Al is so close... but still not getting it. Russo is just a dingbat. I am not the biggest Meltzer guy, but it's simple...he found an example of a data point outside of his scale and extended his scale to try to measure it... happens all the time in science...get over it lol. He did it to highlight how amazing a couple matches were, and I hear it as "these are in a new category of quality". Also, it is a false dichotomy to think people cannot get star ratings and make lots of money. Don't make yourself sound stupid to try to figure out a way to make something purely opinionated wrong lol. Meltzer is a silly wrasslin reviewer... there aren't laws or even rules on how to do a nonsensical job in the first place.

@gypsymorning8558

Жыл бұрын

Al wasn’t a scientific wrestler.

@REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K

Жыл бұрын

😂

@sharronpeters7753

Жыл бұрын

@@gypsymorning8558 lol. I like Al, and he got super over back in the day... I just don't think they know the statistical significance of this. I would love to chit-chat with them about how this is a good thing.

@thehmc

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes the statistical significance of a make believe rating. Maybe next science can run some statistical analysis on the speed of wishes. This is hilarious cope for a dopey rating that means nothing. This comment is rated 2 out of 1000 stars.

@seanpaul93

Жыл бұрын

Great bit

Whenever someone tries to use Meltzer as a measuring stick for the quality of pro wrestling I think back to Scott Steiner’s MEM promo where he said something like “you go back to the locker room, play with your joystick and check to see if you got a 4 star match a 5 star match. What do care what some geek says? Ask us, and we’ll tell you that you suck.”

Meltzer is the biggest mark to ever walk the earth

@brainhakker7133

Жыл бұрын

And Eric Bischoff is Number 2 with a Flush !!

@DannyBZ9

Жыл бұрын

No Tony Khan is

I've been watching wrestling since 1991 and didn't even hear Meltzer's name until 2015.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

I didn't hear of him until the 2010s and I have been watching since 96

Al Snow vs The Head in 1999 was definitely a 7 star match!🤣

@danielburger1775

Жыл бұрын

It had great ropework

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

If it was in the Tokyo Dome it would have been 9 stars 😅

I'm 39, and have loved wrestling since 1987. I never heard of Meltzer until I bought my first smart phone and got on the internet. When I first heard the phrase Dirt Sheets, I thought people were talking about the Apter mags.

There's an extra star awarded now for Ropework. Ha.

Dave is so out of touch with reality when it comes to professional wrestling. He hurts the business more than he helps it.

@willglenn-bl9gm

Жыл бұрын

He really does, he starts shit amongst the boys with his gossip and fuckery

@albalog2449

Жыл бұрын

It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

We’re taking about the guy who gave HBK vs Undertaker at mania 25 a 4.75 star rating, as soon as he said that people should have realized the guy is nothing more than a hardcore fan boy

@sharronpeters7753

Жыл бұрын

He might have been there in person Like I was. The match was great, but far from perfect IMO. Are we talking about the first or second one?

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

​@@sharronpeters7753WM 25

love al's reaction, as it should be

@datacipher

Жыл бұрын

Yep, even in the preview, I was laughing. As soon as moron said Seven stars it broke Al’s brain.

@mickeyd8768

8 ай бұрын

Dave: "Seven Stars" Al: *facepalm*

I gotta tighten up my ropework

@heezyhines2209

Жыл бұрын

Yea me too man

Dave meltzer ruined wrestling

Anything in the Tokyo dome is 5 stars

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan got three stars.. and Kurt fucking Angle never had a five star match.

@soulindenial5001

21 күн бұрын

Im surprised Kurt never got a 5 star, vs Michaels, Taker, Brock, even his run in TNA is noteworthy

I have no idea how anyone has allowed Meltzer to gain this much influence, authority, or whatever it is he has .. But it's extremely bizarre fam

@thehmc

Жыл бұрын

The internet is full of stupid people and normalizing censorship has allowed them to create hugboxes. Then some doofs high up in the business decided that companies needed to pander to these dopey hugboxes.

@heezyhines2209

Жыл бұрын

@@thehmc I hear u ..

@drflexenstein3537

11 ай бұрын

Very bizarre fam. But I guess wrestling fandom is also bizarre.

"I can't see another 7 star match happening... (but if it does, Omega will be involved, and it will be in Japan.") 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟

This! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

The levels of narcissism in Meltzers comment is wild.

Poor steamboat and flare, a measly six stars. They don’t rate anymore.

Al is a dying breed where psychology was everything. For this generation of wrestlers to think they are so much better is a trap. They can do so much in the ring the problem is many don't know why or when to do it. It's like watching a bad big budget movie that looks cool sounds cool but the story gets lost if there was one at all it lacks soul. Al was also was taught humility and respect he knew he wasn't the big draw but a very capable hand who knew what he was doing. Today it's all about ego many had it in the past as well. Difference of it Today is they have the ego but the sensitivity of a five year old. It can't go together well because it comes off as not real. Modern wrestling in a nutshell.

Good Shit Pal !

This comment is a 2 1/4 star rating.

@kidneystonermusic

Жыл бұрын

Dude, ridiculous. I know a 2 1/2 star comment when I see one.

@kevnsport

Жыл бұрын

@@kidneystonermusic This reply has been approved by Dave Meltzer.

@frod79

29 күн бұрын

You might as well consider it 3 stars!

Vince has got himself a nice little channel. He's doing good.

When I read that Kurt Angle never got a 5 star match...

Never get bored with listening to Al torch Meltzer & Khan lol

Solid hand is Jeff Lane.

Growing up as a young wrestling fan, I took Uncle Dave seriously and had a real interest in what he said about a particular match. I thought he knew something that I didn't. Since he partnered up with the Young Bucks and Omega, he has become a complete joke. His ratings are so biased that they are impossible to take seriously, especially when any of those guys are involved. It's clear that they have either worked them or they're paying him.

@albalog2449

Жыл бұрын

Agreed and that's a similar experience to me. It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character, and be heavily biased to New Japan (NJPW) and ROH, which are very different styles. AJPW still had great matches into the early/mid 2000s. Like when Jamal (pre-WWE Umaga) was cleaning house and feuding in AJPW with Kawada and Muto, Meltzer didn't give any of his work five stars, when Umaga in Japan was no different than say a Vader match from the 1990s. Yet at that time, Meltzer started giving CM Punk, AJ styles, Samoa Joe, etc. five star matches and started becoming a smark. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

​@@albalog2449He went from being the Roger Ebert of wrestling to the Rotten Tomatoes of wrestling.

My biggest annoyance in wrestling is Meltzer being acknowledged. He contributes jack fuck all of shit.

You really should have your guy find out how many times he has given a five-star rating to the Bucks

Dave Meltzer didn’t ruin wrestling. The idiots that consider his ratings as the official scale ruined wrestling.

“20 minute train ride”.

I always thought it was stupid to rate a match that everyone knows it’s obviously fake. It even looks more fake than it did 20 years ago when people were doing specials exposing it as pre determined. To me wrestling having a good story sells the match and then if the match has interest that makes it good. Just speaking as a fan my entire life. A good example is the bloodline storyline. It’s been excellent. I’m really getting tired of long spot fest matches in AEW. It’s turning me away.

Some of his five star matches are deserving, some, but when you consider the fact that Kurt angle doesn’t have one five star match then that’s just crazy.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

Kurt Angle vs. HBK at WM 21 Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker at No Way Out 2006 are worthy of 5 stars

If im val venis, and I have a 1 minute match with gillberg in front of millions, and I get a big paycheck and lots of fame... im taking that over getting a 7 star meltzer review for some ring of honor dark match where I got not much other than hurt and over exposed. The modern idea of wrestling is so incredibly dumb, it actually hurts peoples careers and their bodies. Some of the comments from the meltzer fans on here are quote remarkable. Let me put it simply, Meltzer is making all the money, the wrestlers are not. The Rock, Austin, Hogan, made an immense amount of money, why? Because they know 20 minute long wrestling matches every week and star ratings doesnt pay them. Viewership does, and real viewership is not wrestling fans, its a mainstream audience. Its a career to these people, and they are losing money doing 40 spots each match and not selling the audience a story

I see two 5 stars undertaker and Shawn and I would say the rock and stone cold broth of these cards were great.

Lmao five stars don’t draw no money. This ain’t 1985, people wanna see a “great match” they can watch ufc or a boxing title fight and get a “great match” that’s actually real and has legit heat behind it lol the marks don’t get that, they think we have to watch fake wrestling or the world will stop.

Too funny Boss Man

LOL!!!

I call the seven star rating the Young Bucks rating. Dave gives every Young Bucks match five stars, so he had to find a way to differentiate the matches he really liked from their regular matches

Russo: "I'm no meth-matician" That would explain alot.

Forget 7 Im going for a 7.5 now LOL!

What does everybody want?

is al ok, he looked like he was about to faint lol

rope work

Vince you're a very handsomee man

The guys who screwed up TNA vs WWE are now critics of Meltzer and NJPW AEW

The question is are the two wrestlers Al Snow speaks about are from the 🇺🇸 or 🇯🇵. If they are from the later they can do know harm and the rating is 👍 as we learned from AEW, where 🇯🇵 must always win.

I give the TLC match at WM17 a 10 star. How about those apples 😂

this podcast gets a 10 star rating

Lol. The Young Bucks have had more five-star matches in the last year than Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat had in their career. Hell, they even have more than Bret Hart

@thesegafan4472

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and it drove away 200,000- 300,000 viewers

@mikawhofan

Жыл бұрын

Well when you name a maneuver after him automatically 5 stars

It's not even his system. 🤣🤷‍♂️

I didnt watch the 7 star match, which means there wasnt a buzz around it, which means the casual viewer doesnt care. Which ultimately makes it a 1 star

👏😂👏🤣👏

That 7 star match is the Kenny Omega match against the Japanese wrestler right? I’ve seen better matches in WCW

Brock Lesnar Vs Kofi Kingston was an 8 Star match

Dave broke the system!!! Be free Dave. You think it's worth 67 stars, so be it 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

Using the word "literally" out of context is one of my pet peeves. Al Snow said Meltzer literally had sex with a dog.

Someone correct me I believe meltzer gave misawa vs Kawada 6/3/94 over 5 stars I could be wrong tho

Pointless rating system. A person that has never actually participated on a high level in a particular sport should not be taken seriously….I.e. Meltzer.

Jeff Lane = Salacious B. Crumb

I think wrasslin fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...fighting with other fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...largely over how many stars were awarded to a match... is pretty sad, and also not good for the business. I think wrestling has so many companies, facets, and styles of wrasslin... things are flourishing pretty well if you take off your declinism-colored glasses lol. Google declinism, then WWE financials, Royal Rumble, and then the number of profitable wrestling companies in the world doing similar lol. Enjoy your flavor and spend less time trying to yuck other people's yums. It shows how unhappy you are deep down.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

Since Vince McMahon left and WWE is now under Triple H, it has become better

Stars mean nothing now. When Dave was critical, 3 stars was impressive. 7 stars? Go home Dave you're drunk.

@danielburger1775

Жыл бұрын

Star ratings never meant anything

@thehmc

Жыл бұрын

"Now?"

10 false finishes prob gets you an auto 4 stars

Lol aew have as more 5 Star matches than WWE The top two are misawa (fair) and osprey Meltzer has been a joke since day 1

Japanese wrestling is very slow paced with silly moments. Some may even think it's subpar.