Would you rather ride the Santa Cruz 5010 or Tallboy?! This was the main question on my mind while riding the 5010...

@Happy_Biker

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the 5010

@abassi1173

3 жыл бұрын

Def 5010

@flyingtiger4991

3 жыл бұрын

tallboy with a 27.5 rear ... ... ... haha !

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah 5010 , the TB is too heavy and it’s ok at climbing but it’s not great , kinda sluggish I think , it’s good descending though but So is the 5010 !! 🤣🤣

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Nomad is better than both .. here’s why .... the Nomad is definitely better at descending than both the TB and 5010 and at climbing it’s only just a bit worse but the Nomad is still a good trail bike ... so it just comes down to how much effort you’re willing to put in climbing and if you can sacrifice a bit of effort peddling then the nomad is the best choice 👍🏾😋

Bought and built up the new 5010 this winter. I have nothing but good things to say about it. A great all around bike for riders who place fun over anything else and just want one bike to go ride anything.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more! This bike can take you anywhere and likely never be out-gunned! And a lot of fun along the way!

You crushed those jumps on Barrel! I rode it and Zen for the first time yesterday. Keep up the great content!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, glad you got a chance to ride those trails. They're a lot of fun and the 5010 is the perfect application for Barrel trail.

Nice review as always. Cool seeing the flat pedals!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

haha yeah, I try and ride flats so I don't loose it

I had asked you about the sb115 before I asked about this on the other video. I bought a sb115 that was “new” arrived pretty well used. Did ride like a dream but I couldn’t get over paying new bike prices for a used bike. Grabbed a 5010 on a SWEET deal before the recent increase as I’d had the v3 2019 model.... and wow! This thing is amazing

Great review, your original 5010 V2 review helped me a lot in deciding to get that bike back in 2016. I just recently retired that bike a couple weeks ago, and picked up the new 5010 V4. This style of bike feels like the sweet spot for me on my local trails. Such an awesome fun bike, this new 5010 feels so much more confidence inspiring and composed on the downhills, and climbs very well on the technical rocks and roots here on the east coast, where I feel like the 27.5 wheel size accelerates with just a little more snap and is quicker to change direction than the 29ers on twisty techy climbs. Great channel and reviews keep it up!

@mtbcyclist

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for these comments. I have a Gen 1 5010 and love it, but and ride mostly fairly flat stuff but go to the mountains on occasion. Like your comments on the "confidence inspiring" as my current 5010 gets out of its element in the mountains on the tech fast descents and is a bit much to handle. Do you notice the difference in weight at all? My current 5010 comes in a bit over 27 lbs, and the new ones are just over 31 lbs.

@mikegay1845

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbcyclist Yes I did notice the slight weight difference and geometry changes during climbing to be honest. My V2 was around 27lb as well and I'd consider it a phenomenal climber as long as the front of the bike was weighted properly. It's a tradeoff... the V4 is heavier/longer/slacker which is a little more work to climb with, but the body position on the V4 is awesome and front wheel washouts/lifts aren't a worry anymore. The V4 felt so great all-around, and so much more solid when pointed downhill, that I pretty much forget about the differences in climbing. In my opinion both are still excellent climbers in their category of bike.

@currentsupply

3 жыл бұрын

I have the 2016 blue 5010C . It is awesome. I have the lowest build I believe though. I'm pretty fast on it in the downhills and the climbs. But I can't help but wonder what a longer travel bike would do for me on the rock garden sections. I never actually wish for more rear travel. The 5010 is great. I think maybe a better front shock would have a big difference. But I look at shock prices and I think about just selling my bike and buying new with a better shock and new everything..... Love Santa Cruz

I am so excited to be the bystander at 9:16! Appreciate the jumping & speed tips on the trail!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Cliff!! Nice to meet you! Maybe I make it up your way this summer and ride Wow Trail... still never ridden in Midway

@RU2AIM

3 жыл бұрын

How much did he pay you to be an "Extra" - lol I stumbled upon Emilio Estevez filming a movie in my hometown and was fascinated by watching it being made. I noticed a lady standing near me who seemed really into it, and thinking her to be also a local I said, "Now *_that_* would be fun", to which she replied, "What, being an actor?" and I said, "No, just an Extra and to be in a movie just to say 'I was there, See'!" and she looked at me and said, "Yes, I think I can use you." Turned out she was a local agent and already representing an old College buddy who was also there as an Extra. Now I'm in an Emilio Estevez movie - for 3 seconds - lol! - I made $78,000.00/hr! - if you divide the 3 seconds I was on the screen into the $65 they paid me

Finally! I’ve been riding this bike since it came out ;)

I was on the edge with this bike and the 2021 tallboy , eventually sided with the tallboy as its such a plush bike. I`d probably be stoked with the 5010 as well. The guys I ride with seem to like the smaller wheels purely for maneuverability .

I'm eagerly awaiting your following V3 review....!

This was just the perfect review. Can't wait to get my Rasp within 2 weeks.

Your one of reason I leaned to buying a v3 5010. I really love it. Can you compare the v4 to the v3

Met a guy on the trail last week with the new 5010 in red(aka the Solo), and he was just coming off the old V3 Tallboy. He said he preferred the 27.5” wheel

Great review... how would you compare vs Pivot429 or the Evil Following as a have one bike to do it all? Live in a river based city with lots of trails.( would be 90 percent of riding) Would greatly appreciate any feedback.

Hey Jason, how does the rear suspension compare to the Ibis VPP platform?

I enjoy your reviews since you understand the challenges of shorter riders! When will you demo a Mullet like the new Bronson?

@pcarts232

2 жыл бұрын

I tried it it’s nice 29” 27:5” it feels strange cos the front is high and the rear is like the V3 Bronson you should demo one though 🤘🏾

Can u do a review on the blur please?

Hi perhaps you could do a video on how you set up a new bike before a review? Adjusting saddle, cockpit, fork/damper etc. Would be interesting since you've tried so many bikes.

Love the channel keep them coming! Trying to support but none of your links to Competitive Cycle seem to be working.

Great Video as always! Thanks!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

What a fun review. Great looking bike for those who prefer 27.5 wheel size.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

It really is! Thanks Bill

Santa cruz makes the most beautiful bikes

I think it would be great if you can elaborate about differences in handling between 5'010 and revel rascal...similar geometry and suspension but one is 29 and the other is 27.5....

How would this compare to the pivot 429? Riding trail small to medium jumps/drops?

Great video..clear review. Thanks - new subscriber from the Philippines 🇵🇭

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Welcome!

Have you had a chance to ride a Revel Ranger yet? Compare it to the Ripley?

Did you find the short top tube to make the bike feel a lot smaller? I see it was shortened quite a bit while they lengthened the reach.

Another fantastic review Jason. Watching from up in Deer Valley this time (not Westlake Village) what a cool trail, what’s it called?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

This was filmed on Barrel trail and Zen trail in st george utah

Cool video review, I had the same question s in mind when I was deciding between the TB and 5010 , I ended up with the 2019 tallboy because of the shorter travel than the current TB and the wheel size over the 5010, I think both bikes are a great choice I probably could have lived with either model but I’m happy with my choice

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

I loved the TB3 excellent choice!

Good luck finding anything!

Can't wait for a Mach 6 review!

How does 5010 line up compared to Transition Scout?

Great review! How would the 5010 compare to Pivot 429 or Switchblade running 27.5s for shorter riders?

@CESAR1309LAMPARD

3 жыл бұрын

I currently have a pivot 429 and I’m switching to the 5010 or Bronson due to my height. I need something with a shorter stand over height. The 29ers are too tall and long for me. I don’t feel like I’m in control when I ride it. I feel like a passenger.

Currently debating between 2022 5010 vs Fezzari Signal Peak Elite. Highly appreciate this video!

@mtbyumyum

2 жыл бұрын

good luck!

How does it compare to the SB140?

Have they fixed that weird shelfing effect, where the rear end would get hung up on edges like the 2018 Hightower LT?

Living in the SLC area and finally getting into mtn biking this upcoming summer. need to take on the 5010 and mojo 4... seem so similar but don’t know if that travel is gonna be enough for me as i don’t know what type of riding i will do

@talonmills873

3 жыл бұрын

I moved to the SLC area a year ago with a specialized enduro 27.5 (160/160). After the first summer I realized that it was WAY too much travel for 90% of the riding and really sucked to make all the climbs. I sold it for the new 5010 and can't express how good it feels to ride. I'd suggest you watch @mtbyumyums video on speed and travel.

Anyone know what trail/system this is? Thanks

What is the guy in front of you riding? Looks to ride/track very well...!

What brand clothing are you wearing?

What about this compared to the 27.5 Bronson (not the MX)?

I’ll comment on this one now... THANK YOU sir! And because there was no snarky comment about how I would know if I subscribed.... I’ll subscribe now haha

I have the 21’ Hightower, love it for DH but man it’s such a 🐖 climbing ... been trying to decide between the pivot 429 enduro or new Stumpjumper.. your thoughts 💭?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

go Trail 429 (if you can find one) and don't look back.... it's incredible!

@eatnpooter1634

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum Does the mach 5.5 climb as good as the 429 & I imagine they're the same weight?

Hey Jason and everyone else, In the market for a new (ish) Bike. I'm looking at either Santa Cruz 5010 V4 or Ibis HD4 (used). What is your opinion between these two bikes?

@ivanblock6641

2 жыл бұрын

Never mind. Purchased the 5010 V4 and freaking love it.

Jason, what’s the weight differences between the 5010, Mojo and SB?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

I don't remember the exact weight but the Ibis is for sure lighter weight and the sb140 and 5010 are similar....

Kept waiting for the promised comparison to the sb140. Did I miss it?

@CESAR1309LAMPARD

2 жыл бұрын

He said it’s great if you wanna pummel down the trail ! In a few words, he preferred the 5010.

VelociRax hands down the best bike rack! I love mine!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@CESAR1309LAMPARD

2 жыл бұрын

Get a Thule !!!

How would this compare to the rocky mountain altitude since they are both 27.5?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

the 5010 is slightly sportier and more maneuverable.

Whenever he says "will size" I can't tell if he's talking about bikes or what he's leaving to his kids 😂

Have you ridden the Shadowcat? I have a Ripley AF that I love but am thinking about a bike to complement it that's a bit more capable but not too heavy.

@mtbyumyum

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I had a Shadowcat for a few days last week… video coming soon! Mind blowing what Pivot is doing… incredible bike for sure!

@bnara1975

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing the video!

@randalfordphoto

Жыл бұрын

Excited to see the Shadowcat review I’m considering one!

Hey J in your opinion which bike would you say is better overall The SC megatower cc The revel Rascal or , The RM SLAYER ? For Trail riding , some small jumps and chunky terrain? I’d love to hear your opinion as you have ridden all 3 bikes 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾.......

@leejohnh22

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say it wholly depends on the terrain you're riding. For 90% of the US, the Rascal is the right bike. I own one, live in Texas and it's perfect for the chunk around here and still crushes the local bike park (spider mountain) To elaborate, the SC mega tower and RM slayer are much bigger bikes. If you live in BC or somewhere along those lines with massive downhill trails then I would consider those. Otherwise, stick with a trail bike like the Rascal

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

@@leejohnh22 awesome 👏🏾 thanks dude and how is it at climbing?

@leejohnh22

3 жыл бұрын

@@pcarts232 It really shines on the tech climbs where it doesn't get hung up like many other suspension platforms. On the flat climbs, it's not super efficient, but feels really lively on single track. To give an idea... Efficiency: DW (Ibis) > CBF (Revel) > VPP (lower link, Santa Cruz) Tech Climb: CBF > VPP > DW

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

@@leejohnh22 awesome thanks for the tips , yeah I’ve had every Santa Cruz and I really want to try a Revel bike to see how they are but I just need to decide the Rail or the Rascal! 😂😂😂🙌🏽🙌🏽

MTB yumyum SANTA CRUZ 5010 vs 2021 PIVOT TRAIL 429, which one is more nimble, poppy, and jumpy? And which one is a better climber?

@CESAR1309LAMPARD

2 жыл бұрын

Pivot trail is a better climber but it lacks on the descent. I’d take the 5010 for sure. That’s what I’m currently riding

Are you testing the new Pivot Mach 6 soon?

How would this bike manage Enduro racing? Local stuff, not EWS. Looking for a bike for my son. LBS thought that SB140 would suit the local races. Is the 5010 enough bike?

@mtbyumyum

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the 5010 is enough bike but wouldn't you want to go w a 29er? They're faster. Don't see many ews riders on 27.5 bikes anymore. Unless he's just looking to have a good time.... then 27.5 is a lot of fun. I personally ride a mullet.

@GreenTimYoung

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum Thanks! Our local enduro courses are more twisty and rooty than flat out speed and rocks (we’re in the South of England). Probably what you’d call East Coast riding, so I was worried that a 29er enduro bike like Firebird or Sb150 was too much bike for a 13 yr old. Looking at Mach 6 and 5010. He’s riding a Status at the moment so a Mullet option sounds sensible. Thanks for the reply!

I also didn’t go for the jump after that drop on Barrel my first time down a few weeks ago. The video doesn’t do it justice. It’s a tricky section with the drop right before.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

it's a speed thing... I either need a few pedal strokes after the little drop or more speed and scrub the drop... either way, I always feel like I don't have enough speed going into it lol

i love my 27.5

Great review J , I’ve tried both , I’d still go for the 5010 , the Tallboy is heavy and it’s kinda sluggish at climbing imo, I think the Nomad is almost as good climbing as the TB , the 5010 is in the middle

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

what about the bronson?

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum You know something, I tried the Bronson on a long demo it’s not great , it feels kinda wooden if that makes sense, not good feedback from the bike , it climbs just like the new HT ...sluggish and Descending is average, that’s why I rate the Nomad over the other SC bikes , It descends better than all of them, it’s only slightly behind on the climbing because it’s so slack but it can still get up the climbs , just takes a little bit more effort from the rider 🙌🏽🙌🏽👍🏾👍🏾!!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 your reviews are so good because you always say “ it depends on what trails you ride “ THIS IS SO TRUE dude , I think for me personally I want a bike that can handle everything that you throw at it (ie the Nomad) but for some people they just want a trail bike so a Nomad could do trails but a Tallboy would probably be more suited for them, it literally depends where do you actually want to take your mountain bike to ? I’ve ridden my 5010 at a bike park with an uplift and yeah it was good fun but the nomad was more fun because it’s got more travel so you’re more confident so you can have a little bit more fun but then back on the Trail the 5010 balances it out So it’s a mixture of both !! 😂

@pcarts232

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum like you say it’s great time to be a mountain biker 😂😂👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾✅✅✅✅✅

Dude , way to put the 5010 through its paces ! I thought the 5010 was more of a uphill / " cross country guys downhill bike" but from the looks of you video it could handle more than you could throw at it :)

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Totally! It's a do anything bike for sure... very capable!

Which bike climbs better. Tallboy? 5010?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

pick a wheel size....

Curious if you notice the rear suspension on VPP bikes stiffening up during braking, especially on a trail with braking bumps.

is it better than trail 429 same or better comments you doing on this bike !!!!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

They're different. The Trail 429 is a better bike for most people in my experience.... I think the 5010 is more fun, more plush and deep feeling and can handle rougher downhill terrain better

@davidramos5595

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum would you invest on a 5010 or SB

Pivot Trail 429 Enduro or the 5010CC? Thanks! Why dont you choose the L frame, it should also fit you? Thanks for your help, just trying to decide between the Trail429 and the 5010.

I recently bought the Mojo 4 and it's actually quite plush on the downs with 2.6 tires (the Maxxis Rekon/DHF combo I run probably measure closer to 2.5). Anyway, I quickly rode the Tallboy and 5010 and they just don't have that dw-link lively, super efficient feeling imo. Still good bikes, but just not quite as fun to ride.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, I agree.... not on par w this 5010 though.... The M4 feels sportier and more lively!

So if you were to buy one for your wife now, would it still be the M4 or would go with the new 5010?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

100% Ibis Mojo 4....

@mtbcyclist

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum why?

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

lighter weight, more maneuverable, snappier and more lively.... and I just like Ibis better....

anything you didnt like about it? thanks

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a bit heavy

Norco has been doing the different rear triangle for each size for a few years........

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome. So smart. Thanks!

Not a total hater of Santa Cruz, since I owned a Superlight back in the day, however, they just don't track as well as an Ibis or a Yeti. I demo'd the Tallboy and the Ripley back to back and the Ripley by far was more efficient, most noticeable in climbing. Most recently, I demo'd a Hightower, it did pedal well to the trailhead ( wanted to like it - felt great! ), but once it hit the dirt, the tracking fell short. Maybe the Suspension setup is more sensitive? With Ibis for example, it doesn't matter how it's setup they just do everything so well!

@CESAR1309LAMPARD

2 жыл бұрын

How would you say it compares to the Yeti SB140?

I am 6 ft 4 and have a v2 5010. I love it. all this if you under xxx or over xx height do this is stupid af.

Is this a boy's or girl's bike?

29 = Fast 27.5 = Fun

@corvettec5dave

3 жыл бұрын

What about the 26?

@believe8263

3 жыл бұрын

@@corvettec5dave 26= Fun.

4:13 hold up ... did you just say green?

So to sum up. Every bike you ride and review is "just amazing," "wow, what a joy," and "the perfect trail bike." 🤣🤣 definitely need a top three trail bike video from you now.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never understood this criticism. Why shouldn’t they all be good bikes? Different and unique in ways but good

@joeboy1884

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum that’s why I like your channel. All bikes are amazing in 2021!

@ejhayes76

3 жыл бұрын

It's really hard to have a crappy bike these days. They are all good, just different.

@derektaylor2845

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbyumyum I'm being facetious because you catch hell over this. But hey a top three would be cool though. Keep it up I love your channel.

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Derek, I see! Difficult to be of an understanding mind via text haha

¿Stumpjumper evo 2021????

@LCNismo

3 жыл бұрын

Trash

If you want a 27.5 do-everything trail bike, you want a Primer 27.5 with a coil shock.

Poison the neighbors dogs.

@marcid6527

3 жыл бұрын

Haha no joke!

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously... When we moved in 8 years ago there were no dogs. Now the neighbors on the left have 3 dog and 2 dogs on the right. I need to get a studio or something haha

27.5" Lives Matter!

The 5010 makes no sense in the SC line up...

@mtbyumyum

3 жыл бұрын

Elaborate?? I sort of thought that same thing and would really love to ride the Bronson back-to-back and see what the climbing penalty is if any and what other trail manners differ between the two smaller wheel sized bikes..... for me personally, I'd take the Tallboy over the 5010

@pborgix

3 жыл бұрын

How cares... I love mine....

Over intellectualizing is boring