Zodiac: They know who the killer is but they can't prove it (HD CLIP)

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Zodiac: Can’t prove it
What’s happening in this Zodiac movie clip?
Robert Graysmith (Jake Gyllenhaal) meets with Inspector Dave Toschi (Mark Ruffalo) to talk to him about Arthur Leigh Allen, who he thinks is the Zodiac killer.
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What’s the Zodiac movie about?
Based on the true story of the notorious serial killer and the intense manhunt he inspired, Zodiac is a superbly crafted thriller from top director David Fincher. Featuring an outstanding ensemble cast led by Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert Downey Jr., Mark Ruffalo and Chloë Sevigny, Zodiac is a searing and singularly haunting examination of twin obsessions: one man's desire to kill and another's quest for the truth. On July the 4th, 1969, the evening of the independence day, two young adults are killed by gun shots in the cities of Benicia and Vallejo in California. A man then calls local authorities and declares having done the crime. The presumed killer, nicknamed Zodiac, accompanies his claims with a riddle. Robert Graysmith (Gyllenhaal), a young newspaper cartoonist, sees his life change when he starts investing his time in decrypting the serial killer’s puzzle.
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  • @freddiegibbs101
    @freddiegibbs1019 ай бұрын

    2:51 "I've walked it." In a movie about obsession, this is the signature line.

  • @dylanalbuquerque4854
    @dylanalbuquerque4854 Жыл бұрын

    Ruffalo with one of the most iconic "jesus christ" moments lmao

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    Why Lmao? Is this a comedy?

  • @HOPOFFMYSHLONG

    @HOPOFFMYSHLONG

    8 ай бұрын

    @@drdavid1963Lmaoo

  • @CommentPoster10

    @CommentPoster10

    7 ай бұрын

    He's a homicide detective and even he's impressed with this cartoonist's investigative work

  • @jackashmore

    @jackashmore

    7 ай бұрын

    He’s more shocked by how obsessed he is and how he’s probs right....confusion, fear, worry all at once

  • @centerfear-mysterycrimerec3627
    @centerfear-mysterycrimerec3627 Жыл бұрын

    This is such a great scene. This entire movie can be re-watched over and over and you pick up on new subtle details that you didn't pick up on the previous time. You can peel multiple layers and never get to the truth, but there are always layers to peel.

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes. I have to confess I've watched Zodiac more than any other movie - about 30 or 40 times (and this scene even more). It's one of the great scenes all right. When Graysmith says, 'This is a case that's covered both Northern and Southern California...' David Shire's music starts fading in for the big reveal and Toschi says 'Jesus Christ'. It's the tragedy of the unknowable remaining a tantalising mystery - but remember, 'just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not true'

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    Also you can watch this scene from Toschi's point of view when Graysmith is going through the evidence. Ruffalo has this brilliant half-smile on his face thinking 'who does this obsessive thinks he's kidding. He should leave it to the professionals. Us cops have been though this and we know we can't prove it.' Then, Graysmith presents the timelines of Arthur Lee Allen and the Zodiac and Graysmith says, 'we get our first new Zodiac letter in 4 years.' At this point, Ruffalo's expression changes to one of uncertainty as if thinking, 'maybe this guy's right. Or even if I know he is, how can he prove it?' which is when he asks him the final question. The great thing, also, about the 'Jesus Christ' reaction of Toschi is that he almost admits to Graysmith that he agrees with him and you can tell that he does but, as he says, 'but I am a cop'

  • @ryderwashington4199

    @ryderwashington4199

    Жыл бұрын

    @@drdavid1963 That's so funny, because since I watched it back in 2021. I've watched the movie at least 6+ times... it's crazy because the movie isn't about the killer, as much as it is about the theme of obsession. Graysmith, the Zodiac, regular movie goers.

  • @HayastAnFedayi

    @HayastAnFedayi

    7 ай бұрын

    @@drdavid1963 funny side note that Dirty Harry Inspector Callahan was based on Detective Toschi and the Zodiac, so its a funny little Easter egg when he says "Easy Dirty Harry..."

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    7 ай бұрын

    @@HayastAnFedayi - Yeah. Dirty Harry took the law into his own hands. He might as well have said 'just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not true.'

  • @PissedOffBanker
    @PissedOffBanker11 ай бұрын

    Anyone else think this scene is chill af? Drinking coffee in the middle of the night at a 24/7 diner discussing business.

  • @Saucedo1828

    @Saucedo1828

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah dude it’s so chill it’s what I imagine college like

  • @jruth77

    @jruth77

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Saucedo1828that definitely was college for me. We’d study and grab an energy drink and just chill in the library like that

  • @SteezySteez2011

    @SteezySteez2011

    8 ай бұрын

    @@jruth77 I miss being in the library, and going down to grab a rockstar (when they were the OG recipe, and still good) and just going back to it. Good times tbh

  • @jruth77

    @jruth77

    8 ай бұрын

    @@SteezySteez2011 oh yeah man, the late night monster run, throw some music on and get work done late at night… good times

  • @banjopadocks8514

    @banjopadocks8514

    6 ай бұрын

    Nerds

  • @njdrummer7120
    @njdrummer71207 ай бұрын

    I love when Toschi says thank you then huge pause for breakfast because he knows he can’t discuss an open investigation w a civilian.

  • @Fan_Made_Videos

    @Fan_Made_Videos

    3 ай бұрын

    He's also acknowledging Robert's dedication. If you remember earlier the film, Toschi whisks food from his former partner in a nonchalantly selfish manner (asks for Animal Crackers like he's entitled to them) because he's too focused in his own mind.

  • @iarerobert
    @iarerobert Жыл бұрын

    I love how Ruffalo thanks him for the breakfast yet pays for it.

  • @SpencerLSimmons

    @SpencerLSimmons

    Жыл бұрын

    I saw that too XD I think its because now Ruffalo's character can finally rest knowing he solved the case but couldn't prove it in court. He had the right man, but the right man was smart and covered his tracks.

  • @dnllrnt

    @dnllrnt

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@SpencerLSimmons I think the right man took advantage of all the jurisdictions not being on the same page.

  • @SpencerLSimmons

    @SpencerLSimmons

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dnllrnt Honestly yeah, the film highlights a lot of jurisdictions being unorganized and never having enough staff or even care to solve the murder. (later in the film) I do believe that if they had their shit together, they could have solved it but it’ll remain an American serial killer mystery.

  • @ZMWise

    @ZMWise

    9 ай бұрын

    Wait, I thought he just left money for the tip lol.

  • @lj5190

    @lj5190

    8 ай бұрын

    @@ZMWise I thought so too at first, but now I believe the "Thank you for breakfast" is more a thank you for helping solve the case.

  • @bobbyhelsel1160
    @bobbyhelsel1160 Жыл бұрын

    ONE OF THE FINEST PIECES OF ACTING The past 20 years! Both are Brilliant! Film was Outstanding

  • @christianzafiroglu6705
    @christianzafiroglu67057 ай бұрын

    Look at 2:03. Pause it. Notice the dividing line between the two. And how Ruffalo just reaches across that dividing line. He doesn’t stay there, but he reaches into the opposite side. That’s balance. That’s visual storytelling. That little moment looks like nothing. But it’s an effort to connect that he pulls back from. And finally, at the end, the dividing line is not crossed at all. Ruffalo stays in his space and exits on the left, never crossing the line.

  • @Costanza1459
    @Costanza14598 ай бұрын

    “Easy Dirty Harry” I still use that one if someone tries to act tough.

  • @TheGary108
    @TheGary1082 жыл бұрын

    Allen is the main killer, but it’s most likely that he had an accomplice or two. And it’s possible that an opportunist used the Zodiac panic to get away with their own murder and blamed it on Zodiac,

  • @benspiller455

    @benspiller455

    Жыл бұрын

    Shut up you don’t know

  • @ctabjjdanny6261

    @ctabjjdanny6261

    Жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what I believe copy cat seriel killers who used the scare of zodiac

  • @Adriel_Aviado

    @Adriel_Aviado

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what I also think bro

  • @devon896

    @devon896

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ctabjjdanny6261 The first 2 murders are 100% zodiac, the 3rd one I'm not 100% sure on as it was broad daylight and he used a knife, the taxi driver murder had nothing to do with zodiac (the M.O is way too different and I think someone used the fear created to get away with it.

  • @sylogazm6909

    @sylogazm6909

    Жыл бұрын

    I think Arthur was ONE of the Zodiac Killers. I believe the Zodiac Killer comprised of at least 2 or more people. That would explain why Arthur's handwriting and DNA didn't match what was found in the envelope, despite all the overwhelming evidence the authorities found in his trailer home. You really think he would be stupid enough to tell his friend, Don Chaney every single detail concerning his Zodiac identity, and how he would go about killing his victims? Maybe telling Don was part of the plan. He counted on Don Chaney to go to the Police, cause he knew regardless of what they found on him, the DNA and handwriting weren't gong to match anyway. It's a pretty clever way to throw the cops off his trail. Keep in mind all the letters the Zodiac sent consisted of details of the murders and humiliating the cops for not being able to catch him or in this case "them" It was all about having the power to evade the Police and always being one step ahead of them. Now as far as who the other assailants were? I do not know. It could be Paul Doerr or another suspect that goes by the name of William McDuff Andrew? Both of them fit the Kodiac's description for sure. But who really knows? Your guess is as good as mine. Be honest with me. What do you guys think of my multiple Zodiac Killer theory? Dude! I just thought of this earlier today before I read your comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Arthur had and accomplice. It only makes sense tbh.

  • @longestafternoon
    @longestafternoon7 ай бұрын

    I actually liked the fact that the movie took a very firm position on who the Zodiac was and I was almost sure ALA was the Zodiac but now I’m not so sure. If ALA did it then he almost certainly had an accomplice.

  • @vicentecastillo8352
    @vicentecastillo83522 жыл бұрын

    Loved who as the time goes by robert becomes a great detective but his mental health is falling apart. He doesnt eat, take care of his sleeping, grew a small beard and doesnt spent too much time with his family. Almost goes crazy as paul

  • @aniketbanerjee631
    @aniketbanerjee631 Жыл бұрын

    This scene gives me the goosebumps along with the interogation scene..

  • @santiagocarreno5881
    @santiagocarreno58818 ай бұрын

    Such a great film; Fincher is a master; additionally, I really love how although the main plot is of course the mystery about the Zodiac identity, few films like this one really develop the life journey ark of the others characters: Robert: low profile nerdy cartoonist single guy, to focused centered family man, to obsessed guy divorced guy Paul Avery: prime sober old school journalist , sensationalist journalist, drunk hippiesh journalist in decadence

  • @JesterMereel

    @JesterMereel

    8 ай бұрын

    There is no indication that Robert was a focused centered family man, considering he was divorced before the film started. The implication is that he is prone to obsession and it's what drove off his first wife. Some people are doomed to repeat their mistakes. Paul Avery was never sober.

  • @robtatum5277
    @robtatum52777 ай бұрын

    The acting is brilliant Mark ruffalo when he asks is that true ? You can feel the pain Magnificent movie

  • @114D
    @114D8 ай бұрын

    One of the best scenes in movie history

  • @jeaniehorton5964
    @jeaniehorton59647 ай бұрын

    I LOVED that scene!!!❤ excellent movie even though a lot was left out.

  • @marwaneltayeb5438
    @marwaneltayeb54388 ай бұрын

    One of the best films ever

  • @DavidAdarmases12

    @DavidAdarmases12

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes

  • @samanthab1923
    @samanthab19232 жыл бұрын

    Always gives me chills

  • @Adriel_Aviado
    @Adriel_Aviado Жыл бұрын

    This is what I believe. Arthur Leigh Allen is the main killer, but there was prolly 4-5 other killers who killed during his time and just blamed it on him making it harder to track him down. Remember the golden state bridge killer? Well his name was Joseph Angelo. He also did all the killings and raping around that time. But he got caught thru dna testing.

  • @thiscorrosion900

    @thiscorrosion900

    9 ай бұрын

    I read D'Angelo was also doing crimes for years up and down all over California. California had so many serials running around from the late 60s through the 90s, so I think, good luck ever solving this case. Arthur Leigh Allen could have been the main one, but was he really that brilliant? I dunno. He kept getting arrested and put in prison for stretches. How genius could he have been?

  • @mwhite6522
    @mwhite65226 ай бұрын

    I was surprised to recently see on blogs, websites, etc., there's a good amount of people who still look into other people as possible Zodiac suspects. I think if you read Graysmith's book, and how he laid out Zodiac's timeline so well, but also acknowledging the possibility that Zodiac, in his letters, could have made claims to murders he didn't commit to throw investigators off his trail, or to break up his patterns, that it was still Allen. Arthur Leigh Allen was not too far away from being charged with murder, but he died of a heart attack before it could be formally arranged, and no one has ever heard from Zodiac since.

  • @bnlang898
    @bnlang8982 жыл бұрын

    brilliant acting

  • @mxbidixk6015
    @mxbidixk6015 Жыл бұрын

    This is just pure class movie one of the best

  • @andrewomahony9260
    @andrewomahony9260 Жыл бұрын

    "Thank you for breakfast" *pays anyways*

  • @violinmerchant

    @violinmerchant

    Жыл бұрын

    can't afford animal crackers day is ruined

  • @personofpinterest4281
    @personofpinterest4281 Жыл бұрын

    Such a great movie, my favorite fincher movie

  • @mtrj99
    @mtrj99 Жыл бұрын

    Idc how many people tell me other wise the Zodiac was a 2 man job one for the killing the other for the hand writing

  • @tylerwedell3750

    @tylerwedell3750

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what i believe

  • @poormanssoderbergh3914
    @poormanssoderbergh39148 ай бұрын

    Best Fincher

  • @Shadowman820
    @Shadowman8208 ай бұрын

    The cop in this scene is right , if they don't have enough evidence that would hold up in court it would be pointless to try and arrest him for this .

  • @ajdoubleyou6781
    @ajdoubleyou67816 ай бұрын

    This movie is just about perfect.

  • @thafightgame5383
    @thafightgame5383 Жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite movies it’s so good

  • @EthanDarke
    @EthanDarke10 ай бұрын

    Great points are made about Arthur being the Zodiac, but part of me will always also believe Zodiac was multiple, unaffiliated people.

  • @ripetika1743
    @ripetika1743 Жыл бұрын

    The only explanation is that Allen didn't write the letters. I'm pretty sure it was a 2 man job.

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    But he was ambi-dextrous

  • @h.d.5194

    @h.d.5194

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@drdavid1963but didn't the handwriting expert say he never saw anyone this ambidextrous, someone who had to good hands

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    9 ай бұрын

    @@h.d.5194 Yes but thehandwriting expert was described as 'who drinks like Paul Avery now' So entirely convincing.

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    9 ай бұрын

    @@h.d.5194 (not) entirely convicing

  • @h.d.5194

    @h.d.5194

    9 ай бұрын

    @@drdavid1963 oh yeah forgot about that. So there is still credibility to the theory he acted alone.

  • @swankybutters8371
    @swankybutters83712 жыл бұрын

    I'm 95% sure Arthur Leigh Allen was The Zodiac Killer...

  • @patrickbooth5091

    @patrickbooth5091

    2 жыл бұрын

    Except he wasn’t

  • @andrealagravinese6498

    @andrealagravinese6498

    2 жыл бұрын

    agree

  • @swankybutters8371

    @swankybutters8371

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andrealagravinese6498 Thanks man... Most people don't really believe it...

  • @patrickbooth5091

    @patrickbooth5091

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@swankybutters8371 Retired police handwriting expert Lloyd Cunningham, who worked on the Zodiac case for decades, stated, "They gave me banana boxes full of Allen's writing, and none of his writing even came close to the Zodiac. Nor did DNA extracted from the envelopes (on the Zodiac letters) come close to Arthur Leigh Allen."[4]

  • @swankybutters8371

    @swankybutters8371

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@patrickbooth5091 Not really sure who Cunningham is... (Funny... I went to a school called Cunningham) anyway, I have little doubt he faked his handwriting. You can see it on many of the uploads about is writing. Also he said he couldn't write with his right hand and that was a lie as well. You can see he's messing with his hand writing, it's not hard to notice. Even Norman Boudreau said he could right with both hands... He was a good BS artist... DNA, I'm almost sure was not his, he would get other people to lick his stamps for him... He was good at playing the game...

  • @NicolasSilvaVasault
    @NicolasSilvaVasault Жыл бұрын

    i don't like ruffalo but this is easily his best role and his best acting, very natural, pretty confident

  • @tafttheraft5314

    @tafttheraft5314

    9 ай бұрын

    He stinks in everything.

  • @NicolasSilvaVasault

    @NicolasSilvaVasault

    9 ай бұрын

    @@tafttheraft5314 i couldn't agree more, i just don't understand how he got so much hype from marvel movies, when even as hulk he sucked

  • @NGJ05

    @NGJ05

    9 ай бұрын

    @@NicolasSilvaVasaultyou watch your mouth about 13 going on 30!

  • @catalinamelo9932

    @catalinamelo9932

    8 ай бұрын

    @@NicolasSilvaVasault Dude be professional. If you don't like your co-worker that doesn't mean he's bad at his job. Watch his movies, even his Bruce Banner movies. He's pretty good.

  • @NicolasSilvaVasault

    @NicolasSilvaVasault

    8 ай бұрын

    @@catalinamelo9932 i'm literally telling you this is his best role, i love his acting on this movie, but everything else? meh

  • @captainsharpeNEL
    @captainsharpeNEL5 ай бұрын

    Never noticed in this scene and lighting you can see Robert also payed his toll for taking all of that on himself. he looks tired and very weary.

  • @mattturner7531
    @mattturner75312 ай бұрын

    It's funny how Toschi tolerates Robert throughout the film...to a point to keep his family comfortable, but knowing the obsession, being a detective, he can't help but go through ALL the evidence he spent a good chunk of his career on with Robert at 5 am because it's in his blood to do so.

  • @FlyingPaladin
    @FlyingPaladin2 жыл бұрын

    It was Ted Cruz

  • @Bassmakerboom
    @Bassmakerboom8 ай бұрын

    Can't believe Smart Hulk couldn't figure this out

  • @justinbrutcher1579
    @justinbrutcher157911 ай бұрын

    It really is less then 50 yards. I'm from the Bay Area....I live like 20 miles away from Vallejo. I'm really interested in true crime, especially this case. I went to those places and walked it myself. It's not a House of Pancakes anymore, but it is still a restaurant.

  • @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    4 ай бұрын

    It was an IHOP for a long time. Used to go there in high school and even after. I graduated 20 years ago. There’s a second ihop on the other side of town, and at some point someone else bought the ihop on tenn st and turned it into a seafood place I think. It didn’t last long. It’s a Mexican joint now

  • @personofpinterest4281
    @personofpinterest4281 Жыл бұрын

    I remember seeing this movie with my cousin

  • @richardbull1276
    @richardbull12767 ай бұрын

    Fifty yards, door to door

  • @re-electBiden2024
    @re-electBiden20249 ай бұрын

    Toschi was too focused on the prints and handwriting. There's ways around that

  • @hussle03
    @hussle032 жыл бұрын

    Number one here 💥💥💥🔥

  • @dashingtherouxthesnow4017
    @dashingtherouxthesnow40172 жыл бұрын

    This aged well then

  • @sukhdevr3489

    @sukhdevr3489

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why?

  • @justin-tu9fl

    @justin-tu9fl

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sukhdevr3489 they found the zodiac they believe he’s been dead since 2018 though

  • @Incepted

    @Incepted

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@justin-tu9fl Its not even confirmed, not enough proof. They always have a new suspect every year

  • @el34glo59

    @el34glo59

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@justin-tu9fl yeah that's not true that hasn't been confirmed. Lol. They definitely didn't find the Zodiac. Pretty clear that Lee Allen was involved. The odds of that many coincidences like hitting the Powerball twice.

  • @nutyyyy

    @nutyyyy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@justin-tu9fl They solved nothing it's just a new suspect. There's new ones every year... its like when they 'solved' Jack the Ripper.

  • @00_00.1
    @00_00.19 ай бұрын

    Ruffalo has one of those faces where he looks like 10 different people

  • @CinemaDemocratica
    @CinemaDemocratica4 ай бұрын

    "I'm not asking you as a cop." "But I *am* a cop."

  • @brians2808

    @brians2808

    2 ай бұрын

    I always loved in this movie how Dave is so dedicated to being a good cop, following due process, etc.

  • @jackashmore
    @jackashmore7 ай бұрын

    The zodiac killer was able to stay hidden from the Hulk, Mestrio and fuckin iron man

  • @jakefollensbee
    @jakefollensbee16 күн бұрын

    The first "thank you" wasn't for breakfast.

  • @notchback93
    @notchback937 ай бұрын

    It started with his painting of the mallards 🦆 that wasn’t chosen for the .32 cent stamp to turn him into a cold blooded murderer

  • @TheBerylknight
    @TheBerylknight8 ай бұрын

    Allen looked nothing like the Zodiac sketch, though.

  • @RoganBits
    @RoganBits8 ай бұрын

    Accurate portrayal of how clueless cops are.

  • @luciano.rim1

    @luciano.rim1

    8 ай бұрын

    At least they're persistent. Imagine how easy it would be for a zodiac killer to get away with those killings in a third world country where cops aren't just clueless, but lack the technology to actually get a serial killer pinned down. Good luck trying to solve a 20-year-old crime where evidence has been manipulated to no end.

  • @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    4 ай бұрын

    Hey wise guy, why don’t you try solving zodiac and get back to us. We’re waiting. Since the 60s

  • @SpitefulAZ
    @SpitefulAZ Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to see a movie about the Golden State Killer!!!!

  • @danielcantu859

    @danielcantu859

    7 ай бұрын

    Me also

  • @amrita4500
    @amrita45004 ай бұрын

    I came back out of nowhere to watch this scene in the middle of the night

  • @user-jv2yk5rb6y
    @user-jv2yk5rb6y9 ай бұрын

    Circumstantial evidence means crap in court, if that is only evidence you have. You need at least some apodictical evidence too.

  • @volodymyrs.9626
    @volodymyrs.96268 ай бұрын

    Ruffalo should have turned into Hulk and scare the zodiac

  • @andrealagravinese6498
    @andrealagravinese64982 жыл бұрын

    Zodiac killer was Allen at 99%

  • @email5023

    @email5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    The other 1% was the DNA that excluded him.

  • @benspiller455

    @benspiller455

    Жыл бұрын

    Nope

  • @swankybutters8371

    @swankybutters8371

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm with you Andrea, I'm just more in the 95% sure, for now but 99% is most likely correct as well. No one even comes close to ALA and honestly, I don't think he ever worked with anyone, that would have been a huge mistake... He was a soloist...

  • @eprofessio
    @eprofessio8 ай бұрын

    In case you do not know, in the real world circumstantial evidence is used all the time to gain convictions.

  • @DavidAdarmases12

    @DavidAdarmases12

    2 ай бұрын

    Not like this, though.

  • @DavidAdarmases12

    @DavidAdarmases12

    2 ай бұрын

    That's why Arthur Leigh Allen was never charged.

  • @stevenstocker7425
    @stevenstocker74257 ай бұрын

    I am 1% sure Allen is the zodiac killer

  • @hazbutler
    @hazbutler5 ай бұрын

    "Easy dirty Harry" is a nod to the real life character that Ruffalo is playing. Dirty Harry was based loosely on Dave Toschi.

  • @seviperman3584
    @seviperman35845 ай бұрын

    You are 95% wrong

  • @captainmarvelwilson508
    @captainmarvelwilson5083 ай бұрын

    Is it just me? Or does Jake Gyllenhaal have the most funny looking faces in every movie he is in?

  • @subliminallyinc
    @subliminallyinc9 ай бұрын

    mysterio versus the hulk

  • @moonbeamskies3346
    @moonbeamskies3346 Жыл бұрын

    They never had a case against Allen, just like the cop says in this scene. Not a shred of evidence.

  • @TorqC69

    @TorqC69

    9 ай бұрын

    Except if U use a brain U don't need "evidence"

  • @h.d.5194

    @h.d.5194

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@TorqC69I know, even if it's circumstancial it's all just too overwhelming. Just cause they don't have solid proof they give up on the person who is clearly the zodiac. I don't really get that and the movie shows Jake's character going into the shop at the end and basically showing Arthur Allen Leigh is the zodiac but the police don't take further action until years later and then he dies

  • @re-electBiden2024
    @re-electBiden20249 ай бұрын

    They had enough evidence to go to trial

  • @fernando3061
    @fernando30616 ай бұрын

    This movie is so damn good I'm surprised it's not considered a classic or something. Like film classes should be reviewing this movie, I really believe that.

  • @SinisterMud

    @SinisterMud

    5 ай бұрын

    It is considered a classic!

  • @fernando3061

    @fernando3061

    5 ай бұрын

    @SinisterMud you're right lol, it's an amazing film.

  • @davidlazerz8564
    @davidlazerz85647 ай бұрын

    The most unbelievable part of this scene? A cop who doesnt jump at the first coincidence and ruin someones life.

  • @raulraul6
    @raulraul610 ай бұрын

    arthur leigh allen could have committed some of the murders in vallejo and san francisco especially the murder of paul stines. but i think the handwriting was done by a accomplice. That's why the handwriting expert cummingham said even though the police sent banana boxes of arthur handwriting to the handwriting expert he said it didn't match because maybe it was written by somebody else I am not sure if had gone through a lie detector test but maybe he could have passed it maybe one or two of the murders were not done by him but somebody else. I also believe that the murder of cheri joe bates is linked to zodiac. and even if arthur leigh allen had one or two accomplice they are probably very old or dead by now these murders took place like fifty years ago. I think it is important to establish the dna found in the zodiac letters and identify the person and see if that person had a possible friendship with arthur leigh allen

  • @artworkbysteve1
    @artworkbysteve12 жыл бұрын

    My mom was the Zodiac killer she had knives and a deep voice.

  • @email5023

    @email5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    *knives

  • @caseyriggs2633
    @caseyriggs26335 ай бұрын

    Robert was an absolute greyhound….

  • @Doctor_Yuri
    @Doctor_Yuri6 ай бұрын

    I've thought about the line "I've walked it" so many times. Its my roman empire.

  • @zack6701
    @zack67019 ай бұрын

    Mysterio, Iron Man, and Hulk try to solve the case of the killing psychopath

  • @markmac2206

    @markmac2206

    8 ай бұрын

    they needed Professor Hulk.

  • @TKnull
    @TKnull7 ай бұрын

    I think Arthur Lee Allen killed Darlene. But the real Zodiac did other crimes and also took credit for other murders to throw off the police

  • @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    4 ай бұрын

    In that scenario, Arthur had to have also killed David and Betty Lou. Now if it’s someone else that killed the others, and he is the one that writes the letters, how does he know the details about Betty Lou? That means if it’s another person writing the letters, that they had to have known the person who killed Darlene, David, and Betty Lou. It’s either Arthur had an accomplice or the letters were written by law enforcement that had insider knowledge

  • @dcnightwing6938
    @dcnightwing6938 Жыл бұрын

    Common mysterio , hulk , iron can't silve something

  • @as-am-eri-ca-n-a-s-a-pplepie1
    @as-am-eri-ca-n-a-s-a-pplepie15 ай бұрын

    Super simple everyone. Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac but he wasn't working alone.

  • @bobbobsin3202
    @bobbobsin32028 ай бұрын

    John Lennon was the zodiac

  • @adamhro
    @adamhro2 жыл бұрын

    Zodiac killer is unmasked officially!!!!

  • @thelastdragon5551

    @thelastdragon5551

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not official yet.

  • @trexieendrada5436

    @trexieendrada5436

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dd

  • @MarvInn

    @MarvInn

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not him. Calm down

  • @adamhro

    @adamhro

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MarvInn I’m pretty sure he is

  • @MarvInn

    @MarvInn

    2 жыл бұрын

    Its not (:

  • @filmfan2324
    @filmfan23242 ай бұрын

    I honestly think Lee had a split personality. At night is when he killing side began ... no lie I think thst is a possibility

  • @user-sb1ho7ro5z
    @user-sb1ho7ro5z4 ай бұрын

    Why didn’t anybody show Linda a picture of Arthur Leigh Allen?? If she and Mike identified him it would’ve nailed the coffin

  • @mh167434
    @mh1674346 ай бұрын

    I don’t understand how Arthur Leigh Allen cover his tracks? Is he going in circles going north and south in California??

  • @TheodoreRizzo
    @TheodoreRizzo7 ай бұрын

    Arthur Leigh Allen die without ever been charged of any crime he was your zodiac

  • @joemirotta1242
    @joemirotta12426 ай бұрын

    I honestly don’t think they will never found who the zodiac killer is. He has outsmarted police and feds for decades. Who knows? Maybe I’m wrong

  • @damaniqphillip2756
    @damaniqphillip27562 жыл бұрын

    Wow

  • @petezereeeah
    @petezereeeah7 ай бұрын

    Some of these murders were really bad. I mean bad beyond what should be said. I'll leave it at that.

  • @JLP4444
    @JLP4444 Жыл бұрын

    I was disappointed to learn that the movie distorted a lot of the details (no matching bootprints, no Zodiac watch, etc.). I'm guessing that if there really was that much circumstantial evidence, it would have been an easy conviction.

  • @anonymousgoblin792

    @anonymousgoblin792

    Жыл бұрын

    Wait even the watch was made up???

  • @E-NIS690

    @E-NIS690

    8 ай бұрын

    @@anonymousgoblin792 no he wore a zodiac wrist watch bootprint one was made up

  • @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    4 ай бұрын

    Tf are you talking about? This movie is pretty legit. They never could get ALA, it was all circumstantial

  • @jimmy2k4o
    @jimmy2k4o Жыл бұрын

    My friend said I was the zodiac killer I mentioned I was born in 1993 He said that was circumstantial…… I need better friends.

  • @themessenger2948
    @themessenger294811 ай бұрын

    Leigh was a copy-cat.

  • @karannegi7199
    @karannegi719925 күн бұрын

    OJ Simpson is the real Zodiac Killer actually.

  • @tamilsongsbooms3219
    @tamilsongsbooms32192 жыл бұрын

    Great killer 👍🏻

  • @tamilsongsbooms3219

    @tamilsongsbooms3219

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pitohui3527 🥰

  • @boneor...7022

    @boneor...7022

    2 жыл бұрын

    sirs

  • @benspiller455

    @benspiller455

    Жыл бұрын

    Psychopath…

  • @garethwest9069
    @garethwest90692 жыл бұрын

    The good thing about circumstantial evidence is that it never changes, whereas eyewitnesses can recant. Indirect vs direct evidence. If we still had a justice system, things would be much better, as they were pre 1 Samuel 8. God's ways under the Old Covenant has their merits.

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    But over time people forget. So their 'direct' evidence may not be so reliable

  • @seemonjena659

    @seemonjena659

    Жыл бұрын

    That's why there is a principle in law of evidence that states that men might lie but circumstances never lie. This is the basis for admissibility of circumstantial evidence in criminal trials.

  • @iheartbridalcouture5989
    @iheartbridalcouture5989 Жыл бұрын

    How does it explain people saying he’s 5’8” or 5’9” tho?? ALA was over 6’ There’s a task force that’s saying Gary Francis Powers is the guy

  • @joefeeney5497

    @joefeeney5497

    6 ай бұрын

    He walked kinda hunched over, didn’t he?

  • @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    @Seashellsbytheseashore21

    4 ай бұрын

    Eyewitness accounts can be off. Also could be 2 people were Z

  • @agyeimaxwell.
    @agyeimaxwell.2 жыл бұрын

    🔥💞🇬🇭

  • @kathykline7202
    @kathykline7202 Жыл бұрын

    HA, HA, HA, ON NATIONAL TV DAVID DECIPHERED A TRANSLATION OF ANOTHER LANGUAGE. ZODIAC DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CREATE A CIPHER. EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A TRANSLATION. TAKES LESS THAN A DAY TO DO EVERY ONE. YES WE HAVE HIS NAME !!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT POSTE OR MCDUFF,

  • @ctdieselnut
    @ctdieselnut11 ай бұрын

    Say this is all bs, lets just say. I have a feeling this scenario happens extremely commonly; police know exactly what happened and who did it, but don't have the evidence to prove it. Killers and rapists walk free and continue to inflict themselves on others until prosecutors feel the charges will stick. Sure, theres plenty of crimes that don't leave a trace, but detectives aren't superheroes, and vigilante justice is punishable. I am not for the alternative, police punishing people without anything proven against them, but I just wanted to point out how common some form of this scene plays out irl. Technology providing a digital footprint for everything we do has helped the good guys just as much as it has trapped the bad. Its just weird to think about.

  • @Nerdlabor

    @Nerdlabor

    8 ай бұрын

    Think one step further. How often does it happen that the police think (!) they know exactly what happened and who the killer is, but have no evidence. It has happened enough in the past that police officers have falsified evidence to peddle convictions because they firmly believe that the person is guilty. Decades later it turned out that the person was innocent but is now dead thanks to the death penalty and thheir wrong assessment. Just because you firmly believe someone did it doesn't mean it has to be. One should always reflect and consider, despite every probability, whether it is possible that one might be wrong and that the person is not the perpetrator.

  • @ctdieselnut

    @ctdieselnut

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Nerdlabor in the movie lord of war, ethan Hawke's character is a gov agent who knows all about the illegal/immoral crimes nick cage's character (illegal arms dealer) is up to, but lacks evidence early on, and therefore wont arrest him (more like is unwilling to bend the rules/plant evidence just to arrest him). There's a line nick cage narrates, "E.H. is the most rare type of officer, the kind that knows you are breaking the rules, but is unwilling to bend them himself just to catch you..." I know it's just a movie, but i found it interesting that they admit clean cops are the minority, and it rings true imo. I dont hate cops, but i have to acknowledge that it happens. Ive watched a cop claim he found a bag of weed in my friends car just to 'bust' him. This was a long time ago, weed is now recreational in my state, but back then it was a pain in the ass. I wont go into detail, but ill just say everyone there was 100% sure what the cop did. That was bad enough, imagine if it was evidence for a murder(s)? Ive heard various other similar stories, but i cant vouch for them. Ive heard a former k9 cop say that he/other k9 officers had a discreet command that would prompt the dog to 'alert' (signal they smell drugs) which then gave the cops probable cause to search without a warrant. Said they would only do this if they were already pretty sure the person had drugs, but didnt have any indication to act on. They'd basically blame the dog for violating your rights if they didn't find anything, avoiding liability. It's a scummy tactic.

  • @garethwest9069
    @garethwest90692 жыл бұрын

    Mark Ruffalo enjoyed his blasphemy, as do most atheists.

  • @eliekdahl4266

    @eliekdahl4266

    Жыл бұрын

    wtf does that mean, cause he is an athiest he is confused, bruh what are you on about

  • @royal4908

    @royal4908

    Жыл бұрын

    Ruffalo is a Catholic my guy

  • @drdavid1963

    @drdavid1963

    Жыл бұрын

    Anyway there is no such thing as blasphemy to an atheist. It's Christian propaganda

  • @cockoffgewgle4993

    @cockoffgewgle4993

    7 ай бұрын

    Cry to your sky fairy

  • @glibglob8755
    @glibglob87554 ай бұрын

    “…Jesus Christ.”

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