That's great for the 12 people that have a Pi5....
@hakunamatata32410 минут бұрын
microSD era is long gone. I also stopped using USB stick coz NVMe is a lot cheaper now and so much faster.
@TheScrider16 минут бұрын
did anyone try with nvidia geforce?
@Chris...S17 минут бұрын
Raspberry Pi lost me when they didn't add an eMMC on the PI 5. So may other great SBC that include an eMMC.
@kwinzman19 минут бұрын
Pi5 is so bad. It was basically obsolete on release.
@acubley34 минут бұрын
I haven't used SD, except on the Zeros, since the Pi3B went USB boot. It's much more reliable and convenient. I tried using the USB3 SanDisk Fits, but they used plastic instead of metal sheaths and over heated. They'd work fine in the USB2 ports but of course were sloooooooow. Waiting on Samsung to make a 1TB Bar drive.
@burnte37 минут бұрын
I truly laughed out loud at the segue joke. You did it perfectly.
@MrSaydo1739 минут бұрын
That would have been a good segue tho
@gren9942 минут бұрын
If the nvme hat works with the mythic POE hat, I’d be replacing my older pi’s in a New York minute. Especially if you can cram them all in a case.
@sebastien79a44 минут бұрын
Pimoroni NVMe *dual* slot option says it won't boot due to PCIe switch on there. Would be good to have a solution as you talked about :)
@peterblaikie374450 минут бұрын
Jeff I liked how to mentioned Chris at Explaining Computers. Between the both of you I learned enough to get my PI4 running and enjoy all the tips and advice as well as the product reviews.
@nikolaievans2432Сағат бұрын
Honestly i would buy it if the batteries were not a bomb with no failsafes
@TT-it9ggСағат бұрын
Way to go! But for TCO, performance, efficiency, and AI, Pi 4 and 5 are far behind.... To run OpenCV DNN, no NPU, the stock RK3588's CPU is ten times more performance and efficiency than Pi4B 2.2Ghz.
@TheMrBrianhСағат бұрын
@2:11...Proof that Jeff has watched too much LTT.
@frumbertСағат бұрын
MicroSD is super fiddly and annoying but sure has its place. For instance, it's significantly more resiliant in high-g or rotational environments. I use them in POV led displays, sometimes with pi zero, so these things are spinning at thousands of RPM - any additional mass introduces problems, particularly with more complex connectors. I mean I love the m.2 2230 size and capability, but it's compartively heavy - so in autonomous micro drones where ever gram counts, even the chunky connector adds more weight than the thin metal plate that can secure a micro sd.
@Santor-Сағат бұрын
What is the most compact NVME adapter for the Pi Zero 2w? Dual for mirroring preferably.
@alch3myauСағат бұрын
k. Find me a microSD to M2 adaptor wise guy
@icns01Сағат бұрын
Ah yes.... "Greed is good!"... Where did i hear that...🤔
@paladingeorge6098Сағат бұрын
I don't have the official nvme hat, but I just bought an Argon40 Neo 5 NVME case and it works beautifully with a 1TB Samsung 990! Just in case anybody is wondering. I kind of figured running a Pi 5 natively on an NVME drive was going to be awesome but I am genuinely impressed with how good a solution it is.
@YannMetalheadСағат бұрын
Good video.
@woovieeСағат бұрын
This video had some nice editing, reminded me of Internet Shaquille.
@CedroCronСағат бұрын
Thanks for explaining all this Jeff. Much appreciated.
@ahuachapan2Сағат бұрын
I only use pen and paper to save my personal data.
@JeffGeerlingСағат бұрын
Ol' reliable! Question is, fountain or ballpoint?
@mrlately72532 сағат бұрын
That was an ltt level segway😂
@toddbu-WK7L2 сағат бұрын
You lost me at “active cooling”
@harshbarj2 сағат бұрын
It's been time for a decade already! Using a TF card is fine for something quick, but for anything long term you want a more stable storage solution.
@Chiberia2 сағат бұрын
The challenge is NVMe requires a PCIe interface - that's... a lot. Both in terms of power and bandwidth. Keep in mind that a single NVMe lane is what often powers an entire JBOD for most servers. I'm sure hoping it continues to grow, but it's built on top of tech that hasn't really grown in decades.
@AngelaTheSephira2 сағат бұрын
I will do this when NVMe SSDs aren't overpriced and starting at 75 USD for a 128 GB model.
@JeffGeerlingСағат бұрын
There are plenty 2242 drives I own that I bought for $20-30, even the nicer Pinedrove SSDs are only like $50. The Cytron MakerDisk ones are $36 I think. Options are more available today than a couple years ago, at least for 128, 256, and 512 GB
@MegaBlox_YT2 сағат бұрын
Good Video 🔥
@MegaBlox_YT2 сағат бұрын
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@moogs2 сағат бұрын
2.5 should be the default for all hardware these days
@shanealexander99522 сағат бұрын
Yes! Wouldn't it be cool to have an external nvme ssd slot replace the microsd! I know it can be done.
@JeffGeerlingСағат бұрын
Yes. Maybe on Pi 6?
@mrw11602 сағат бұрын
Can it talk back to you like Hal?
@trcwm2 сағат бұрын
How fast do the PIs boot with NVMe?
@AntonioCunningham2 сағат бұрын
I feel clickbaited:-( I thought this was making the case for nvme to become the next expandable storage medium. I didn't consider this was only talking about small computers (like the to Raspberry Pi)
@ChoppedWheat2 сағат бұрын
Anyone know if the new hat works with the drives with Phison controllers that some of the first 3rd party boards didn't work with.
@xani6663 сағат бұрын
I'm gonna say that not including nvme socket on new rPi was an error. It's already outside of the realm of "cheap" like previous iterations were. And it just makes builds with nvme more complicated.
@thegreeneyej3 сағат бұрын
The next PiX00 keyboard computer, should be based on the Compute Module with pci / NVMe. That way it can be “upgraded “.
@danieladelodun95473 сағат бұрын
1:10 I wish you released this video 2 days ago!! Bought a 22pin 0.5 FFC to connect a Pi Zero to an Arducam camera with a ‘micro’/zero sized camera connector. Wasn’t a pi branded cable just a random FFC… Didn’t think to check this!
@stinkycheese8043 сағат бұрын
Do you know what idiots do? They tell you to spend a lot more money, for performance gains you don't need, in order to keep doing the things you are already doing without any problems. Use a simple, inexpensive Pi and kludge all that up with your array of SSDs? Dumb.
@frankoconnor8063 сағат бұрын
Thanks Jeff great concise content
@fredashay3 сағат бұрын
Make these removable like USB thumbsticks and micro SD cards, and these will take off.
@JeffGeerling3 сағат бұрын
CFExpress is that... but considerably more expensive than normal M.2 :(
@fredashay2 сағат бұрын
@@JeffGeerling If it's any good, early adopters will start using it, and that will push prices down until it becomes mass market.
@michaellegg93813 сағат бұрын
I guess im lucky to be alive then 😮🤔🤔 i have climbed tower's exactly like this as a kid in the late 80's and through to the mid 90's!! I guess i must have been very lucky to have found a non functional or abandoned radio station tower.. and i know it was a radio station tower because it was in the yard for fm 105.5 in Brisbane Queensland Australia 🦘 and it looked exactly like this complete with the concrete stand and straps. And looked rundown and roughly painted ect.
@JeffGeerling3 сағат бұрын
You may have been lucky and climbed an FM tower, which is only putting out a lot of RF at the antennas.
@michaellegg93812 сағат бұрын
@@JeffGeerling probably 😆 or i wouldn't be typing about it. Or it was decommissioned. AM radio isn't much of a thing in Australia anymore. Even back then there was only a handful of AM stations and most migrated to FM radio around the 90's even now no matter where you are around Australia if you auto scan channels you only get 3 or 4 AM stations in total. BBC Radio and ABC Radio SBS radio and a couple of stray channels. 99% of radio around Australia is all FM radio
@gordslater3 сағат бұрын
Meh - Compact Flash is where it's at daddy-o. That what all the cool kids are tripping, swinging their pants and lovin the spoonfull. This modern tech will never catch on. Hmm 12 quid? OK, I'm sold. There's a a bucketload of 128GB and 256GB ebay pulls that will plug right in and cost almost nothing.
@sportbikeguy98753 сағат бұрын
What was that 8w 4 drive NAS board???? I want one lol
@JeffGeerling3 сағат бұрын
Geekworm X1011
@Mbro-dq2do3 сағат бұрын
So bad ass Jeff. Youre a g-d damn genius dude
@Suzukii-Krypto3 сағат бұрын
I don't get why we are even still discussing PCIe Gen. 2 or Gen. 3 in this day and age.
@matt_f3 сағат бұрын
Linus would be proud of your "segway" lol
@StarFox19883 сағат бұрын
that "sponsor segue" was hilarious🤣 - but with all the options, it's hard to chose one that I like the most. it'll greatly depend on what I'm wanting to do. HOWEVER, this opened the door wide open for Windows on ARM - I had a ""decent"" experinece with it using a USB to NVME adapter on a 4 with 8GB of RAM but having an NVME on a 5? that little machine will probably do much better.
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That's great for the 12 people that have a Pi5....
microSD era is long gone. I also stopped using USB stick coz NVMe is a lot cheaper now and so much faster.
did anyone try with nvidia geforce?
Raspberry Pi lost me when they didn't add an eMMC on the PI 5. So may other great SBC that include an eMMC.
Pi5 is so bad. It was basically obsolete on release.
I haven't used SD, except on the Zeros, since the Pi3B went USB boot. It's much more reliable and convenient. I tried using the USB3 SanDisk Fits, but they used plastic instead of metal sheaths and over heated. They'd work fine in the USB2 ports but of course were sloooooooow. Waiting on Samsung to make a 1TB Bar drive.
I truly laughed out loud at the segue joke. You did it perfectly.
That would have been a good segue tho
If the nvme hat works with the mythic POE hat, I’d be replacing my older pi’s in a New York minute. Especially if you can cram them all in a case.
Pimoroni NVMe *dual* slot option says it won't boot due to PCIe switch on there. Would be good to have a solution as you talked about :)
Jeff I liked how to mentioned Chris at Explaining Computers. Between the both of you I learned enough to get my PI4 running and enjoy all the tips and advice as well as the product reviews.
Honestly i would buy it if the batteries were not a bomb with no failsafes
Way to go! But for TCO, performance, efficiency, and AI, Pi 4 and 5 are far behind.... To run OpenCV DNN, no NPU, the stock RK3588's CPU is ten times more performance and efficiency than Pi4B 2.2Ghz.
@2:11...Proof that Jeff has watched too much LTT.
MicroSD is super fiddly and annoying but sure has its place. For instance, it's significantly more resiliant in high-g or rotational environments. I use them in POV led displays, sometimes with pi zero, so these things are spinning at thousands of RPM - any additional mass introduces problems, particularly with more complex connectors. I mean I love the m.2 2230 size and capability, but it's compartively heavy - so in autonomous micro drones where ever gram counts, even the chunky connector adds more weight than the thin metal plate that can secure a micro sd.
What is the most compact NVME adapter for the Pi Zero 2w? Dual for mirroring preferably.
k. Find me a microSD to M2 adaptor wise guy
Ah yes.... "Greed is good!"... Where did i hear that...🤔
I don't have the official nvme hat, but I just bought an Argon40 Neo 5 NVME case and it works beautifully with a 1TB Samsung 990! Just in case anybody is wondering. I kind of figured running a Pi 5 natively on an NVME drive was going to be awesome but I am genuinely impressed with how good a solution it is.
Good video.
This video had some nice editing, reminded me of Internet Shaquille.
Thanks for explaining all this Jeff. Much appreciated.
I only use pen and paper to save my personal data.
Ol' reliable! Question is, fountain or ballpoint?
That was an ltt level segway😂
You lost me at “active cooling”
It's been time for a decade already! Using a TF card is fine for something quick, but for anything long term you want a more stable storage solution.
The challenge is NVMe requires a PCIe interface - that's... a lot. Both in terms of power and bandwidth. Keep in mind that a single NVMe lane is what often powers an entire JBOD for most servers. I'm sure hoping it continues to grow, but it's built on top of tech that hasn't really grown in decades.
I will do this when NVMe SSDs aren't overpriced and starting at 75 USD for a 128 GB model.
There are plenty 2242 drives I own that I bought for $20-30, even the nicer Pinedrove SSDs are only like $50. The Cytron MakerDisk ones are $36 I think. Options are more available today than a couple years ago, at least for 128, 256, and 512 GB
Good Video 🔥
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2.5 should be the default for all hardware these days
Yes! Wouldn't it be cool to have an external nvme ssd slot replace the microsd! I know it can be done.
Yes. Maybe on Pi 6?
Can it talk back to you like Hal?
How fast do the PIs boot with NVMe?
I feel clickbaited:-( I thought this was making the case for nvme to become the next expandable storage medium. I didn't consider this was only talking about small computers (like the to Raspberry Pi)
Anyone know if the new hat works with the drives with Phison controllers that some of the first 3rd party boards didn't work with.
I'm gonna say that not including nvme socket on new rPi was an error. It's already outside of the realm of "cheap" like previous iterations were. And it just makes builds with nvme more complicated.
The next PiX00 keyboard computer, should be based on the Compute Module with pci / NVMe. That way it can be “upgraded “.
1:10 I wish you released this video 2 days ago!! Bought a 22pin 0.5 FFC to connect a Pi Zero to an Arducam camera with a ‘micro’/zero sized camera connector. Wasn’t a pi branded cable just a random FFC… Didn’t think to check this!
Do you know what idiots do? They tell you to spend a lot more money, for performance gains you don't need, in order to keep doing the things you are already doing without any problems. Use a simple, inexpensive Pi and kludge all that up with your array of SSDs? Dumb.
Thanks Jeff great concise content
Make these removable like USB thumbsticks and micro SD cards, and these will take off.
CFExpress is that... but considerably more expensive than normal M.2 :(
@@JeffGeerling If it's any good, early adopters will start using it, and that will push prices down until it becomes mass market.
I guess im lucky to be alive then 😮🤔🤔 i have climbed tower's exactly like this as a kid in the late 80's and through to the mid 90's!! I guess i must have been very lucky to have found a non functional or abandoned radio station tower.. and i know it was a radio station tower because it was in the yard for fm 105.5 in Brisbane Queensland Australia 🦘 and it looked exactly like this complete with the concrete stand and straps. And looked rundown and roughly painted ect.
You may have been lucky and climbed an FM tower, which is only putting out a lot of RF at the antennas.
@@JeffGeerling probably 😆 or i wouldn't be typing about it. Or it was decommissioned. AM radio isn't much of a thing in Australia anymore. Even back then there was only a handful of AM stations and most migrated to FM radio around the 90's even now no matter where you are around Australia if you auto scan channels you only get 3 or 4 AM stations in total. BBC Radio and ABC Radio SBS radio and a couple of stray channels. 99% of radio around Australia is all FM radio
Meh - Compact Flash is where it's at daddy-o. That what all the cool kids are tripping, swinging their pants and lovin the spoonfull. This modern tech will never catch on. Hmm 12 quid? OK, I'm sold. There's a a bucketload of 128GB and 256GB ebay pulls that will plug right in and cost almost nothing.
What was that 8w 4 drive NAS board???? I want one lol
Geekworm X1011
So bad ass Jeff. Youre a g-d damn genius dude
I don't get why we are even still discussing PCIe Gen. 2 or Gen. 3 in this day and age.
Linus would be proud of your "segway" lol
that "sponsor segue" was hilarious🤣 - but with all the options, it's hard to chose one that I like the most. it'll greatly depend on what I'm wanting to do. HOWEVER, this opened the door wide open for Windows on ARM - I had a ""decent"" experinece with it using a USB to NVME adapter on a 4 with 8GB of RAM but having an NVME on a 5? that little machine will probably do much better.
2:15 linus is that you?