Having even bass response is much better then just pure horse power, that's why I'd pick 2 smaller subs over one big sub any day of the week.

I’ve got the Dayton audio sealed 15’s in my living room. 4 of them. They sound great but in my theater I bought 4 of the 18’s Dayton audio 18’s and did diy boxes and man SOOOO much better. I’ve got 2 placed below the front screen and 2 placed behind the rear seats in the corners. Basically 1 in each corner of the room about 1ft away from both walls. You never want to butt the subs up against the walls. Audioholics has some good videos on how to get good seat to seat consistency I’m telling you if you do that and do the bass shakers you will fall in love! The Marty sub boxes are awesome!

We went diy and the performance is crazy! 2 stereo integrity ds4 18’s in minimarty’s still have them, but currently using legacy ef 15’s in 4 cube ported boxes they sound amazing!

Wow!!! Thanks for the update!!! I'm in a situation to where the wife ok'd me to upgrade the sub. We have the same thought process. I really enjoy low end Bass as well.

Mini DSP and Rew with either JTR subs or try S3611 or S7201 sealed subs from PSA and you will have all the chest slam and deep extension you need

@MidnightMagic

5 жыл бұрын

agree, dual S7201 in that room would rock

I think two cap 18 inch sealed for that chest thump flanking the front row of seating. And the 4000s in the back for that low end rumble.

I think testing the sealed is a great idea, if it works out, go for the ultimate - 4 x SI 24"s - 2 upfront 2 x at the rear I've seen your dad's diy dual 18 sub and it turned out great. Post up on the DIY forum and get Ltd02 or bassthathz to model up some boxes that perfectly meet your space requirements. Add a couple of clone amps or Speakerpower amps, I'd be surprised if you didn't end up with way beyond reference level bass down to 5hz in your small room

Tactile transducers... then you have the option of using smaller subs to fill you spl addiction and still feel the impact. Just a thought. I run 4 12's and aura bass shakers in my seating.

always enjoy the videos

What's up Jonathan? Have a question. When you put up your fabric did you notice that you got better black levels? Or do you think it just makes your screen pop more because your room has no reflective surfaces. My room is so small that the light is bouncing back to my screen and crushing my black levels. I hope your doing well with your subwoofer search. I cant wait for the update.

Have you considered utilizing REW before you spend thousands of dollars on a sub? Seems getting some measurements in that room is important. That way you know whether it's worth putting subs behind the screen. And, you may get away with having just one up front or one in the rear.

@jamiet74

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, but this was already mentioned on AVS, he's not interested in measurements, only how it sounds

@cl2nden1st89

5 жыл бұрын

ILoveCookies X REW is so simple to play around with. It the boggles the mind how some people can spend sooo much cash and yet believe that all they need is their flawed ears/senses to evaluate speakers. After my brother got hearing tests done he still denies that he can’t hear anything above 12 kHz and insists he has good hearing - and he’s in his mid twenties only. Denial is a bitch. If it were me, I’d demolish that room and rebuild it, (seriously, while maybe keeping the subs) or sell the house entirely and buy one that has better sized dimensions that’s actually fit for a home theatre.

@burningsti

5 жыл бұрын

ILoveCookies X that’s stupid with the amount of money being spent and the reasoning for switching. It could be all placement issue related. Know your room first seems to make sense.

@cl2nden1st89

5 жыл бұрын

Zachary Faley I don’t know if a bass array arrangement was even the best utilization / placement of his subs soundwise. While we’ve got a lot theory behind how multiple subs could be placed most effectively in a small room, the only way to find out for sure without wasting hours or even days of subjective listening tests is through measurements. I look at REW as not the ultimate arbiter of sound quality but as one of a number of supplemental diagnostic tools necessary, besides our own ears in any multichannel audio room design - it’s really not too different to using an SPL meter to check for loudness levels and an excessive noise floor, or bass tone tests to find problem frequencies that can cause audible resonance and vibration in the walls or room objects, or even a laser distance measurement device to precisely plug-in amount of ms delay compensation needed for each speaker channel. Room modes are always going to be an issue in a small room but it’s impossible to visually see the huge cancellations or nulls that may be remedied with subtle phase adjustments or even unintuitive crossover changes (one may need to divide a different FR bass workload for each sub) that could help even out the subs’ overall response. It may be that the room is unsalvageable for the kind of quality slamming bass that your looking for without extensive modification after all - though I doubt that. In the same way I wouldn’t simply eyeball my projector choice and placement (*I calibrate my projector screen in a similar way with my NEC and laptop monitor). I wouldn’t trust my ears alone to setup my sub(s) as bass (more-so than the mids and highs) has the most to benefit when it comes to calibration.

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

@@burningsti the subs only have a single location that works within the room (at the rear behind the seating). it's really not that much money all things considered. people do far dumber things like buy cars & homes they can't afford, or have bad/expensive habits like gambling, smoking, drinking. nothing wrong with enjoying the fruits of your labor and indulging a little.

Hi Johnathan, I posted a comment in your previous video. I was recommending a subwoofer brand. I did not see this video & the news that you have decided on JTR. Congrats & I hope they provide what you felt you were missing :) Still look them up if even for the fun of it. Cheers!!

I like your glasses.

I'm not a sound engineer but I think odd numbers of subs won't really work as well as even. 2 is better than 1. So,, then if you have the space....and want to go nuts...buy 4 JTR Captivators. But prepare for damage to your room. :) Youthman (KZreadr) had a surround speaker come off the wall. Another guy had a hole in the ceiling. I'd assume though 2 should be more than enough for any room of a decent size e.g. 18x24 feet..

@aaromon43

3 жыл бұрын

I have a single cap4000 now and it's nuts. Definitely getting a second soon 🤣

@AGC828

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaromon43 I envy you. :) Even if I haven't experienced a JTR sub yet. :) I'd say 2 is enough. Even with just the one...not sure if that's already powerful enough to do damage to a room if pushed "too hard". Keep us posted...when you get the 2nd beastie. Do a demo video... I'm getting more than 2 would easily be overkill. Even if you do have a 18x24 foot room..8-10 foot ceilings if already there (average home..ceilings are under 8 feet...basements).

@AGC828

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaromon43 When you DO...pls make a vid...hehe...LUCKY!! :) Remember to strengthen the room. :) Guys have lost surround speakers jumping off the mounts. Pieces of ceiling have fallen...no joke....your door..might need a new heavy acoustic door..one JTR owner had to have have a buddy hold the door shut LOL!!

Awesome set up! Any reason ur not going with PSA S7201s? Those things are monsters. Also, how do you like the MTM210s? Ive been thinking about PSA speakers for years so I'd love to hear your thoghts

I hope the upgrade will create soooo much bass that it will cause cardiac arrest when I get admitted into the theater room. I can't wait.

@Stephanie-iw1bz

5 жыл бұрын

Lilah66 L. You guys are cray. Last time I was over I felt like I was oozing cerebral fluid from my ears for days. 🤣

I'm glad I found your channel. I was considering the Rythmik LVX12 hoping for authoritative low end. Going into a 2,900 CSqft room. So my plan is to purchase the HSU VFT3-MK5 HP, SVS PB-2000 and Rythmik LVX12 at the same time and keep which sounds best. But you're video might have changed that. If your 15" 600 watt? Rythmik were not deep and loud enough, the 12's may not be either. I'm looking clean, deep audible LFE. Sigh. What a search. Note. With in budget. Lol

You have basically recreated every thing I have done in my HT, dropping surround heights because of ATMOS, whole black room and moving the screen wall twice 😂. I to am at the stage where I am about to put a second row of seats in. I am going to build a riser and use it as a giant bass trap, check out the AVSfourm riser 101 thread. Why not SVS subs? I love mine

BTW thanks for sharing. I can appreciate your process.

Could the subs directly behind the screen have enough power to make the screen rattle or even shake it?

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

Konst. Schm. yes, for sure they will. the question is how much and will it be noticeable... i hope not!

Why did you decided to sell your Rythmik FV25hp subwoofers and switching to the 4000ulf? My theater room is 30'x16' and I currently have 2 SVS PB-2000's (too weak imo) that I really want to get rid of and was debating between the FV25HP or the JTR 2400's. I currently have the SVS prime towers and center but they're lacking a bit and I've been looking at the MT-210t and MT-210c. How do you like your MT-210t?

@aaromon43

4 жыл бұрын

i love the mtm-210t's. don't see myself ever getting rid of them. the rythmik fv25's were fun, but the jtr's are on another level.

Very Impressive setup... but with ports in a small room you'd get huge bass cancellation/modes wouldn't you? (as the port pushes the driver pulls and vice versa) Sealed definitely go lower and reproduce more faithful bass than ports too... and did you say PSA towers have no bass??? :|

I can't wait to see the outcome

I know you are looking to get the mother of god subs JTR4000 subs but you should really give PSA a try with their V3611 subs since you say that you are looking for that tactile feeling. They specialize in that department for sure.

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

Troy Brown Entertainment i will reach out to tom @ psa and see what he recommends. i'm open to all options! i have psa towers after all :)

@troybrownentertainment2324

5 жыл бұрын

@@aaromon43 Yeah you really do need to reach out to Tom because even though AVS members try to knock them because they no longer get there subs tested by data bass, they really do give me the best tactile bass response I felt in my room. I tried JTR1400 and Mark Seaton submersive sub and felt Tom's V1811 subs was the best for me. Because of your space I would highly recommend the PSA V3611 subs 👌

@burningsti

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Lindhome don't think you would be happy with V3611's. You would want dual S7201's. But I second what others have said. Why do you not have REW yet? Maybe the location of your subs isn't optimal but you want know until you REW

@troybrownentertainment2324

5 жыл бұрын

@@burningsti Jonathan is looking for more tactile bass not the deepest bass so my recommendation would be the V3611 instead of the S7201 subs 🤢🤢🤢

@burningsti

5 жыл бұрын

Troy Brown Entertainment one S3611 and S7201 would give more tactile response and be flat in his tiny room to 5 have probably. Guarantee he would notice and miss the lower portion tune of the Rythmik. There is a reason PSA owners are asking Tom for a lower tuned ported sub there was a lot of discussed in which Tom participated in on AVS. I would bet Jonathan to consider a PSA sealed option or JTR in his small room.

how could 3 of those rythmik's not be enough ???????????????

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

the only thing i can relate it to is the feeling a high horsepower car gives you when you step on the gas pedal. it was great fun, but i want more.

Hey any updates ? Did you ever get the JTR subwoofers ????

Any updates yet ? Can't wait too see how the JTR are going too sound.

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

have been talking with jeff @ jtr, stay tuned.

@willworld3007

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully he cuts you a nice deal. That no free shipping is deal breaker sometimes. I have heard hes S2 captivator and orbital shifter nothing compares to hes S2 had chest slamming bass. Orbiter shifter felt like the end of the world was coming.

If you get the 3 JTR's...I might have to fly out and check them out.

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

you have an open invite once i get them. i'm (most likely) going to wait until spring to purchase them though. it's not about finances, but a matter of (probably) needing to take the drivers & amps out of the cabinets to safely transport them through my side-door and down my basement steps into the room. doing this last year with the rythmik fv25's was dangerous and stupid because the steps are tiled and with the snow getting tracked in the steps became slippery. the rythmik subs were at least protected in cardboard but the jtr's won't be. it would be much safer and easier to move them when the weather warms up again in a few months. the width of the staircase isn't very wide either, it will be an ordeal moving them so i think disassembling them is the safest bet and i'm not doing that when it's 10 degrees & snowing outside. gives me something to look forward to at any rate.

What is your ceiling height? and projector height? been toying of the idea of doing my basement but I only have 7ft 2" unfinished height. Thanks

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

~7' average ceiling height, projector is probably ~6'6" off the ground.

Hi I've been trying to find in your videos a place were you review or talk about the Fluance bipolar speakers but I can't maybe put a link in a response. I'm looking at them right now but there are no real reviews on them anywhere. I was referred to you by a guy on the Canadian FB Home theatre page. the ones I want are the signature series but if the elites are more than enough I'll save the cash.

Personally I prefer sealed, servo- controlled subs. They probably can’t dig as deep or as loud as you want as individual units, but anything other than that sounds bloated in my ears. Without enough control. Buy whatever you want... BUT Buy 4 of them!!! place them strategically in the room to smooth the bass response Prior to calibration and then calibrate them as One sub (Audyssey does it extremely good if you use all measurements around your MLP - don’t bother with the other seats) If you need more bass output after that ( I seriously doubt it, even with just 4 x dd12+) then stack another four in the same strategic places 😉 If done properly, I am sure it will relief you of your “bass illness” 😊 Just my 2 cents from the doctor ☺️

@aaromon43

4 жыл бұрын

if i don't like the sound of the jtr subs i can always send them back and purchase the dual 18 vented (fv28) that rythmik just came out with. good to have options.

@joneslarvell2075

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Lindhome yes it is good to have options ☺️ I am just advising you to consider to use 4 “of whatever sub you chose-regardless of how many woofers they have”. Once set up and calibrated properly your frequency response and phase coherency will be greatly improved. When that happens you will be able to hear more bass (frequencies that were lost before due to cancellations) and louder bass! The key is not to stack the different units or place them just in the front of the room, but to place them in a way that “attacks and cancels” the most problematic standing waves (room modes) in the sub-100hz region. If you don’t get that right, it doesn’t matter how powerful of a sub you get. The “opposing waves” that will be created will be equally powerful and will cancel part of your bass in your listening position. Again, buy whatever you want... but buy it x4, place it and calibrate it correctly 😊 Just my two cents 😉 Happy hunting of gear and happy listening! 😃

@aaromon43

4 жыл бұрын

@@joneslarvell2075 i agree with what you're saying but the size of my room, screen, seating, etc., doesn't allow for sub placements other than the rear of the room. in the next house hopefully ;)

Why sell those Rythmiks? Those are the newest model and are incredibly powerful.

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

i grew bored of them. time for an upgrade.

Dude... It's been 2 months.. Where is your next video?

@aaromon43

5 жыл бұрын

i can't order the subs until it warms up outside. long story but maybe i'll make a video about it. have just been busy and have not been focusing on the theater lately.

How the update coming ?

you are as crazy as me about home theater, i wonder if you refactor your room more htan actually watch movies like me. spending $50,000 for no reason.

@aaromon43

4 жыл бұрын

the journey is more fun than the reward. i'm the same way with collecting movies. it's more fun to know i have something than it is to sit down and watch it haha.

Terrible move. Rythmik > jtr. YOU COMPLETE MOR!N!

@aaromon43

Жыл бұрын

They're not even comparable.