A0” Nigel Gresley liked the nickname and would also nickname Gordon The A0, it was never official but the name was used when selling Gordon to the North Western, who were in a locomotive crisis after their number three failed, they had a bad taste in their mouths for the LNER, a perfect time for an extra engine to be sold to them which can help their appearance

Honestly, in my au, Gordon is an A1, specifically built after the Flying Scotsman (explaining why Flying Scotsman calls Gordon his littlebrother), but when he arrived on Sodor and given his NWR Blue paint and number, he was given some design changes, including a Fowler Tender and a fatter boiler. This made Gordon look like a blue version of Henry with the 4-6-2 "Pacific" wheel arrangement. Thus, people started to jokingly call Gordon the prototype of the LNER A1s, or the A0s. However, the NWR officially classified Gordon as an NWR SNG. Gordon, however, isn't an LNER A0. That would be an oc named Shantae

@NicholasKRR1

4 ай бұрын

Well said I could not have said it any better

@berkshire4607

4 ай бұрын

@@NicholasKRR1 thanks

I'm not a fan of Gordon being an A0 from 1915, nor the experimental prototype of the A1, so I've decided that he is an actual A1, built alongside Great Northern in 1922. I've decided to have two options: 1. Gordon has the same number as the actual Great Northern (1470), but Gordon has 1470-1, while Great Northern has 1470-2 since Gordon is finished before Great Northern. When Sir Topham Hatt/The Fat Director purchases Gordon, Gordon doesn't have the number 1470-1 anymore and Great Northern is just 1470. The reason why they both have 1470, but in my head-canon, just with the "-1" and "-2" to indicate the two prototypes of the final 1470 class, later known as the LNER A1s. 2. He has no number because he is pre-ordered by Sir Topham Hatt/The Fat Director and stayed on the GNR/LNER for a few test runs until he was fully purchased. These are two options I have in mind because I want to keep the numbers for the other locomotives' real life counterparts, but Great Northern shares his number in the first option, while still keeping Gordon and Great Northern as the "first A1". Edit: This is just my head-canon, you don't need to agree with me.

@lanyingzeng9075

5 ай бұрын

And yes, that makes Gordon an actual A1, but entirely "fictional" Plus, I like how Henry is a mix of an A1 and a large boiler C1, and the A0 draft from 1915 also looks like some sort of mix of A1 and C1, so I've decided Henry is the A0/first prototype of the class, but later got some modifications (such as a new cab, running board, and tender) before his well known kipper crash.

I wish Victor Tanzig did some research too because in S1 and S2 of his Sodor Stories around the Big four companies were put in the wrong categories.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Ngl I agree

@olivergould3878

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I like his story telling I like a few YT fandoms but yeah if your gonna do a Thomas Fandom on Real life Locomotive's era's make sure you know what each Locomotive represents

@olivergould3878

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane thank you for your content BTW

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@olivergould3878 all good my next videos will be on the red engines, then the green engine (plus a new story of Alfred rewrite film) (I also plan to go over what could’ve been done better in season 5 of SOS)

@olivergould3878

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane James would of Served my home town as it was part of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway

In my Canon Gordon and great northern are both prototypes Gordon is an A1 he was the first one built technically but he never had a number since he was kept as a hush hush until a few weeks before great Northern was built the A0 classification is a nickname Like in the official Canon he was used as a test bed to iron out the main problems with the design he was then sold to the Northwestern in 1923

My HC for Gordon is that he’s just straight up an A1, no modifications whatsoever. He’s still related to Flying Scott, but he’s different enough to warrant his status as the sole surviving member of his class. (This being the unrebuilt A1’s.) Now here comes the tricky part, how can he be the prototype? IMAGINE, ME, A SIMPLE HUMAN BEING FIGURING OUT A THING MORE COMPLEX THAN THAN THE MOST COMPLEX THING OUT THERE!! THIS WOULD TAKE MORE THAN A FEW YEARS FOR ME TO FULLY FIGURE THIS OUT!!!! Duh. The answer is simple, they were BOTH the prototype, the reason I say this is because I feel like the LNER is big enough to warrant TWO prototypes being built. The real question is who was first.

So if I’m correct, what I’m hearing is the belief that Gordon is an A0 originated from the fanbase after seeing a picture of drawings online? That is crazy. But even though Gordon isn’t technically an A0, it is a cool nickname for him now that I think about it, or the A1/0 could work too.

I don’t really understand how Gordon isn’t an A1. He’s virtually identical aside from an open training wheel and a fowler tender instead of a corridor one.

@TheHistorySoldier

5 ай бұрын

And the running plate... and the valve gear (though that was officially a later change)

the thing is that they say he's an A0 just because hes the prototype the A0 isnt an actual class so like

Like I once said Gordon is great northern in my headcannon.

@user-lj2sc8hy3l

5 ай бұрын

same in my au gordon didnt have his name plates so when his driver was asked his engines name he slurred his word due sleep depravation and and said gordon, gordon liked that name so he kept it

@kingkoopa64

5 ай бұрын

Mine too lol

Personally I think within the RWS canon two prototype A1’s were made with some design differences that made Gordon running at speed unreliable and was easily sold to the NWR, at Crovans gate Gordon’s problems were fixed and became a normal A1. That’s my justification for him being a prototype and why dalbys illustration didn’t much look like an A1

In my AU, I’d say Gordon is the 1920 draft for the A1.

I just like to have gordon be built after great northern and sir frederick Banbury and have him be the prototype of flying scotsman which gives him 4400 tho he still a normal a1/a3 with no changes, so great northern is the prototype of all the pacifics making him the oldest in my au, gordon is rebuilt into an a3 when the gnr became the lner

I've always been confused whenever someone calls Gordon an "A0" because it just.. doesn't make sense to me. Sure, Awdry explains he was the Gresley prototype, but he's clearly depicted as an A1, not to mention Awdry never states he was an A0 either. In my eyes, pre Kipper incident Henry was/should be an "A0" since he was built by stolen Gresley blueprints of the A1, thus making him much more of an A0 than Gordon until his LMS rebuild post Kipper.

Oh my god your videos are so good. You came out of nowhere I love it!

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Guess I am the demon out of nowehere

I think it was just a nickname for the class And I still think that fly scottsman and Gordon are still brothers

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

honestly makes more sense

3:53 What about the flying thistle

Oh, well thank you for the shout out! Didn't expect that.🙃

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

All good lad, you kinda deserve some credit for making some points

The way I see it, Gordon is the second prototype, after the A0 and before Great Northern. For me, he might not be the A0 but he's kinda like a A0/1, A0 2.0 however you want to say it.

Probably just me, but the 1915 drawing looks like it has more in common with the later Raven A2.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Hmmmmmm 🤔

In some stories of the railways series I think it said he went to crew a few times and that must have changed his boiler and his running board that’s just my idea

Gordon is the prototype A1, not an A0, and certainly not a completely separate class entirely. If I were to put my 2 cents in with the Classifications, Gordon would instead be an A1/0, with the production A1's being A1/1 or after Gordon's sale to the NWR, simply just A1. By this logic that'd make the Thompson rebuild of Great Northern an A1/2. There is no A0 in my mind, and never was. The only thing remotely close to an A0, would've been Henry, which in my own personal headcanon was built with the stolen plans for the North Eastern Railway, which would've been a rival railway to the GNR, of which Gresley was CME. However, After Henry would've undergone tests, he was immediately shunned as a White Elephant and sold to Topham in 1919, without recieving a classification under the NER.

My head cannon is that Gordon is an LNER A1 and the first built in 1922 then some time in the 1940s Gordon was rebuilt into and LNER A3 and rebuilt into a crappy Thompson pacific and has a three axel tender.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees a bit here. 'A0' is just a term invented by the fanbase to describe a prototype 4-6-2 older than Great Northern, which is what Gordon supposedly is. Technically, Gordon can't be an A0 as the term was never used officially. This also means that Great Northern being the real prototype pacific doesn't make him an A0 by that logic. The drawings you showed are an older Pacific design by Gresley and only look different from the A1 because they use and older style of cab. Since Gordon has a Gresley style cab it can be assumed that he always had this cab so the old drawings don't apply. Personally, I think Gordon is just and A1 with a different shaped running board.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Well since you made some points, I’ll make some as well. You forget some people believe the A0 is still a thing and Gordon is that, he’ll even going as far as treating it differently form the A1/A3/A10. Sure it’s term used by the fan base. In the IOS Book it’s states Gordon was experimented with new parts after his construction in 1921, so he probably would’ve received the Gresley two window cab later on, as it say he was used to correct errors and make improvements. As for the older prototype, I’m sorry but I’m gonna disagree, no matter how old being prototype doesn’t mean A0. I do agree, with how you think Gordon is just an A1 with the different shaped running board. (Then again Gordon as one comment said, him being the prototype since really important since it’s just there Tk make him more interesting). As for the drawings I agree the 1915 draft is old by the time of the 1920s, but with the 1920 draft I disagree, since I like it Gresley would use those for Gordon. Otherwise hey have it your way. I can only state what I can agree with, and disagree with you or others say.

In my AU, Gordon is an add on to the A1s.he’s not great northern or a A0,He’s just Gordon.

In my AU he is a Raven A2, so the whole A0 or Prototype argument means nothing to me lol.

From what I could remember the A0 was originated from T1E2H3

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Tbh I don’t believe he came up with the idea

@jaanshersaeed4541

4 ай бұрын

The term was around long before then from back during the earlier 2000s

@jaanshersaeed4541

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane *2010s

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

I mean yeah tho I don’t think it originated from T1E2H3, as much as he did popularise it. Since other users like Knuckle Productions used that term as well, and his videos featuring that term also blew up so…

@jaanshersaeed4541

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I believe it would’ve originated from NWR3D first as that website was having those LNER colored Gordon reskins (garter blue apple green wartime black etc.) with the different faces referred to as A0s. There’s multiple sources around showing it and during late 2014 and early 2015 when I was really starting to learn more about TTTE lore from the wikia and stuff on Deviantart when I was 10 there was stuff referring to Gordon as an A0 while as we know NWR Origins came out later in 2015.

I’ll always see Gordon as an A1 Class engine

In my headcanon, Gordon was initially built as a hybrid of an experimental prototype based on the ones from both the 1915 and the 1920 drafts, albeit with a front end that looked like a Gresley O2 prototype. He was given the codemane "A0", as well as the title, "Shooting Star". However, sometime after his test runs succeeded, he was no longer needed by the GNR (now part of the LNER), and was then sold to Sodor for the grand opening of the North Western Railway, which linked from Sodor to not only Barrow-In-Furness, but also Syldavia (which then separated from Sodor after WWII due to no possibility of reconstructing the bridge as a result of being bombed by enemy aircraft). Also, he was rebuilt 2 times, the first being in Crewe after his accident while pulling "The Midnight Special" during rainy conditions, and the second involved his rebuild into an A3 in Doncaster Works towards the end of my rewrite of "Gordon Takes a Tumble".

I believe when henry arrived on sodor, in his gresley design, he was an A0. But gordon looks way too different from henry.

Excuse me, WHAT?!

I personally think that Gordon was built after Great Northern as the second experimental prototype for the A1/3’s, thus making him more akin to the A1’s. I also like to think that instead of that rebuild at Crewe into a Two-Cylinder Locomotive never happened. There were allegedly plans to do this at Crovan’s Gate, but they never followed through. Instead, Gordon was sent to Doncaster Works in 1945, following the end of WWII, and was thus rebuilt into an A3. I also like to think that he got a group standard tender as his short runs across Sodor didn’t require a Corridor Tender. He would, however, gain a corridor tender in the 1980’s, some time after the events of “Gordon the High-Speed Engine.”

I would personally say Gordon was built as a A1 but modified/ experimental and became his own class say becoming a 2 cylinder loco an not a 3 before his sale to the NWR

Gordon is an A1/1 since being the prototype of the A1 Pacific like Great Northern he was than rebuilt with the new look much like to the real life counterpart of Great Northern being a rebuild of an A1 but classified as an A1/1 because he was unique as for Gordon the A1/1 makes him special since he is a special engine and the only one that looks different to the other A1 class

Here’s my au for Gordon He is an A1, straight up A1, the only one still in service that hasn’t been rebuilt, no super-heated smoke box or any A3 mods The illustrations in the railway series weren’t meant to be taken literally afterall.

Can't wait to see it

Amazing job man 👏

Since when were people calling him an A0?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Since that site that suggested he’s an A0

Well, what if I made Gordon lner 4470 “great northern”?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

up to you

Dude, I would like to tell you the 1915 prototype A1’s looks more like the C1’s but longer to me

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

I mean you ain’t wrong

Gordon is an LNER A1, not a fictious A0!...

Its kinda funny to think the pilot model of gordon tvs was based off some of illustrations but gordon maybe was a A1 or "A0" but was given modifications as almost if not every original thomas tv's character all the way up to Douglas was taken to crew and modified so maybe gordon was different in his early years before arriving on sodor

In my au gordon is a great northen he was built secret and he and henry was buikt gordon was built 1923 and he was very good steamer The lner say that gordon is a experimental lner and he was number 1471 he was call the great london and he was in 1924 he was named gordon gresley and in 1960 he was he was colored into a green br and he was mistaken like henry and in 1970 he was colored into green nwr and he given black wheels and a copper funnel and He was giving a new running board like a a1 and he was still was the fastest engine ever

Simple an A SAUSAGE also 6:16 HEY THAT'S MY LINE!

Is he 4470 then (Great Northern)? Gordon is A1, not A3. And Great Northern used to be A1 but not A3.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

While it never said he was Great Northern, it did say he was the experimental prototype, but I don’t think it meant A0, since those drawings were likely to be stolen and used for Henry. (Which, you will see in the video soon). Up to you on how you view Gordon tho

@rhyusbrand8311

5 ай бұрын

Gordon was probably just some A1 prototype with almost all the features. He didn’t even receive a number, as per the IoS book.

@NVRacingProductions

5 ай бұрын

Kinda weird to make Gordon as "1469". That makes Gordon as 1470, that equals Great Northern. Like with Thomas, which is E2 #105 or #106 and arrived ito Sodor in 1915, Gordon also left GNR/LNER in 1923 after being replaced by other A1s.

I have a theory and headcannon, that gordon is really great northern, he work for 2 years at kings cross express and move to sodor with a sudrian standard footplate and tender

Kinda weird to make Gordon as "1469". That makes Gordon as 1470, that equals Great Northern. Like with Thomas, which is E2 #105 or #106, who left LB&SCR and arrived to Sodor in 1915 in Thomas universe, Gordon also left GNR/LNER in 1923 after being replaced by other A1s.

Since When people think that he is a a0

How about a headcannon: Gordon was rebuilt from a A0 to a A1

my theory for why gordon was sold to the nwr is because the lner didn’t want to use a non standard a1 and they didn’t know what else to do with gordon, think of gordon as a hush hush

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

ngl sounds logical

I personally think gordon would be an A2/2 or A2/3 prototype, simply because I don't think he fits as an A1 OR A3 OR A0. "Well, what about flying scotsman?" And to that I say: Do they really have to be that close? They can still be cousins and function the same as family or such. I know that the A2/2 and A2/3 were built in the 1940s, so gordon being an earlier prototype would make him a bit more older, lets say early 1930s.

so wenn dose your Q&A start?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

idk perhaps it’s time to write some questions on that video

Can't wait for this

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Ngl same here

@CandleheadandGregoryFan

5 ай бұрын

@ScorchZane Also, Gordon being Great Northern could be possible

Are henry (new shape only) gordon (some ilustrations) and toby are the only ones drawk by dalby to be real life engine accurate

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

I guess

Sodor, its History, its people, and its railway

No matter what Gordon is Gordon is still Gordon in two different ways real life basis for rws or Hornby model of what Gordon should have look like

Basically A0 was just the term everyone gave out for Gordon, he was a prototype and he is the oldest sibling in his family class even though flying Scotsman calls him little brother since Gordon is a prototype and he's smaller, the A1s are slightly larger than their prototype, Gordon is half LNER and half GNR specifically, he was built in the Doncaster as an prototype of the A1 Class but we still don't know what they called the LNER-GNR A1 prototype, Gordon was built in 1920 meaning he was 104 years old and he still hasn't gotten an overhaul to join his original class, he is a prototype, they start with something and then check it if they have to change the prototype class so they make new ones with better modification and differenced sizes, But technically Henry is a LMS Black Five class with an rebuilt overhaul or something, he is NOT an A1. And if the A0 image I saw in the video had like a rectangular tender with bars on it, then it's specifically classified Gordon was never an A0.

2:14 i think Gordon does look Proper

4:19 mallord?

Bro what are you talking about Gordon is a a1 he even though is the prototype of the LNER a one and a three way you Gotta get you Gotta get into account the garden a3 Pasta thick Because he looks like Scott to me but with what is there is there so we Gotta get that garden and Presley Presley didn’t get the rebuild on for a walk even though they didn’t they might have let me just remind you I said they might have Teikyo but it didn’t work on them for some reason don’t ask me how Gordon and great northern did get the A3 mads but in 1930 they might have been rebuilt the A1

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

I never said he was never an A0, and I agree with you say. I was only explaining hypothetically if he was an A0, he would be cousins with Scott and the A1s, I never claimed he was an A0.

A0 was created by Knuckles Productions and here's an example to if Gordon being an A0 was real and saying that technically he'd be a cousin and not a brother here is real life to say he'd still technically be a brother and not a cousin Great Northern was rebuilt into a Thompson Pacific which is a whole different class of engine while the other Pacifics were not. So by your logic Great Northern is no longer a sibling to the A3 and is now a cousin I'd just say for Gordon he's an experimental prototype hence the reason for A0

Gordon's not an A0 in my Head-Canon here's my take on him Basis: LNER A1 (His RWS Model) LNER Name: Shooting Star Build Date: 1922 Arrived on Sodor: 1923 Rebuilt Basis: 1939 into an LNER A3 with Two LNER Gresley Corridor Tenders (His TVS Model) Livery: LNER Green (1922-1923), NWR Blue (1923-1939), Wartime Black (1939-1945), LNER Blue (1945-1948), BR Blue (1948-1968), NWR Blue (1968-Present Day)

Like I said before twice now...calling Gordon an "GNR/LNER A0" just because he's a fictional experimental A1 prototype is like James a "L&YR Class 29" just because he's a experimental L&YR Class 28 that was modified with a front pony truck to make him more like a mogul. (Eh...I do apologize if saying this a third time as an example is getting really annoying by this point. XD) The "A0" shtick work as nicknames and even as jokes but if they weren't OFFICIALLY STATED, it technically ISN'T CANON. And again as you brought up before, Awdry initially didn't have a specific real life basis in mind when designing the NWR's official first six engines. But your video was a bit more serious when going over the whole A0 problem, especially since Gordon being an A1 (a A1 prototype albeit, but still an A1 regardless) gives him that special connection with his siblings. Take away that A1 aspect and call him an A0, and that's assuming you think A0 is a separate class from the A1/A3s, it does mean that the A1s (including Flying Scotsman) are cousins to Gordon instead and I agree how that would make Flying Scotsman replaceable (with any other Gresley designed class) and make Tenders for Henry not as impactful as it really would've. I also agree with how the A0 logic would've meant Great Northern (the real life A1 prototype, although they're long scrapped) and Henry would've technically also been considered A0s, I can see some confusion in that too. In the end though, it all depends on the person's own interpretations and theories on the actual characters, which is the point of headcanons and even AUs. It's just important to keep into mind what's already been established and what technically isn't. In terms of my personal headcanons for Gordon, Gordon is a prototype A1 (just like how it's established in canon) like his later brother Great Northern. It's just unlike Great Northern, the biggest difference is that Gordon was far more elusive to the public and then he got sold off to the North Western Railway, a railway that's only recently being constructed in the time period Gordon was only recently built and probably isn't as famous as the other railways on the Mainland. (Thus the public wouldn't have known Great Northern isn't even the actual first of his class and that also means at the time, Gordon isn't very famous as first as he probably would've thought he was...oh my god, the more I think about it, this makes that one scene in the Main Line Trampy Movie where the harsh truth of Gordon's "fame" really struck when Percy didn't even know who he is. Don't take this too seriously though, that may not be what Trampy had in mind but you get my point XD) In terms of the A0...I'd also headcanon Gordon is sometimes called that, but more so as a nickname and a joke name as what "L&YR Class 29" is to James. Tbh, I can probably see Henry (who wouldn't be a hybrid like many fans may consider, and is just a rejected A1 prototype that technically wasn't supposed to be built) also being called an A0 or even an "A0 Prototype", but very rarely and I'd imagine he really does not like being called that.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

your facts are straight on and I agree, honestly I should you a shoutout since you basically helped me with the video in terms of information

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane Although I don't want to become too famous, I will say you are welcome for the insights I provided and I do thank you for hearing my opinions out. I just understand your points and can see multiple sides. And hey, at least I saw my comment somewhere in this video so there's that. It seems like while those like Unlucky Tug (one of the most notable members of the Thomas community) and CrovanWorks (isn't as well known since all of his in-depth analyses are on Deviantart) can provide their own in-depth evaluations about the characters in the Thomas franchise and so on that prove very valid points even if they may not be perfect. Your area of focus in these analysis videos so far seems to mostly be on the debunking of misconceptions that the fanbase may have between the established Thomas canon and the fanmade interpretations, which is different from the reviews of the franchise that all the other notable Thomas that I can think of. I'm interested to see more of this in the future.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

well I do have more planned

Is old shape henry an a0

5:08 who is that

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Oh just a model of What If Gordon looked like this if he was an A0

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane tbh this look like back when i used trainz 2012 back in 2015 i had to use a 2012 blue henry as gordon due the engine wasn't working

I always thought the A0 idea was dumb.

@ScorchZane

10 күн бұрын

I mean, it Is when you think about it

Old shape Henry is A0

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

honestly I agree

@mightymolly8783

5 ай бұрын

So Henry is one of Gordon's siblings 😂

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@mightymolly8783 tbh seems to be, (or maybe cousins or half brother). Tbh locomotive family trees are kinda complicated ngl

I think Gordon is an A1 pacific and not an A0

Why would this end your carrer?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Let’s say there are those who like to cancel people, let’s just say that. (I also just say that for comedic affect and I’m bored so :/)

@mary.of.mares.1470

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I don't critisize this because it's true for my AU Gordon is not an A0 or Great northern but Sir Frederick Banbury is perfect for Gordon, let's say Before the acual engine in 1922 was built and then given a name it was named Grodon and the railway board wanted to name him after that person so gordon was named and because Henry is stuck in the tunnel Sir tophamm hat needed an engine then he asked Sir Nigel Gresley if he could buy one of his locomotives and Sir Nigel presented gordon and Sir topham hat agreed and then gordon in 1923 was sent to sodor

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@mary.of.mares.1470 tbh you’ll find why I never saw Gordon as an A0

It would appear that most of the comments are either headcannons dis/agreeing with you, or people trying to correct you. And so why not throw my hat into the ring as well? The way I see it, I do agree that people shouldn't be calling Gordon an "A0" class locomotive as cannon, which you needn't have stated as harshly as you did, but you did indeed prove. That doesn't mean we can't call him one in fannon, as that's the entire point of fannon. Gordon was a prototype before a prototype, that being Great Northern the locomotive which was fairly similar to the class that came after it rather than a complete testbed, and while it would have gone against the Great Northern, the railway's practices, as no other series of classes they had had a 0th variant, it still is something fun the fandom can use. And while some people can separate the "A0" from the "A1"s and "A3"s, there are also many people who don't ignore the source material's story for inaccurate factuality's sake, and call Gordon and Scotsman brothers anyways. Think of it like a Skarloey and Rheneas scenario, brothers albeit different classes, or think of it like the A1s and A3s, one was rebuilt into the other, but they're all still sister engines at the end of the day. Again, yes parts of the fandom don't realize that Gordon being an A0 wasn't something Awdry came up with, but the anger you're showing for a nice touch of fun seems quite excessive indeed. Thank you for reading those who did.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

it’s not fun when it’s claimed as fact, you also forget some, somewhat agree with to some extent. Because if say something is claimed as fact, how is that fun? headcanon is fine, but to claim something as fact, that’s where I draw a line. either way thanks for you comment

@theisraelilocomotive70414

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane Oh by all means kids acting all high and mighty saying that something is oh so obviously a fact when it isn't is annoying to deal with, don't get me wrong, what I'm talking about it the fans coming up with this headcannon to fill in the holes Awdry didn't intend to leave for us, back when those parts of the fandom was new and not all the facts were out in the open.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@theisraelilocomotive70414 well I said what I said, so I guess I’ll leave it at that

What does the a2 look like

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

Best if you search it up

A0 is not a thing

I’m just going to say he’s a A2 pacific cause their is no A2

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

which company? GNR or NER, since the NER did design their own pacific which would be classified as an A2

@ryleeculla5570

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane GNR cause that’s what Greeley’s engines were for I think the GNR or the LNER

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@ryleeculla5570 funny you say that, there’s a trainz model is dubbed Gresley A2

A1

Im an A0 P.S my driver wrote this

Gordon is an A1

Grand engine

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Very grand indeed

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@cameraman77499 I mean he’s still an A1/A3, tbh I have no idea where the A0 even came from. (I also have a copy of the IOS Book, if you are interested, gives facts about big G himself).

@Brony2T

5 ай бұрын

Maybe they sat A0 as to shorten sentences and based on his class since Big G being the prototype A1

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

well Great Northern is also the prototype in real life, yet referred to as an A1 so I don’t see how that’s valid. otherwise up to you

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@cameraman77499 unlucky tug Here’s the link btw: drive.google.com/file/d/1Z1R1eWWX2-iwRTVxmuyYj5ebrgzE9KCs/view

Bruh 87546 is a0

@ScorchZane

Ай бұрын

That’s not RWS official lore

@____Simon____

Ай бұрын

How is 87546 an A0 87546 has no offical basis or even name.

You’re all wrong, Gordon is an A10

@LMS5935

5 ай бұрын

When the creator himself says Gordon is not an A0 who is the actual person that’s wrong here? You, Henry is suppose the A0, Reverend literally said Henry are the blueprints the exact blueprints everyone claims to be Gordon when he’s not supposed to be the blueprints he supposed to be fictional version of great Northern.

@Twiggystix4470

5 ай бұрын

@@LMS5935 you know A10’s were just reclassified A1’s right?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@Twiggystix4470if he’s an A0 then Scotsman visits is replaceable, because they are basic cousins in your logic

@Twiggystix4470

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I never said he’s an A0, I said he’s an A10.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

oh whoops sorry misread that (Tbh even if we call him an A10, what different would that make?)