Don't listen to people with opinions, listen to people with experience, got it. Thank you very much. Great video.

@PetrolPed

13 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I learned more in that 23 min video clip, then in hours of googling. Thanks Moggy

@PetrolPed

2 ай бұрын

Great to hear 👍

@nickdeagle3271

Ай бұрын

What’s a moggy? Name?

@billybobbob3003

13 күн бұрын

@@PetrolPed the only myth is that ev's are good lol batteries are JUNK!

"Don't listen to people with opinion. Listen to people with experience" Nicely said. A great video. Didn’t think I would listen to the finish, but I did. Great job! Thank you 🙏

@PetrolPed

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

@noobz5056

Ай бұрын

Listen to God, not the trained/certified EV battery technicians that follow code or protocols that are placed by the management that are placed by the elite criminals to control you for profit. The truth is that EV batteries in a car need 3A or less to maintain long battery life. Fast charging will degrade the battery quickly. That is for the conventional battery cells for the general consumer.

@paulbelsey7111

Ай бұрын

And there are plenty of videos showing that EVs are not the future.

I've specialized in batteries for 25 years now and it really is an annoying career because so many people want to tell me how much more they know about batteries than I do. Unfortunately the vast majority of them have 10 pounds of opinion and 2 pounds of knowledge.

@michelians1148

4 ай бұрын

And they'll need 30,000 pounds sterling to replace the batteries

@sonnyonny4900

4 ай бұрын

$60,000 American for a Hyundai ioniq 5 battery. What a joke​@@michelians1148

@pilotavery

4 ай бұрын

​@@michelians1148And people who power their cars by explosions of hydrocarbons have to replace their engines once they wear out, so?

@michelians1148

4 ай бұрын

@@pilotavery Yeah bro people have to spend £30K on replacing their engine every few tears. Also second hand cars need new engines too 🤪

@pilotavery

4 ай бұрын

@@michelians1148 I was being sarcastic, engines don't have to be replaced all that often and when they do it's very rare occurrence. It's the same with electric vehicle batteries. Only the very first generation of model s's are coming up for replacement and they are the older cells that don't last very long. The current generation lasts 200,000 mi and still has 90% left but the new LFP batteries currently shipping in the Tesla model 3 lasts easily 500,000 miles

We have a Chevy volt that is 10 years old and has 40,000 miles on it. We are officially an elderly couple and very rarely drive beyond the range of the batteries. We live in town and 90% of our driving is within a 20 mile round trip. If we anticipate driving farther than the range of the batteries we put the car in mountain mode . This mode essentially guarantee that the battery doesn't get down all the way on the trip before the small gas engine kicks in and starts charging the batteries. GM wants the gas engine to be used at least 10 minutes every month anyway and and has this programmed into the system. Once in a while I let the car run the batteries down until the engine kicks in in normal mode to check on battery degradation. So far we have noticed no degradation that we can notice. The car has given us 40000 trouble free miles and has so far shown no evidence of body corrosion. At this rate and our very senior driving style we anticipate this car should, barring an accident, last us the rest of our lives. Given our low electricity rates it only costs us $1.50 to drive 50 miles which ain't bad. And you guys are correct, there's an awful lot of misinformation out there concerning electric cars from people who never owned or driven one.

Moggy is FANTASTIC!!!! Cuts through the nonsense and explains things so simply and so well. The perfect guest. Well done 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻

@PetrolPed

Ай бұрын

👍

After hearing this I am going to change my charging habits. 80% is better than I thought for what I am doing. Great information video.

As much I dont like queues at charging points this year, I glad that you guys busted this myth. Got EV myself and first time in my life happy do not care about suspicious noises, oil change, discusting smoke around and so on. Just open doors, push couple buttons and drive. Also enjoy supercar like acceleration and power. Great stuff, thank you all, engineers!

@phprofYT

4 ай бұрын

African miners thank you.

@StuartAT

4 ай бұрын

​@@phprofYTThey use cobalt to remove the sulphur, when they're refining petrol and diesel but cobalt mining wasn't mentioned until EVs appeared...🤔 🤫

@HGSuper

4 ай бұрын

​@@phprofYTcobalt is used to make Dino fuel. But lithium is recycled.

@1HeatWalk

4 ай бұрын

@@phprofYT fossil fuel, hybrids, and full EVs all uses a battery but just different amounts. Regardless, anything that used a battery has ties to African slave labor.

I’m a new EV driver and this video taught me so much. Thanks a million!

@markreed9853

8 ай бұрын

for more information on EVs and other things this channel is great 😁 www.youtube.com/@fullychargedshow

@SuperFredc

27 күн бұрын

He taught you that 40% of your range has disappeared if you want to keep your battery in tip top condition lol

@johnb1567

7 күн бұрын

@@SuperFredc , lol... there is always a couple of you turds in the comments. I guess you have no comprehensive skills do ya, just your "opinion" which we just learned is no good.

@MoonJellyGames

4 күн бұрын

​@@SuperFredc I imagine that most people (such as myself) don't require 40% of their range for day-to-day driving needs.

@SuperFredc

4 күн бұрын

@@MoonJellyGames If it suits you, it suits you. My point still stands.

As they say, every day is a day at school, that was an education. BRILLIANT, 'Don't Listen to people with Opinions, Listen to People with Experience' thanks Moggy best advice I've heard in over 50 years !! 👍

@spencerpieters5502

8 ай бұрын

The problem with that is that even people with experience often have a reason to say what they say. Doing what he does for a living, Moggy isn't going to declare that batteries are rubbish even if they are, right? I mean: he's selling these conversions for a living. He gains financial benefit from telling you what he does. Not saying he's lying but that it's hard to find an independent party these days. Everyone has an agenda.

@FFVoyager

8 ай бұрын

@@spencerpieters5502 including you.

@spencerpieters5502

8 ай бұрын

@@FFVoyager Absolutely! Never ask your questions to a sales guy. Find an independent source.

@FFVoyager

8 ай бұрын

@@spencerpieters5502 how do you find an 'independent source' on EV battery technology who is not involved in promoting EVs? 🤔

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

I agree 👍

This guy knows his stuff. This guy also builds and sells batteries for a living. Would have liked to see a debate format.

This should be on a DVD with one's new EV with the manual. Something simple that new owners can watch to get them going. Actually, just READ the car's manual. It is spelled out clearly... (...what manual?)

@PetrolPed

5 ай бұрын

Great idea 👍

My favorite battery charging explanation was "Imagine a giant double decker stadium and the top deck is full and the bottom deck is empty. All the people represent electrons. A whistle blows and everyone scrambles to get to the bottom deck. At first there are big bottle necks, then the flow starts stabilizing. The deck starts to fill up fast till you get to the final 20%. After you get to the final 20%, most seats are occupied and people spend more time wandering around looking for an empty seat. The less seats left available the harder it is for the "electrons" to find a "hole" to sit down in so it takes longer.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Nice 👌

@bobb.6393

8 ай бұрын

add beer and hotdogs and then your battery loss is greater

@BRMCaptChaos

7 ай бұрын

Not quite, we are looking at moving electrons from anode to cathode. These routes are fine. We are ultimately dealing with manufacturer tolerance.

@andrewallen9993

7 ай бұрын

An excellent analogy, now imagine that they don't go from top to bottom in an orderly fashion but push and shove so every time they move up and down some of them get crushed and die (normal charging), then imagine there is a stampede and lots of them are crushed to death (fast charging), this explains why batteries become useless after a number of cycles, no electrons (people) left or not enough to do any work.

@oggyoggy1299

3 ай бұрын

Why would the bottleneck at the stadium lessen then stabilise? An hour glass seems to flow at the same rate regardless of the amount of sand on top.

I ran a Nissan eNV200 as a nationwide same day courier. Nissans are not noted for their battery longevity, they use old tech and very rudimentary thermal management (although unlike the Leaf at least the eNV has some). But after 130,000 miles in just 2 years and a huge number of rapid charges (sometimes as many as 5 a day) it still retained 90% of it's original battery capacity and therefore range. I was more than happy with a vehicle which would still be perfectly serviceable beyond 250 or perhaps even 300,000 miles with minimal repair costs, so I've stuck with an EV and wouldn't go back to a combustion car as a daily driver if you paid me.

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

That isn't dissimilar to the MG5 on the James & Kate KZread channel. James did a video over-view of one of his company's MG5's, which is used a mobile EV mechanics call out/service vehicle. This particular MG5 had covered 70k miles in just 18 months. The front tyres were changed at 41k miles, and James reckoned the brake discs and pads would see 100k miles. Despite numerous rapid charges, the battery showed 96% state of health. There had been just a single failure, and that was the latch on the charging flap in the front grille.....

@SLJ2776

8 ай бұрын

I know a community transport volunteer in Loughton, Essex who bought an wheelchair adapted Nissan E NV200 ex-taxi for £8k with 180k miles on the clock and it’s in viable use most days. When I say viable, at most a return trip to a hospital in Harlow, but that’s the requirement.

@Anonymous-ib8so

8 ай бұрын

Oobviously happy to waste your life at an EV charging station. Some of us have better things to do with our time

@theclotshotdidit3115

8 ай бұрын

Not worried about it catching fire, exploding and burning down your house while you sleep? After the cargo ships catching fire and sinking, the spate of electric scooters catching fire overnight killing families, think I will wait until they are safer, just like with the experimental mRNA gene therapy injections, will keep watching the excess deaths increase and keep waiting for them to finish the trials and see how safe it really is 😮

@thomasmahnken

8 ай бұрын

Well, at least you could have written this insanely smart comment on KZread while drinking coffee at a nice bakery while charging your car and leave it there - try this with an ice car ;-)

I was debating for months now if I should buy an electric car as my new drive. This video absolutely convinced me that it's time to go electric. Thank you! Tesla Model 3 ordered.

@wrutherfordx3x

3 ай бұрын

I did this time last year. Wouldn't go back.

@erin19030

3 ай бұрын

Fools!

@joshbridges8410

3 ай бұрын

You ordered the best model available right now 👍 340 miles real world at the moment.

@andylives5575

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps it would be worth your while to watch some of the ev owner’s videos to get their perspective before you commit to parting with your hard earned money. Furthermore, you also have to factor in the fact that this gentleman business is converting cars to electric. It is not in his best interests to say ev battery life is like a box of chocolates. His interests lie in stating that ev’s are the best thing since sliced bread.

@patrickoconnor5494

Ай бұрын

@@andylives5575 christ

Thanks for putting out the facts. I have a 5 year old Model 3 with 100,000 miles, and it's at about 95% of my original range. I've also paid a whopping $200 in maintenance costs (excluding new tires)... which was to replace the trunk (boot) latch. I still have the original brakes... and with regenerative braking I may never need to replace the brake pads. And with over the air updates, the car is literally better than when I bought it. I wouldn't even consider buying anything other than another Tesla.

@PetrolPed

7 ай бұрын

Right on!

@marvkwia3973

7 ай бұрын

I guess your one of the lucky ones but what about the ones that there's burned up and there house . Or just burned-out after floods in Florida. I bought a blower it lasted a few Yeats now it doesn't work cannot buy batteries for that model . Not all batteries are the same.

@dc14522

7 ай бұрын

@@marvkwia3973 Gas cars catch fire at a higher rate than EV's... you just don't hear about gas car fires because they're not news. Also, more manufacturers are moving to lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) which are nearly impossible to set on fire.

@aaronstock8544

7 ай бұрын

The combined cost savings on maintenance and charging adds up quickly, I am so happy with my M3 and will never buy ICE again.

@dc14522

7 ай бұрын

@@aaronstock8544 I sold my M3 to my son, and my wife and I both drive MY's. I agree with you... I wouldn't drive an ICE car even if you gave it to me for free.

So glad to see a proper petrol head like Ped busting these myths. The Fully Charged Show does the same, but they're usually preaching to the converted. Ped's audience is the one that really needs to be re-educated. (I'm a 72 year old life-long petrol head myself)

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Chap 👍

@barryphipps9442

8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Our 2019 Model 3P has absolutely minimal degradation, and has been basically perfect since day 1. I will NEVER EVER buy another ICE car. NOT EVER. Yes we look after it, only very rarely charge above 90% and mostly less than 80%. In four years, I have spent ZERO on maintaining it- (have rotated tyres and flushed the brake fluid myself- though even that was not really necessary as it still tested fine.)

As an electrical engineer with over 40 years industry experience, my main concern regarding EVs is the fact that the batteries experience thermal runaway, causing explosions, intense fires or both.

@PetrolPed

3 күн бұрын

Insert the word ‘can’ in that sentence 👍

Thank you for bringing balance into this debate I am a petrol head and was completely anti ev till I watched this. What a pleasure to listen to the views of a properly knowledgeable person. Wanna search for any videos of the conversations that this company is active with

@PetrolPed

7 ай бұрын

Thanks man. Great to hear 👍

@stevenwilkins3687

2 ай бұрын

So am I Dave! My last two cars, Audi S5 with a remap to 450 BHP, then a 21 plate Hyundai i30N. I am now a proud owner of a Tesla model 3 Performace. 480 BHP and 0-60 in 3.2. What more does a petrol head need? I spend about 2-3 quid charging every week and do around 100 miles. Trust me, give them a try before you judge them. Oh and Tesla build quality isn’t great, I’ll admit that but get a good warranty and they are good at replacing everything.

@soundslave

8 күн бұрын

There's never been a reason to be anti EV unless you got all your facts our of Jezza Clarksons arse

I took a BMW i3 as a company car back in January 2017 and over the following 4 years racked up 110K miles. Since its main use was a 160+ mile round trip commute, it was frequently getting charged from below 20% back up to 100% twice a day (overnight at home and at work) on an AC charger and I saw very little deterioration in range over that period of time. I did not rapid charge it very often, mainly because of the limited availability at the time.

@Hybridog

8 ай бұрын

Did it suffer any battery degradation over that four years?

@whocares264

8 ай бұрын

what are you driving now?

@MrFatknacker

8 ай бұрын

@@whocares264 - EQC 400 and (something for the weekend…) an AMG 35

@MrFatknacker

8 ай бұрын

@@Hybridog - hard to tell cos I tended to drive my commute (A14/M1) with the aim of having less than 10% left when I got there - so I never drove it with maximising mileage in mind…if you get my drift 🤔

@MrFatknacker

8 ай бұрын

@@mick6721 😀

Even without battery temperature management our 2013 Renault Zoe 22Kw got to nearly 100,000 miles and the battery loss was only 9% from new so not too bad either and although we have now sold it (2 years ago) its still going fine as I keep in touch with the new owners.

@BullyBoxer

8 ай бұрын

your publicly admitting to driving a Renault Zoe ??

@RobertDodge

8 ай бұрын

We had 2 but we dont any more lol @@BullyBoxer

@johnmcconville6055

8 ай бұрын

The Zoe had active air cooling in the battery.The Leaf had passive cooling and that caused the problems.

@humphreybradley3060

8 ай бұрын

Guess the fact the you can’t DC rapid charge the battery helps with longevity.

@johnmcconville6055

8 ай бұрын

@@humphreybradley3060 The Continental version of the motor in the Zoe could be charged at 43 KW on AC.The fans would work hard when that was happening.

Watched a few videos now with this guy from wales. He’s a legend with EV knowledge & what he can convert. This is the way forward for many.👍

great to have videos with the people that re-use second hand EV batteries! And fascinating to hear that the problem facing lithium battery recyclers is that the batteries are staying in use and so there are very few needing recycled!

I have the Tesla Model 3 SR+ 2021 made in china. That means it has the LFP battery. According to what I have read I should expect 1 million miles out of the battery. This means it will last me, at my currency utilization, approximately 100 years. My biggest concern is whether my great great grand children will be able to find a replacement that will fit the car in 2123. Keeps me up at night I can tell you!

@chrishar110

8 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@absolutium

3 күн бұрын

The batt would degrade even if it was parked 95% of the time.

Very fair review, there is a lot of rubbish spoken about EV’s. I’ve had my Tesla almost 4 years and 60k miles, I’ve lost 3 miles range in that time.

@tonygarlingewarren7456

8 ай бұрын

Give it a couple of years and it will drop considerably. You could always buy the £3000 Tesla software update to gain an extra 50 miles range of course.. yep £3k for a software patch.

@FullFact548

8 ай бұрын

​@tonygarlingewarren7456 Actually, the highest degradation occurs in the first 3 years then levels off.

@philhartley7551

8 ай бұрын

You know that for a fact do you? or is it just misguided opinion@@tonygarlingewarren7456

@Nick_Smith1970

8 ай бұрын

Genuine question from a fellow EV owner. How do you know you've lost 3 miles on max range, when my max varies by 60 miles depending how I drove that day? Some days my max is 310 miles, some days it's 250. All depends on what I've been doing. Town driving vs motorway etc.

@H1WEX

8 ай бұрын

@@Nick_Smith1970 I always charge to 80%, in the summer I used to get 231 miles range, now I get 228. Not scientific I know, but the point is it’s hardly lost anything.

The best advice I have heard in a long time and it applies to everything not just electric cars; "Don't listen to opinions, Listen to experience." Very well said! Thank you.

@PetrolPed

7 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

Absolutely brilliant.. We've just acquired a new Kia Niro EV for our son on his motability scheme. I'm now much more confident we made a good choice. Thanks guys.

@PetrolPed

4 ай бұрын

I have a Niro EV press car this week. Very good car 👍

My issue is the infrastructure - we are not allowed to charge an EV at home and there are no chargers within 5 miles (and they are also never working). As my wife is disabled we cannot ever have an EV, and it looks like this will be an issue in many flats/social housing as well

@Richard-el6li

8 ай бұрын

These things just take time. When combustion engines were new the only place to buy fuel was from a chemist

@patthewoodboy

8 ай бұрын

who is going to stop you charging your EV at home ?

@k.miller8917

8 ай бұрын

@@patthewoodboy no off road parking, multi occupancy properties & not enough voltage capacity/infrastructure in some larger urbanised areas. Some electricity supply companies can turn down applications for charger installations

@michaelgoode9555

8 ай бұрын

But that is not an EV problem, it is a landlord / infrastructure problem. Also, how do you know your local chargers are not working because you don't have an EV? I simply do not believe that you go and check them daily.

@maxtorque2277

8 ай бұрын

Simple question: How many miles do you drive a day (or a week)? In the Uk the average daily mileage is just 20 miles per day. A typical modern BEV with a battery of around 50kWH can easily do 200 miles, that means you would have to charge only every ten days! If you do less mileage than this, then there is an even longer gap between charges!

I am an old git but you're never too old to learn. Very intuitive and it has me thinking. Keep up the good work both you and moggy. 👍👍 a thumbs up each 😄

@philhartley7551

8 ай бұрын

Not sure how much of an "old git" you are lol but I bought my first EV at 63, best car I have had, 22,000 miles a year, sometimes 400+ a day, saved me a fortune!

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

Just sold my Leaf at 10 yers old and 55k miles. Lost about 15% of its capacity only. Was very reliable. Only real problem with it was that it never had much range when new so not much less 15% was hard to live with except for very local journeys. This won't be a problem for the current generation of EVs as they all come with bigger batteries.

@davidhodges1914

6 ай бұрын

I have a 2015 Leaf and a 2021 Ioniq5. The battery tech is worlds apart, not just in range/density but conditioning and longevity. Those first Gen Leafs are great value for money as second cars for two car families.

@layersoftheonion8168

3 ай бұрын

How much did you lose in value though on the vehicle?

@hoverbovver

3 ай бұрын

It lost about £1200 pa, which isn't bad. But with the limited mileage I did, it makes for about 50p per mile, which dwarfs the 3 p per mile electricity cost.

@hoverbovver

3 ай бұрын

It lost about £1200 pa, which isn't bad. But with the limited mileage I did, it makes for about 50p per mile, which dwarfs the 3 p per mile electricity cost.

Very good information but the big question is: where are we going to get enough lithium, cobalt, magnesium and copper to power the 3 billion cars on the planet, at current levels of mining it will take thousands of years.

@stephaneandhannahb1394

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention the slave labour, the horrifying levels of pollution to produce those batteries.

@kygladdish2554

2 ай бұрын

Did you miss the part about battery recycling ?? Also plenty more mobile phones and watches and laptops and many other rechargeable devices that no one seems worried about mining for

@PhilJohn1980

Ай бұрын

Plenty of lithium in sea water and making headway to cheap extraction, LiFePo don't use cobalt, cars already use a bunch of copper etc. etc.

@PhilJohn1980

Ай бұрын

@@stephaneandhannahb1394do you feel the same about the batteries in your phone and laptop?

@raygomez2000

9 күн бұрын

Agree. The real green solution is using our current cars for as long as we can and make laws that promote repairability and punish planned obsolescence. Maybe promote greener alternatives for combustion engines like Gas conversions. They were a big thing for awhile and now nobody talks about it. I guess its better to sell a 70K tesla than a 3k conversion kit that will ultimately be better for the environment and end up paying for itself with the reduced fuel costs

Lifelong petrolhead but now an EV convert. Dubious green issues aside, they are great as a daily driver, fast, smooth quiet. Still keep a classic ICE for weekends mind ;)

@ouethojlkjn

8 ай бұрын

I am a nailed on Jag fan and loved my Jaguars, but my Tesla is the best car I’ve owned. I am so disappointed that Jaguar have not gone down the EV route. Electing to have a third-party build a car with a jaguar badge, stuck on the front.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Totally agree 👍

@Oilymo

8 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn You're kidding right?? The iPace is 100% designed by Jaguar just assembled by Magna Steyr in Austria. As I understand it, Magna Steyr are building the Merc G Class, Jag iPace & EPace and some of the BMW 5 Series cars. These still belong to the respective marques. Having someone who specialises in build only is a natural progression of production engineering.

@lancenutter1067

8 ай бұрын

Same here! My 98th car was an EV and I love them so much more than gas cars… I have a 2017 Chevy Bolt with 250 miles range. Love love it. And yes l still have a few Petrol cars.

@FutureSystem738

8 ай бұрын

@@OilymoAre they even still making the iPace? 😂😂😂 It was supposed to be a “Tesla killer”. ROFLMAO It is not even remotely close, (which is reflected in sales). I test drove one extensively and it was a huge fail compared to my Tesla in so many areas that really matter.

You can charge an LFP battery to 100%. Due to the different chemistry they're not as energy dense but they can be charged to 100% without the fear of excessive degradation and don't suffer the same fire risks. LFP batteries are currently used in the smaller battery pack EV variants.

@khalidacosta7133

8 ай бұрын

LIFEPO4 is used only in China and a limited run in American Tesla.

@gregbailey45

8 ай бұрын

​@@khalidacosta7133due to recently expired patents. They will become the predominsnt battery chemistry for most 'normal' cars in the future.

@anthonylloyd8366

8 ай бұрын

@@khalidacosta7133all the rear wheel drive models are LFP both model 3 and Y which in the UK and Europe are all made in Shanghai.

@simonpritchard472

8 ай бұрын

MG4 standard range in UK, Tesla model 3 SR+ , others I forget (BYD?) @@khalidacosta7133

@MrAdopado

8 ай бұрын

@@khalidacosta7133 Every new Tesla RWD sold in the UK for the past couple of years has been LFP.

Great video! Next myth hunting, fire hazards in EVs.

Love the 'Lithium Battery Fire Blanket' in the background! Only kidding, interesting content, cheers.

Moggy always explains stuff so well and in an easy to understand way. Hopefully cleared up some myths as well

@coreybishop3768

8 ай бұрын

The guy has a vested interest in promoting EV's as his business is EV conversion of ICE cars. So clearly he is going to paint a rosy picture of everything EV.

@mikopaq

8 ай бұрын

No myths busted here, the mechanic confirmed that battery degradation is real over time and excess use. Most EV owners are clueless about car maintenance and abuse their vehicles, excessive charging use and overall carelessness.

@masonandmotors

8 ай бұрын

@@coreybishop3768 I don't think he painted a rosy picture, just told the truth. He agreed batteries do degrade but nowhere near as much as people think and he even agreed older cars will degrade more. The truth is if you're buying a modern EV you'll never likely have to replace the battery.

@EVinstructor

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@coreybishop3768 the 200,000 mile 90% degradation figure Moggy quoted is published and widely reported data from Tesla. It’s data from early Model S and Model X cars that had done over 200k miles. So old technology compared to current batteries. As a businessman selling expensive classic EV conversions with a high social media profile Moggy could lose a hard earned reputation if his statements weren’t based on fact.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Cheers Guys 👍

Had a Leaf from new for 4 years, done 80k miles in it and home charge to 100% most nights. Battery at 92% capacity using Leaf spy and has been for the last year. They seem to lose around 5% in the first year and then 1% each year after that. Im told it will plateau at around 90% for the next 100k miles then it's performance will start to drop off faster. But the useful life will be around 250k +. I can live with that as im saving £2500 a year on diesel after paying for the electricity. Its also a pleasure to drive with the smoothness of a Jaguar and id know cos ive owned 6 of them.

@severnsea

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, but I'd rather stick with the Jag.

@stevendavis7079

8 ай бұрын

@@severnsea With an unlimited supply of cash, so would I.

@davidcolin6519

8 ай бұрын

@@stevendavis7079 Yeah, a very dear friend mine used too own a long series of Jags.... fortunately he had a (nearly) unlimited supply of cash. They still managed to part him from a significant portion of that cash.

@rogerphelps9939

8 ай бұрын

Future Jags will be EVs anyway.@@severnsea

@severnsea

8 ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Won't make any difference to me.

Thank you for the information!! As a Volvo XC40 Recharge owner in the US I found this so interesting and powerful!!! Be well....

@PetrolPed

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, you too!

What a wonderfully comprehensive conversation!

@PetrolPed

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

Cracking video. So.. where I am now. Electric cars are fast, reliable and practical. The problem is the infrastructure. If only the UK had a proper Government that cared about things like that instead of lining their own pockets.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Indeed 👍

@chrishar110

8 ай бұрын

You can hear a British moaning from 5 miles away!!!! There are not perfect goverments anywhere in the world. I will vote you if you go for the next elections.

Brilliant video. Thank you for taking the time to do this. What a great knowledge Moggy has and he is able to explain things in understandable ways to the techno spanners (me). Will definitely go and search out his website now.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

Brilliant, I bought a second hand Kia Soul. My wife and I fight over who is driving. We only get 135 store even in the summer but that is no problem. Just about everywhere we want to go is well within range. We love going up hills, because we know the battery will recharge going down the other side! We learned that lesson when we were up the top of welsh mountain at 11o'clock at night, when the forecast said we only had 15 miles in the battery, yet the satnav said we had 22 to go. We arrived at the hotel with still 8 miles. Big, big, heave of relief! We charge using the granny and have no problems (although the garage said we would), timed for when our solar is good.

Spot on observations, our 2016 Tesla X P100 w/140k miles gets 249mi range vs 260mi when new- as predicted. Had many naysayers tell me it would die after 100k miles, battery would be shot, etc etc and so far, it’s been the best running, most reliable car we’ve ever owned. We have 2 Model X’s and no plans to ever part with them. Also own ICE vehicles so I’m no Tesla sellout- just pragmatic car owners.

Gained a lot of respect for you over these last couple ev videos. You are keeping an open mind, but also a healthy dose of ev skepticism. Combined with your own real use experiences and very honest open conversations with actual industry experts. Top shelf stuff imo. 👍🏻😎

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Wow thanks for this 🙏🏻 I try and bring a balance. Next Mondays video is about diesel engines 😜👍

@BombSponge

8 ай бұрын

Very biased conversation from an EV salesman. No mention of the massive losses in battery charge and range in hot and cold temperatures. EVs are terrible both hot and cold climates. It's a scam and there isn't enough power stations to run EVs for any nation.

@4literv6

8 ай бұрын

@@PetrolPed haha well imo we need more honest balanced journalism just like this, sprinkled with some dry whit. Seasoned with real world questions and a more mature perspective from actual real world ev user experience. I may not watch your ice stuff (owned 80+of those in 41 years) but I'll gladly watch all your ev content especially with that car nut moggy. 👍🏻😎

@johnh3095

8 ай бұрын

​@@PetrolPedlooking forward to this as I think the politicians jumped on the EV train too early! Buy the right engine for your trips, EVs for inner cities and semi local trips (until charging infrastructure catches up at least), petrol for the mid to long journeys - shorter commutes) and diesel for load lugging or high mileage users. I saw (couple weeks back) a 3 year old diesel Passat on AUTO TRADER coming up on 105k miles, a really good buy in my opinion. All motorway miles, the perfect engine for that sort of use. No EV is going to touch that on simplicity of use, not yet anyway! No mention on how the newer iron phosphate batteries should be / actually like being fully charged regularly (unlike Lithium ion). One for another vieod

@MarcinLuszczyszyn

8 ай бұрын

@@BombSponge I guess Mercedes Volvo and VW don't have as smart people as you and can't see "the scam" when they announce making only EVs in few years.

As a little bonus, What is not mentioned is after your 200,000 mile, you may have lost 10% of your range but you still have ALL of your performance. I wonder how many ICE cars can say that.

@theoracleprodigy

7 ай бұрын

How many electric cars still will be running in 16 + years in harsh climates. I think that's the question everyone's asking. My 07 4 runner will still be running another 10 years down the road. It's very low miles.

@EV3NTH888

7 ай бұрын

​@@theoracleprodigyI went to school in the 90s, we had woodworking equipment that was running on the same motors that they used in the 60s from the Soviet era. electric motors are way more reliable that internal combustion motors. as far as batteries go, prices for them are constantly going down, it's a made up problem by the luddites for the luddites.

@theoracleprodigy

7 ай бұрын

@@EV3NTH888 I have no doubt electric will be great once we sort out batteries. I just doubt our current battery technology. Especially when living in a place that sometimes has a month of -30 degree weather. At that point even our regular batteries don't seem to work well.

@EV3NTH888

7 ай бұрын

@@theoracleprodigy I watched a video from a guy who drives a Rivian in Alaska, it's a 20 percent decrease in range with the current technology. hardly an issue.

@theoracleprodigy

7 ай бұрын

@@EV3NTH888 20 percent decrease in range, 10 years last total... for a $45k+ vehicle is not acceptable.

The biggest problem with the battery being expensive is that the car will also be old and not very valuable so no one will do it. The car will go to the wreckers.

This video is a breath of fresh air compared to the endless number of those floating around the web spouting gloom and doom. Very thorough. Not a lot of detail or experience with extreme temperatures (ie freezing cold), but a giant step forward in spreading truth rather than fiction. Thank you. I’m sending links to glass half empty friends.

@PetrolPed

5 ай бұрын

Thanks bud. Share away 👍

I have and know many people with electric cars. No-one moans about batteries (degradation) except perhaps charge speeds at rapid/ultra chargers (over 50kw/h), but that's because the software is looking after the battery. If they moan about anything it's usually the software on the infotainment or the need to override the lane-assist (NCAP related) which usually isn't fit for purpose for many British roads. That'd be the same for modern petrol cars.

Love your perspective. Im a total petrohead, love the sound of a cross plane crank or 3 rotor engine. I also love electricity too. Id rather use a 3ph pressure washer than deal with a diesel driven pump. Same with yard tools and power tools, rather use ego 56v yard tools than small gas. My cheap model 3 fits the bill for commuting and convenience. Diversity works for financial portfolio and I think it applies to cars too, 3x f150 seems as stupid and 3x teslas. Americans are lucky to be able to afford multiple cars tho. Appreciate gearheads like you being openinded.

Info that may help someone. My wife owns Nissan Leaf 2016, 30kWh and 250.000km (156.000mi). SOH of the battery fell to 58%, range about 80km (50mi), in sub zero temperature it doesn't work at all. This car battery was abused, charged mostly on quick chargers, overheated randomly since it was a test vehicle for charging stations repairs and testing. Dealer wanted over 30,000€ for a new battery so I bought it cheaply. I guess, it would easily do 300,000 miles if used properly. I'm replacing the cells with slightly used ones from VW ID4, all materials will cost me about 2,500€. Maybe I'll use the leftover cells for home storage. Nissan Leafs are good for commuting to work and home, not meant for long travels. Batteries would be good, but they lack thermal management. This video is very informative and a must watch for every EV owner.

The maintenance on our PHEV Mitsubishi Outlander requires a battery optimization every 25 000km. They asses the battery and they reprogram it, maybe to avoid draining it too low and charging it too much. When we plug it in at home we dont program anything , the battery management does it itself. We do that and after 6 years we see a bit of degradation but not that much. We prefer hybrid, no hassle on long trips and we avoid charging on the go. The public is still waiting to see what long term use and value of electric cars will be, at least the electric cars sales are still going. Thanks for this educational video.

That was the first information I have seen about batteries where someone actually knew what they were talking about. So informative and valuable. Really appreciate the effort than you. Totally changed my opinion about electric cars. Right though about electric motors, I was a maintenance a reliably chartered engineer in in the oil industry for over 40 years, loved the maintenance free electric motors and hated reciprocating drivers.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Great to hear. Thanks 🙏🏻

@andyrbush

8 ай бұрын

OK I will thanks.@@petemiller519

@Anonymous-ib8so

8 ай бұрын

Might not becthectruth though. He sells EVs so how objective and truthful is he?

@andyrbush

8 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-ib8so Do you always call people liars without justification? That said if you were technically minded you could have known he was being objective and truthful.

@thomasmahnken

8 ай бұрын

@Anonymous-ib8so Do you need someone who‘‘s never set foot in an ev to believe him or is any ev-hater a valid enough source?

Pedro, this video was Goldilocks! Great to have straight talk from credible experts. Shout out to Moggy and crew. Really miss Vintage Voltage, have cycled through both seasons a couple times.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻

@humbleindian6303

3 ай бұрын

EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years

I like the way you manage to dumb it down , no technical data , no studies references, keep it simple and select your audience.

@PetrolPed

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

@gregbennet5560

6 ай бұрын

​@@PetrolPedI admire your generosity.

@kevinwalton4538

3 ай бұрын

You mean for the hard of thinking?

@restfulplace3273

2 ай бұрын

lol. Op wasn’t paying a compliment.

I'm driving a 2nd hand 2015 Volvo V60 PHEV D6 since 5 years with 140.000 miles on the clock. When I bought the car it was on 90K miles and the battery was on 96%. The majority of the 50K I drove the car were short distances from which almost all fully electric. And now after 5 years I still have about 90% battery-capacity. So I can confirm that these guys are right with what they are claiming.

Some people say they will never buy an EV and then repeat the anti EV myths. The honest ones say "I cannot afford one".

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Good point 👍

@nothing0062

8 ай бұрын

I could afford one, but I have no interest in buying one.

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

@@nothing0062 in which case it seemed a rather pointless post.......

Another great video, as always Moggy is able to use simple comparisons between ‘combustion engine’ terminology and how that equates to the electric world. The interaction and banter between the two of you, is always fun to watch. Keep up the good work - both of you.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@Anonymous-ib8so

8 ай бұрын

But is it thectruth?

@WhiteLivesMatterPL

7 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-ib8so Nope. It's a cope. EVs suck hard.

@humbleindian6303

3 ай бұрын

EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years

Excellent video. Many people miss the entire point of EV's which is that it's a cleaner energy which makes a massive difference to our carbon footprint. Forget hydrogen, it ain't the future. Once the EV infrastructure is set up (and it's improving daily) then fuel deliveries to forecourts will be a thing of the past. Remember the Zeppelin? That was the future at one time. Went well didn't it? Do we seriously believe we're going to ditch the EV infrastructure after it's cost us billions to set up and opt for a hydrogen network. It's explosive and expensive to produce which rather defeats the object. Electric on the other hand can be sourced from renewables.

So they've got to keep their batteries warm in winter too... oh yeah that sounds really environmentally friendly! Heating the car all the way through winter even when it's not in use.

Very well explained totally agree with everything he’s said, I’ve just passed my level 3 in IMI EV maintenance just to add you can change the cells individually to take your battery back up to 100 percent More cost effective than changing the whole batter, EVs are great it’s the infrastructure that needs to catch up

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

Cleveleys in Gloucestershire, have been carrying out battery refurbishments for years.......

@marumaru6084

8 ай бұрын

They are not green nor is changing the infrastructure.

Brilliant, thank you. I'll be sharing this about. When I was considering a new car at the beginning of 2023, I came across your channel & it really helped in the decision-making process. Your critical but balanced view was extremely helpful. In June, took delivery of a BMW iX1 (I am or rather was a Brit -thank you, Brexit - and I do live in Bavaria). I hadn't even sat in any EV before the showroom handover. Now you couldn't get me to even consider an ICE again, although at 69, I don't expect to need to buy another car again. Yes, expensive, and I had to make compromises (towing weight), but the driving pleasure now in 2023, is even greater than when I got my first used £300, 6 Volt VW Beetle based, Beach Buggy in 1972. One of the nicer explanations of the 0-100% charging issues was comparing it to a multi-storey car park at a shopping centre: early on Saturday morning you drive in and straight into a bay, as morning progresses you need to search about & by 11am you are spending ages driving around to find a slot. That's the process that happens when you charge - ions find their way easily to start with and then increasingly have to slow down to dock into a cell. And for the battery degradation, it's like a well poured, unfiltered Bavarian wheat beer: the Battery with its gross/net capacity is the same as the large foam head and the last centimetre at the bottom of the glass with the yeast that you don't drink - and this is where the degradation largely takes place, especially in the first 5-10 years, not in the main body. Greetings to Sussex - I last lived near Petworth, so nice to watch some of your reviews just for the scenery!

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

That would be great. Thanks 🙏🏻

Wow, Moggy needs to release a series of educational videos. One of the clearest and most relatable explanations of commonly misunderstood topics relating to EV batteries. As a bonus he's good looking and has a wiked sense of humour too.🤣

Lot of people think battery and EV related technology are the same level as 12 years ago, they couldn't be further from the truth, the EV industry is teaching the old legacy OEM's a lesson in development and a manufacturing lesson most will not recover from

I had no idea these batteries are 100% recyclable, this is great to hear. Only driving 6K per year it would make sense for me to get a battery car but I'm still not feeling confident enough with the infrastructure but I am sure I will have to make the move in the coming years. Great video and love Moggy's passion.

@FullFact548

8 ай бұрын

About 96% recyclable but still one hell of a lot. What's more, the reclaimed minerals are of a high enough quality to be used again to make more batteries. 👍

@michaelatkinson7577

8 ай бұрын

Just goes to show that we all get our own personal stream of information. There has been loads of stuff out there (inc. here on YT) for a couple of years now explaining and even showing the process of recycling (often repurposing EV cells for electricity storage) or repairing and reusing. The media doesn't seem to want to make such a big deal of this - but then it probably isn't clickworthy enough.....

@bluenose-qj2is

8 ай бұрын

​@@michaelatkinson7577not recycled to big

@FullFact548

8 ай бұрын

@michaelatkinson7577 Spot on, Michael. Batteries have a much longer useful life span than most people think. Personally, I believe many of these stories are deliberately started in an attempt to undermine the EV industry. I recently learned that oil companies like Shell and ExxonMobil have allegedly spent $60 million on social media influencing since 2017. There was also a report by "eminent scientists and experts" that challenged climate science and argued that net zero targets should be toned down. The report was a complete fabrication and commissioned by a US 'think tank' with affiliations to ExxonMobil and other polluting industries.

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

@@FullFact548 Indeed. And batteries not recycled can be used by the energy industry, usually in commercial, industrial or domestic applications. There is a large sports stadium in Utrecht in Holland, powered by 200 old Nissan Leaf batteries, charged via solar. There is also a large wind farm in South Wales, which uses many ex BMW i3 batteries for energy storage. There is virtually endless scope and potential for older EV batteries.......They may no longer be viable for car use, but still have plenty of life for alternative uses.

Probably should have read the Tesla warranty - the battery will be replaced if it falls below 70%. The company specifies its batteries will retain at least 70 percent of their original capacity (also known as 30 percent degradation) during the warranty period (typically 8 years). Moreover, it is more or less normal to suffer 5% degradation in the first year of normal use and thereafter it can vary due to a number of factors. By the way for a model Y the EPA rating is 212 miles which is only 340 km. In other words as long as the vehicle, which is rated by Tesla at 303 miles, can do 212 miles its covered. Now place that vehicle in a hot climate or a cold climate and you'll find the 212 miles drops further. I can tell you from personal experience of a model 3 in both a hot and cold country, by using aircon you can severely impact performance by as much as 30% e.g. in the case of the model Y (with degrade battery), you might be down to a range of 150 miles or 240km. In my case I can tell you in northern Sweden I could barely get 200 miles when new, let alone with a degraded battery (I moved it on in less than a year). Honesty is important in these discussions and your mate has a clear conflict of interest.

@larryflor1696

8 ай бұрын

I live in central Wisconsin, USA and see the same wintertime issues here, namely severe range issues for basically 1/2 the year. Coupled with basically no towing capacity for contractors towing trailers. I'm not totally down on EV's for southern climes, puttin' around town, but no one ever talks about their real limitations. And we haven't even discussed lack of charging stations and not even inability of the grid to produce all this electricity, with fossil fuels or nuclear, let alone renewables. Wind and solar will not for the foreseeable future will not supply the grid, without severe long term pollution results. I always like to ask EV owners how they like their nuclear and coal powered cars. The look on their faces is priceless.

@bobbyalexander

8 ай бұрын

@@larryflor1696 Americans like to believe that the world doesnt exist outside their little bubble. Here in Australia most homes have solar. Since I bought my model 3, I have been essentially running it off solar. Same for most people I know. Even if you were running it off coal powered electricity, that is more resource efficient than the equivalent petrol/diesel that is shipped to the servo and then burnt in your car.

Addressed nearly every question/concern that I’ve had. Thank you!

Thanks from a Canadian viewer. Excellent, unbiased information. Appreciate you simplifying things for me.

@vincestilla

7 ай бұрын

Unbiased was my call...perhaps "experienced user" is a better term. I'll bet many who shoot down electric cars like Tesla haters have never experienced driving one.

@PetrolPed

7 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I like to explain EV reliability by comparing it to vacuum cleaner or refrigerator reliability. Even my lawn mower is electric, starts every time without fail, and never serviced. Batteries and battery management were a let down, but most makes of vehicles have brought up the reliability tremendously.

@nilsoncastello4128

7 ай бұрын

If car makers would make a battery pattern size like an AA or AAA battery that you could easily swap when its worn out by a new one and recycle the old, they could improve on the tech and make the battery even better when time comes to change. that would make ev a lot more appealing@

@davidanderson7138

7 ай бұрын

Fridge with a battery?

@ericaulbach

2 ай бұрын

Had a Ryobi electric lawn mower and it died after 5 lawns. 😂

As an electrican with limited understanding of EV capability AND now a new owner of an EQC, this is a really great, simple explanation of battery capabilities. The main takeaway being, every person that has given me their opinion on EV ownership and batteries, doesn't own an EV! Yes, things go wrong and I've got a warranty, but the data coming back now shows that for daily commuting, EVs can work... and work well. Great video.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

@martina5328

6 ай бұрын

Good luck when the warranty runs out (and good luck selling your car then, for any money to talk about, i.e. second hand value), unless you have a car with battery swap, i.e. a NIO.

@legonut78

6 ай бұрын

@@martina5328What are you rambling about grandpa? Resale on his EV is phenomenal. Look them up. This isn’t magic; stop with the fake news fud. Have you tried an EV? You must own stock in swappable batteries. The batteries last longer than the ICE vehicles ever would. Watch the video you are commenting on. Ffs.

Great video guys. No nonsense expert advice. That's exactly what we need. Keep up the good work.

@PetrolPed

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! 👍

Well done, mate. It would be interesting to watch this video in 20 years time and see what has happened to the myths.

We have a second hand BMW i3 with over 100,000km and nearly 10 years old. Recent battery test showed 97% of new capacity. A good battery management and cooling system makes all the difference :)

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Great to hear 👍

@Jamie-Z

8 ай бұрын

Very nice but you are only talking about 10 years. That does not make a serious challenger for a fuel car.

@chriskennedy7534

8 ай бұрын

BMW'S Are known for quality

@adampoll4977

8 ай бұрын

@@Jamie-Z Ever watched Top Gear do dyno tests on old petrol sports cars to see how much power and efficiency they had lost? And that was a show CELEBRATING "fuel" cars. Keep up.

@chriskennedy7534

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jamie-ZTrue, and 10 yrs to clock up 100,000 km is a gentle life

Great video. A Chevy Bolt in Quebec Canada has over 430,000 kms -- 267,000 miles -- on the original, non-recall battery, and he says it only has about 4-5% degradation. The Bolt has battery, motor, and electronics cooling. The battery also uses the a/c system to cool it when overly warm from driving or charging. I don't charge my 2023 Bolt euv over 90% (which shows as a real 88%), as the math shows that GM didn't program in a top or bottom buffer into the battery. Even on level-3 charging -- which I don't do often as I don't need to -- my Bolt's charging rate slows after 50%, and drastically after 80%, no matter how much the charger can put out. Anyone I've talked to who has an EV, and researched them before buying, loves them: including myself. After I bought my Bolt I realized I had stopped driving my ICE cars, and sold them: a 1990 Volvo 240DL wagon, an '84 Benz 240d, and an '04 VW Jetta tdi wagon.

Yes, brilliant of you all engineers and experts on batteries, a million thanks. You folks have calmed the innocent down, someone like me. Thank you again!

Theses guys are very good at what they do. They are the guys who converted the VW Karmann Ghia that I sold to a chap from Derry NI Whilst it was technically a brilliant achievement … I cried that they did it to a car I had owned for 19 years which was in perfect condition with a “new” refurbished engine. A beautiful historical classic which was destroyed by the conversion. You can argue against this, but cars are subjective, not objective things to own and cherish.

Great video, Pedro. You and Moggy have a great rapport. 😊 One thing Moggy forgot to mention, though, is the difference between gross battery capacity and useable battery capacity. Most EVs have batteries with built-in top and bottom buffers to protect the battery from ever being 100% full or 100% empty. Another reason degradation is now so low. For example, the Tesla Model 3 long-range has a gross capacity of 82kWh, but the useable capacity is 75kWh.

@israndy

8 ай бұрын

They did mention it, compared it to gas tanks that still have miles to go when they hit empty. Don't think any have top buffers, but they all have bottom reserve capacity of various sizes. Some Teslas have limits put on capacity, so a 70kWh battery that you can only use 60kWhs of may be considered a top buffer, but it's just a way to sell a cheaper car that the owner may some day decide to unlock for additional monies.

@machinehead6892

8 ай бұрын

Where the fuck were you during the part of the video where he talked about that ! not to bright huh?

@theodavies8754

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this. Keeping it real is the way forward. I have a 23 year old Jaguar with 50k miles on which for some has the wrong shape key but no rust. Equivalent EVs still have the wrong shape price tag for my use but £40k was right for someone in 1999. I paid £3k for it 5 years ago and haven't worried about the shape of the key. Learning how to minimise degradation is best practice. Low maintenance could get lost in translation as no maintenance. If people hog the battery packs to run houses on the cheap, where are the realistically affordable battery packs for cars supposed to come from?

@wolfgangpreier9160

8 ай бұрын

@@israndy"Don't think any have top buffers," No, some have a reverse top buffer, if you fill them to the brim and a bit more you suffocate the emission vapor canister, produce a hydrolock and the car is dead.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Good point!

It may be coming but I have to say I will be sticking to the ICE for as long as possible, although at my age a quality ICE or EV may well outlast me. I did 235,000 miles in my vivaro van before selling it to an old colleague who, instead of using it for bits for one of his vans actually continued to use mine. The only other issue for me is that I would like to do up a van for touring, which would have leisure batteries for general use, likely charged by the alternator rather than PV (although may have some PV too). If it was an electric van I would either need to carry a generator and some fuel or I would need to recharge as I travel, which in some locations may not be an option. As an electrical engineer I can confirm that the degradation of the batteries is about right, we generally request no more than 10% loss over a ten year period for UPS systems in the data centre design. There is only the one major drawback for EV cars and that is infrastructure, a place to charge if you live in flats etc where there may not be sufficient access to your own charger. Perhaps we will achieve levitation too so that they can be charged from your balcony 😂

@tonytony978

8 ай бұрын

I stick to beaters, pay for car 500-1000 euro drive few years then scarp it and get another one. Works best for me. I dont see how its saving money to pay 50000+ euro for EV and goverments will tax them its just a matter of time. Also probably insurance gonna be very high on those since whos gonna cover batreries in case of crash? EV is ok as second car and most who has EV have it as second car + owning house. Young people in rented place will be forced to walk once ban on ICE cars happens..

Excellent video. This should be a public information film. The "talk to people with experience rather than opinions" thing applies to life in general but we tend to seek confirmation rather than illumination - a cause of so much that is wrong these days.

@PetrolPed

5 ай бұрын

Thank You 🙏🏻

@manuelgoncalves3976

5 ай бұрын

I bought a Nissan Leaf through my company Salary Sacrifice. Enjoyed the car immensely, and therefore decided to purchase the car after the Lease Period I have now had the car for almost 5 years (98800 miles) and out of nowhere an alarm appeared on the dash, warning of Battery EV Fault, and that the car would shut down, which is exactly what it did in the middle of traffic. This occurred roughly 6 months ago. I had the Breakdown service help me, but the Engineer ran a diagnostic test on the car and found some errors, and then unplugged the 12V Battery. Ran the tests and the car came up with no errors, and the car started again. I decided to not to chance anything and therefore decided to contact the Nissan Dealer to investigate the issue on the vehicle. They found no issues on the car after running a diagnostic test, and therefore decided to service the car and replace the 12V Battery costing me in region of £350. 2 weeks later the same thing happened again. I got the car to the garage, of which they couldn't find the problem, but the car started again. I decided to contact NISSAN GB, and warned both Nissan Dealer and Nissan GB that this very dangerous and felt that the car should be recalled. 2 Weeks later and again, the car breaks down in the middle of traffic. Again Nissan, couldn't find the issue. I opened a case with Nissan GB reporting of the problem, who they they communicated further with the dealer who I took the car to. The Nissan Dealer then advised me that they seeked advice from their Master Tech, who stated it could be a problem with one or 2 of the cells in the Lithium Battery, but it would cost £750 to run a test, and if it it is a cell that is damaged and needs replacing will cost in region of £3500 per cell to replace! To make things worse the Nissan Dealer has stated that they will not fix the issue as the potential damage does not fall under the 5 Yr/100000mile Warranty. They have mentioned that the fine print is that NISSAN will only replace the battery if it has degraded more than 10% within this period? I believe the car is now 100% degraded which they are arguing against. NISSAN GB on the other hand have now closed the case. I have tried to contact them on why they have close the case, Their explanation is that the battery cannot be fixed under the warranty and have gone with the advice of the NISSAN Dealer that I would need to tow the car to their Master Tech at my own expense and get the reparations done at my own account. The car is still at the Nissan Dealer waiting for me to make a decision. I am lost on what options I have, and would like to seek advice on where to go from here. It is very important people understand that buying an electric car is not as reliable as what people may think. The technology is very new, and a warning to those considering buying a used EV!

had to watch it twice for the good info, I was enjoying the chemistry between these two guys too much!!

@PetrolPed

Ай бұрын

Great to hear. Thanks 🙏🏻

Another excellent video Pedro! Now it all makes a lot more sense. I love the way Moggy explains everything so well and the fact that he has a passion for classic cars and is converting them to EV speaks volumes, he wouldn't do it if it didn't work long term and the maths didn't stack up. I've not been a huge EV fan up to now but that video has increased my faith quite a bit. Also, if eventually it's difficult to run an ICE vehicle due to lack of fuel supply I can always convert my Honda powered Rally Landcrab I'm currently building to electric to keep it going.

My wifes Smart ForFour EQ will be 4 years old in September, it has currently done 22k. As we have recently purchased it I had a battery condition report done by Mercedes for peace of mind. The print out showed it still has 96% of its original battery capacity and all individual cells were in top condition. I would recommend that any purchaser of a used EV car insists on a battery condition report at time of purchase.

@vacoas04

8 ай бұрын

4 months ago 5 year old Merc EV. Dealer priced 8t at 5k for trade in but didn't want it as it would need a new battery pack according to their workshop check. 13k for a new pack making a used 5 year old Merc at 11k cost 18k . Fact!

@scaryfakevirus

8 ай бұрын

Try selling it. No one wants them. They are horrendously not eco friendly.

@tobycolin6271

8 ай бұрын

@@scaryfakevirus 100 miles a week it’ll be 30 to 40 years old before it pays its carbon debt.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Nice 👌

@liuwang2201

8 ай бұрын

10 Years + $20,000 = 2000LBS. of e-waste 🤡per car

Thank You Guys! Of course, I knew all of that -- but Moggy is so "down to Earth" kind of Guy! Make me feel more sure of myself. Thanks!

Highly informative, tells it straight, no technical jargon, thanks Moggy

@PetrolPed

Ай бұрын

👍

Great video! Super happy I found your channel! We are on our 2nd EV...first one was a 2023 Kona EV - we put 48,000km on it in 10 months! Fantastic car...we now have an Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate trim and it is a lovely car! I am a car guy and love to drive and still have a couple of classics and a Toyota RAV4....they barely get driven! The EV gets all the attention! Yes I struggle with discussions with people who have opinions on EV's but 0 experience. In any case we will never buy another ICE vehicle....the EV gets the win! Cheers Mike

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

Dave Takes It On, Electric Vehicle Man and Fully Charged are also well worth a look too Michael......

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Welcome 👍

BYD requires LFP batteries to be charged to 100% every six months documented in the service manual as regular maintenance. Edit: ...in order to recalibrate the BMS.

@FullFact548

8 ай бұрын

You can safely charge an LFP battery to100% all the time if you wish.

@MrAdopado

8 ай бұрын

@@FullFact548 LFP are more resistant to degradation and can tolerate frequent 100% charging. However there remains some advantage to charging within the 20-80% in between times. Maybe you want the pack to last 25 years! The 100% charging approach is to help the BMS keep track of true capacity.

@FullFact548

8 ай бұрын

@MrAdopado I don't believe that to be the case for LFP batteries as it is for NMC or NCA batteries. It's not just that the battery chemistry is more stable but also tolerates far more charge cycles, which extends their longevity considerably. Some people suggest fully charging and discharging NMC/NCA batteries once or twice a year to balance the cell voltages, but I am unaware of that being necessary for LFP batteries. However, I am not a battery chemist, so I could be wrong. 25 years of normal driving should be easily possible, if not longer.

Great video and really really helpful. I sat through the whole thing. Very interesting. I also now know what Damon Albarn does when he’s not with Blur or Gorillaz 😂👌🔥

@PetrolPed

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Interesting! Charging problems keep me away from the EVs. Hybrid is probably best solution for the time being.

Excellent piece. I love the concept of don't listen to opinion, listen to experience. Says it all

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏻

After dealing with industrial machines id think the inverters/electronics are more likely to have a shorter lifespan than the battery packs themselves

@Harrythehun

8 ай бұрын

Correct, I’m involved in sun power and wind energy farms. The small electronics is a “liability” and most probably will break down within 15-20 years, but also easily repaired at quite low cost than the big expensive components.

@rogerphelps9939

8 ай бұрын

Electronics has a mean time between failures of 100,000 hours or so. That is around 100,000 times 40 equals 4 million miles. If a car does 200,000 miles through its life that is actualy only 5000 hours of operation.

@user-super-user

8 ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 100,000 hours is 12 years and thats the average time, some will last more and others less Its hard to actually say how long they will actually last because they are always on, the most likely part to fail electronic wise is the battery controllers

@rogerphelps9939

8 ай бұрын

No. The average car gets something like 250 hours of use per annum (10,000 miles at 40 mph). You do not count the time that it is switched of. Granted some bits are always on but they are a small part of the whole and very low power. 100,000 hours is equivalent to 400 years.@@user-super-user

@user-super-user

8 ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 we are talking electric cars here... you cant 100% turn them off so they are always drawing some power as some circuits are always running

That Fireman's Hose analogy is excellent. So easy to understand.

Great vid. Own a bolt from Jan 6th 2017. Only had 7% loss from 130k miles before warranty battery from the recall for fires. I believe the first 4-5 % was first year in 30k miles, so it slows way down. Also I have my car timed to be a full charge 1hr before I leave for work. It is never fully charged for long periods of time. If i didnt need the whole battery, or most of it , I would only charge to 80%. Those 2 items also help for a long battery life.

@humbleindian6303

3 ай бұрын

EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years

Excellent video. With Moggy's experience and style of presentation and the rapport you have I could have enjoyed a longer video. The click bait brigade need to see this, but... Well done. More like this, every couple of months ??

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great vid Pete !! It’s nice to get a real expert like Moggy’s opinion on charging / batteries etc. 👍🏻🇨🇦

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great video with a great tone. Thanks Moggy for charismatic answers.

Enjoyed the video My went up £155,I used Flow now rebranded Alianz,best quote.For go compare,what a rip off,wouldn't use them.wendy.

The team over at Electric Classic Cars are brilliant! Thank you for making the time and effort to produce this video.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@sahhull

8 ай бұрын

Of course he will bestow the electric car with praise. Its in his best interest to do so. You might as well ask a barman to give you the health benefits of beer

@zaneta3880

8 ай бұрын

​@@sahhull😂😂😂😂💯👏👏👏

@markreed9853

8 ай бұрын

@@sahhull He makes kits to convert classic cars to be shipped all over the world, if they didn't work as expected his business would not be thriving like it is! - I think he's said before if you want him to convert a classic now he has a 2 year waiting list to even get it in! - also he was and is a massive petrol head as well.

@sahhull

8 ай бұрын

@@markreed9853 an EV working as expected... So too short a range to be useful and too long to recharge.

Brilliant! There is a ton of anti-EV nonsense on KZread and other media right now which needs challenging and correcting. As the man says 'talk to people who have experience of owning an EV'.

@PetrolPed

8 ай бұрын

Exactly 👍

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

Indeed, we need to bring about/cultivate a situation where potentially dubious EV advice or claims are confronted or questioned. A sort of - " do you actually have/own/ use an EV?" If the answer comes back as no, then it ought to be met with a hearty bugger off.

I loved driving my Tesla but all this talk of degradation, the depreciation I suffered, plus the small but significant risk of damage leading to catastrophic failure means I'll wait a while longer for my next one.

Very informative video, thank you. My first EV was a 10 year old Peugeot Ion and its battery was degraded to 70% of its original capacity. In town use you could get max 60 miles in summer and half that in winter, or less if you really caned the heater. Needless to say I always charged it to 100%! I now have a new e-Up with 32kWh battery. I still charge it to 100% because the winter range is only 110 miles and I find charging is a faff (wet dirty cable in the dark, ugh) and b) it's a lease car so it's someone else's problem when I'm done with it. In reality it will be the third or fourth owner at 8 to 10 years old who might find it's slightly more degraded than one that's been lovingly wrapped in cotton wool and kept between 20 and 80% all its life. But by the sound of this video we're talking a few percentage points not double digits degradation... so who cares.