Might appeal to some inner city trendy brewery/cafe/art store , but outside of that, no way that works in the real world (tradies, delivery across metro/regional areas)

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the potential issue is most inner-city people live in apartments where overnight charging is not usually available.

@stevenmcdonald

5 ай бұрын

​@drivingenthusiastaustralia The target market is small businesses, who would most likely leave it on their property to charge overnight. Not many individuals are looking for a commercial van as a daily driver. 200km is more than most delivery drivers do a day.

Use a diesel van for deliveries, only stop for fuel once every 3 days.

@steveinoz8188

5 ай бұрын

Use an EV and plug it in at home. if the battery pack only runs 250km you can charge it easy.

@garageblitztv3215

5 ай бұрын

21 hours to charge from dead flat … when does the delivery driver work? The Peugeot e-Partner has a 50KwH battery and an alleged range of 260klms and will take 21 hours to charge from a standard GPO. The average delivery driver will hit 500klms in a day regularly. You would need a gigantic rooftop solar array, with a massive home battery to absorb enough sunlight, to then power your home overnight and recharge the van Via a fast charger. As Brett Davis was trying to get across in the video, you need to make sure it will work for you as it has big limitations over ICE. John Cadogan has been banging on about peoples “scientific literacy” for years now and he’s put his money where his mouth is and started AutoExpert home Solar and Battery for people who actually want to do something for the environment rather than virtue signal with EVs

@steveinoz8188

5 ай бұрын

22kW for 3 hours should be fine.@@garageblitztv3215

Pathetic for tradies. Most new building sites power is not readily available. Also time is money in trade, so if delivering all day - the time to charge would not work. Also turn aircon on a hot day and fill the cargo area up and the range would be half lol.

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

Yep, I noticed pretty quick drops in range with the cargo area filled up.

EV cars the Sanyo Betacord of 2024 🤪

We aren’t ready for electric vehicles in Australia, let alone the world honestly.

turn the heater on in winter doing pre-dawn deliveries and you get about 50k range.

The video title accurately sums it up. Pointless.

It's good to deliver baguettes in the local area where the van is parked at the shop overnight.

an electric delivery van with a smartphone battery simply won't work in Australia

How much is your time worth waiting to charge? What is the depreciation cost?

Unless you have a home charger, this vehicle is useless to a trades person. Trades people are time poor, who has the time to sit around charging an ecobox. I hear Tesla has a small commercial platform on the drawing board, they should shake up the industry. Also there are vans now on the market with a 800v system to speed up the charging.

At least they didn't put the charger flap on the front. The EVs with the flap at the front risk the charging receiving end getting damaged thus the car unchargable if it got into a front end fender bender.

Putting the EV model aside, in gerneral, is the Peugeot Partner van any good.

I guess peugeot etc continue to build them as the factories are set up...$35k to $40k would be an acceptable price...

Wow, 60% more expensive to re-charge than an ICE vehicle to fill with fuel …. $20,000 more expensive than ICE to purchase with less load carrying ability and 75% less range. John Cadogan is right … this is not like phones, going from corded to flip to smartphones etc, where they kept getting better. Chris Bowen’s future is not looking good. Thank you for your honest review, hopefully car companies don’t penalise you for it.

by your numbers alone it isn't way cheaper to fill being generous to the EV @ 69c/kwh a 40kwh charge is $27.6 for about 200km of range and the petrol using your worst case of 10l/100km that's only $37.8 so the EV version may seem cheaper but this supposed to be a work vehicle so with a minimum wag here of $23.23 if you have an employee there for 75 minutes recharging that's $29 for a total of $56.6 and while there is time in the petrol refill your not doing a 20l refill more like a 40 or 50l and it's a couple minute that can be done on route

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

Yes, you're right. And the charge I demonstrated here wasn't a full charge either, so not 200km. It was actually $27 for about 180km. I wanted to go further into it but I figured it was already enough of a beating and I made my point.

@shaynegadsden

5 ай бұрын

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia you seemed pretty thorough but some people seem to forget that time is money too especially in business and even so i was still be generous because most know that minimum wage isn't the actual cost to the business.

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

@@shaynegadsden Totally agree. Time is definitely money with a vehicle like this. And in Australia delivery drivers are often paid per delivery rather than per hour.

Yeah, I need 2x range of that here in the US before I would consider this, but anyways nothing like that is even available here now thanks some tariff we have on small cargo vans. I'm waiting for it though and holding on to my van and keeping her alive until it shows up. I'm thinking 2026/27 is when we will see a van like this with a 500mi range and 300mi charge up in 20 minutes. But we also need a lot more infrastructure for it to make sense and nobody is talking about what mass adoption of EV would do the grid.

I like Peugeot cars, their engines are well engineered, reliable and fuel economy is hard to beat. I don't like their electronics. Every year they keep adding more sensors, more electronic controls. My last Peugeot the ECU failed, couldn't do anything, no crank, windows stuck down. Why would anyone buy a Peugeot that, apart from the body, seats, tyres and windows, is ALL electric?

So 'when do you charge' your EV Van using your rooftop Solar Panels? If that is during the day then by default your are taking a full day off from working with the van. If you do an Abanese and charge it *'overnight'* using your rooftop then you are a goose looking in the bodily place where the sun doesn't shine. Ouch an hour and 16 minutes sitting doing/earning nothing.

The $120 to fill the petrol model gets you 600-800km, the $50 to fill the electric one gets you 150-200km, so the saving is where? Also the $21,000 saving gets you a lot further than 160,000km because you need to factor in the cost of your electric “fuel” costs. Electric cars don’t cost zero dollars to refuel.

$60k and you still need to use a Key for an EV LOL Don't forget the time spent to charge your car vs filling up. You sat there for over 1hr wasting your time and waiting to charge your van and not even 100%. Petrol in and out in 5mins.

This is the future. Our elected officials are responsible. 🤨

If you are going to review a small battery van likely to be used for deliveries then better consider the daily duty cycles where it will be most suited/advantaged, eg overnight depot charging of a fleet with an 80-130 planned delivery run in city traffic with plenty of stops. It won’t be long before sub $40K Chinese EV vans will do these daily drive cycles (and a lot more) cost effectively. Very few Australians will ever buy a European commercial EV because they are poor EVs.

Maybe this van is not refined enough 😂. But anyway, as I said to family EV users, an important prerequisite to buy an electric vehicle is to be able to charge it at your regular parking space, whatever if it is at home or a designated parking lot of the company. Charging at a fast charger will always be expensive and it must be expensive, because it is not as eco-friendly as charging at home/designated parking lot.

A few retailers - e.g. OVO, AGL - now offer 8c/kWh to charge from minight to 6am. Can charge up overnight. Really how many are doing more than 200km a day? Of course if you can charge during the day on solar, even better.

Many such electric delivery vans where I live, no noise, no pollution, no CO2, cheap to run, no maintenance, etc. And according to the drivers 50 kWh is just fine since they have a lot of vans and they can use such electric vans for more urban deliveries and other vans with bigger batteries or with an ICE for longer trips.

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

Thanks. But there's still the question of why is this $20,000 more than the ICE version?

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Because the battery still costs a lot, that is why there are incentives in many countries. Not to mention there is less competition than for consumer cars, in other words no Tesla delivery van. And that's why more range at a higher price would have been the "pointless" option. And when batteries will be cheaper, eg with the switch to LFP batteries, the main priority will not be to have more range for the money, but a cheaper car/van for the same range. People who drive ICE cars just don't understand that a big range is not the priority, on a daily basis 245 km WLTP is far enough, and for long trips you just need enough range to go from one fast charger to the next one or to your destination. So what you need is not big batteries but a good charging network. However, delivery is not about long trips. BTW, the most sold Teslas are the 50 kWh versions, ie the ones with the smallest batteries, at least in Europe where Tesla's superchargers are everywhere.

Not a good idea for living and working remote.

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

Agree. It would be very difficult (and time-consuming) to use this for work in rural areas.

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Because there is no electricity in rural areas in Australia ?

@drivingenthusiastaustralia

5 ай бұрын

@@didierpuzenat7280 Lack of fast chargers paired with longer-distance driving = a big day. May I ask, are you a delivery driver? Would you consider one of these? I spoke to 4 delivery drivers during this test and all four said this vehicle would be useless to them. Keen to hear from any delivery driver out there that has one of these.

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia No, I am not, I own a Tesla model 3 since 2018 and it is the only car of a family of 5. And I have been in many European countries for vacation without any issue. And most of the time I charge on a simple domestic socket in my garage. However, my electrician has an electric van (e-Partner), almost all light vans of French post office are electric (Kangoo ZE), the guy that deliver me groceries and milk use an electric big van (Master ZE I think), etc. And for the post office, it includes rural areas. But I understand Australia is bigger, however I am not convinced that a bigger country implies longer deliveries since deliveries are rarely directly from the factory/farm/port to the client.

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

If you have time to waste (and speak French) a video of a youtuber following the day of a rural French post office woman. The van is electric but it is not even said in the video since it is just normal : kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYKB3NqwdMyshbg.html And the store where I buy most of my drinks, free delivery, they operate in several big French cities, all their vans are electric but once more they do not say it in the video since it is just the way to go in 2024 : kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnus1qWFlpi8iJM.html

This is the most useless car I have ever seen. EVs are rubbish for sure, but this one is the ultimate E-trash. When will we get rid of these useless battery toy cars out of our roads?

@mvnorsel6354

5 ай бұрын

Your in for a long wait.

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

When will EVs be out of roads ? Hum, maybe if/when climate change is so bad that people are only able to afford bicycles. So obliviously far after the death of petrol cars.

@joshwakawaka7409

5 ай бұрын

I would rather buy bicycles if pertrol car is no longer offered. @@didierpuzenat7280

A "light commercial vehicle" does an average of 15 300 km per year in Australia (insurance data), so less than 42 km per day based on 365 days, or 51 km based on 300 days. So 245 km WLTP of range is just perfect, and yes it means less than 200 km at highways speed but probably about 300 km in cities. And if you run a business, eg for deliveries, you probably have a place to park, so you charge at a low price during the night and have a full battery every morning, so you will wait less to charge (the time to plug ?) than the time you waste at the gas station. I do not know how expansive is electricity in Australia, but where I live (France) I can drive 100 km for 1,5 € since I charge during the night, so not even the price of one liter of gas. Not to mention almost zero maintenance. But sure, if it does not match your needs it is obviously not for you, but the point is that it is perfect for most people. And yes it is still expansive, that's why in many countries who have signed the Paris agreement (keeping climate warming under to 2 degrees globally) there are incentives.

@motleydude73

5 ай бұрын

Courier vans can do 100,000 kms a year so how good will they be then?

@didierpuzenat7280

5 ай бұрын

@@motleydude73 According to the stats only an ultra minority of commercial vans are doing 100 000 km per year, as previously written the average is 15 300 km in Australia. However 100 000 km per year is 273 km per day if used every day, so you can either use a 50 kWh van and charge during the day -- eg during lunch (30 minutes) -- or just chose a van with a bigger battery and save a ton of money. Because 100 000 km with the poor fuel efficiency of a van (compared to a sedan) and with gas always more expansive makes going electric even more economic. Not to mention CO2 and pollution. Contrary to popular belief, an EV is even more valuable when heavily used.

Reviews are good. Sure to be a success. Ignore this video.

Ohh! A politically correct small commercial vehicle! How quaint.

yea it,s a dud !