Narrator: “I have no idea what’s going on.” Also narrator: talks over the complete explanation of what happened from the players and the floor.

@mak.lee_pnw5098

2 жыл бұрын

That dude needs a penalty

@redmatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I actually said out loud "stop talking so we can hear them" but narrator didn't listen

@stratabegood

2 жыл бұрын

The person talking over the game needs to stfu like anybody asked him anything. The situation bad enough and he's like that's it I'm gonna kill a player like WHAT 😂 talk about blowing up a situation even further then it had to be.

@stallion2907

2 жыл бұрын

That's all I ever say when I listen to narrators. None of them know when to stfu.

@scotmaciver

2 жыл бұрын

@@redmatrix We heard you the first time.

I worked in poker for 7 years as a dealer/floor/td and I never saw anyone do this without agreeing to it first lmao that’s wild

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

They did agree to it that's why the guy spread his cards and said pick one

@aplasticbag69420

2 жыл бұрын

@@natew8882 yeah you can tell by the player on the rights reaction that he was definitely in agreement. The complete look of shock and him calling the floor was further proof he was ok with what was going on. It’s not like there’s an entire video about it.

@genapp3603

2 жыл бұрын

@@natew8882 yeah when you say pick one, it's usually for the player to still turn over their own card, you don't touch someone else's cards or it's a straight ban

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

@@genapp3603 I think it could go either way. I have played thousands and thousands of hours of No Limit Hold'em and it just depends on the situation and the players and what they agree to. I will say though that surely when you have an agreement to expose one of your cards it really doesn't matter who turns it over and it usually is the choice of the other person. I don't think that Josh did anything wrong. First and foremost it's every player's responsibility to protect their hand. When he spreads his cards and allows Josh to turn one over he could have stopped him at any point and he did not.

@genapp3603

2 жыл бұрын

@@natew8882 you don't think Josh did anything wrong hahaha that's enough from you then

The look on Josh's face when he flips the card over and see its a heart he knew immediately

@stephenmerasty1420

6 ай бұрын

He had to have known he was beat with that terrible bluff. That's probably why he did it. Was probably hoping it wouldve voided the hand

would be so much more entertaining if Josh was actually bluffing with Ace of heart blocker and the guy flipped over the Ace and folded lmao

@basedbear1605

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment here!

@zachariahmena3518

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that would have been absolutely priceless (edit: well, I suppose "priceless" is a poor way to put it)

@robg915

10 ай бұрын

That would have been justice.

@chrishamilton1678

8 ай бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

@sammearle

8 ай бұрын

That would be amazing lmao

if you wanna play the "I'll show you one of my cards" game during a hand, turn your card over yourself, don't ever tell anyone else at the table including the dealer that they can turn it over, I've never seen this happen in my entire life, never touch another players cards for any reason

"Oh so the penalty is sitting out a round - I'm cool with that" What a baller move.

@andylymbo

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sitting out of a cash game. Harsh penalty.

@sn00py_1

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I play poker with a guy that when he flops the nuts but there are draws available (and pot was somewhat large preflop) he will shove all in say it and table his cards because he knows he will receive the orbit penalty but that he in most cases will also take the pot. He thinks it's a good trade off not to get drawn out on lol

@ytlongbeach

2 жыл бұрын

@@sn00py_1 intentionally violating the rules because the penalty isn't strong enough, should bump the penalty to a dead hand (lose the pot).

@jackrodgersjr

2 жыл бұрын

The players hand is dead…

@ytlongbeach

2 жыл бұрын

I've changed my mind on this one. I watched Bart Hanson's analysis, which seems pretty spot on. JDogg was angling here.

after assessing the situation, The words exchanged caught on tape: Josh got verbal confirmation after asking to flip dogg's hand and consider flipping one of josh's...josh is fine. though bad etiquette in general. Who the hell would not snap call a backdoor flush O_O J dogg petty af and has some issues in real life that could attribute to that.

@rellyrue18

2 жыл бұрын

Well as long as YOU say hes fine....

@wrx2hot4u

2 жыл бұрын

Jdawg likes it RawDawg from behind.

@easymoney7007

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. 4 seat deserves a punch in the face for being such a super NIT and wasting everyone's time.

@rhcp4life697

Жыл бұрын

Nobody cares what you think, and your OPINION is irrelevant and obtuse

@iwishiwasthomasshelby

Жыл бұрын

In China this happens a lot. They’re like 20 years behind the rest of the world on etiquette.

This is just like watching live sports. Idiot announcers making assumptions about situations, when they have no clue what is going on. Love it

@firstfamily8514

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing like flag on the play fouled not over ruled but pay for what you did

@appleman957dontcare5

Жыл бұрын

well the dealer should have stepped in the moment he touch other other players cards. Also dead that guys hand for un sportsmanship i know this poker but you know the basic rules and if it was my game would politely ask that guy to never comeback to the game

@spin-rg9ib

10 ай бұрын

how did the announcers make assumption they just said what the situation was.

@robg915

10 ай бұрын

​@spin-rg9ib because the announcer is automatically blaming Josh when he has no clue what was discussed amongst the players. The guy is already flipping a card over gives him no advantage. The only advantage was to Jdogg that's why he's begging the floor to let him flip a card. Grimey move in my opinion.

@SevakDasadarian

10 ай бұрын

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Way to go J Dogg. Now you'll be known as the Alec Torelli of TCH. Nice angle.

@okiepokertraveler1718

Ай бұрын

It wasn't J Dogg who was angling, it was Josh...rofl

@pc4424

20 күн бұрын

@@okiepokertraveler1718no watch again

@Zeldarulah

20 күн бұрын

​@@okiepokertraveler1718 How so? The action is done for him. The information is now irrelevant. They clearly had a discussion about flipping a card and then he did it and then the guy tries to get him taken out

@Jimmy_Rings

17 күн бұрын

Yeah seriously. Like i get it, don’t ever touch another players cards but Josh was already all in. So whether Josh knew one or even both of J dogs cards was completely irrelevant, he was all in and nothing was changing that. Josh hastily flipped over J Dog’s card just to know whether he was screwed or not and J Dog took that opportunity to try and get Josh kicked out which was a puss move IMO

He was all in. The other players hand that has a decision to make doesn’t matter anymore. No more action can be made by the all in player. Sounds more like jdog angled this guy and then when he flipped the card made a big deal about it.

@kyth8964

2 жыл бұрын

Not necessary true, because josh could still try and use words to play this situation. If J dogg wanted to flip over his hand first to show josh, and try and pick up a tell from josh. Then whatever, but josh should have never touched J dogg‘s cards. If this was a ufc fight, and the fighters say to each other, if you let me poke your eyes, and I’ll consider letting you poke mine too. Now, does that give you the right to poke your opponent’s eyes ?

@moremilesmoreproblems6330

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyth8964 is this a ufc fight? He told him to pick a card. Obviously there would be no reason for Josh to expose a card when the only person left to make a decision is jdog. Jdog angled this situation and targeted someone that English wasn’t their first language. He should have chosen to call or fold and not grabbed Josh’s cards because everyone said he couldn’t.

@dragonproductions236

11 ай бұрын

@@moremilesmoreproblems6330 "English is not my first language" is a bad excuse, if you know the language well enough to play in the first place, you understand what's being said.

@vwazp

6 ай бұрын

makes alot of sense, jdog seems to be a bitch

@kevinjiang2613

6 ай бұрын

​@@dragonproductions236josh should be penalised for touching someone cards but jdog was obviously angle shooting here

Josh was naive to fall into JDogg’s trap of turning over his cards. That was a stupid move on his part. However, the real angler here is JDogg. He is the one that stands to gain an advantage by turning over one of the cards. He made it seem as though Josh turned over his card without his permission, although it is clear that Jdogg let Josh do it. Also, quite disappointed at the floor and the TCH team. The floor did not make a correct judgement at that point in time. The commentator and editor of this video were also very biased towards JDogg and made it seem like it is entirely Josh’s fault.

@robg915

10 ай бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

@Nathanfx2006

10 ай бұрын

It only became an issue when Josh refused to flip one of his cards and made the vital mistake of touching someone else's card. The whole situation was fucking stupid. Yeah JDogg finessed the situation and had the most to gain by seeing 1 card due to Josh already being all-in. Like I said it's just dumb.

@cookypuss8603

10 ай бұрын

Jdogg can't be the angler. If they agreed to each see one of the others cards they should flip there own card over. If they were on opposite sides of table this wouldn't happen. Josh was the idiot for flipping the card. He knew when he saw the heart that Jdogg probably had the flush cause he was tanking the call. So now if he allows Jdogg to flip his card he knows he loses. So he's going to play dumb like it wasn't an agreement. He was already all in and had him covered so he says the flip really doesn't change anything. Josh is a scumbag. Got his hand stuck in cookie jar.

@06hurdwp

9 ай бұрын

That's becuase it is entirely his fault. Don't touch other players cards. Period.

@jaken.6112

9 ай бұрын

Its not an angle is called having a higher IQ than your opponent. JDogg made an agreement that Josh didn't want to hold up, very simple, quit trying to make it anything else

Why is everyone flaming Josh? J Dogg is clearly angling. Really scummy move when Josh seeing one of his card doesn't change anything, but him seeing one of Josh's cards will decide the hand. He is agreeing to play on a live stream for entertainment and instead he held up the game to whine at the floor.

@TheOnlyXenux

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter if it changes anything. If they discussed showing each other’s cards and he flips one without showing his then J Dogg is in the right. If they didn’t and Josh flipped over a card without consent then I 100% support J Dogg for having the right to flip one of his cards. It’s not angling, he asked for it.

@jeremystark3350

2 жыл бұрын

Jdogg is clearly a clown.

@mak.lee_pnw5098

2 жыл бұрын

J dog had an easy snap call imo, all that extra shit was a clown move on his part. Fully agree with Sam

@liyexiang666

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOnlyXenux the problem is ：this rat jdogg AGREEed to show one of his card while let josh CONSIDER show him one. josh never say u show me one the i ll show u one. he said u show me one then i ll consider show u one. he made a big mistake on playing And believeing a rat

@Emmanuisaac

2 жыл бұрын

@@liyexiang666 we can’t really hear what they said, but come on let’s be honest, who’s showing someone else their card in exchange of nothing? But then again, jdog should’ve realized that if John wasn’t willing to show him one card back he was prob bluffing

Pretty clear angle from Jdogg. Josh's decisions are finished and he has minimal, if anything to gain from seeing a card. Although he should get some type of punishment for flipping an opponents card. Very strange for him to agree to show a card with his exact holdings.

@marclewis7925

2 жыл бұрын

yep.....i know josh & play in this game....the whole idea made zero sense from his POV

@Copypastedates

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was using his victim mentality to try and angle the floor into a sure fire optimal decision. His pu$$y was extremely hurt for not too much reason. If it was the turn or something or the guy wasn’t all in that’s a different story.

@jcw8955

2 жыл бұрын

JDogg hustled him hard

@troy6679

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely an angle what a rat

@___Truth___

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcw8955 Damn near pimped out josh xD

In what world would Josh agree to show the hand he is at risk of getting called with, win or lose? Literally defeats the point of the game lol

Lol. The penalty for flipping a card is to sit out a round? Totally worth it. I need to pee anyways.

@HouseOfMontague1

2 жыл бұрын

This just tells me this is a shit poker house, the floor ruling was terrible.

@simonebraito3059

2 жыл бұрын

For one round? I gonna flip them any time i want 🤣

@dingaonhockey

2 жыл бұрын

That makes 0 sense as a penalty in a cash game...lose a big blind and small blind?

I think J Dogg handled the situation poorly. You could tell he saw this was a way he could "angle shoot" his opponent. What Josh did was stupid and he should have been given a penalty, but to be fair, it did not change the outcome of the hand whereas J Dogg flipping over Josh's card did. Side note: J Dogg tanking this long with a backdoor flush is a crime in itself.

@josephcorrente8484

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously. I cringed watching this. How the hell was that not a snap call? Then the tanking and angle shooting is egregious. Both of these guys are clowns

@joshuasethhill3518

2 жыл бұрын

THIS!

@donpablo838

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm let me check raise the flush draw I picked up on the turn and then fold the river to a jam when I hit 😂

@WillPage

2 жыл бұрын

LOVE this comment .... Exactly!!!!!!

@howardchen3456

2 жыл бұрын

Should've just shutup and let him fold.

I get he shouldn’t have flipped over his card but it had no influence on the hand. He was already all in ….

@marcom.carioba8776

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a clear angleshoot from J Dogg. He should be ejected from the game, nasty personality. Acting all up when it has 0 influence on the outcome. Besides he has the easiest call in that spot.. hes never folding. What a douche

@bradensmith8170

2 жыл бұрын

Such a dick move by J Dogg! I hate the way this was handled.

@huyenthoai9979

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree...the dick taking advantage of josh mistake....

@aguilas1999

2 жыл бұрын

Josh messed up... what is he a noob.... never ever touch another man's or females chips or cards.... that's how you get shot in the wild wild west movies jeje

@carsonmasters7932

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but they had an agreement that they would BOTH flip 1 card. When the other guy didn’t want to flip a card he acted stupid.

This was a very poor floor ruling. You don’t make a ruling to turn over someone’s hand. Table etiquette agreements between players should never be enforced by floor, in this case all he said was he would consider it. Josh out of line for turning over the card himself but this is not out of the norm at card rooms, it’s then a little scummy to weasel out of showing one, but that’s for the players to enforce and deal with. Jdogg was the one trying to get information by showing one of his cards and slowing the game down. Most good floors would simply force jdogg to make a decision and then give josh a stern talking to and maybe a ban. Players would likely shame josh and never make bets with him in the future. Josh could redeem himself by chipping the pot with jdogg but this was piss poor handling overall. Amateur hour

@cvanunen

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that side agreements between players shouldn't be enforced by the floor, so in that case Josh's hand should have been dead, no further conversation required. Surely you agree that turning over someone else's cards goes beyond any agreement they may have had, no? It's not the wild west where you play poker is it? Guys flipping opponents cards, the house shrugging it off saying "we don't enforce stuff, you guys have to work it out. Please use knives or fists only, we have a no gun policy here at wild west poker room."

@jerelpowell7288

2 жыл бұрын

@@cvanunen Josh touched both cards several times when he was deciding which card he wanted to see, if Jdogg had a problem with that he could have said something then or protected his cards, whether it was Josh or Jdogg flipping the card is irrelevant to me. Josh was never going to show his card no matter what Jdogg's card was, in my opinion he entered the agreement in bad faith which is why I would ban him.

@mikealldread9045

2 жыл бұрын

@@cvanunen jdogg knew what he was doing. He could have easily stopped josh,but instead he laid his cards out to be turned over, watched josh play eenie meenie miney mo, knowing he could call the floor and maybe get his hand thrown out. This is 100 percent an angle by jdogg and anyone defending this garbage shouldn't be playing

@cvanunen

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikealldread9045 Fair enough. I’ll have another look.

@mikealldread9045

2 жыл бұрын

@@cvanunen maybe I am seeing it completely wrong, it happens. But thats how I see it myself

Let this be a huge lesson, once you're all in it's just best to keep your mouth shut and not move. the fact he didnt snap call is more than enough to not move. and if he starts talking to you DONT RESPOND the more confident you look the more folds you will get. they know the price to see your cards and free shouldnt be an option.

Nice angle "J DOGG" ya "D BAGG" Also wtf was the floor doing?! Makes a ruling, player says basically "no fuck off" flips the card and just bully's the pot out of the situation?? Floor should of told him to shut up, ended the hand and chopped the pot or enforced whatever penalty that was ruled.

@WHEREAMI42

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is a huge angle taking advantage of Josh's naivety - the lesson: play stupid games win stupid prizes. How did flipping the card affect D Bagg: it did not. Bad decision by floor.

@20dollas

2 жыл бұрын

jdoggs hand should be dead. he never got permission to flip josh’s card.

Clearly an angle by Jdogg. josh doesnt get any information by seeing jdoggs cards because josh is all in. jdogg gets A LOT of information by seeing joshs cards. PLUS jdogg agreed to let josh turn one over and then he was like: hE cAnT jUsT tUrN oVeR oNe oF mY cArDs

@06hurdwp

9 ай бұрын

He agreed to let him turn one over in exchange for turning one of his over. Then backed out of it like a fucking weasal.

@dustyflair

6 ай бұрын

the dude was already ALL IN. So it didnt matter. What was he going to do? Go double all in?@@06hurdwp

@bartok1378

3 ай бұрын

Statistically he gains nothing. But this poker where people fold their hands over being bluffed. Any information you get can be used to cause your opponent to fold. So I disagree that just because he went all in that it doesn't matter.

Clearly Jdogg didn't object until he realized Josh didn't want to show. He was touching Jdoggs cards prior to flipping it with no objection. This type of gamesmanship is good for the game vs stoic boring play. Backdoor flush with less than a pot size bet should have been a snap call and no drama.

J dogg was angling in this situation but you also never flip someone else’s card over. J Dogg got exactly what he wanted and actually went against the floors ruling by also flipping josh’s card. Both of these players take responsibility for this foolishness.

@scoobybills

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessurr7757 the thing is was the hands your talking about live? I understand he was already all in but the only time another player flipped one of my cards was when he already mucked and I let them choose one

@RogueStatusX

2 жыл бұрын

what fucking part of jdogg let josh flip that card over, dont you fucking understand?

He went all in to be fair. It doesn't really matter if he sees a card at this point. To me jdog wanted to see one of his cards. 100% shouldn't flip an opponents card but nether should jdog, difference is jdog gained an advantage because of it.

@williamzagarella8066

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. He didnt want to be a real poker player and just make the call. He wanted the guys hand to be dead 🤣 such a baby

@sadanturker

2 жыл бұрын

j dog really wanted that 2k.

@pisnlve3604

2 жыл бұрын

But we have to understand that most of the guys there are not in that table just to merely play. Most if not all of them are there to earn money. Poker is a game where you capitalize on any mistake made by your opponent. He just did what hes got to do. If you do not know the rules why play the game? If we see josh" action to be legal then, him flipping josh" card should be legal too.

@andylymbo

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah free info isn't an advantage at all 💀💀💀💀🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴

@seankiesling2054

2 жыл бұрын

@@andylymbo exactly

Just call already nit. How do you even consider folding a flush given the action?

@Mrclean431

2 жыл бұрын

Possible higher flush duh.

@ssj6gotenks1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mrclean431 nit

@yoyoduh9775

2 жыл бұрын

But if he puts higher flush draws in villain's range he should probably fold turn. I don't know what else he's expecting hitting this river. 3 6's will give him the nuts. 3 J's will give him a straight. And any heart is a flush. You can't call the turn to hit an out on the river just to fold when you get it. Sometimes you have to get it in even when you don't have nutted hands otherwise you'll get bullied on the table.

@nickfromyuma1691

2 жыл бұрын

@Matt Neil agreed. he's never folding especially considering he backdoored the flush. that being said, it looked like josh was on the tipsy side and used bad judgment regardless of the conversation.

@ucpham1844

2 жыл бұрын

That was an easy snap call but he kept crying like a bitch lol

Wow, I have to disagree with the comments here! Josh is already all in, so J Dogg can only gain information by observing his reaction. Cant hear what they said but probably Josh thought they agreed on, you show me one and I may show you one. Miscomunication and it was not like Josh just flipped over his card, JDogg let him do it. Still stupid, but I dont see a reason to vilify Josh

@wastedbread8036

3 ай бұрын

was an easy call anyways

besides the fact that goofeball shouldnt touch other players cards , this is such a nit roll by that other guy :-D

@Max-bf8uf

2 жыл бұрын

LOL yea that's such an easy call

@marcom.carioba8776

2 жыл бұрын

J Dogg is a hypocrite. Wtf he’s never folding his hand in that spot. Such a shady character. He tells Josh he will show him a card, Action is on him, so it has no fucking relevance to the outcome of the hand. He is a conman, I can smell it from here.

@marcom.carioba8776

2 жыл бұрын

J Dogg should be ejected from the game for being such a nasty individual.

@briank3799

2 жыл бұрын

@@Max-bf8uf easy 4 you to say you can see his cards. Dude jamed all in for over 2000 bucks on the river, which was 2×bigger than the pot. After all there are 4 other potential fushes bigger

@chriss1034

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely felt like an angle. Like he was pretty sure he had the best hand but could try to leverage this as a forfeit from his opponent just in case he was up against a higher flush. He knows he's never folding in that spot.

I more amazed at the fact that you have a KZread account named just "Josh"

@ILLIFIED77

2 жыл бұрын

@@NorCalPhil Me too!

@jon1630

2 жыл бұрын

@@ILLIFIED77 hi Jon here

A lot of videos try to create drama by using misleading titles but this is truly one of the craziest things I have ever seen at a poker table. That wouldn't even fly in my weekly $30 game. Unreal.

@brianelizardo6375

2 жыл бұрын

He would be getting fitted for dentures if he did that At Foxwoods or Mohegan. 💯 probably there too if it wasn’t televised. Your not playing the house when u play poker. Your playing other guys. And some ain’t as nice as this guy was

@skrufy11

2 жыл бұрын

Ehhh i disagree, i play some alot of homegames. Its def clickbait. Like him flipping the card over does not change or effect the hand at all. It just barely effects future hands if they play together. Like they had to be semi friends. Why would u let some guy touch ur cards. Its ur job to protect ur hand.

@TheOmgWtfLawl

2 жыл бұрын

@@skrufy11 There is a huge difference between a home game and playing at a casino/card room it's called etiquette and general respect for property (however temporary) to not touch or take what is not yours. Yes there was some sort of agreement but the other bloke also tried to renege on his part of the agreement which is just bad form. Would of asked this gentlemen to leave and to not return in the future too much of a pain those kinds of people.

@bennyblanco675

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianelizardo6375 I was at foxwoods about 10 days ago and some old white hair guy at my table was about to beat a lawyer's ass after the lawyer showed up to the table n told the guy to shut the f up like 2 minutes after he sat down lol. Night before some shi went down too but wasn't at my table. Gets heated in the mean streets of 1/2 at foxwoods

@skrufy11

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOmgWtfLawl i agree with u, but im just saying, the title shoulda been, "nit tanks with the nuts, and 1 card is flipped over that doesnt affect the action". Not as crazy or big of a deal as i thought it was gonna be

great video! How about showing us what happened after the hand? Did the dude leave or get kicked out? You can't really give him a penalty in a cash game right? If he's forced to sit a round it doesn't hurt him in anyway.

What Josh did was inexcusable and he should have received a harsher penalty than one round. But the penalty for J dogg should be far more severe because: 1) j dogg is the one still to act and exposing Josh’s hand gives jdogg a freeroll with thousand of dollars on the line. Jdogg is the only person who can gain from seeing a card and he forcefully took advantage of situation by breaking the rules. 2) jdogg is intentionally breaking the rules in front of the floor after they gave their ruling, and basically giving a big FU to the floor person and the establishment when he flips over Josh’s card. The discussions during the hand make this situation awkward, but what’s clear is that there was some sort of miscommunication. From the floor’s perspective, they can’t rule on those sort of agreements, esp if one party claims they said they’ll “consider” showing their card. Not at all condoning Josh’s actions. I think he should have been kicked out. But he had nothing to gain from seeing a card, it was pretty clear that he was drunk and was just trying to spice things up for the stream based on his comment right before he flipped over the card. Jdogg had everything to gain and intentionally broke the rules to gain an edge in a $2500-$4k pot. I think the floor should have given a harsher penalty to josh and made the consequences clear to jdogg if he revealed josh's card because his action is still pending. By failing to do so, that made jdogg decide to take advantage of the soft 1 round penalty to gain an edge in this big pot. This can NEVER be allowed to happen. What baffles me the most is the decision to allow j dogg to keep playing on the stream after this hand, without penalty, after he defiantly broke the rules in front of the floor after he didn't like the ruling. This sets up a really bad precedent b/c players need to be able to rely on the floor to impose proper penalties. Saying they won’t allow the “ill show if you show” situation is only a reactionary move, and they won’t be able to prevent all conflicts from arising in the future. As players, we need to be able to count on a proper resolution if someone breaks the rules and does something to gain an unfair edge to win the pot.

@prestonsoulamany7909

2 жыл бұрын

Josh shouldn’t be penalized at all is was an agreement between both josh and j dogg

@raz3rpup

2 жыл бұрын

an agreement? come on, it's poker Phil. what do you think this is?

@top2737

2 жыл бұрын

@@raz3rpup nah this is not tony g style banter angling. this is straight up cheating. if the floorman had a spine it wouldnt even work,he would lose the pot that shouldve been a snap call win, and get banned permanently. so yea, not such a smart move by jfag

How about a different perspective. JDog is clearly angling hard here. Despite the conversation, he allows him to turn a card over knowing he’ll be able to freeroll a dead hand or exactly what played out. There’s literally zero benefit to Josh for JDog showing both cards and JDog knows that. IMO he took full advantage of the situation because he didn’t want to face a “tough decision.” The round penalty seemed fair as JDog wasn’t the one betting and Josh didn’t randomly flip the card up. So yeah, final verdict is that this was a hard angle. P.S this is a fist pump snapcall by the 89hh anyway.

@doubleRprodutions

2 жыл бұрын

Well spotted, was about to comment the same, he basically got himself out of a really tough decision.

@Huyle18

2 жыл бұрын

I think the problem is josh did not want to keep to the agreement and let jdog flip over one of his cards.

@gino838

2 жыл бұрын

@@Huyle18 but all josh said was maybe he'll let j dogg flip a card, unless I heard wrong.

@Huyle18

2 жыл бұрын

@@gino838 if he said that then why still flip over someone elses card?

@gino838

2 жыл бұрын

@@Huyle18 it was very stupid of him to flip the card, I'm not saying it wasnt (I honestly don't have an idea what he was thinking when he did it). They're both in the wrong but j dogg saw an opportunity to use the situation to his favor and did so.

Wow, people would get knocked out for scummy stuff like this in a home game

@imbadatptcgo3227

2 жыл бұрын

Shitttt he should of got knocked out on the spot lmao or dude should of got up and said we going outside rn or what

@andrewgarcia7215

2 жыл бұрын

Dude should've got knocked right out of his seat

@mattneil1449

2 жыл бұрын

Ya that angle from Jdogg was unreal.

@dalereinhold9985

2 жыл бұрын

@J Clearly it was an angle by JDogg. What advantage does it give Josh to turn it over? Absolutely none. He made a mistake,for sure,..but the dick in this scenario is JDogg. He shouldn’t have even needed to call the floor or turn over Josh hand to make that call, based on the action.

@andybakkestuen430

2 жыл бұрын

How is Jdogg a dick? Other players can't break rules of the game just because they are all in. I would never play in that room again after that floor decision.

As someone that occasionally turns one of my own cards face up and engages in table talk when heads up, I have to say that the general reception to this is pretty pathetic. J DOGG doesn't protect his cards and is cool with what seems to be happening until he isn't. Two way street, Josh shouldn't be getting flamed. If you are going to be a nit, at least let the fun players have fun.

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

You are spot-on.

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

And I will add to this. J-Dogg has 2 demands and neither one of them are valid. Josh is not obligated to show either one of his cards. Josh's hand is Not Dead by any means. And J Dogg is not entitled to turn over one of his cards. When he did that he should be kicked out of the game.

@gaborkallai2112

6 ай бұрын

I'd REALLY love to play against you for even a kid would be able to beat you. (judging by what you said)

I wish josh had the A of heart or any card higher than the 9 in his hand, and the other guy flipped any of these, he would have folded for sure 😂😂😂

@brianelizardo6375

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn’t folding. Whether making the call for the right or wrong reason. He was calling his ass down. And honestly the second he flipped Josh’s card his hand should of instantly been mucked. Floor fkd this whole situation up. Was probably staged. That’s why.

@WillPage

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if he turns over a heart, and mucked. Absolute gold. Josh playing, Jdogg angling. Plain and simple.

I mean if Josh went all in and there was only the tankers action left, it wasn't that such a big deal. He apologized for touching his opponents card and self banned himself from there. No need to throw dirt on his name.

@MichaelShinosky

2 жыл бұрын

Intellectual theft is a big deal.

@jefferyzielke7665

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try. That was absolutely disgusting.

@rovekid1

2 жыл бұрын

he threw dirt on his own name 🙄

@julee5071

2 жыл бұрын

Cause yall never made a mistake at a table LOL he was wrong and he admitted it and apologized. What do you want him to do? LOL go back in time and fix it? Didn't he lose the pot anyways?

@stevosrockinmom

6 ай бұрын

5:40 "i didn't touch the card!"

It's pretty clear Josh was given permission to flip over one card, and if he did indeed say he "might" turn a card over depending on what he sees, then the only douchebag in this video is the scarf-indoors guy. He's the only one who's gaining any actual information, considering Josh was already all-in. So, for the scarf-indoors guy, who goes by the lame name JDogg, to try and claim a $3500 pot risk-free or to get to see one of Josh's card is a tool move and for him to demand it is even more telling. The fact that Josh no longer wanted to show a card after seeing a heart is a tell, snap-call and move on. But, instead scarf-boy starts claiming "he can't just flip over one of my cards" when he clearly took off his card protector and spread them so Josh could pick one and then manipulates a free look at one of his opponent's cards, hence an easy call for the pot, because he's JDouche, the angleshooter who wears scarves indoors.

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo

@Matttimmswins

2 жыл бұрын

It was obvious in the vid that they had both agreed to let Josh see a card. But he should have pointed to the card and let JDogg flip it. This wouldn't even be contested if it went down like that. They were both angling, but you can't break that most obvious rule of poker, even if agreed upon.

@TrollJokuMaster

2 жыл бұрын

Excactly. The vibe I got was that Jdogg was knew excactly what he was doing while the asian guy tried to have some fun. Its very clear only JDogg could benefit from seeing their opponents card in this hand, so he is a real fking douchebag for demanding to see one. Massive nit too for not absolutely snap calling the river bet anyways, overall disgusting tbh and Im not even kidding.

@jerryvalentino1065

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matttimmswins the guy josh wasn’t angling at all he had nothing to gain from flipping over the other goofs card. He couldn’t act any further as he was already all in lol

@alial-faesly2902

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on, Josh was robbed and JDogg took advantage of the the language barrier to win the crowd, whatta a total douchebag

The floor made a ruling of one round penalty for flipping someone else’s card instead of making him turn one over himself… so instead of arguing with the floor id just flip josh’s card over myself and sit out a round along side him lol…and also… WTF is he even tanking for… thats a snap call on that run out and action… if it ends up being flush over flush then its just a cooler but you cant ever fold there

@danielrohrig3089

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. So I guess if the floor is saying one round for touching someone’s card he’s leaving it open for others with a hard decision sayin I’ll just turn my opponents card over and make my decision than. Needs to be a stiffer outcome

@dtoad48

2 жыл бұрын

So big pot = flip over both opp cards and say opps I call and sit out a round.

@leoistdoof

2 жыл бұрын

I mean I'd argue it's a very different thing whether you flip over someone's cards when you're already all in vs. when action is on you, so I wouldn't assume that the penalties would be the same

@porkys1029

2 жыл бұрын

@@leoistdoof it is a very different situation for sure.. but they apparently agreed to showing one card each and the idiot with nothing to gain and everything to lose flipped over the card of the person still waiting to act cementing the agreement. Its a very specific situation that would never happen again in a million years

@leoistdoof

2 жыл бұрын

​@@porkys1029 I'm certainly not an expert, but I would have said that such an agreement is against the rules and therefore invalid. As tournament director I'd definitely give a hefty penalty to Josh, but I can't see how you could rule his hand as dead (given that he's already all-in and I don't see a huge advantage) and I can't see how you can rule the other card to be flipped over, especially if there is disagreement that it was agreed upon (and obviously Josh did not mean to agree to show one of his cards, that would have been suicidal). But I'd be curious to get a more definite answer (ideally citing some TD rules)

I play poker for a living, every single day. If the floor ruled that his only penalty was sitting out of a CASH GAME for an orbit , I would have snap flipped over one of his cards too and then just taken the orbit penalty while scooping in the pot

@adarian

2 жыл бұрын

If all they give is a one orbit penalty someone could do this every single time they are in a big hand. One orbit is not much but having some massive info before making a call for a few thousand would be worth it to most players.

@natew8882

2 жыл бұрын

That may be the penalty for the first offense but I would think that the second offense would get him the boot.

The guy who flipped the card was already all in. It’s super common for a guy facing an all in bet to just flip over his cards as he thinks, since there is absolutely no advantage gained for a player who is already all in to know what his opponent holds. Super big angle from j dogg for sure.

@ziko317

5 ай бұрын

Well no. It definetly helps to know if an opponent is deciding between a high or big hand. You will definetly adjust your poker face accordingly. Anyone saying Josh didnt gain advantage knowing the card since hes already all in is special kind of naive.

@maxpower7721

2 ай бұрын

Yup. This is an angle by jdog.

I think it is pretty clear that J Dogg was the only one who would gain any sort of information with that deal. Who cares what J Dogg has once, Josh is already all in. He was hoping that he could corner Josh on this and I guess it worked out for him. While Josh shouldn't be touching any of his opponent's cards (regardless of what his opponent tells him), he gains no benefit from doing this. J Dogg was hoping to trick him into the exact spot that he got into, and because he was unable to deduce that Josh rarely has him beat there, he wanted the easy way out. I hope that Josh learned from this hand to ignore try hards on the river who always pipe up with "show if I fold", "show me one?" etc. J Dogg had everything to gain and even played the sympathy card as if the 9c influenced Josh's decision. Ad then arrogantly called the all-in, once he flipped over one of Josh's cards making it one of the easiest calls when he is sitting there with a flush and seeing an offsuit card. J Dogg is the kind of player that I root for to lose.

@joshuasethhill3518

2 жыл бұрын

The proof lies with the man who uncaps his card voluntarily, and separates them for his opponent to easily pick one of them...then...the angle begins, and a goofball becomes trapped.

@Eouseauctioneering

2 жыл бұрын

Thank god a reasonable point of view. This commentator is outrageous

@joshuasethhill3518

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eouseauctioneering woke drama queen commentator.

The guy who is already all in got screwed even tho he is suppose to not flip others cards. He is all in and has nothing to gain. The guy who flips a card and calls is even worse. Disgusting.

@prisonmike3665

2 жыл бұрын

JDogg told him to flop over one of his cards tho.

Watchinh the video of Bart Hanson's take on this situation made me look at this in a completely different way

The face he makes jason he is no longer of this world 🤣🤣🤣

Misunderstanding, commentator literally instigated the most I have possibly ever seen. Josh's action was done so it's not like he knew what he had before he put him all in.

@danhoward4432

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, this commentator feels very comfortable babbling with confidence on a situation he even admits to not fully understanding. In his own words, "get him the hell out of here".

Penalty for the player, def shouldn’t be invited to streams anymore. However, the floor is the most egregious. That is just bad floor management.

Can’t yall how happy I was to see him call that

Idk whats worse... dude angling or being so bad that he was really contemplating a call there when he judt backdoored a flush. Thats never a fold. If you both backdoored it then so be it but that hand was not played as if anyone had a flush

Everything about what I just saw was tilting.

This hand made me mad lol. The floor and dealer dropped the ball.

@rooksman64

2 жыл бұрын

it has nothing to do with any of that…it’s a snap call with a flush if you’re folding flushes on the river then the game is beyond your bankroll

The verbal agreement they had is irrelevant to the actions that were taken. The only question for the floor should've been "is it okay that Josh flipped over JDoggs card?" If yes, then the hand goes on. If not, decide if the pot is chopped or if it goes to JDogg.

The whole "reveal a card" gimmick is fucking stupid but so are these narrators for not realizing J Dogg clearly arranged for this

I thought the floor was correct in his ruling, just shouldve held his ground and told DBagg that if he flips joshs’ card over his hand is dead. First card flip shouldnt affect action in any way, where as the second one will give the other one a clear advantage. Make rulings based on whats fair not what some angleshooter wants and says is ”equal” or technically correct.

@alial-faesly2902

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@jackspinner4727

6 ай бұрын

Dbagg. Haha.

Kind of seems like an overreaction. He didn't do it to gain an advantage. It seems like he was just confused and thought they were having fun. In the end, it really didn't negatively effect Mr Dogg.

@analyticaldegen986

2 жыл бұрын

A more cynical person might say it very positively affected Mr Dogg and that’s why he allowed it to play out that way 🤔

this is crazy. never seen anything like this in my life

The craziest thing is the guy about to fold with a flush. Sick

There's no way Josh would agree to show one card. None of his cards are good to show.

@Alexander123321ify

2 жыл бұрын

no shit

Seemed like in the end Jdog flipped over a card without the floor giving him permission. Jdog needs to be banned for a long time and Josh needs a shorter ban in my opinion. What josh did was wrong, but it didn't affect anything. What Jdog did was more wrong and clearly an angle.

@youknowthedrill99

2 жыл бұрын

J dogg’s logic was if the floor isn’t going to penalize josh in this hand for flipping over cards than jdogg can do the same thing to josh. Once he heard the floor man say no penalty he applied the logic to himself which I believe to be fair

@sean5910

2 жыл бұрын

@@youknowthedrill99 Floors exist for a reason buddy to create clear rulings. You think it'll really end up well if people can just disregard rulings because they subjectively believe their own form of 'justice' to be "fair"? Get a grip lmao

@youknowthedrill99

2 жыл бұрын

@@sean5910 the point im making is that he didn’t disregard the rules he applied the rules the floor man made to himself which seems fair

@antisan

2 жыл бұрын

@@youknowthedrill99 no he was angling and taking advantage of the situation without waiting for an official ruling from the floor. Josh had poor etiquette but had verbal permission from douchebag to see a card, which douchebag had uncapped and placed in front of Josh. You have poor situational awareness.

@stevosrockinmom

6 ай бұрын

​@@antisanso why, at 5:40, did he say "i didn't touch the card!"?

Dude already went all in

@eiwh88fefffdde

Ай бұрын

then can i just go all in and flip your hand too?

That’s wild as a dealer I would have tried to stop the player from Turing over their card at all no matter the discussion. And once he found out the penalty for him was a fucking round I would have reached over and tabled one of his cards if I was the player. How gross I’ve never seen anything like that.

J Dogg's actions after the card flip show very poor character, whereas Josh just made a mistake. Josh didn't stand to gain much (if anything) from the card flip, especially given his holding (it would be obvious he was bluffing if he showed a card), while J Dogg stood to gain plenty. In this case, the entire pot.

@rjbcards9685

2 жыл бұрын

ye jdogg clearly taking advantage of the situation to get an easy decision. though it probably should be a clear call anyway... like wtf.

@rhcp4life697

Жыл бұрын

Mark you’ve got to be the dumbest and most clueless person in this comment section with a statement like that. That’s impressive! 🤡

@irshicosmos3233

Жыл бұрын

lets play. i flip every hand of you!! jeeeez

@spin-rg9ib

10 ай бұрын

Josh flipped the card over himself. thats on josh not jdog. if they had an agreement thats fine but josh should have had jdog flip the card not himself.

@robg915

10 ай бұрын

​@@spin-rg9ibdoesn't matter the guys already all in. He gains no advantage by seeing a card. The only one who gained an advantage was Jdogg.

I wouldve just went out after the double up hearing about that joke of a penalty.

I'm a poker dealer and have never seen that.

Josh shouldn't have touched the card, clearly. However "J DOGG" is the baddie here. He is clearly angling to get info because he didn't know what to do with his hand.

JDog flipping a card facing action is far, far worse by the way. Basically stole the guy’s money

@ethanruiz3022

2 жыл бұрын

if all josh was facing was a 1 round penalty for turning over someones cards, then hell yeah i'll take a 1 round penalty too for 4k chips. bad ruling by the floor. if missing one round is the penalty then i'd just be flipping everyones cards over during a big hand. dont ever touch another players card for any reason ever in an active hand.

@yrudonking

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanruiz3022 Josh was all in. Him knowing the other guys hand doesnt change anything. The nit was angling because hes scared money clearly. He clearly told him to pick one and then tried to act like they agreed to show each others cards.

In this video: the slowest snap-call of all time.

100% agree, even if there's a conversation/agreement on something let the other player do it for you when it involves their cards/chips/etc and proxy through the dealer

Josh made an honest mistake and apologized. JDogg apparently gave Josh permission to flip one card by removing his card protector and spread his cards. This is just angle shoot then baby cry. Josh is the good guy, and JDogg is the bad guy.

@fevolenko3995

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try "Josh".

@antreaszampas6927

2 жыл бұрын

100% correct

@jjoomusic

2 жыл бұрын

Honest mistake? Let me grab some of your chips and apologize cause its going to be an honest mistake

@jjoomusic

2 жыл бұрын

China man got china man back

@liyexiang666

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjoomusic if i told u to do so，then backstab u by denying the fact i told u too. what about then？

Josh literally got taken advantage of here man. Got handled horribly

@BalotelliFan713

6 ай бұрын

Josh is the Asian dude...how did he get taken advantage of?

@vwazp

6 ай бұрын

because there's no more action for him to take, he was given verbal affirmation to pick a card, and he would consider letting jdog pick a card in return@@BalotelliFan713

That "23 outs" thing looked so inaccurate lol

it's unbelievable all the people siding with Josh. They agreed to flip each's cards and once he saw the heart Josh played dumb like he didn't agree. Jdogg was asking the floor for the hand to be killed. You think he's ever been in a situation before where someone flipped his cards over and he was going to use it as an advantage? If they called it dead then Josh gains a huge advantage by not losing 1700 plus. I don't think Jdogg is getting away from a call there but at that point he hadn't done anything wrong so he should call the floor and understand if he has options.

I remember the days of players not taking to each other, no side bets, no showing cards before the end of the hand and no running it multiple times.

@weezydoesit9399

6 ай бұрын

The good times in other words.

@Rerpesentz

6 ай бұрын

that's because you watch it on tv between people who cheat at casinos

Did he get kicked out after? Sitting out a few orbits in a cash game is pointless as a penalty

I never seen anything like this in my life lol

If I played in this card room and knew that the penalty for flipping over someone's cards is only sitting out one orbit then I would be flipping cards over all day long (probably leading to getting an ass beating).

Look at him practically crying once he realizes one of his cards is to be flipped haha

@maxroeder9385

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, looks more like he’s in amazement/disbelief with what just happened😂

@jerelpowell7288

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxroeder9385 I swear I see this a lot when 2 players are sitting next to each other and they play the which card do you want to see thing. Especially in friendly games.

@mihaialex5662

2 жыл бұрын

:)))))

@WHEREAMI42

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt "J Dogg" 🙄 had been very friendly with him for a time before this, and Josh was astonished that he would make this angle. Bad decision for Josh to flip the card, allowed a free read even without the disgusting and unnecessary angle (it's an easy call). People are jerks especially when money is involved.

@andylymbo

2 жыл бұрын

@@WHEREAMI42 it's not an easy call. It's a call but it's not an easy one when you block all the bluffs. It's moot Josh's hand is dead.

So we can now turn over one card for info and we only have to sit out one round..nice to know

@mattneil1449

2 жыл бұрын

Earth to dingus the guy was already all in. Any information gained after that is moot, because he's already all in. He can't double go all in. Once you are all in there are no more actions for you.

@Byron4343

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattneil1449 wow what a revelation

@williamr4053

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattneil1449 that’s my thought too. Honestly, the only reason why I would be mad in Jdoggs situation was if I showed up to the river with complete air and information is being given to the table without my consent. The action is still on Jdogg to call or fold, no matter if Josh touches his cards or not. Follow the action. All-in action, ok. Josh, please don’t touch players cards. Jdogg, action is on you, do you call or fold?

The audacity on the snake tho... "I didnt touch your card"

First TCH video I’ve clicked on.

They both flipped over there opponents card, in my eyes the second guy was more in the wrong seeing as how he hadn't bet yet.

@Anthony-nv7gd

2 жыл бұрын

Right. Because when first position jams the river, second position has option to bet. 🤯

This floor is trash. Kid should’ve been kicked from game. No room for these type of players. That’s like the guys who after losing a big hand they didn’t want to call a big bet to.. flipping over the opponents mucked cards. No room for that. This is also why dealer should’ve shut down the showing cards talk early on. (What I would’ve done as a dealer to avoid any fuckery) But, all that said. Glad he got to flip a card in repeat. As easy call was made. And kid got punished by losing a sizeable pot for a pointless move. You’re all in. What does flipping a card do?

@MichaelTilton

2 жыл бұрын

Nahhh, don't have to kick him out. He gambled and lost. Punishment should be covering Blinds and Antes for 1 round. Then he can keep playing, having learned a valuable (expensive) lesson

@gwheels25

2 жыл бұрын

Michael that’s just stupid, he could’ve stolen a 3k pot and then paid 15 bucks in blinds as a punishment? Floor should’ve killed his hand and booted him. TCH really made themselves look bad here

@marcom.carioba8776

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwheels25 What u mean? Stolen the pot by flipping his opponents card over when he is all in? Are you high? There is no relevance to Josh seeing his opponent cards. JDogg let him flip over his cards being talking him into it, knowing he would be able to win the pot. He took advantage of a drunk guy. Angleshoot by JDogg

@solidgold899

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcom.carioba8776 you are totally right then he tried to declare his hand dead like he was the floor then he just flipped over a card as if his punishment would have been the same the Asian guy from what I’ve seen of him so far is a fish it’s no need to declare this or even flip over a card put the money in and double up he wasn’t folding a flush either way he made all that noise for no reason

The way that hand was played I dont know how he hasn’t snapped that off instantly. If you get coolered there so be it. You cant be folding in this scenario.

Never seen another player touch someone card unless they pushed it toward the player and said go ahead turn it

dude told him to flip his card.

Oddly enough I had this happen to me once. The guys that run the games were Mobsters they ran pretty big games out of rented air BNB properties. I said to the other player "wtf are you doing now you know part of my hand" and this happened on the turn where nobody was all in or anything he had just called my bet when he did it. The guys grabbed him picked him up off the seat and threw the guy out. They slid his whole stack to me which was probably around $1500. I took a brownie ($100) out of my pocket and tried to hand it to the person who threw him out but he refused to take it so I gave it to the lovely lady bringing us drinks and food. He said he's never seen that in 15 years running games and that he was sorry and didn't want me to leave or not come play anymore. I told him it's all good not his fault it happened. People like this should never be allowed back at a Poker game again.

@WHEREAMI42

2 жыл бұрын

Big difference doing it *mid-game* when there is still action to come vs doing it once you're already all in (it's a negative free roll for Josh).

@mak.lee_pnw5098

2 жыл бұрын

On the turn tho, that guy deserved to get tossed out.

Hahha when the floor said the action continues I fucking loved that he jsut flipped one of his cards over. If he’s allow to do that so the fuck am I! Great job

doesnt matter what was said ..actions speak much louder than words...

Am I missing something? This shouldn’t even be a question. You flip over an opponents cards in a game of poker, you lose automatically. It doesn’t need a separate penalty. The penalty is that you lose the hand.

@TheDjcarter1966

2 жыл бұрын

Uh no...he is already all in flipping over the card doesn't impact anything...the room can take actions after the hand but it shouldn't during...on the other hand as soon as JDogg turned over Josh's cards his hand should be dead. Weak floor didn't help here.

@wouldntyouliketoknow1477

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDjcarter1966 j dogg didn’t call yet. He still had to act. Josh being all in doesn’t mean he can flip JDoggs cards. If Josh wanted he could start hollywooding somehow after seeing the card and influence JDogg. That’s cheating.

@wouldntyouliketoknow1477

2 жыл бұрын

For example: “Jdogg, I hope your other card is a higher heart. I got you beat for now.” I’ve never seen anyone do this in a game. Have you?

@andylymbo

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's def a dead hand, agreed.

@magbotros8818

2 жыл бұрын

@@wouldntyouliketoknow1477 I've seen people flip over someones hand after the hand was completed (almost just as outrageous), Should they automatically lose the hand for doing so?? Just flipping someones hand in and of itself is not wrong especially if given permission to (which josh clearly thought he had).

Okay flipping someone’s card is OOL but he was already all in! It doesn’t matter if he sees the card, this is some playful shit we do at house games. Obviously no place for this in the casino but jdog causing a scene made him look pretty weak IMO just call you’re not folding bd flush. Also the announcer lol

@Emmanuisaac

2 жыл бұрын

Fr! JDogg slow too cause if josh don’t wanna show it’s obvious he got a worse hand 😂

@michaelkrell9794

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Josh seeing the card doesn’t change the action at all. Penalty was the right call. When Josh flips one over back, his hand should have been killed

@branchtana315

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this has been twisted way out of context. J-Dog had a protector on his cards for the entire hand. He uncapped his cards, and then set the cards next to each other in front of him. Also Josh was hovering his hand over J-Dog's cards and touched them a few times before he flipped a card over, and J-Dog had ZERO issue with it. J-Dog was under the impression he could flip one of Josh's cards if he showed one of his cards, which makes no sense at all because J-Dog would gain a ton of info but Josh gains nothing since he's already all-in and has no further action. J-Dog only took issue and began to complain when Josh refused to also show one of his cards. Should Josh have physically flipped over J-Dog's cards, of course not. It's quite obvious though that J-Dog allowed Josh to do it, and then threw a fit after the fact when he realized the agreement wasn't what he initially thought it was.

@branchtana315

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkrell9794 Right, Josh is all-in and thus has no further action in the hand. Seeing one of J-Dog's cards doesn't give action changing information to him. J-Dog just threw a fit after the fact because the deal wasn't what he thought it was. J-Dog thought Josh was dumb enough to show him a card, and got pissed when he realized Josh wasn't that stupid. lol

@seankiesling2054

2 жыл бұрын

What if he planned on mucking and didn't want him seeing what his cards were?!? How is that hard to understand or need explained? Don't ever touch other peoples cards. This would be out of line even had he mucked and Josh flipped one over before the dealer gathered it in the muck.. he received free info no matter how small for future spots by looking at a card. But doing it while the hand is still in play?!? You guys can't be serious

what a strange thing to do when you're already all in

@JasonG123

2 жыл бұрын

never seen anything like that in my life either

IVE BEEN IN HUNDREDS OF GAMES WHERE THE OPPONENT AGREES TO LET THE OTHER PLAYER FLIP ONE. THE COMENTATOR HAS NEVER BEEN IN A ACTUAL POKER CASH GAME

Feel like the dude in the hat is the one behaving poorly, like it doesn’t change anything that you know his hand he just made a big stink cause he wants you to open a card.

@Emmanuisaac

2 жыл бұрын

You could argue the same about the other guy flipping his card, what’s the point if he’s already all in

@iphonelover4610

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emmanuisaac he’s just being dumb and nervous cause he’s bluffing still definitely real bad to touch someone else’s cards

Why did it take the guy so long to call anyway? He had a flush and the board wasn’t paired, he caused the problem by mentally tricking the guy

@rinnotstimpy1

2 жыл бұрын

I just folded when there was 650 in the pot and I made a 275 bet on the river with J3 clubs and the guy shoved all in and I had 1500 behind, its still a hard choice on a allin even if the board isnt paired

Lol JDogg is a genuine nit for not snapcalling lmao. He has the actual nuts when seeing Josh doesn't want to open a card... What a crybaby

He literally told him too 😂😂

why the hell the TD let J Dogg flip Josh's card, AND PAID THE POT AFTER SEEING THAT? holy shit this is a fucking mess

@20dollas

2 жыл бұрын

Jdogg didn’t have permission. he just did it.

If only there was video evidence the floor could have looked at

Has this ever happened before live? Im curious lol

I’ve played in games where I’m certain some level of violence would erupt from something like this

@jas9239

6 ай бұрын

Yeah me too..I’m 37 now, but back when I was around 25, they used to have poker games at this bar close to the house I lived in and that was just not a good idea to have poker games in the bar

@anonymousbosch9265

6 ай бұрын

@@jas9239 my father was the type of guy in the type of family where violence would certainly have resulted

Might as well as spit in his face while he was at it. These are the guys that ruin good games.