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  @ClavineumКүн бұрын

  Awesome 🤩 Absolutely authentic! 👏 Congratulations! 🎉 I agree to all harmonic changes. Like a cloudy heaven penetrated by the sun more or less. So the character changes with every chord. No boring impressions. Continue in this way!

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  @unequally-tempered4 сағат бұрын

  kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGxty6qahLCYlpc.html is a recent recording on an 1859 Broadwood which you might find interesting to compare

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  @timm884202 күн бұрын

  Such bold and blanket statements. Most people learn how to use their apps properly and adjust their tuning technique to get the best tunings from them. Also not all apps are made the same. If your statements were true then phone app tuners would have been put out of business decades ago, but many billion happy customers have decided that is not that case and clearly disprove your bold statements.

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  @chrisvesty5 күн бұрын

  The thing is, whether you're using a hardware device or a phone app, it's still software. On the app it's loaded from the App Store onto a memory chip, on the TLA it's preloaded onto a chip. The TLA is a specialist device with software designed just do this one task, whereas the phone, tablet, or iPod is a multipurpose device that's typically very overpowered for the task of tuning a piano. I've found that careful positioning of the phone removes the delay you're describing, although I haven't used Verituner (it looks like that's the app you're using), I've had great results with Tunelab, Pianoscope and Cybertuner in a range of settings.

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  @unequally-tempered6 күн бұрын

  Yes! I know! But for me this particular model gives me control which can make a C3 sound like a Bosendorfer!

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  @douglasschmidt46057 күн бұрын

  Maybe holding your tuning hammer in the right position might help?

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  Thanks. Yes often I do go to the 5 past the hour position avoiding any chance of pin wobble but ergonomics are often part of what enables one to have a physical feel of behaviour of the pins and to react and set them accordingly. Often one does things intuitively which one doesn’t explain and here the focus is on ETD speed in the feedback loop from pitch change to mechanical reaction and adjustment on the lever. A delay is a barrier to getting it right with impact upon working speed and frustration

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  @howtotunepianosbymarkceris29227 күн бұрын

  What strobe is that? iStroboSoft?

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  The app or the machine? The apps are all the same in their delay. The machine isn’t an iMachine - it’s analogue based on 1970s analogue circuitry, a TLA or Jain CTS5 from Germany

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  @howtotunepianosbymarkceris29226 күн бұрын

  I tune by ear and apps definitely don’t follow what I hear. All analog? Where can you buy them?

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  @unequally-tempered6 күн бұрын

  @@howtotunepianosbymarkceris2922 I’m glad someone else has felt this! This machine actually parallels what one hears and I find it to be a helpful partnership between eye and ear and bringing better criticality in what I hear. I bought mine on eBay but new they are available through Thomann.. www.tuning-set.de

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  @cornet6006 күн бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered Cts5 is an old tuner with 4 stretches on it ( not usable) Search Stopper pure twelfts, btw if you can tune unisons and stretch the octaves like it should you can get the harmonics perfect on a line en shift the basic tone.That's it.

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  @tbrantigan7 күн бұрын

  Couldn't understand the name of your stroboscopic machine?

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  It’s a TLA CTS5 www.tuning-set.de

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  @dsummerhays7 күн бұрын

  I’m not sure how to read your machine though.

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  @davidpinnegar55067 күн бұрын

  It’s stroboscopic so left movement is flat and right movement is sharp but it does more. It’s like seeing the signal on an oscilloscope so the analogue led dots are able to tell us things about the amplitude of the wave. There are normally two lines showing for the wave so that’s two wavelengths long. When there are fewer dots lit than unlit we can tell that the signal is weak and we can see harmonics running through the waveform if they are a inharmonic frequency. It’s simple and intuitive when you work with it and it’s a great partner to the ears. Sometimes a phase change will show as reversal of position of the light and the dark sections and one sees it flip and one can then understand what one’s hearing too. Tuning has become for me not entirely ETD reliant and not entirely ear reliant but a good partnership of the two and depending on what works for the instrument. Sorry if this response is a bit rambling

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  @holmespianotuning7 күн бұрын

  I’m glad you’ve used one of those apps with that dreadful radiation symbol style display as an example. I had quite an argument with someone on a forum about how this was a meritless display design. The straightforward linear strobe is a much more logical and scientific design. Having said that none of this applies to the organ which can successfully be tuned with apps because there isn’t the problem of the attack and string tension.

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  @Irsyadandthejammers8 күн бұрын

  Bro That Reminds Me The Jammers As When There Younger

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  @ScottWayneJackson10 күн бұрын

  Meanwhile some of us have been doing this professionally every day since, and then getting on with actually playing music rather than wanking around with some bizarre idea of how things should be done.

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  Haha. It gets me places .

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  @ScottWayneJackson10 күн бұрын

  So here we are, 13 years later. Did you ever get it tuned to your liking? I doubt it.

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  Oh yes. And to the liking of the most discerning pianists and composers internationally.

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  @ScottWayneJackson10 күн бұрын

  Oh dear 😢

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  @davidpinnegar55067 күн бұрын

  :-) This was a very long time ago! Time brings experience

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  @oldfashionedphil10 күн бұрын

  Most interesting. I like very much the tone of this, very English? I have read that this is a good era for the marque. Thanks very much for posting.

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  @unequally-tempered7 күн бұрын

  Yes. I like the Broadwood sound and you’ll hear more if you search Broadwood 1859

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  @ZhannaKemp12 күн бұрын

  Couperin. Cuckoos ?

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  @unequally-tempered12 күн бұрын

  It's Le Coucou by Daquin

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  @ZhannaKemp12 күн бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered thank you

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  @fensteroffen13 күн бұрын

  this sounds so clear and at ease

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  @namenlos257817 күн бұрын

  Beethoven in 1802 was already severely deaf

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  @unequally-tempered17 күн бұрын

  Well this then is how everyone else would have heard it at the time

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  @namenlos257817 күн бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered That sounds better. We are more lucky than they were, by the way. Indeed, Beethoven was looking forward to having more colorful and potent pianos than those available at his time

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  @weatheranddarknessАй бұрын

  None of these sound all that great in this recording, but I'm not going to speculate about why, there's something about the presentation that feels unclear. I do really like the double bass tone from the Audiovector and Voigt Horn on the jungly portion of the track (where the bass is playing under the "amen break")

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  @unequally-temperedАй бұрын

  I think it's likely to be on account of the large acoustic of the room. The TP1s, Panasona should be positioned in a corner, so these aren't the fairest comparisons and the Voigt horn should really have a Lowther unit rather than Audio Nirvana. The original TP1 with PM5 has a hard foam surround which I think is audible in this test. The Audiovector is one of my favourites especially with a 45 degree reflector for treble on the top. Listening through headphones I find the Tannoy Lynx to be clean. The Voigt bass is interesting and I think you're right about the Audiovector bass. In live listening perhaps this is the speaker which gives that "live" performance sound. Possibly the TP1 London is the most "polite"?

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  @Puran.Ай бұрын

  New subscriber here from india ❤😊

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  @unequally-temperedАй бұрын

  Great and welcome to a soundworld which might inspire!

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  @Puran.Ай бұрын

  Best i like it sir

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  @unequally-temperedАй бұрын

  Thanks so much and great that what we do at Hammerwood can inspire!

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  @georgetaslev7398Ай бұрын

  UET is so beautiful, colorful full of character and variety of expressions. You mentioned that the piano got 6 dB louder just from the tuning. That only means that there are more sympathetic resonances as well! The ET is just boringly sterile.

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  @TestGearJunkie.Ай бұрын

  The D202 isn't the parliament microphone, that's the D222, a later model that is very similar but has a different frequency response. I do love the 202 though, still have one and it's still brilliant..!

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  @unequally-temperedАй бұрын

  ;-) Aah! Thanks for pointing this out. I thought the D222 and D202 were virtually identical. In my experience it's very difficult to find a D222 working properly. :-(

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  @TestGearJunkie.Ай бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered I used to see the D202 a lot in the 70's, it was the stalwart of BBC local radio back then. I knew a guy who was a DJ on Radio Birmingham as it then was, and I spent many happy hours in Pebble Mill before the Birmingham pub bombings ruined it with the extended security they then put in place. I forgot to mention one thing though, the D202 was primarily a speech microphone, it was never really intended for music, although it does work well with drums.

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  @angelisraelgarcia77892 ай бұрын

  too beautiful

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  @board16662 ай бұрын

  childhood..

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  @litz132 ай бұрын

  128' sounds like a triple expansion steamship engine

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  @EugeneElch2 ай бұрын

  Great review. Thank you. What's that playing?

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  Which mic do you prefer? This recording is from the recital kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2GpqpaSdZCnYso.html . It's the first of the Chopin Ballades. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqyd0sqTZ8mtgZM.html is a better pianist playing this.

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  Fantastic performances, but I'm not sure why you would tune Eb-G# meantone and include a piece in Ab major, a key you don't even have access to (perhaps the other two pieces were prioritised, and indeed Eb-G# is usually a fine compass for most pieces in D minor). An Ab and Db would surely help with Haydn's intensions (even if there are some very interesting sounds in the middle, some of course sweet and others sourer. Very interesting to look at as a tempering of 7-limit JI)

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  I like to encourage experiment with Meantone just to try. It's a bit of a litmus test and if you go from the Meantone version back to the same piece early in a "civilised" temperament one starts to hear things that before one might have overlooked. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGxty6qahLCYlpc.html might be interesting in modified Kirnberger III and kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXyrrrWektPcdZs.html , kzread.info/dash/bejne/omiC0seoftOqf6Q.html in my standard tuning might be of interest together with kzread.info/dash/bejne/c3x1vMycgNDaotY.html . 7 limit JI sounds interesting - has it been used for keyboard temperament with classical repertoire?

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered I've done plenty of experimentation with meantone, in different transpositions of the usual 12-tone chains of 1/3-, 2/7-, 1/4-, 1/5- and 1/6-comma, and also in longer chains of 19 notes of 1/3-comma (19-equal is mighty close), 2/7-, 1/4-comma, 31 notes of 1/4-comma (31-equal is mighty close), 43 notes of 1/5-comma (43-equal), and 55 notes of 1/6-comma (55-equal) on digital instruments with more keys to the octave. Meantone kicks ass on harpsichords almost all of the time, but I've found it ruining the aesthetic of more modern piano repertoire, with a bit of a clash between the timbre and tuning. Most of the time a well-temperament sounds more stylistically appropriate for later repertoire, but almost anything up through Mozart or so works pretty darn well in meantone, with some Beethoven appropriate in 1/6-comma. Of course Leopold and Wolfgang Mozart, and Telemann all recommended 1/6-comma as a tuning model, with 9 commas to the tone, this distinguishing pairs like F#/Gb by a comma. 2.3.7 JI (without any ratios of 5) have been used extensively on acoustic pianos by La Monte Young and Michael Harrison. But the full 2.3.5.7 group is really too chock full of good ratios to get much out of in only 12 notes. One way is to subtly temper the duodene, or not temper it at all, and hear the outer ratios of 128:225 and 64:75 "as" 4:7 and 6:7 respectively. Then one has a very slightly tempered 4:5:6:7 on Db and Ab in the usual transposition. The fewer of the usual musical commas one tempers out in the tuning, the less useful it is for modern music which makes use of so many different equivalences. However, without tempering out 80:81 as in meantone, it is very difficult to play much music after about 1450 without many more keys to the octave, and some perhaps unusual comma shifts (I have tried, and it is a lot of fun to play virtually in JI with 53 notes to the octave)

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  I certainly wouldn't use any 7-limit JI tunings for classical repertoire, but you might find some mad folks out there...

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  @@camtaylormusic Haha! Agreed :-) However what I'm doing is really exploring how to get the instrument and the music sounding both beautiful and meaningful.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  @@camtaylormusic Your work is really brilliant and for anyone following this thread, head over to cametaylor.wixsite.com/home/post/microtonality-in-55-keys-the-first-book . Perhaps it might be great to be in touch on email - I'm on [email protected]

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  Gorgeous, especially the Liszt! Woah.

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  Curious about which unequal temperament is used here and how to tune it, quite brilliant and clear, but no thirds sound quite as large as pythagorean (Db and Gb are pretty close though)? Sounds like it's in quite a balanced zone. Great demo anyway.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  Thanks. This is Kellner as I’ve come to tame it. Look up Madeleine Brown unequal temperament and you’ll find an interesting recital and also 1859 Broadwood unequal temperament.

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  Would be nice to know the temperament and hear the other keys. Eb major is uncharacteristically sweet here.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  Yes you’re right. One would expect Eb to G to be quite wide but interestingly Eb is the key of the Magic Flute. The temperament is based on Kellner and this shifts the preference to F rather than C and Bb D is quite smooth too. Works well with brass instruments. Eb will be intermediate and with Ab, the key of putrefaction and death, the worst. It has taken me years since this recording to tame Ab

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered So this is essentially Kellner rotated by a fifth? F 1/5 C 1/5 G 1/5 D 1/5 A 0 E 1/5 B 0 F# 0 C# 0 G# 0 Eb 0 Bb 0 F? Wouldn't F# major be the most striking, in exact pythagorean, while Db has its seventh slightly sweetened, and Ab its third and seventh sweetened?

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  No - this is based on Kellner as Kellner specified. Rather than giving favour to C Kellner gave preference to F. Try Kellner and yo might find it interesting. Taming unequal temperament to give consistent results across instruments is a challenge and has taken years for me but can be done

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  @camtaylormusic2 ай бұрын

  @@unequally-tempered so just confirming this is as usual F 0 C 1/5 G 1/5 D 1/5 A 1/5 E 0 B 1/5 F# 0 C# 0 G# 0 Eb 0 Bb 0 F I notice some of your videos say "modified" Kellner, but do you explain how you've modified it anywhere? Happy to read any resources if you have them.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  The modification is the methodology used to apply it to the piano to achieve consistent results. It took a dozen years of research and experiment of which this concert was part and five years to nail down a perfection. You’ll find “Yamaha C3 unequal temperament “ interesting

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  @teslastellar2 ай бұрын

  Thanks for the comparison 👍

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  @Duracellmumus2 ай бұрын

  In live show i used one d202cs on large petrof piano. The mic placed from keyboard center paralel with strings. Built in high pass rolled some than i going to find and cut an low hump on FOH console. No more processing. It take an easy win on earthworks and audio-technica condenser mics. The performer geting as high as grab and kiss my hands after the show.

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  @themukhtalef2 ай бұрын

  ❤❤❤

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  @michaelw65542 ай бұрын

  I've never heard any Yamaha sound that lovely.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  :-) Thanks - it's all about getting the vibrations to be working with each other rather than against each other. Perhaps you might enjoy kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zo6do9mFo6jgetI.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIytz9emnJOZoKg.html which is a C3 in concert in a particularly unforgiving acoustic.

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  @lawrencejuanlin91132 ай бұрын

  So sweet sounding 🎉❤

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  @MATEUSGENTE2 ай бұрын

  Listening like this, I hear the design of the piece happening in such a way as to reveal the full color of the tonality. Bach is immeasurable. Very good!!

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  @journeymancellist92472 ай бұрын

  Love the camera work. Set it and forget it.

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  It's the music that counts!

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  @noshirm62852 ай бұрын

  The Bechstein.

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  @nigelburge36133 ай бұрын

  Modified Kirnberger III temperament

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  @unequally-tempered2 ай бұрын

  Thanks so much. Very interesting. The full recording is on kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5Zkm7OEqcjLo7A.html.

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  @nigelburge36132 ай бұрын

  ​ Many thanks 😊

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  @Ianmcf3 ай бұрын

  Wow! It sounds great. Could you explain how the tuning system works?

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  The passion for this style of tuning comes from my experience of 19th century instruments. Look up "1859 Broadwood" "1819 Broadwood" "Richard Burnett Memorial Concert" where you'll find the 1802 Stodart and 1854 Emerich Betsy. Tuning systems with lots of perfect fifths are key.

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  @Alco16-251F3 ай бұрын

  This tuning system is so wonderful. I was in tears when I first heard you playing these beautiful tunes. I think the unequal temperament tuning system is probably one of the best system systems that piano tuners can ever use. It’s what really gives a piano It’s voice and gives it the best possible sound. Very well done and I liked as always.

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  Thanks so much. The compilation of this recording was faulty and now replaced by kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zo6do9mFo6jgetI.html which is as it should be

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  @richardadkins23993 ай бұрын

  What's with all the double striking (sounds like it anyway) in the Bach pieces? I do like the tuning, though....

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  Thanks so much. The compilation of this recording was faulty and now replaced by kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zo6do9mFo6jgetI.html which is as it should be. I was editing the video on a train and forgot to suppress the sound of the mobile phone camera :-(

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  @eustachiodemarco3 ай бұрын

  Che meraviglia. E sui pianoforti antichi è imprescindibile il temperamento inequabile. Ma qui i colori si mescolano che è un piacere ascoltare. Molto bene.

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  @theyuzutree3 ай бұрын

  I started to tear up just with the first few notes. This tuning system is so engrossing and emotional. Thank you so much for creating these videos. I wish you made mp3s, I'd pay anything for a medley of unequal temperament recordings!!

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  @sr-kt9ml3 ай бұрын

  Thanks for keeping these old tuning systems alive. I would love to learn your craft

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  @_PROCLUS3 ай бұрын

  such wonderful beautiful playing .... Thank you so very much, maestro .. 💝💝💝.

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  My tuning brings forward the best of musicians. . . And provides the aural lead for others to find their way.

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  @stephenhoover5713 ай бұрын

  Keep up the hard work you can do it

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  @theyuzutree3 ай бұрын

  How does unequal temperament affect the orchestra?

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  They actually find it better because orchestral players aim to find more harmonic intervals between themselves. Here are more examples kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKVt1cRtpJa0ZtI.html - kzread.info/dash/bejne/kWlmtax-l7yYibg.html - kzread.info/dash/bejne/n6KIps2jZce_icY.html . There are different methodologies of tuning and I specialise in enabling the instrument to be part of the orchestra rather than conflicting.

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  @theyuzutree3 ай бұрын

  @@unequally-temperedThank you so much, I've been very curious about this and your channel has been a fantastic resource that I've recommended to everyone who wants to enjoy historical tunings. If there is no piano in the performance, then are orchestras free to harmonize among themselves? I'm just wondering if historical symphonies may have sounded different from how they would sound now, or if there was more artistic liberty in the tuning.

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  @unequally-tempered3 ай бұрын

  @@theyuzutree Some instruments such as oboes, flutes and clarinets are very fixed in equal temperament although wind players can "lip" a note to harmonise more with others around. Modern musicians are trained in equal temperament as the norm so will gravitate to it but in quartets and small groups players gravitate to the most harmonious sound. There is debate among string players as to how to tune for instance CGDA of cellos and in the octave above violas then with the GDAE of the violins as if the perfect fifths from the cello range are extended up in octaves to the violins there's a mismatch. As a result orchestral musicians work on the fly to achieve best compromises. Thank you for your expression of appreciation of my channel. I'm willing to tune pianos to unequal temperament anywhere - and refuse to tune equal temperament as it's unnecessary. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4idr7B_msnfipM.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/kWlmtax-l7yYibg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/omiC0seoftOqf6Q.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWSrl6molpyfYMo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYpnzLGIpJmcm7w.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/iX-W05dtismTf7g.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJh9rs6ghJeyZ7A.html might be recordings that perhaps you might find interesting.

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  @darksidegryphon53933 ай бұрын

  I registers an A-minor on the Richter scale.

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  @therealhelmholtz3 ай бұрын

  My man is going down to Beryllium with this one. BERYLLIUM.