Xsens just gave me an exclusive offer for my viewers! Use the code HALO5 at checkout for 5% off!!

the 2700 a year for the software subscription is a deal breaker for me... thats just crazy. You should just get the damn software perpetually as part of the suit, or at most like 50 a month. For 2700 a year, I can get the entire media collection suite from Autodesk for the same price. Thats maya + max + Motionbuilder + mudbox + recap and other smaller apps. The xsense subscription cost is ridiculous for whats its doing - processing mocap.

Hey Ron, Our PN suits are super easy with quick setups. All our suits can be put on and ready to capture within 10-15 minutes. I can suit someone up within 3-5 mins. If you need to recalibrate the sensors on our oldest and most affordable suit, then that's where you could lose time in setup or capturing. Each sensor has to be recalibrated individually and if you need to do all the sensors then that can run you about an hours time. Though that is only the case if your sensors are all exposed to a magnetic field that disrupts their calibration. We offer the magnetic case to put your sensors in between each capture sessions so that you avoid having to recalibrate the sensors often. For our Pro suit and our Studio suit, which is the footage you're using, recalibrating takes a few seconds if you need to recalibrate. You do a a pose, s pose, and a t pose and they are all recalibrated. However, those sensors are magnetically shielded to provide more protection against magnetic interference. Our Studio suit can even be in a working mode that allows you to turn off the magnetometer sensor so you can capture in really bad environments. Our original PN suit is almost 6 years old in design and is meant to be our most affordable option for people that are price conscious. That also means that we could not afford to add in all the bells and whistles and it is up to our users to capture in the best environment to get the best results. You mention in the video that you haven't used the PN suits. If you would like to have a demo, or find out more information about the suits please let me know at Jcroak@noitom.com and we can help you in your journey to provide the best information to your audience.

if they got rid of the yearly fee it would be no contest. Xsens would win. but that is such a large amount of money to just use the suit. and I still find lower body capture to be finicky while upper body only is always perfect. support is also hit or miss but mostly a miss. They seem to stop you from discussing issues on the forum with other users who might be able to solve it, and instead to talk to them. While I've never had them not reply, it's just the replies are often not good.

Thank you so much for making these videos, helps a ton! And yeah I think the yearly fee is definitely what keeps a lot of people from buying an xsens suit (me included).

This was a very good real review between the two options. I appreciate this. Thanks

You help us soooo much by doing your reviews. You are just amazing. Thank you so much!

very helpful insights, and great sample footage for comparisons. thanks for sharing!

Your motion capture videos are so helpful. Thank you for taking the time to talk through all the pain points of each platform.

Hey Ron, sorry you are frustrated about the process. Again, shipping should definitely not cost $300 (which is why we only charge $50 to send to the US). As for the wifi, this is not an issue we hear our users having - except when they are on crowded office connections or far away from their router. Do you have a router specifically for the suit? Then you definitely shouldn't have issues. As for the data itself, are you using our clean-up filters in Studio (the data you are showing looks completely raw)? That is absolutely key to performance and should be an integral part of your workflow. This guide will give an overview: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHqszbaSZL3FnLA.html We realize that you've now started working with your Xsens suit and that your focus is now on getting the most out of that product (and building a relationship to their company). But if you are still reviewing our suit and working with it, we'd still love to get on a call and talk about best practises. Please reach out if you are interested! Best, Rokoko

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

When is the rokoko glove coming out? Ive been waiting for too long... also is the glove going to be compatible with unreal livelink? If it is then I will buy two of them right away!

@RokokoMotion

4 жыл бұрын

@@freenomon2466 Yes, we know it's been a long wait. But we still plan to start shipping early June. It will be worth the wait! :)

@tedluvbishop9865

4 жыл бұрын

i have written to you several times and theres no reply. do you ship to africa?(edgarlovet@gmail.com)

@RokokoMotion

4 жыл бұрын

@@tedluvbishop9865 Hey there, yes, we definitely do and have several customers in different African countries. However, the rules for fees (customs, taxes) are very different from country to country there, so you should definitely reach out to your team. Not sure why you haven't heard back. If you have written either hi@rokoko.com, support@rokoko.com, sales@rokoko.com or that chat on our website, you should expect to hear back very shortly. Thanks!

@tedluvbishop9865

4 жыл бұрын

@@RokokoMotion I wrote to hi@rokoko.com and used that chart . Who do I contact to buy one?

Xsens will go out of business...too expensive when other are coming down in price and going up in quality.

@ToonaciousD

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. The quality is way better for actual studios. Indie is indie, professional is professional.

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

if rokoko and perception neuron got rid of magnetic interference, then xsens will have hard time justifying their high price tag. but their hd processing is incredible. So as for now, xsens rules.. it's the king. : ) especially with their VIVE positional aiding. they are the best.

@ToonaciousD

4 жыл бұрын

@@freenomon2466 That would be amazing if the two came up with algorithms to ignore magnetic fields... But currently they don't. Also, XSens allows exclusive ownership of the motion you capture, which big companies require. I worked on Tomb Raider and Days Gone, both utilizing the XSens suit, and though it wasn't perfect (this was the magnetic affected version) the data was decent enough for animators to massage to their needs. These suits, to be similar, would probably require new hardware, which is more expensive than the suit you're probably using. But in the end, it's what the user does with the data. I've never seen ANY mocap good enough to be used without edits, but that depends are the level of quality of the production. I've not used Rokoko yet, but when I tried the PN, we didn't have good results and there were NO editing tools. Eager to try Rokoko. The data sample looked decent and the fix tools were pretty good.

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

@@ToonaciousD Hey thanks for sharing your experience. Would love to chat with you more. Please email me. Just at gmail to my channel name. :)

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

​@@freenomon2466 I think if you know what your working with and know it's limitations, you can get decent mocap from the inertial suits like the Rokoko and the PN. Personally, I've seen some really good work done with the PN and unlike some people...I feel finger animation is pretty integral so most animations.

I’m very hesitant to buy Xsens because of that yearly fee. $7.5k is a great price for what it offers but adding an extra $3.5k to your bill kinda blows. I’m already paying that much for Maya and additional plugins

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. It is a huge drain on individuals whom are hobbyists. It is a great tax write off though I guess.

@mrsafety

4 жыл бұрын

$9,000, not $3,500. That's what they just quoted me. They must have raised the price.

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrsafety You sure they classified you as indie? It still says $2500 or so for a single person, and standard licensee annually

@purplecookie687

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrsafety one zillion dollars muha muha muhaAhahaah

Great video. Having owned both these systems as well as Ikinema Orion and Ipisoft I agree with everything you’ve said 1000% They’re not even comparable as mocap solutions. One is a serious bit of kit, the other isn’t a professional option in any way.

Great video really interesting thank you!

Thanks for the valuable information. I will chip in some info of my own. I have a couple of Rokoko Smartsuit Pro v1s and 2 pairs of Rokoko Gloves plus the face tracking which I used with an iPhone X and a Standard Deviation HMC iPhone mount. This is the only system I have used. As well as using it myself I also rent it out as a packaged mocap solution in the UK. Have had around 15 different clients so far including 1 man indie game devs, a documentary team at a UK based film school, a company making a training video internally for their customers, several bookings by film students, someone recording hand data for something relating to sign language, a couple of artists using it for tech based modern art type purposes, a few people using it as a test to see if they would like to buy the system themselves, some guys making a metaverse related ad and one guy who is in the mocap industry and wanted to see what it was like compared to full on camera based systems just out of interest. So I have my experience to go on and the feedback from these individuals / companies. Firstly, no one has requested a refund on their booking due to being unhappy with their results, though I have made it clear I offer this so they absolutely could have done. Keep in mind every booking has been by people who are at least responsibly familiar with the general process, already use blender, unreal, have some idea of rigging and animation etc. So they might well have more realistic expectations than someone who buys one and just wants to have a run at it... which was actually me at the start! When I get these bookings I ship the gear out to the client so it has been used at a different location each time. Of the booking 2 have run into major issues with magnetic interference. 1 guy almost returned it but eventually found a location where it worked for him. There was one booking where I went along with the gear to act as a technician. This was for the documentary. Unfortunately the location, a film school with a lot of tech around, lots of metal etc, did makes the suit pretty hard to work with. I am writing this in the reception of the school just after the job! We captured what we need I think but there will be a fair bit of clean up due to drifting limbs etc. It was a great experience for me to see just how difficult it can get in high magnetic interference areas but frustrating and I hope everything will be good enough for the client. The face capture always seems solid. Have also found the gloves to be pretty solid. During this documentary experience I have been chatting to Rokoko support a lot to trying to understand more. Firstly, as I have seen this review video and other reviews say, the support is REALLY good. They are quick, most of the answers seem honest and on point. My current understanding is that the overall amount of magnetism isn't the relevent factor. It's more down magnetic variance. This part is a guess but I assume something like when you calibrate the level of magnetism is taken in to account, and as long as you stay at about that range you are fine. When it fluctuates in different areas the sensors get thrown off. So if you have a location with pretty consistent magnetism, happy days. At this film school we actually had to use the mocap outside in a small tend, in the rain, to escape the interference, and even then a fair bit of majorly drifting limbs was happening. So firstly. There are pretty notable limitations to Rokokos current tech. However they are not always an issue. It's absolutely possible to get usable decent data and so far all of my clients have achieved this, even if a few had to struggle a bit to get there. I have a Smartsuit Pro V2 on order at the moment which is able to deal with movement in Z axis, going up stairs etc. Can't speak to this yet as I have not got it yet. I would love an Xsens but given the cost it's just a no go, especially due to the yearly cost! For me, to have 2 full performance capture setuos, 2 suits, 2 glove pairs, 2 head mounts with iPhone X, dedicated router, laptop, batteries, the let's ignore some other bits that are only as it's a rental business and not just for me eg shipping containers etc, the entire setup cost me about £9500 all in. So far it's usable and is something I am able to make money with and thus far with 100% satisfied customers, but again they likely had realistic expectations due to having reasonable knowledge. From what I understand a lot of what Xsens does better is due to the software more than the tech. So hopefully Rokoko will keep improving The guy who worked with really expensive optical mocap solutions, incidentally also one of the two who had major magnetic interference issues, said that compared to the optical systems it was pretty damned janky, but that for the price and compared to say hand animating he thought it was cool for indies, reasonable, and still a huge time saver. My own personal experience is actually more limited than my clients! I also have very little point of reference myself as I have not used other systems. But for me I have found it problematic sometimes, bit pretty cool and certainly worth it.

Dude, the vibe option is so legit! Great work because PN and rokoko still feels and look like they are in beta stages

You have to also consider Shadow. Interesting innovations they offer are integrated pressure plates to better detect foot contact, and it can use Vive trackers for better absolute positioning. It looks pretty impressive as well.

Holy moly! I just got off the phone with Xsens and they quoted me a suit for $7300 but I HAD to purchase the basic software to run it for $9,000 a year or $22,000 for a lifetime license. Maybe the Rokoko will be right for me. I was expecting their software to cost $2,500 a year but man... Oh and they told me the indie program only lasts for 3 months. You're lucky you got it free for a year.

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

According to their site it's the same. indie.xsens.com/ For indie standard it's about 2700 I think, pro software is more. First year is free.

@mrsafety

4 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms Weird. Someone else just reached out to me to talk again. Hopefully they'll give me that price.

@goblin_games

4 жыл бұрын

That’s totally incorrect. The indie licence is available to you for as long as you’re not making over $500,000 or something like that. It’s clearly stated on the website.

@mrsafety

4 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games I'm only going by what I was told over the phone when they called me back for a quote on the price. I hear what you're saying and I saw that indie thing too but a quote is a quote.

As an indie I am at the starting stage of a feature animation. I definitely can not afford Xsens but wish I could afford Rokoko. I have to gamble the cheaper options and just hope they work. I would wish for a Rokoko suit and the gloves when they come out. I will be nice all year and hope Santa isn't a myth..........maybe one day. Thanks for the reviews, very helpful.

@JD-od6tw

3 жыл бұрын

What setup did u end up using and how did it go?

Thanks for being honest

I got a Index with 3 base stations 2.0, 12 Vive Trackers 2.0. and decided to go out for a ManusVR. I also have a a XSens however to my surprise the VR based tracking works just as good if not better then the XSens and it cost shy under $2.000USD. The only thing I use the XSens for now is when I'm on the go and want to record on rugged terrain. However I'm mostly at my home studio and have a really big space so I like working with my desktop with Blender and Maya.

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

would love to see some examples of your vive based mocap. 12 trackers? wow. I used to use 8 trackers with Orion. 12 trackers will include knee and shoulders? which vive software are you using for doing motion capture? vive mocap kit from unreal market place?

@punchatz

3 жыл бұрын

what software are you using for capture with your vive?

@rosybelavert9255

3 жыл бұрын

?

xsens now supports vive tracker position aiding. This can really improve abdolute positioning.

Perception Neuron original version is $1500 and it comes with 32 sensors and does complete fingers. They now have a Perception Neuron Pro for $4500 but it doesnt have finger motions. For fingers...you have to pay about $1500 dollars more for the gloves. Ill stick with the original version as they all still have drifting issues depending on the amount of electromagnetic field in your performance area. I was told it blocks it more in the new version but for the price I want none at all.

the rokoko is lit to use

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

I was maybe too hard on them, but I have managed to get some really great animations. I just wanted professional data, 10/10 stuff

For me the issues I had with Rokoko were resolved by blocking off the home wifi physically. The room I work in is lined with moving blankets (for sound) and it's got mylar blankets attached to those all facing out towards the walls. Wi-Fi from the rest of the house can't get in if the door is closed. And in that same room I've got a router mounted to the roof it's entire connection is dedicated only to the Rokoko suit and gloves, nothing else gets connected to it. The computer in that room get's it's connection from an RJ45 connection. I mainly did this because I was hell bent on getting it to work better, though I didn't consider it to be too bad before. I still have to do a bit of clean up from time to time, but I get some very usable stuff. On the other hand, my usage of mocap is more experimental in nature.

@nixellion

3 жыл бұрын

Hi! I do hope you see this comment, as I'm quite curious about your story with blocking wifi. I have a V1 (or v2? Not sure. Old one) Neuron suit, and I've been struggling getting good tracks, however I never thought about interference being an issue. I mean I can't deny it, especially when I get close to PC I see that character distorts and moves and I have to recalibrate after that. But while I stay away from PC it does not drift or shake. My main problem is how poorly it tracks or rather calculates lower body. Feet constantly get out of sync and rotate 90 degress after, say, a jump or a few steps, and stay broken until I recalibrate. Basically as long as I stand in place I can get decent usable results, but moving or walking around is unusable, leg animation has to be completely reconstructed in post. Any ideas? Do you think that if I blocked all possible interference it would solve the issue?

I got the Neuron, with any suit there is going to be a setup even a huge mocap studio has setup. But over Neuron works amazing.

One thing i found bad about most suits is the lack of hability to track height. For example climbing stairs, or jumping on a box. Perception Neuron Pro is able to do that.

I Spoke with Allan at XSENS today, he told me that i can use the gloves with their software. So it should work for you. I have a perception neuron. It really dosen't take much time to setup. Yes you can damage the callibration when it comes close to magnetic. But if you use it industrial, you wont really record close to hardware with it. So it dosen't really affect that much. But yes theres a lot of time with cleanup from the mocap. XSENS the best of the best in the sensor industry. These sensors are even on spaceships, so they are on point! And as industrial this suit is the best regarding to the time you earn from Cleaning the animation up, because you don't need to cleanup. It's 100% on point.

It doesn’t take long to setup, however, you have to keep recalibrate, I had it now for 2 years

FYI: The Manus Gloves work with both Xsens Awinda and Xsens Link systems.

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

Is it hard to setup? . Will it stream the finger data along with body mocap data in mvn software n export them all together?

@wathiant

4 жыл бұрын

@@freenomon2466 Of course it's easy to set up and it's all streamed together :)

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

wathiant I would be very interested in checking it out. is it 3500?

@wathiant

4 жыл бұрын

@@freenomon2466 I think you need to ask the Manus sales guys about the exact pricing. Xsens and Manus integrated their products but they're still independently purchased systems. The Xsens sales people can point you to the right product to order if you need assistance.

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

@@wathiant thanks I got Manus Prime 1 vr xsens edition. Will post a review on my channel soon!

Excusme guys but I’m very new in this, Only for live streaming tracking data into iclone with rokoko or perception neuron apart of the suite do I need to pay a software monthly ? Thanks if someone answer me👍

"Back in the day, I didn't even have knees" lol

I heard they went back on that 'grandfathered-in' promise, could you give us an update on the situation? thanks!

Cool video. Like you said hard to compare $17,000 xsens Awinda vs $1,500 PN 32. They aren't in the same category. The PN 32 is from back in 2014 and the first intro to our tech. The idea was making Mocap affordable to the masses. With PN PRO and PN Studio these are much more robust, much more magnetic resistant hardware. The videos you have on PN are of PN STUDIO and we even have some great examples of stunts and freestyle dancing. The studio is $7500 for full body + finger free software and I would put it up against xsens any day.

@faridkomurcukomurcu9007

4 жыл бұрын

Actually he mentions a price below 10k USD. Also I tried PN myself, MoCap quality is very disappointing and broke down within one month...

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

If yall wanna send me a suit to review that I can send back id be glad to check it out. I don't have any reason to buy it at this point. But if you're serious I'd love to see if it holds up to xsens being so much cheaper, could be a great solution!! Email in description

@freenomon2466

4 жыл бұрын

even the new perception stufio is prone to magnetic interference. xsens mvn animate 2020 now supports vive tracker location accuracy.

This video is so helpful! I went the Vive Tracker route- for full motion tracking do I need 19 trackers like rokoko?

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Nah just a few, at the very least feet, belly, hands, and head. You can use controllers or the headset itself for parts. I recommend 8 trackers total or so!

@JackieCtheoutwardspiral

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms Do you know if the old Vive will work or if it needs to be a Vive 2? Thanks!

Right to another channel

I've used Perception Neuron v1 in 2016 & Rokoko in 2017. Rokoko had better tech then but the software was bit weak. PN had way better system for correcting steps & movement. Wonder how the new versions of the suits compare, especially PN as it has couple version of their suits. However their site is bit wonky and it's difficult to compare them

hello ,flymoc htv vive 1-3 need which one is best?

how about isolating the recording room with aluminum or something with rokoko?

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

you want to build a room with aluminum all around? it will cost a lot!

@Metarig

3 жыл бұрын

@@freenomon2466 aluminum foil buddy

Rokoko just need one little bump in raw output data quality and it will become the norm for small budget / indie studios.

xsens is great. but hd processing is sloooow. but beats the heck out of hand cleaning. live link to unreal along with iphonex facial is really cool. Ive tried Orion vive too. Not professional data. Rokoko if they fixed magnetic interference it would be cool. Im now working on pipeline for full body n face n finger mocap to unreal.

@goblin_games

4 жыл бұрын

The processing is a lot lot quicker now with the multi threaded update.

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games true if you are doing multi short takes. but if you have a take that is long (several minutes or more) it can't use multi processing on a single take.. so it still takes a while. but it's worth the wait. the clean up is awesome.. especially with vive positional aiding. : ) xsens rocks

I was LITERALLY about to by a Rokoko suit until I saw this. Maybe the extra money on the Xsens is worth it for the time saved on repairing data. Thanks!

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

It is a lot more expensive with reoccurring annual software fee or you can buy life time fee. But if you can afford it, its worth it.

@h0laPlaneta

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms how much is the life time fee for indie? 10,000 dlrs?

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

@@h0laPlaneta I think there is no indie discount for lifetime perpetual license. : )

@NixCM

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to hit buy on xsens and then realized there’s no finger tracking!

Any mocap system based on VR sets is a nightmare to use because it lags quite often, the resulting recording is very jerky, sensors often disappear especially when are hidden by other objects and/or body parts. The optical coordinate system created by VR base stations is NOT good for mocap. You will spend a lot of hours cleaning up the recording from VR system. So, it is not usable in professional production cycle.

looks like manus has a good solution for ikinema users now, not tried it yet

you are amazing and one day your channel will get 100000000000 subscribers

Nice vidéo, but the music should be down a bit , hard to listen with it loop again and again.

Don’t bother getting a Rokoko till they get their stuff together. Ordered the basic package 4 months ago and still ain’t got it. I’d hate to see if I need a replacement part. Took over a week just to get a response to a sales question. I hope the hype is worth it when I finally get it. So far more trouble than it’s worth. Hopefully it will be a good part of my pipeline when it comes…if not I’ll I be very disappointed. If you need a Rokoko for your project make sure to order it 7 months in advance. I’m going on month 4 and I just ordered the basic package.

how did you afford all these mocap suits?

@JD-od6tw

3 жыл бұрын

Dogecoin

i own neuron... the set up is not hard its takes at least 5min to put on, to make maya live is easy as well as they have a adon for it. calibration is also easy, im not sure where you heard is hard! but i do hate their customer support! sadly is not the best. the gloves and suit is 7.5k

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, a lot of what he says makes absolutely no sense at all. He says he's never used one in one breath and in the next breath he says it's garbage...then tries to cover himself by saying "but I've never used one."

@ironknightzero

2 жыл бұрын

@@thejetshowlive Hey man, out of curiosity, did you experience any jitter with the PN V1/V2 suits? Also, is there any smoothing/data processing feature available in their software for jitter removal?

@thejetshowlive

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironknightzero Hey Shayan, I don't experience jitter, when you calibrate it properly and are no where near magnetic interference the data is fine! Is it triple A 100% amazing? No. I don't think that any IMU suit is. Optical tracking isn't even 100% perfect...but it's close. Yes, there is some post processing that you can do in their software. I have the v3 and it's pretty amazing.

@ironknightzero

2 жыл бұрын

@@thejetshowlive Awesome. Do you recommend getting the V2 or V3 then? I do have someone who's giving away their V2 for like a grand, so it's definitely easy on the budget compared to the $3k V3 suit. But I don't mind spending the extra cash as long as the V3 gives better results. But I guess it really depends on how much better? Like is it worth the extra $2k spend? From what i've seen I think the V3 has better hip bone adjustment in sitting poses and can handle faster more action oriented movements, but i've never used it so I dunno. Also, with the V2 now out of their official store, finding replacement parts might be an issue as well, cuz i'm not sure if the replacement parts for V3 and V2 are interchangeable. Thanks again!

Vive is the one for me. I just need to figure out how to make it work with Blender

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

You'll need to use the Unreal Vive mocap plug in. $120. But it should export .fbx to use and retarget in Blender

@Theo_Blackledge

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms Thanks for that. Is it complicated to set up? I've had a little play around with Unreal but not much.

Rokoko suit/$2500 or Perception neuron 32 with finger tracking/$1499?

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

I went with the PN and and totally happy with it!

@benchjulianrubino5332

3 жыл бұрын

how much you spend on it?

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

@@benchjulianrubino5332 about $1300

@benchjulianrubino5332

3 жыл бұрын

@@thejetshowlive do you have sample footage?

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

@@thejetshowlive can you please show us a sample retargetted PN animation? that's what counts.. real footage of raw data retargetted. :)

The license is expensive for Indie

Xsense doesn't make sense I'd prefer to buy a car and do animations by hand for the rest of my life

@klixflux1473

3 жыл бұрын

I take my bike and have to animate in my life never again :)

I wish Xsens annual fee isn't that high. :

Just for clarification, Xsense was definitively NOT used in production for any Halo or Destiny project. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnaNttyEpsicZco.html

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Well actually; facebook.com/176979725705156/posts/2778647075538395/

Ron, due respect...I'm going to go over everything you said about the Perception Neuron Suit and correct all the fallacies you laid out. I don't want people to think you're an authority on PN Suits and make a decision based on your misleading opinions. Your BASICALLY saying: "I've NEVER TRIED Chocolate Ice Cream...but I can tell you with all certainty, it's not good. I called the makers of the ice cream...and you know what they admitted to me? That it's COLD. This ice cream is hard to eat, not that I've ever eaten it...just from what I've SEEN. Again, I am ONLY an observer of the chocolate ice cream, I've never actually...tasted chocolate ice cream...but I can PROMISE you that chocolate ice cream is not good. " What the WHAT?! That is totally illogical. You've said several things regarding the PN Suit: The MOST important thing you said was: "I Don't own a Perception Neuron." - You speak on it like you are an authority but then wash your hands of any culpability by adding the off handed disclaimer, "But I don't own one and I don't really know." So, I just want to ask you: Why speak on it if you DON'T know? It makes you look..."naïve", to say the least. 14:38 "Perception Neuron, people say it is the best, the cheapest and the easiest to set up and I disagree." - How do you know? You don't own one or have ever used one...how can you say that? 15:40 The creators even admitted this to me because I was confused....There are like 32 or 40 something trackers. little chips...for your fingers, for your whole body." - First off you say "they admitted to me" as if you caught them in a lie. Yes, there are 32 sensors not "40 something" again showing you how much you know about the PN. OF COURSE there are "chip"...ALL SUITS that transmit mocap have sensors in them! What do you think is in the Rokoko and the Manus gloves?! How many total sensor do you think are in a Rokoko Suit PLUS the Manus Gloves? Do the math. There are probably the same amount of sensors that are in the PN. 16:07 "These need to be taken off and charged individually...I think." - THERE you go thinking again! You're lack of knowledge is SO misleading. They don't have to be charged and you don't HAVE to take the sensors out of your suit every single time, I would advise that you do though. I take them out and store them in the anti-magnetic case because it's called "Best Practices", if you leave the sensors in...you run the risk of ruining a sensor or magnetizing it. 16:14 "...but regardless, if I'm wrong about that, this suit takes a long time to set up...from what I've seen." - Again, you've not set one up so how would you know? It takes as long as it takes, it's not like slipping into a onesie. 16:20 "...again, I am only and observer. I've never actually bought the suit because it takes forever to set up. I don't think anyone can deny that." - Here you go again with those statements , you're shirking responsibility for your lack of real world knowledge and trying to pass off opinion as fact.. If you never bought one and you've never set one up, how do you know how long it's like to set up? What would be a satisfactory amount of time to get ensure that you get good motion capture data WITH FINGER motion capture? 16:45 "It discalibrates" (is that even a word?) if you put it next to a keyboard." - 100% False. Will the hands (or any part of the suit for that matter) lose calibration when put next to a magnet or something giving off a magnetic field? YES, 100%. This usually happens when someone who does not understand how the suit works, tries to pilot the suit and operate the software at the same time ON A LAPTOP. You see Ron, a laptop's most magnetic components in the TRACK PAD which just so happens to be right next to the keyboard. The track pad gives off a magnetic field that messes with the transmitters in the hand. I've used a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse and I get as far away as possible from computer so I don't mess up my transmitters. This is why one should always "prep their area" and check to see if anything in the space the actor will be working in will affect the suit. I download a free app from the Google Play Store onto my phone called a "Magnetometer". This app reads fields that can affect the suit. You see, when you understand what makes the suit tick and what affects it, you are better armed to deal with whatever situation can arise and get the most out of your time and the mocap actors performance. When we check the area that we will be doing our mocap performance in, we call that, "prepping your workspace". If you prep your work space and and calibrate your suit correctly you can get some really decent data. Now is there inherent issues with these types of suits, of course. Over a LONG take there can be drift but that happens to most inertial suits. If I'm not mistaken it happens to the Rokoko as well. 16:50 "I don't know how annoying it is to calibrate...but I do know that it's wasted time" - That's just it, you don't know. It take like 15 seconds to recalibrate. You make it sound like it's a horrible thing, it's not. 17:00 "So if you buy a perception neuron you better have a friend, someone else helping you ever single time you want a motion capture." - Again False, that just NOT true. We covered that above at 16:45. 17:08 It just looks really really Janky and messy (*opinion)...but again I've never used the suit.(*excuse for opinion) - You've never used the suit, so what you're REALLY saying is you don't KNOW anything about it. If you look at the footage at the side by side footage of the dancer and the skeleton 15:20, HOW can you say that is Janky? Your credibility is very questionable. 23:36 "I promise you, I haven't tried Perception Neuron but I promise you the data is gonna be better. You might not get finger tracking but honestly as far as my work in animation, people really do not really pay much attention to fingers and unless your trying to do so something specifically with fingers with an animation it is much better to just forget about it, forget about it. PN is going to cause more errors in the long term then you know." - I question everything about your ideology sir. If you think that people DON'T look at fingers, foot slides, feet intersecting with the ground , facial mocap...you haven't been in this game long enough or your idea of what is good animation needs to be recalibrated. Honestly, how can you even put the Perception Neuron in your conversation without knowing anything about it? I'd say that isn't a fair assessment., wouldn't you? Then you go onto say that Rokoko, has to sort out its magnetism issues and when you use it, it may or may not work. You have to cross your fingers. Ron, prep your work area my dude. Know how these things work and work within the constraints. Put the work in. You might get a better mocap experience.

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Well the fact i said i haven't ever used it is a clue everything i said could be wrong. What I said is what people with the suit have said about it themselves as I've seen reviews and people talking about it. So yeah obviously I have no experience on it. I'd be down to review the suit and send it back and be as far as possible, assuming you work for PN.

@kittyredd6952

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mind if i ask a followup question? The care & caution warning to avoid exposures to keyboards, mouse, headphones is the biggest reason why I haven't picked up the PN yet. Your explanation that it's primarily a problem with track pads is pretty relieving I must say! lol My planned use for it is to drive an avatar for lets play style videos, so mainly sitting at a PC. I don't use a laptop and the computer itself and monitor are set pretty far back from my mouse/keyboard space. Do you think I would risk damaging the PN in this space or get terrible tracking?

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

@@kittyredd6952 Hi Kitty, I wouldn't go so far as to say that you would damage it...possibly throw it out of "alignment" and need to recalibrate? Perhaps. I tend to recalibrate after ever other take. Again, the recalibration only takes a few seconds. Take it from someone who actually owns one and has used one. Just sayin'.

@kittyredd6952

3 жыл бұрын

@@thejetshowlive Thanks for your reply :) I'd seen some reviews"of it that harped a lot on the possibility of damaging it because you used your computer with it on, so I've been hunting for someone who owned one to ask. It's good to know that re-calibration is quick.

@thejetshowlive

3 жыл бұрын

@@kittyredd6952 You're welcome. Here is the deal: Personally, having actually used it myself...I don't fear damaging my sensors because I do not constantly place them in harms way. Best Practice dictates that you avoid any magnetic interference...so I do my very best not to come close to anything magnetic that my throw off the calibration or "ruin" the sensor. I think it's safe to say that a sensor can get ruined if it there is prolonged exposure to a strong magnetic field. So why risk it at all? Get the Magnetometer app from the Google Playstore and use it to check for any magnetic fields. You'd be surprised to how much magnetic fields some things give off. If I'm going to check for any magnetic fields on the floor I'll be working on, I start the app, place my phone (without the case on) on a piece of paper and slide it along the floor to see if there are any hotspots. I would also check the chair that you are doing to be using to see if there is any iron that will affect the sensors. Bottom line, do your homework. Unlike some...and you should get some really good results. I hope it works out for you, best of luck!

He’s comparing a 7500$+ suit to a 2500$ suit?

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Ya

Perception Neuro is very funny,

Are you still selling your suit?

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

woah woah woah.. How much a year? For software?! That type of price only makes sense for a larger studio that know they will see a return on it. If you're a smaller company or a solo dev just trying to make something of reasonable quality, That's a complete ass raping after spending thousands on the hardware already.

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

If you can afford it its good. Its really expensive for sure

@aliinaboricua8040

3 жыл бұрын

but you save money on hiring for CLEANING mocap... i think is ok!?

Hoping another company like Rikoko brings out a better suit as I'm not getting replied to from xsens and as a new user id need good customer service. There pricing system seems to be made up on the spot by Dr Evil with his pinky in his mouth.

Looks like Xsens is deliberately trying to keep PN and Rokoko in business or it's just a poorly thought out pricing model. I intend to buy a PN3 for $3400 rather than an Xsens for $3790. Why? I'm not ready to shell out $2k every year for a subscription. Although just realizing that they have a monthly subscription option, I may reconsider it. Either way, this is the most indie-unfriendly pricing I've ever seen for a product largely needed by indie as well.

Your opinion is not balanced.

So you're complaining that the wifi is interupting data flow and your using a community internet wifi access point? Just use your own wifi router.

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

I have

Is the rokoko still for sale?

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

I disagree with you Rokoko is the best choice from all the suits you mention. I don't have the problem you mention. Cheaper, good quality(If you use the filters) and easy to use.The only disappointment I have with them is, they promises the globs should come out at the beginning of March and now it is July and still no word from them.

@cephotoclub

4 жыл бұрын

september now apparently

@aliinaboricua8040

3 жыл бұрын

i would like to know if its really how they say... their animation is this clean as their videos? is a little bit hard to believe that

@AlexKongMX

3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried xsens?

when u start the video with "im selling my rokoku" and "XSens gave me free stuff, please do it again", aswell as then saying UNreal is the only real use. it seems like full tests of the true posibilities have been ignored and the XSens been focused to justifie its cost/ get free stuff :/

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

You're free to thing that but that's why I mentioned both those things. Clarity and transparency! I understand why people feel that tho

Xsens expensive $5000- 7000? Rokoko suits $ 2450. I guess.

This is a great recourse for customers who are working out their motion capture options. Thanks Ron for the overview! Two things: 1. We have special offers in place to make Xsens even more attractive: content.xsens.com/mocap-at-home-special-offer 2. We have a surprise coming up involving Vive! Oh wait.. Maybe, it might already be live. Probably best to check out the download section of Xsens 🤫 And last thing, make sure to check our webinar series! www.xsens.com/webinars 👍

If you have no or very little idea about 3d, you should skip rokoko all together because it will take some cleanup and working around. If your familiar with your 3d software and some animation principles and rigging, rokoko will look good (or even better) than xsens. Now it just depends on how much money you can spend and how much you know about your software. Me personally, Xsesns is a big nono. If you only had to buy that 20k suit, it will be worth the investment but if u have to pay freaking hundreds of dollars yearly, no thanks. I am better with cleaning up the data manually.

jesus don't add background music

Great video. The host is a little gay but very informative.

Ikinema is bought by Apple, they don't exist anymore.

@henrikskymne6865

4 жыл бұрын

Same thing. Its gone..I used it. I can't anymore.

ROKOKO is the worst! I didn't believe all the horror stories before buying it but wow. Awful product and customer service!

The neuron was awful, never usable data. 3 is much better.

Dude, making a comparison video where you keep begging one of the companies for free stuff doesn't show a lot of objectivity or integrity. I love my Rokoko suit and have had no wifi issues (you just need a dedicated router if office/home wifi is weak)

@BryantFilms

4 жыл бұрын

lmao begging is a bit of a reach, I said it would be cool for 10 seconds in a 30* minute video haha Also like I've said in my review, in MY experience, it hasn't worked as advertised. Also Xsens IS impressive, literally game companies like Bungie and film studios like Marvel USE it. If it wasn't impressive it wouldn't be so well known and used.

@MylonasFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Alexander Paez Bruus he wasn't begging . He was just speaking normal just like any of us would talking to a friend. Thanks for the tips on rokoko. You may have changed my mind & now considering buying it.

@KRGraphicsCG

4 жыл бұрын

Yep... and check for magnetic fields in your capture area

@goblin_games

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had exactly the same experience and conclusions with these suits. Xsens is streets ahead.

@freenomon2466

3 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games I agree as well. I have used ipisoft (which is best for the money but hard to setup and slow to process), Orion, Rokoko and xsens it the best and worth the price. Haven't tried PN because few of my friends own them (PN 1 and PN2, PN Pro and PN studio even) and none of them has shown me good high quality mocap.. none...