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Vey good analisis. South Africa never came out of secong gear. But an exprimental Whales side.
@RRTNZ6 сағат бұрын
Doedd dim syndod yno. Roeddwn ni'n wael.
@peteroldridge157417 сағат бұрын
South Africa should have had 3 tries disallowed full stop shocking
@warlord19571120 сағат бұрын
Wales have always been predictable in attack under Gatland. For a long time I thought it must be Howley's fault, but it's no better with a different attack coach. How does anyone think that a forward at first receiver and taking the ball standing still can make any progress?
@TheWelshSportsPodcast20 сағат бұрын
Yeah exactly. Maybe it is Howley. The attack looked ok in the WC but since then it’s looked terrible. I’m not sure but something needs to change
@johnkinsey73342 күн бұрын
An honest and well informed comment on the Wales performance against South Africa. You highlight our key problem - there is no sign of any clear structure or consistent pattern of play emerging. Against the Springboks we just played damage limitation rugby. The Australia tour is now hugely important. We need to see a marked improvement in quality and two victories from the three tour matches.
@TheWelshSportsPodcastКүн бұрын
Very kind of you to say thank you very much. Damage limitation is a good description of how Wales played. I’m just hoping that the coaches wrote the game off before we even started and kept all of the plans and attacking patterns for Australia because like you said we need to victories from this tour. We’re desperate😂
@davidlee552 күн бұрын
If we had second rows fit we would have the likes of Adam Beard, Rhys Davies, Teddy Williams, James Fender all available. Add Dafydd Jenkins and Christ Tshiunza and suddenly the engine rooms looks very competitive.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah agreed. I thought carter and screech looked ok tbh
@davidlee55Күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Carter definitely still has a future with Wales it's mad to think he is 23. It will be interesting to see who plays and is benched against Aus I feel Gats is leaning towards Tshiunza being a second row and less of a 6.
@TheWelshSportsPodcastКүн бұрын
Yeah maybe. Tshiunza is a bit small for international SR for me. I’d like to see him at 6 and see how he goes
@davidlee55Күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Taller than Hill and Screech weighs the same as both as well.
@TheWelshSportsPodcastКүн бұрын
Oh really! I did not know that. He looks smaller some how 😂 that does make that an interesting choice 🤔
@DisAstra-qx9gq2 күн бұрын
Wales' biggest issue is the game is dying. Gen z would rather stab each other than go to war on a rugby pitch 🤷♂️
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah popularity is certainly dropping off. Don’t really know what the answer for that is 😬
@matthewharries58952 күн бұрын
I think wales biggest problem is fly half. I just don’t see costellow standing up to the plate. I would have preferred to see Ioan Lloyd in the team. He’s far more committed to a game plan than costellow. I thought Beetham looked pretty confident at 10 when he came on so would be good to see him have a proper swing for it against Australia.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
I really don’t think Lloyd is the answer. Costellow is just so devoid of any confidence at the moment that I’m praying he finds some and find some form along with it😬
@matthewharries5895Күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I just think when it comes to attack. Wales and the scarlets looked a lot more dangerous with Lloyd on the pitch. He’s very young and he doesn’t always make the right decisions but he has so much more ambition than Costellow. I’ve not really seen a single performance from Costellow in a Welsh jersey(maybe the warm up game in Cardiff in 2023) to justify his place
@TheWelshSportsPodcastКүн бұрын
That’s fair enough, I think against Georgia in the World Cup we saw him open some stuff up for the players but I do take your point. I just think he’s been asked to play a completely different way to his natural game at the Scarlets and it seems like he’s really struggling to adjust to that I do really think there’s a good player in there and if we could get some go forward ball and a steady platform we might see that player come out 🙏🏼
@fazeobama66062 күн бұрын
the only thing that comforts me now is the strength in the back row, Morgan at 6 refel at 7 and wainwright at 8 all world class with other future stars in the team
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I agree. We actually got a good bit of depth there too.
@bletsoeart64622 күн бұрын
Dewi Lake is the next Ken Owens, trust me when I say that 🏴💪
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
I like that comp mate. I think Lake can be a lions captain tbh
@garethrichmond43882 күн бұрын
Very high praise indeed. And I'll second your comment.
@shaun30-3-mg9zsКүн бұрын
I'll Third it, Dewi is the next Ken
@TheWelshSportsPodcastКүн бұрын
Can I forth it? Because if I can. I Forth that statement 👌🏼🏴
@shaun30-3-mg9zs2 күн бұрын
Hi Christian, Agree with what you said, bit of experience with Cory Hill like last Saturday's game it was go to see Liam Williams. My concern on this is the Queensland Reds than the Australia team, same again as the last game very nervous but excited, thanks for the update let see how it goes catch you soon, Take care
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think you’re right Shaun. Funny enough quite a few people have said they were worried about the reds game. I think we will see a more experimental side and we never do good when we put out experimental teams.😬
@westy80652 күн бұрын
Have to say im still confiden of a good tour! Only match im a bit worried about is Queenslands reds!!
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, no doubt in that one he will put out an experimental team and history shows that we’ve always struggled when we do that. Let’s keep fingers crossed for a win though mate because we’re desperate.😂
@clivesilver4632 күн бұрын
You hit the nail on the head, we need to preform as a team rather than gold stars for individual performance, Scrum must be solid the centre partnership must gel, there has to be patten to our play and creativity and our defence must improve.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, hopefully Australia scrum won’t be very good either and we can get parity and if that’s the case, maybe we can see some more structure and game patterns being deployed. We can hope anyway 😂
@jamesgill92232 күн бұрын
So Costalow is still 10 then 🤦♂️
@westy80652 күн бұрын
Looks that way one specialist 10, with Ben Thomas part time 10 and Betham played 10mins at 10 since leaving school
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, it’s very strange. It seems like he’s using body type as his selection policy at 10. 🤷🏻♂️
@jamesgill92232 күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast you have Jarrad Evans signed by harlequins they don’t sign nobody’s, I don’t understand why he wouldn’t get the call. Sam has had so many opportunities and has failed to do anything. Give Jarrad that opportunity he can’t possibly be worse.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I’ve always loved Jarrod and I wish he had more opportunities though I am a bias Cardiff fan 😬😂
@jamesgill92232 күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yeah me to lol RCT Ponty boy lol 😂
@royphair96762 күн бұрын
The same conditions for both teams
@user-no4kz9zm4c2 күн бұрын
The squad has improved marginally in my opinion with the return of the English based players I think we will see a few changes in the starting 15 [not including those from injury] I can see N.TOMKINS RETURNING TO 12 AND M.GRADY AT 13 Also cannot understand why T.Rogers isn't touring He is at least a known quantity While J.Hathaway/ .J.Beetham iare completely unknown at test level Still cannot realistically see Wales wining any of the forthcoming tests [ unfortunately ] As i feel J.Schmidt will have Australia AT LEAST DOING THE BASICS WELL Which atm Wales are not doing We will see what we will see and what happens will happen here's hoping the matches are competitive and close at least
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I agree about Schmidt. I’ve always rated him as a coach, which makes me slightly worried for this tour. haven’t said that I’m really hopeful that the boys can pull something out of the locker as we’re absolutely desperate for a win. Maybe a few more weeks together, will give us a marked improvement 😬
@Levi3D2 күн бұрын
"Too easy" Just saying.
@glaslynx1232 күн бұрын
If you're building for the future, it's Ratti ,I just can't understand the selection of Hill Hathaway and Grace will be interesting both have great potential in my view. Really need to sort out the attack .Alex King seemed to do okay at Gloucester but it's not clicking for Wales at the moment
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, it looked okay in the World Cup too. But since then we’ve really struggled. Maybe the lack of Dan bigger in the squad is telling.🤷🏻♂️
@isaacridge44932 күн бұрын
I think Alex king is undermined by rob howley. Alex king can't get much input in the attack as of rob howley and his absolute howlers of tactics
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Things have been worse since he’s been there to be fair😬
@daaichommie7082 күн бұрын
Not a pretty game. Both sides showed a lot of rust. I feel like scoreline doesn't fully reflect the game. Wales were in it for most of it despite playing poorly. The best thing to take from this as a Bok and Welsh fan is that it's the first time in a long while that the lads have played together.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I’m really hoping with a bit of time it comes together. It just really didn’t look like it had any direction at all in this game😬
@patrickporter65362 күн бұрын
Too.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Dyslexic. Sorry 🤦♂️
@patrickporter65362 күн бұрын
S'OK. Spelcheck has much to answer for... 😂
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
😂
@jonathoncollins68613 күн бұрын
I'm a bit gutted honestly with the whole thing. I just don't really see a fix in any players (in or out of the squad), in the union, in the clubs or in the coaching. I do sometimes wish I knew what they were trying to do but these days I can't see a plan in any of it 😔😟
@sachinbangaru7373 күн бұрын
It wasn’t easy Wales just don’t have the same depth the Bokke do.
@gruff55813 күн бұрын
If there was no other player to pick I wouldn’t mind his selections, but he’s not picking a lot of talented players and he seems quite stubborn with his choices. Hopefully we’ll get a few wins in Australia
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Yeah, you could certainly improve that front row by bringing in Botha and Smith and maybe even Carrie 🤷🏻♂️
@TrezenEN3 күн бұрын
A few things to note: Wales missed an absolute sitter of a try, Winnett should have scored in the corner, and South Africa were handed a try that was clearly forward - and this try in my mind was what began to unravel the Welsh team. The gap should have been 34-20 to South Africa, which is a realistic representation of how the teams performed on the day. The soft tries given by Wales through a simple lack of defensive structure needs fixing, and realistically this will be a lot better if players are played in position, and when Wales have a full squad to select from, as unlike SA, we don't have anywhere near the amount of options to select from. The scrum is an issue for Wales, but then again it is for most teams against SA. I don't think there is an answer to this problem without expanding our population from 3 million to around 10x that number, or by bringing in foreign players under residency rules, like Ireland and Scotland have do. This is probably one of the leading causes of the recent changes to the scrum, and is an issue that World Rugby needs to find solutions to, as scrums are overly determinant of the end result, especially in crunch games like World Cup knock-out games. Is Gatland losing the changing room? I don't personally think so, but his choice of players is peculiar to say the least. He needs to select more in-form club players for sure.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think your point is fair. South Africa certainly had the rub of the green with the officials. Having said that they also made a lot of mistakes and they discipline was poor and realistically the only chances we created were off South Africa mistakes not anything we made ourselves. I really hope Scotland can pull it back because I do really love him as a fan of Welsh rugby and of course I want to see him succeed and I’ve always been a big defender of him. It’s just recently he’s been making very strange decisions and it’s hard to see , what the end goal is? I just hope the players can see it better than I can Cheers for your comment. Really interesting to read.👍🏼
@juanpierrebosch3 күн бұрын
Hello from a South African, you come across very humble, great insight to rugby and mostly with love for the game. I look forward to seeing for off your contend. Do you think by returning to Gatland as head coach are you taking away the opertunaty for Walsh rugby to grow? Pss living in Ireland 🇮🇪
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
A South African rugby fan living in Ireland must be fun😂 I appreciate the kind words, my friend and glad you’re gonna stick around👌🏼 I have to say, I was over the moon when he came back And I think the World Cup display prove that he was the man to take us forward. Having said that since the six Nations there’s been lot of questionable selections and the general vibe doesn’t feel good but I don’t know who else they could get in who understands Welsh rugby quite like he does so I’m not really sure what the answer is if I’m being honest
@juanpierrebosch3 күн бұрын
@TheWelshSportsPodcast thank you for the reply. The world of rugby is better with a strong Welsh team. I think a new generation of players must have a new generation leader. Welsh rugby needs new input and cut dead wood. Have a blessed day. Pss regarding Ireland, it's always fun having a giggle when heads blow up so big and crash and burns with ego in tatters .. lol
@TheWelshSportsPodcast2 күн бұрын
Yeah, it’s hard to argue with that. I’ve got a young leadership group now a couple of quality players. I just hope as they develop the players around them as well and we may have a decent team in a couple of years. Let’s just hope it doesn’t take that long for for us to start winning games 😬😬😬
@mamoersebaas26543 күн бұрын
Gatland is out of his depth .move on get a young more energetic coach in or get maybe a total new face from the southern hemisphere..Maybe get a season coach like jake white in
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
I’m not too sure what the answer is to be honest. I think only coach would struggle in the current set up but haven’t said that we do look directionless at the moment which of course is on Gatlin’s coaching.
@thembelanihdlamini53953 күн бұрын
we all understand that they are building and they brought the fight.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Certainly do it just doesn’t seam like there’s a clear plan atm that’s all
@StopTheRot3 күн бұрын
Gatland and Howley’s management style of ‘my way or the highway’ is doomed to failure this time for these reasons: 1. We're losing every game 2. The players know that Gatland’s style is out of date. 3. The players know that Gatland is picking the wrong players. This losing streak will continue until Gatland goes
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
I’m really hopeful can turn things around, but I’m not sure whether that’s just blind. Hope rather than realistic 🤷🏻♂️
@StopTheRot2 күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastwell, we’re both helping you’re right!
@StopTheRot3 күн бұрын
Not only is Gats completely out of date with his game plan, he ignores genuinely good players in order to pick people out of position. He ignores: Nicky Smith Rhys Carre Botha Parry Morris Edwards Kieran Williams Max Llewllyn Owen Williams Jarrod Evans Dan John To name just a few.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Yeah, Fairpoint 👏🏼
@StopTheRot3 күн бұрын
Gatland is a bloody joke. He’s genuinely dreadful. It’s that simple. AND, since Howley has returned we have looked significantly worse.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
It has been worse since Howley came back, but whether that’s just coincidence I don’t know
@mountainman91453 күн бұрын
As an old man who has watched one too many games of rugby I say this. This young Welsh side will build into a competitive unit by the next World Cup. Lake, Williams, Costello, Bevan, Wainright, Thomas and the new 12 are all world class players. Add the players returning and you have the spine of a final four team going into WC2027.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
That’s a fair point my worry is the fans just stop watching over the next year two and don’t come back by the time the World Cup comes around
@mannymbatha16463 күн бұрын
As a Saffa I really enjoyed the brutal honesty. But this was a brilliant show of where your youngsters where going, especially in the first half👌🏾
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Thank you, my friend. Very kind of you to say. There’s no way to sugarcoat it if I’m being totally honest😂 Agreed, some young players showing promise but it’s clear we still have a really long way to go
@patrickporter65362 күн бұрын
I thought Wales did well in spots, and we weren't particularly wonderful. Video ref seemed to have a problem with his eyesight.. They'll get better, and probably give the Aussies a thumping.
@robroy84853 күн бұрын
Too
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Dyslexia, sorry 😂
@71bootneck3 күн бұрын
From SA. Wales are young and building phase. Wales will be there in few years abs ready for next WC
@redda453 күн бұрын
Gatland is a coach devoid of ideas.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
I’m not sure what he’s trying to achieve at the moment, and that’s what’s worrying😬
@StopTheRot3 күн бұрын
He’s terrible. His coaching is completely out of date.
@MANDREW333 күн бұрын
Too?
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Dyslexia, sorry 😂
@TheWynM3 күн бұрын
First time listening to you, mate your good! Keep it up 👏👏👏
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Thank you my friend. Very kind of you to say. I hope to see you back again 👍🏼🏴
@Sunshinez7323 күн бұрын
Incredibly objective analysis. A small rugby nation like Wales (population size) punches way above its weight, historically. It's a slump in time for Wales. The best teams all go through it.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Very kind of you to see, thank you. Yeah, I’m not usually as negative on this channel but I just found that game awfully difficult to watch as I don’t see a clear path for us to improve as things currently stand. Cheers for watching 👍🏼
@Juggergenix3 күн бұрын
While watching the game as a boks. I noticed a strange thing. Usually South Africa tries to slow things down, set piece and scrums, rucks and mauls. But I got the feeling Wales were the ones killing the speed deliberately. Very strange, not the Wales I know 🤷
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Damage control I think my friend😬😂
@Juggergenix3 күн бұрын
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast We were there too. As long as there is passion, this too shall pass 😁
@WalesTheTrueBritons3 күн бұрын
Wales is doomed I’m afraid, when you combine A group of players who lack the required talent for international games with a board who gladly sacrificed their nations Identity on the alter of Accusations….you end up in a creek without a paddle. We are going to go another 20 year drought thanks those at the WRU. We are so racist that Ashley Williams (a Black man) was our football captain for nigh on a decade and Taulupe Faletau had how many caps? Welsh rugby is DONE!!!
@dn8223 күн бұрын
Such a big difference in mindset between us South Africans and the Welch. I truly believe we will win the URC next year and have 3 teams in the semis. Believe we will take the next world cup aswell. Yes yes we are that arrogant but surely you guys must start to believe. For the last few years Wales was the game I got very nervous about. We won by a point here and a point there with good sides. And we got lucky at times aswell. No sorry I just can't see it same way as you guys...you are much better then you think. Change your mindset. How lucky were we in this world cup...but you create your own luck
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
@wales I’m not really sure I understand the “racist” part of your comment?
@willemraaths17633 күн бұрын
As a South African and Springbok supporter I have no liking for Warren Gatland, HOWEVER, don't judge him too harshly. His records speak for itself. He has a keen eye for talent, and he is rebuilding now. Just remember that it is not going to be an overnight fix. The players are VERY INEXPERIENCED at international level. They will need time to play together, to build trust and to create that bonds that will make them gel. Wales will become a force again. Give him the time to build that. Judge him by the next world cup. As despondent as the Wales supporters feel now, they will rejoice again. There is a lot of problems in WRU, the best players is mostly not available. WRU needs to change the eligibility rules so that all Wales players qualify. Warren Gatland's hands are tied, and should he fail, it wouldn't be his fault.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
@FrekPret3 күн бұрын
I'm South African with a rather diluted drop of 1820 Welsh in my veins. Don't punish yourselves so, it's not necessary. These are vastly inexperienced players and they will grow and become a world class factor again! I mean, Etzebeth for instance has more test matches under his belt than the whole of your scrum together. Give your guys a break, give them a couple of seasons to develop. ... and let rugby in Wales win!
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
@samothemano3 күн бұрын
Hey bro! Fantastic review as always! The shoreline was actually more flattering towards us than I expected but the performance was absolute hoop. Only 1 clean line break, basic handling errors, horrendous decision making in attack and numerous other facets of the game made us look like a tier 2 team. Costelow is NOT the guy for us. He does naff all. Give him the boot and let Beetham have a go. I think people saw in this game what I’ve said about Winnet from the start. He offers zero in attack. He’s very much like halfpenny in that he is fairly solid under the high ball but that is literally it. In attack we play with 14 men. Grady is probably the best winger in Wales. PLAY HIM ON THE WING. Get Eddie James in the centre. He looked alright when he came on in my opinion. One thing that’s a positive is Dewi lake. He proved that he is a quality player. The drop off from him to our 2nd choice hooker (whoever the hell that is) is massive. Our props are garbage. They got lucky that the ref didn’t penalise them at every scrum. I don’t think they took a forward step at all. Gareth Davies has totally lost it. Fumbling the ball at the base of rucks, EVERY box kick was way too long and that little chip Into the in goal area when we were on their 5m line was poo. I was screaming at him through my tv for that. Gatland has lost the confidence and respect from his players IMO. He has to go because it seems like the boys just don’t want to be involved. Feyi-Waboso choosing England over wales. LRZ leaving for the NFL. Players retiring when they are still the first choice pick in their position. Playing having “breaks” from playing (Elias, Rowlands). And now this thing with Sam Parry. Players should want to drop everything to get another cap and represent Wales. But it seems like the atmosphere is poor in the camp and guys just want to leave. I have no idea what to expect from the Aus tour but I know that if we somehow win all 3 games, that’s probably the worst outcome for us in the long run as it further papers over the gaping cracks in the WRU.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
@Munkey2053 күн бұрын
This Wales team is rebuilding, I’m a Springbok supporter and felt the same way in 2016-2017, 2 years later we were wc champs! Wales will come right!
@agc27573 күн бұрын
Hope so mate! The Ireland Vs. Saffas matches will no doubt be absolutely fantastic. Our matches with Oz probably less so 😁
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
I really hope so, mate. Good luck in the summer. Cheers👍🏼
@gopolanglekoto3 күн бұрын
So are you saying Wales will win the next World Cup? Is that it?😂
@dn8223 күн бұрын
@@gopolanglekoto2019 world cup we beat them 19 - 16 in the semis and we were lucky there. So why not? They don't lose by 50..they lose by a bounce of the ball. That changes with momentum and believe
@gopolanglekoto3 күн бұрын
@@dn822 And we beat them by an even bigger margin over the weekend. 2019 is 5 years ago now. How long are they “rebuilding”? They had 2 World Cups to rebuild already. SA rebuilds every 2 years ready for next World Cup. I don’t think Wales is getting better, my friend. I think things are stale there because of Warren Gatland and it’s a shame. They should release him and truly start rebuilding.
@RRTNZ3 күн бұрын
Roedd hwn caled i wylio ! Yn hanner y cyntaf roeddwn ni'n chwarae'n dda. Ond yn hanner yr ail, aeth y Boks yn "gear" nesa, chaethon ni ddim plan o gwbl. Chwaraeodd Williams yn iawn, ond does dim ddigon.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast3 күн бұрын
Gwaith galed I gwilio 🥹
@xxwales15xx333 күн бұрын
Taken the words out of my mouth! No idea what the gameplan is and im fed up of being "brave in defeat" or "this is a young side they'll learn". Something seriously wrong with Gatland and this current camp
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Yep, the unlucky losers is okay but only for a short amount of time we have to start seeing some progression forward because at the moment we seem to be getting worse not better
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@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Just seen the squad announcement for the Australian tour - only 3 Ospreys players making the cut and taking Hill over Ratti? Gatlands actions aren't matching his words!
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Vey good analisis. South Africa never came out of secong gear. But an exprimental Whales side.
Doedd dim syndod yno. Roeddwn ni'n wael.
South Africa should have had 3 tries disallowed full stop shocking
Wales have always been predictable in attack under Gatland. For a long time I thought it must be Howley's fault, but it's no better with a different attack coach. How does anyone think that a forward at first receiver and taking the ball standing still can make any progress?
Yeah exactly. Maybe it is Howley. The attack looked ok in the WC but since then it’s looked terrible. I’m not sure but something needs to change
An honest and well informed comment on the Wales performance against South Africa. You highlight our key problem - there is no sign of any clear structure or consistent pattern of play emerging. Against the Springboks we just played damage limitation rugby. The Australia tour is now hugely important. We need to see a marked improvement in quality and two victories from the three tour matches.
Very kind of you to say thank you very much. Damage limitation is a good description of how Wales played. I’m just hoping that the coaches wrote the game off before we even started and kept all of the plans and attacking patterns for Australia because like you said we need to victories from this tour. We’re desperate😂
If we had second rows fit we would have the likes of Adam Beard, Rhys Davies, Teddy Williams, James Fender all available. Add Dafydd Jenkins and Christ Tshiunza and suddenly the engine rooms looks very competitive.
Yeah agreed. I thought carter and screech looked ok tbh
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Carter definitely still has a future with Wales it's mad to think he is 23. It will be interesting to see who plays and is benched against Aus I feel Gats is leaning towards Tshiunza being a second row and less of a 6.
Yeah maybe. Tshiunza is a bit small for international SR for me. I’d like to see him at 6 and see how he goes
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Taller than Hill and Screech weighs the same as both as well.
Oh really! I did not know that. He looks smaller some how 😂 that does make that an interesting choice 🤔
Wales' biggest issue is the game is dying. Gen z would rather stab each other than go to war on a rugby pitch 🤷♂️
Yeah popularity is certainly dropping off. Don’t really know what the answer for that is 😬
I think wales biggest problem is fly half. I just don’t see costellow standing up to the plate. I would have preferred to see Ioan Lloyd in the team. He’s far more committed to a game plan than costellow. I thought Beetham looked pretty confident at 10 when he came on so would be good to see him have a proper swing for it against Australia.
I really don’t think Lloyd is the answer. Costellow is just so devoid of any confidence at the moment that I’m praying he finds some and find some form along with it😬
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I just think when it comes to attack. Wales and the scarlets looked a lot more dangerous with Lloyd on the pitch. He’s very young and he doesn’t always make the right decisions but he has so much more ambition than Costellow. I’ve not really seen a single performance from Costellow in a Welsh jersey(maybe the warm up game in Cardiff in 2023) to justify his place
That’s fair enough, I think against Georgia in the World Cup we saw him open some stuff up for the players but I do take your point. I just think he’s been asked to play a completely different way to his natural game at the Scarlets and it seems like he’s really struggling to adjust to that I do really think there’s a good player in there and if we could get some go forward ball and a steady platform we might see that player come out 🙏🏼
the only thing that comforts me now is the strength in the back row, Morgan at 6 refel at 7 and wainwright at 8 all world class with other future stars in the team
Yeah, I agree. We actually got a good bit of depth there too.
Dewi Lake is the next Ken Owens, trust me when I say that 🏴💪
I like that comp mate. I think Lake can be a lions captain tbh
Very high praise indeed. And I'll second your comment.
I'll Third it, Dewi is the next Ken
Can I forth it? Because if I can. I Forth that statement 👌🏼🏴
Hi Christian, Agree with what you said, bit of experience with Cory Hill like last Saturday's game it was go to see Liam Williams. My concern on this is the Queensland Reds than the Australia team, same again as the last game very nervous but excited, thanks for the update let see how it goes catch you soon, Take care
Yeah, I think you’re right Shaun. Funny enough quite a few people have said they were worried about the reds game. I think we will see a more experimental side and we never do good when we put out experimental teams.😬
Have to say im still confiden of a good tour! Only match im a bit worried about is Queenslands reds!!
Yeah, no doubt in that one he will put out an experimental team and history shows that we’ve always struggled when we do that. Let’s keep fingers crossed for a win though mate because we’re desperate.😂
You hit the nail on the head, we need to preform as a team rather than gold stars for individual performance, Scrum must be solid the centre partnership must gel, there has to be patten to our play and creativity and our defence must improve.
Yeah, hopefully Australia scrum won’t be very good either and we can get parity and if that’s the case, maybe we can see some more structure and game patterns being deployed. We can hope anyway 😂
So Costalow is still 10 then 🤦♂️
Looks that way one specialist 10, with Ben Thomas part time 10 and Betham played 10mins at 10 since leaving school
Yeah, it’s very strange. It seems like he’s using body type as his selection policy at 10. 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast you have Jarrad Evans signed by harlequins they don’t sign nobody’s, I don’t understand why he wouldn’t get the call. Sam has had so many opportunities and has failed to do anything. Give Jarrad that opportunity he can’t possibly be worse.
Yeah, I’ve always loved Jarrod and I wish he had more opportunities though I am a bias Cardiff fan 😬😂
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yeah me to lol RCT Ponty boy lol 😂
The same conditions for both teams
The squad has improved marginally in my opinion with the return of the English based players I think we will see a few changes in the starting 15 [not including those from injury] I can see N.TOMKINS RETURNING TO 12 AND M.GRADY AT 13 Also cannot understand why T.Rogers isn't touring He is at least a known quantity While J.Hathaway/ .J.Beetham iare completely unknown at test level Still cannot realistically see Wales wining any of the forthcoming tests [ unfortunately ] As i feel J.Schmidt will have Australia AT LEAST DOING THE BASICS WELL Which atm Wales are not doing We will see what we will see and what happens will happen here's hoping the matches are competitive and close at least
Yeah, I agree about Schmidt. I’ve always rated him as a coach, which makes me slightly worried for this tour. haven’t said that I’m really hopeful that the boys can pull something out of the locker as we’re absolutely desperate for a win. Maybe a few more weeks together, will give us a marked improvement 😬
"Too easy" Just saying.
If you're building for the future, it's Ratti ,I just can't understand the selection of Hill Hathaway and Grace will be interesting both have great potential in my view. Really need to sort out the attack .Alex King seemed to do okay at Gloucester but it's not clicking for Wales at the moment
Yeah, it looked okay in the World Cup too. But since then we’ve really struggled. Maybe the lack of Dan bigger in the squad is telling.🤷🏻♂️
I think Alex king is undermined by rob howley. Alex king can't get much input in the attack as of rob howley and his absolute howlers of tactics
Things have been worse since he’s been there to be fair😬
Not a pretty game. Both sides showed a lot of rust. I feel like scoreline doesn't fully reflect the game. Wales were in it for most of it despite playing poorly. The best thing to take from this as a Bok and Welsh fan is that it's the first time in a long while that the lads have played together.
Yeah, I’m really hoping with a bit of time it comes together. It just really didn’t look like it had any direction at all in this game😬
Too.
Dyslexic. Sorry 🤦♂️
S'OK. Spelcheck has much to answer for... 😂
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I'm a bit gutted honestly with the whole thing. I just don't really see a fix in any players (in or out of the squad), in the union, in the clubs or in the coaching. I do sometimes wish I knew what they were trying to do but these days I can't see a plan in any of it 😔😟
It wasn’t easy Wales just don’t have the same depth the Bokke do.
If there was no other player to pick I wouldn’t mind his selections, but he’s not picking a lot of talented players and he seems quite stubborn with his choices. Hopefully we’ll get a few wins in Australia
Yeah, you could certainly improve that front row by bringing in Botha and Smith and maybe even Carrie 🤷🏻♂️
A few things to note: Wales missed an absolute sitter of a try, Winnett should have scored in the corner, and South Africa were handed a try that was clearly forward - and this try in my mind was what began to unravel the Welsh team. The gap should have been 34-20 to South Africa, which is a realistic representation of how the teams performed on the day. The soft tries given by Wales through a simple lack of defensive structure needs fixing, and realistically this will be a lot better if players are played in position, and when Wales have a full squad to select from, as unlike SA, we don't have anywhere near the amount of options to select from. The scrum is an issue for Wales, but then again it is for most teams against SA. I don't think there is an answer to this problem without expanding our population from 3 million to around 10x that number, or by bringing in foreign players under residency rules, like Ireland and Scotland have do. This is probably one of the leading causes of the recent changes to the scrum, and is an issue that World Rugby needs to find solutions to, as scrums are overly determinant of the end result, especially in crunch games like World Cup knock-out games. Is Gatland losing the changing room? I don't personally think so, but his choice of players is peculiar to say the least. He needs to select more in-form club players for sure.
Yeah, I think your point is fair. South Africa certainly had the rub of the green with the officials. Having said that they also made a lot of mistakes and they discipline was poor and realistically the only chances we created were off South Africa mistakes not anything we made ourselves. I really hope Scotland can pull it back because I do really love him as a fan of Welsh rugby and of course I want to see him succeed and I’ve always been a big defender of him. It’s just recently he’s been making very strange decisions and it’s hard to see , what the end goal is? I just hope the players can see it better than I can Cheers for your comment. Really interesting to read.👍🏼
Hello from a South African, you come across very humble, great insight to rugby and mostly with love for the game. I look forward to seeing for off your contend. Do you think by returning to Gatland as head coach are you taking away the opertunaty for Walsh rugby to grow? Pss living in Ireland 🇮🇪
A South African rugby fan living in Ireland must be fun😂 I appreciate the kind words, my friend and glad you’re gonna stick around👌🏼 I have to say, I was over the moon when he came back And I think the World Cup display prove that he was the man to take us forward. Having said that since the six Nations there’s been lot of questionable selections and the general vibe doesn’t feel good but I don’t know who else they could get in who understands Welsh rugby quite like he does so I’m not really sure what the answer is if I’m being honest
@TheWelshSportsPodcast thank you for the reply. The world of rugby is better with a strong Welsh team. I think a new generation of players must have a new generation leader. Welsh rugby needs new input and cut dead wood. Have a blessed day. Pss regarding Ireland, it's always fun having a giggle when heads blow up so big and crash and burns with ego in tatters .. lol
Yeah, it’s hard to argue with that. I’ve got a young leadership group now a couple of quality players. I just hope as they develop the players around them as well and we may have a decent team in a couple of years. Let’s just hope it doesn’t take that long for for us to start winning games 😬😬😬
Gatland is out of his depth .move on get a young more energetic coach in or get maybe a total new face from the southern hemisphere..Maybe get a season coach like jake white in
I’m not too sure what the answer is to be honest. I think only coach would struggle in the current set up but haven’t said that we do look directionless at the moment which of course is on Gatlin’s coaching.
we all understand that they are building and they brought the fight.
Certainly do it just doesn’t seam like there’s a clear plan atm that’s all
Gatland and Howley’s management style of ‘my way or the highway’ is doomed to failure this time for these reasons: 1. We're losing every game 2. The players know that Gatland’s style is out of date. 3. The players know that Gatland is picking the wrong players. This losing streak will continue until Gatland goes
I’m really hopeful can turn things around, but I’m not sure whether that’s just blind. Hope rather than realistic 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastwell, we’re both helping you’re right!
Not only is Gats completely out of date with his game plan, he ignores genuinely good players in order to pick people out of position. He ignores: Nicky Smith Rhys Carre Botha Parry Morris Edwards Kieran Williams Max Llewllyn Owen Williams Jarrod Evans Dan John To name just a few.
Yeah, Fairpoint 👏🏼
Gatland is a bloody joke. He’s genuinely dreadful. It’s that simple. AND, since Howley has returned we have looked significantly worse.
It has been worse since Howley came back, but whether that’s just coincidence I don’t know
As an old man who has watched one too many games of rugby I say this. This young Welsh side will build into a competitive unit by the next World Cup. Lake, Williams, Costello, Bevan, Wainright, Thomas and the new 12 are all world class players. Add the players returning and you have the spine of a final four team going into WC2027.
That’s a fair point my worry is the fans just stop watching over the next year two and don’t come back by the time the World Cup comes around
As a Saffa I really enjoyed the brutal honesty. But this was a brilliant show of where your youngsters where going, especially in the first half👌🏾
Thank you, my friend. Very kind of you to say. There’s no way to sugarcoat it if I’m being totally honest😂 Agreed, some young players showing promise but it’s clear we still have a really long way to go
I thought Wales did well in spots, and we weren't particularly wonderful. Video ref seemed to have a problem with his eyesight.. They'll get better, and probably give the Aussies a thumping.
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Dyslexia, sorry 😂
From SA. Wales are young and building phase. Wales will be there in few years abs ready for next WC
Gatland is a coach devoid of ideas.
I’m not sure what he’s trying to achieve at the moment, and that’s what’s worrying😬
He’s terrible. His coaching is completely out of date.
Too?
Dyslexia, sorry 😂
First time listening to you, mate your good! Keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you my friend. Very kind of you to say. I hope to see you back again 👍🏼🏴
Incredibly objective analysis. A small rugby nation like Wales (population size) punches way above its weight, historically. It's a slump in time for Wales. The best teams all go through it.
Very kind of you to see, thank you. Yeah, I’m not usually as negative on this channel but I just found that game awfully difficult to watch as I don’t see a clear path for us to improve as things currently stand. Cheers for watching 👍🏼
While watching the game as a boks. I noticed a strange thing. Usually South Africa tries to slow things down, set piece and scrums, rucks and mauls. But I got the feeling Wales were the ones killing the speed deliberately. Very strange, not the Wales I know 🤷
Damage control I think my friend😬😂
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast We were there too. As long as there is passion, this too shall pass 😁
Wales is doomed I’m afraid, when you combine A group of players who lack the required talent for international games with a board who gladly sacrificed their nations Identity on the alter of Accusations….you end up in a creek without a paddle. We are going to go another 20 year drought thanks those at the WRU. We are so racist that Ashley Williams (a Black man) was our football captain for nigh on a decade and Taulupe Faletau had how many caps? Welsh rugby is DONE!!!
Such a big difference in mindset between us South Africans and the Welch. I truly believe we will win the URC next year and have 3 teams in the semis. Believe we will take the next world cup aswell. Yes yes we are that arrogant but surely you guys must start to believe. For the last few years Wales was the game I got very nervous about. We won by a point here and a point there with good sides. And we got lucky at times aswell. No sorry I just can't see it same way as you guys...you are much better then you think. Change your mindset. How lucky were we in this world cup...but you create your own luck
@wales I’m not really sure I understand the “racist” part of your comment?
As a South African and Springbok supporter I have no liking for Warren Gatland, HOWEVER, don't judge him too harshly. His records speak for itself. He has a keen eye for talent, and he is rebuilding now. Just remember that it is not going to be an overnight fix. The players are VERY INEXPERIENCED at international level. They will need time to play together, to build trust and to create that bonds that will make them gel. Wales will become a force again. Give him the time to build that. Judge him by the next world cup. As despondent as the Wales supporters feel now, they will rejoice again. There is a lot of problems in WRU, the best players is mostly not available. WRU needs to change the eligibility rules so that all Wales players qualify. Warren Gatland's hands are tied, and should he fail, it wouldn't be his fault.
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
I'm South African with a rather diluted drop of 1820 Welsh in my veins. Don't punish yourselves so, it's not necessary. These are vastly inexperienced players and they will grow and become a world class factor again! I mean, Etzebeth for instance has more test matches under his belt than the whole of your scrum together. Give your guys a break, give them a couple of seasons to develop. ... and let rugby in Wales win!
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
Hey bro! Fantastic review as always! The shoreline was actually more flattering towards us than I expected but the performance was absolute hoop. Only 1 clean line break, basic handling errors, horrendous decision making in attack and numerous other facets of the game made us look like a tier 2 team. Costelow is NOT the guy for us. He does naff all. Give him the boot and let Beetham have a go. I think people saw in this game what I’ve said about Winnet from the start. He offers zero in attack. He’s very much like halfpenny in that he is fairly solid under the high ball but that is literally it. In attack we play with 14 men. Grady is probably the best winger in Wales. PLAY HIM ON THE WING. Get Eddie James in the centre. He looked alright when he came on in my opinion. One thing that’s a positive is Dewi lake. He proved that he is a quality player. The drop off from him to our 2nd choice hooker (whoever the hell that is) is massive. Our props are garbage. They got lucky that the ref didn’t penalise them at every scrum. I don’t think they took a forward step at all. Gareth Davies has totally lost it. Fumbling the ball at the base of rucks, EVERY box kick was way too long and that little chip Into the in goal area when we were on their 5m line was poo. I was screaming at him through my tv for that. Gatland has lost the confidence and respect from his players IMO. He has to go because it seems like the boys just don’t want to be involved. Feyi-Waboso choosing England over wales. LRZ leaving for the NFL. Players retiring when they are still the first choice pick in their position. Playing having “breaks” from playing (Elias, Rowlands). And now this thing with Sam Parry. Players should want to drop everything to get another cap and represent Wales. But it seems like the atmosphere is poor in the camp and guys just want to leave. I have no idea what to expect from the Aus tour but I know that if we somehow win all 3 games, that’s probably the worst outcome for us in the long run as it further papers over the gaping cracks in the WRU.
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
This Wales team is rebuilding, I’m a Springbok supporter and felt the same way in 2016-2017, 2 years later we were wc champs! Wales will come right!
Hope so mate! The Ireland Vs. Saffas matches will no doubt be absolutely fantastic. Our matches with Oz probably less so 😁
I really hope so, mate. Good luck in the summer. Cheers👍🏼
So are you saying Wales will win the next World Cup? Is that it?😂
@@gopolanglekoto2019 world cup we beat them 19 - 16 in the semis and we were lucky there. So why not? They don't lose by 50..they lose by a bounce of the ball. That changes with momentum and believe
@@dn822 And we beat them by an even bigger margin over the weekend. 2019 is 5 years ago now. How long are they “rebuilding”? They had 2 World Cups to rebuild already. SA rebuilds every 2 years ready for next World Cup. I don’t think Wales is getting better, my friend. I think things are stale there because of Warren Gatland and it’s a shame. They should release him and truly start rebuilding.
Roedd hwn caled i wylio ! Yn hanner y cyntaf roeddwn ni'n chwarae'n dda. Ond yn hanner yr ail, aeth y Boks yn "gear" nesa, chaethon ni ddim plan o gwbl. Chwaraeodd Williams yn iawn, ond does dim ddigon.
Gwaith galed I gwilio 🥹
Taken the words out of my mouth! No idea what the gameplan is and im fed up of being "brave in defeat" or "this is a young side they'll learn". Something seriously wrong with Gatland and this current camp
Yep, the unlucky losers is okay but only for a short amount of time we have to start seeing some progression forward because at the moment we seem to be getting worse not better
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Just seen the squad announcement for the Australian tour - only 3 Ospreys players making the cut and taking Hill over Ratti? Gatlands actions aren't matching his words!