It's gotten so bad that even I as a Democrat will be voting for Trump to stop the leftist madness

@chriszelez7970

28 күн бұрын

Good news indeed.

@apachedave

27 күн бұрын

Well...Trump was a Democrat not too long ago!

@thesteammachine1282

27 күн бұрын

I understand you, but you have to know that voting forajab salesman is like choosing the kind nature prison guard that talks to you and sometimes smuggles some food for you on his shift.. but will never open the door for you . Didnt the recent 99% positive combined voting for sending another batch of cash to a particular country not opened your mind ? Why should you choose the lesserbad, when you have the freedom to not choose anythng evil?

@k-ozdragon

27 күн бұрын

@@thesteammachine1282 I hate to tell you this, but our best Presidents were not politicians. That's how our government was supposed to be run. By electing normal people, not career politicians. A lot of people said similar things about George Washington. "Elect a war General? We should appoint a politician!"

@thesteammachine1282

27 күн бұрын

@@k-ozdragon And yet, George Washington was in the same club as the people in congress..freemasons . Its one big brotherhood that constantly fights who is ggoing to be on top '' in front of the people '', but in the gathering, all equal under one entity that dictates their rules . Trump knew very well what happened and stood quiet . Just like the rest . Its really mind blowing how his followers can support him, knowing he said nothing to warn them/save them and they all got that '' beautiful beautifulshot'

When there is a lack of morals, evil fills the empty vessel.

@martinsoukup562

25 күн бұрын

You mean like almost the whole history of Christianity?

@Kookygirl111

25 күн бұрын

@@martinsoukup562 and Catholicism, Judaism, pretty much every man-made religion, communism and socialism, the Egyptian, Roman, Persian empires, as well as the Chinese empires, and every aspect of all human history. Again, when there is a lack of morals, evil fills the empty vessel.

@alfredosalazar526

25 күн бұрын

The point is that we all have morals but it’s those who think their beliefs are superior to others beliefs that force the others into gas chambers. There is not intrinsic morality. Right and wrong are ideas we categorize as right or wrong. Would you strangle baby hitler if you had a time machine? Although you might agree murdering a innocent infant is morally wrong, how could you kill an infant for something they haven’t committed yet or might not ever commit? Life’s complex we shouldn’t act like life is as simple as right and wrong.

@alfredosalazar526

25 күн бұрын

The point is that we all have morals but it’s those who think their beliefs are superior to others beliefs that force the others into gas chambers. There is not intrinsic morality. Right and wrong are ideas we categorize as right or wrong. Would you strangle baby hitler if you had a time machine? Although you might agree murdering a innocent infant is morally wrong, how could you kill an infant for something they haven’t committed yet or might not ever commit? Life’s complex we shouldn’t act like life is as simple as right and wrong.

@alfredosalazar526

25 күн бұрын

The point is that we all have morals but it’s those who think their beliefs are superior to others beliefs that force the others into gas chambers. There is not intrinsic morality. Right and wrong are ideas we categorize as right or wrong. Would you strangle baby hitler if you had a time machine? Although you might agree murdering a innocent infant is morally wrong, how could you kill an infant for something they haven’t committed yet or might not ever commit? Life’s complex we shouldn’t act like life is as simple as right and wrong.

That was the most civilized argument I've heard from a liberal student. I can't even be mad at that kid.

@NeveAugustinB

23 күн бұрын

True, he's smart and he'll go straight to God in his quest for coherence

@ethanchaney1139

22 күн бұрын

He wasn’t a liberal. He just didn’t believe in objective morality.

@MrSandroengland

7 күн бұрын

I can be worried , this kid should never have access to guns. Usually Charlie is able to make this leftist lose their arguments. It didn't happen with this kid and that's a big problem.

@onehitta7892

5 күн бұрын

I don't see how you could derive a political stance from that kid having a religious argument.

@andrewmanderson9055

5 күн бұрын

It would be nice to pull the kid aside after. He doesn’t really understand how his perspective can influence the world. He is speaking from a foundation of ignorance despite thinking he knows about it. Give him a few years, he might get it. I would have loved to see the speaker talk to him afterwords as I think he will look at this later and realize truly what he was saying.

I applaud the young guy for POLITELY debating and not flying off the handle as we usually see. In his defense, he is a product of the absolute CRAP education that's been taught to our youth. I pray for the all the lost, 1 Corinthians 15, 1-4. (For those who don't know, religion is man made, therefore satan made. There is only one way to the one true God in Heaven and that's Jesus Christ. Not religion, relationship.)

@user-xc3xv6gt1o

3 күн бұрын

thanks for acknowledging that he was a good debater despite disagreeing w him

The old saying "If you don't stand for something , you'll fall for anything" seems to apply here.

@sean_haz

29 күн бұрын

He can have a subjective morality he lives by.

@kristoferprovencal3608

29 күн бұрын

⁠@@sean_hazthat’s kind of the point, a subjective morality is a morality of self-interest and both can and will justify anything that promotes that self-interest. He has nothing to stand on, so he’ll fall for anything that benefits him.

@Steve-ev6vx

29 күн бұрын

​​@@kristoferprovencal3608 I follow some content creators from Tennessee and their local followers get mad if they don't include enough bible quotes and praise jesus multiple times, even though the channels are not about faith. When one of these guys started getting pictures of kids trespassing on their land near their pond, these same viewers all started calling for him to murder these people because the law would allow him to shoot trespassers. Do you see the problem here?

@sean_haz

29 күн бұрын

@@kristoferprovencal3608 I disagree. I have moral standards which are subjective but not necessarily in my best interest. For example, when my family needs help I go out of my way to help them, regardless of whether they do the same. I think not doing so is wrong. Or a more concrete example, I don't steal even when I think I can get away with it. Subjective but not in my self interest.

@kristoferprovencal3608

29 күн бұрын

@@sean_haz If you and your family were starving to death would you steal?

Postmodernism and moral relativism have been a blight upon the world. People are lost.

@OlympiaCHUD

Ай бұрын

I’m doing ground level work on how to re-orient towards a self corrective truth seeking process, but it’s messy. My Trantifa time videos are the best example yet of my methodology. I’m not trying to promote myself as much as get people to see there are ways to develop tools to navigate this territory and re-orient around truth.

@Tom-gp9tm

Ай бұрын

I think the argument is unnecessary and kind of stupid. Some things are wrong and never will be right. It might technically be subjective because people have different opinions and how is it possible to say anything is objective but why does it matter when we know murdering is wrong. Whats the point in saying it isnt objective whenever it will never be the right thing to do. I think people just way overthink it.

@Tarie3988

Ай бұрын

Why do all the kids nowadays talk in riddle too? I sometimes doubt they even know what they themselves are saying.

@reginaldcortez8763

Ай бұрын

How??

@k-ozdragon

Ай бұрын

@@Tom-gp9tm The point is that the things you objectively believe as wrong are due to your belief system, which has inherently been granted by biblical values. We've had examples throughout history of societies that put those Christian morals aside, and the results speak for themselves. None of those people believed what they were doing was wrong. How do we know? Because they did them. Simple as that. Your moral compass is informed by these values, whether you realize it or not.

The real worry is how much these children believe what they’re saying. 😦

@PresidentElectA-Abrams

6 күн бұрын

I'm not worried about them eating radioactive sand sandwiches and drinking mercury, everything will pan out just fine after a few meals :)

He has given up his humanity for his perceived intellectualism. God help this young man. Anyone who is of the faith, please pray for this lost soul.

@itsmeagain0

22 күн бұрын

which one should help him??

@knytrydr73

19 күн бұрын

@@itsmeagain0 There is only one.

@MarkCox21125150

19 күн бұрын

well said - nailed it

@onehitta7892

5 күн бұрын

In what way does his position give you the impression that he gave up his humanity? He is simply explaining that there is no objective measurement of right or wrong; it is what the individual perceives as right or wrong in regard to a collective, cultural agreement. Just because he is telling you there is no objective angle to morality doesn't mean he doesn't have a moral code himself. Very ignorant of you to implement a strawman towards his position.

@Michelle-xm6no

5 күн бұрын

@onehitta - when one says murder is subjective right or wrong, they have placed intellect over humanity. Theory over love and compassion.

This kid is headed for congress, he doesn't answer questions, he filibusts.

@cinny.

Ай бұрын

*filibusts

@chefnyc

Ай бұрын

Charlie also avoided a heated debate by replacing Koran with Lord of the Rings while answering 😂

@a.p.2018

Ай бұрын

Right this is some middle of the pack, never technology in any kind of stance.

@ibsnafu1

Ай бұрын

@@cinny. corrected. Thank you

@cinny.

Ай бұрын

@@ibsnafu1 🙏

My own generation terrifies me. Seriously I have no idea where it all went to shit.

@ronniepace8778

27 күн бұрын

I can answer that-but it depends how far we go back-but the short story is that “they” the atheists in power believe their time has arrived-they desire everyone to think the same as them including other atheists-and they have (over the last 20 years) been slowly stealing the minds of an entire generation.

@spandsbab

26 күн бұрын

Don't lose hope, speak up and stand strong with the truth. Evil by nature destroys itself.

@shashwat7089

25 күн бұрын

Power hungry, disconnected, fucked up people at the top who don't give a shit about society and only see people as data/dollars who also want to make people idiots who fight amongst themselves so they can have no challenge and continiue to get more powerful. After a point of time, when a person earns enough money, only thing they crave is power and control.

@TheJohmac

25 күн бұрын

It's not this generation, this cancer has been growing in this country for well over 80 years.

@kathyhansen2820

25 күн бұрын

I think it started with the Boomers and our lives of ease. By the way, I'm a Boomer and I'm sorry.

Poor kid is so confused. Thanks college professors. Another innocent mind DESTROYED!

@personanongrata6249

17 күн бұрын

Just give him time. Critical thinking and then application of that thinking takes time.

@swagmuffin9000

16 күн бұрын

@@personanongrata6249hen he's 50?

@onehitta7892

5 күн бұрын

How is he confused? The kid is right. He is simply explaining that there is no objective measurement of right or wrong; it is what the individual perceives as right or wrong in regard to a collective, cultural agreement. That's true.

@homelander2243

5 күн бұрын

@@onehitta7892 there is. You and the child just don’t like that so you make shit up

@onehitta7892

5 күн бұрын

@@homelander2243 But here is my issue with your position and my overall issue with people like you claiming that there is an objective morality: Two people are having a metaethical dispute and one person claims, "murder is good, and God told me." The other person said, "murder is not good, and God told me." How do you solve this metaethical dispute; who is right and who is wrong? Keep in mind, both believe they are objectively right. If you think this is solved by adhering to the majority's preference, this is branching away from objective morality and adheres more to majoritarianism. This isn't making shit up, this is a metaethical issue and further supports the idea that objective morality is flawed and doesn't even make any sense.

Proverbs 12:15 “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise.”

That kid is gonna be going places. Just not the place that he objectively wants to go lol

@didi012578

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@MarkKrawczyk-sn8xq

Ай бұрын

Excellent!

@jpl6596

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@franklyanogre00000

Ай бұрын

Wants are subjective.

@ianrust3785

Ай бұрын

@@franklyanogre00000 Too often what you think you want turns out to be horrible for you and not enjoyable, just ask any drug addict or music major

The kid is smart, but he has no wisdom. His mind is a mile wide and an inch deep.

@d.nutter4950

29 күн бұрын

But.. he's young.. willing to listen... and has had his head filled with "gobblygook". When his mind starts to open he could be a good leader.

@rommulus

29 күн бұрын

So basically he is like a robot

@Bob_Adkins

29 күн бұрын

@@rommulus Until he gathers the wisdom to think independently, he's a parrot.

@LVL5esper

28 күн бұрын

​@@d.nutter4950if you deem him to have potential to be a good leader, I would be King.

@d.nutter4950

28 күн бұрын

@@LVL5esper all it takes to be a king.. is to be a tyrant who puts himself before others

Isn’t it just easier to just say, “I don’t want to be responsible for anything. Ever.”?

@samuelvanorshaegen

2 күн бұрын

That doesn't even come close to his actual argument. So many people in the comments here completely misinterpreting his point.

The kid was actually very articulated and consise. There's a meaningful conversation to be had there.

@dominicbrant1968

23 күн бұрын

agree. he was exploring ideas and expressed himself really well considering he's in front of alive audience and being recorded. all power to him for at least thinking about these issues.

@keithkristi7938

21 күн бұрын

And many an SS guard and executioner was articulate and concise in what he said and did. The bottom line is that this kid came across as an echo of distorted ideas and values he'd picked up from his lecturers. Without a moral compass (objective and universal that embraces compassion, love and respect for human life), he, along with others of his ilk, is in danger of becoming indifferent to torture, extermination and any other vile act a human commits. Being intellectually bright does not equate to being wise.

@dominicbrant1968

21 күн бұрын

@@keithkristi7938 The SS guards claim to have had no idea what the final solution was about. According to them they just did simple actions. Bring the train into the station. Next Guard. Open the doors. Next Guard, filter into men women and children. Next guard, lead them to the changing room. Next guard ask them to undress. Next guard usher them into the shower. Each step is completely innocent. But taken as a whole they create the extermination of unwanted people. You do the lad a disservice. His question was how do we obtain moral certainty when each of us has a subjective experience. It's a fundamental question that deserves to be wrestled with . I'm a Christian with a Degree in Academic Theology. The lad is correct in every philosophical points he makes. And for the record, listen again and hear him say that bad things are bad things. Even Charlie acknowledges the importance of his question. If Charlie can be so humble, then maybe you should listen to what is being spoken about??? The Election is on its way and many Right Wing though leaders will start to modify their speech so as not to scare off swing voters. Like the SS guards, each step is insignificant on its own but put together they form a narrative.

@keithkristi7938

21 күн бұрын

@@dominicbrant1968 With all due respect you live in cuckoo land if you actually believe that the SS guards, whatever their specific role, did not know what the final outcome would be for every single man, woman and child they shepherded into Auschwitz. The SS were inhuman and selected for their ability to brutalize without compassion or pity. There was not a single innocent SS guard in the evil that was the holocaust. How you can find excuses for some of them is frankly disgusting. Anyhow, regardless of subjective experiences, each of us need only live by the objective moral code of Jesus, whether or not we accept him and who he claimed to be. It really is that simple and the kid appeared not to want to accept this. Charlie Kirk could not be more clear in what direction the kid's moral compass/or lack of, should be pointed. The kid had clear intelligence but lacked wisdom. This only comes with experience and hindsight.

@dominicbrant1968

21 күн бұрын

@@keithkristi7938 with all due respect, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. they may have guessed and some may have known, but only the camp leaders were prosecuted at Nuremberg because there was no evidence trail implicating them in anything other than following their orders. This is why it's really ignorant of you to make such superficial arguments. You believe something so you believe it's true - just like the SS guards you like to quote. they didn't believe it so it wasn't true and no-one had the evidence to prosecute them. Even the modern day Nazi hunters have to rely on testimony of eye witnesses and even this fails. You can believe whatever your want to believe but that doesn't make it true.

The kid really thinks he's smart. 😂

@oreally8605

Ай бұрын

Children usually do think that.

@cohenworrior898

Ай бұрын

You think the orange turd is a conservative crusader. 😂

@anglosaxon5874

Ай бұрын

When 'nobody gets left behind' and 'everyone's view is valid' then you get those that think they are. There are plenty of videos on yt that show American college kids who are asked at the beginning: "How smart are you?" And they reply 7-10/10. Then none of them can answer basic questions. It's the education system's, the parent's and student's [as they should be able to do some research of their own] fault in the west today.

@SteveDrenser

Ай бұрын

HE IS WOKE ITHE WAY OF LIFE HOMIE

@sdprolearning

Ай бұрын

He is smart but not wise

Just a word of advice for this generation. Ban the use of the word "like". Just stop using it.

@shanesplanetshane3795

28 күн бұрын

"literally" and statements of absolute, should also be taught on what they mean. I told my wife to call me out and tell me if I begin to say 'like' all the time. It seems contagious and its wretched.

@Appalachianasshole41

28 күн бұрын

In my 40s. People have been using like the same way as this kid for gd decades. It's nothing new.

@JustChadC

27 күн бұрын

@@shanesplanetshane3795like for real. Haha yeah I get ya.

@bgibson72

27 күн бұрын

Ironically, I think the word "just" should not be used in language unless you're describing someone as being morally right and fair. I use it way too often, but if you remove it from most sentences, your point is still the same without adding fluff.

@gweilospur5877

27 күн бұрын

Too late, this has been a thing with at least the last two generations. Lots of people in their forties and fifties do it, usually women. It started in the US and spread around the English-speaking world like a plague.

The easiest explanation is that ONLY the concept of objective morality can make you go against your own judgement of morality.

@kurtdowney1489

11 күн бұрын

Very well said 😊

That student has never actually found himself in a position in which his very life, existence was suddenly in the hands of a strangers perception of right and wrong making the determination as to should he live or die! These insulated youth viewing the world from behind a microscope have much to learn!

As a 23 year old i’m EMBARRASSED of my generation 🤦🏾‍♂️

@user-dl9jl6ws7y

Ай бұрын

God bless you! 🙏❤️🙏

@JimEdmiston

Ай бұрын

Don't be. Every generation has issues. It's not unique to you or your peers.

@coreym2336

Ай бұрын

24 and same.

@aaronboone2846

Ай бұрын

23 gang!!! And same

@paytonwilliams4352

Ай бұрын

Me too and I’m 23

Truly hope and pray this kid never meets the people that think murder and rape are okay. As a person that worked in a prison for 28 years i can tell you this kid would not last around them.

@rocstargonny

29 күн бұрын

Christians justify rape and murder in the Bible and throughout history as the "work of God" How is this not against "thou shall not kill"?

@lawlietriver8869

29 күн бұрын

He is young and has yet to experience anything real. Give him time. In time he will understand how stupid this was.

@geoganson3871

29 күн бұрын

Yes he would they would love him they would use him till he is in useable

@marilynnhudson2849

28 күн бұрын

@@lawlietriver8869as the saying goes…If you’re young and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you’re old and still a liberal, you have no mind.

@gweilospur5877

27 күн бұрын

That’s why they are in prison.

its hard to argue with someone that can just go back on their religion as an answer to every question.

Rebel kids. ...shocker This is why kids should be sent to different Countries to understand the real world, not just the bubble that they live in.

Being void of a moral compass and not being willing or able to determine right from wrong leads to social chaos.

@roems6396

28 күн бұрын

That wasn’t what he was saying. He was saying that the Bible isn’t a better objective moral system than others.

@NARKISDUDE

28 күн бұрын

@@roems6396 no, that's what he aimed for at the start, but then he clearly said that he doesn't believe in right or wrong. anyway, he's wrong on both accounts, I'm an atheist and I can clearly see that the Jewish bible is morally superior to the Muslim one, can't you? maybe you didn't bother to actually check people like him are very dangerous, and Charlie strongly implied it to him

@roems6396

28 күн бұрын

@@NARKISDUDE That isn’t what he said. He said he doesn’t believe in an objective right and wrong. There is a gigantic difference. He still believes in right and wrong based on his subjective morals, the same as everyone else does. The thing Charlie, and most people commenting on this page don’t understand, is that when we agree on a moral framework, which most people do, THEN we can come to objective conclusions about what is right and wrong within that framework. This is just a college kid who couldn’t properly explain his position…which is what you always see in these “X destroys woke student” videos.

@roems6396

28 күн бұрын

@@NARKISDUDE No, I don’t think the OT is better than it. Have you even read it? It has just as many terrible things in it as the Quran. It’s just that Judaism and Christianity have gone through reforms so that they don’t take the terrible parts literally. The Old Testament, or “Jewish Bible” as you called it, is full of terrible pronouncements and demands for killing.

@NARKISDUDE

27 күн бұрын

@@roems6396 Yeah, obviously young men like him are not very articulate yet. so why did he even bring this up? he's arguing something that is obvious, to what end? it all sounded pointless. & it seemed he doesn't want to come to 'objective conclusions' as you mentioned. he said multiple times horrible things 'just happen in life'.. that's whack! they happen for a reason

It’s AMAZING how confident they are while knowing nothing.

@noahm44

Ай бұрын

How? I fee like he articulated what he believed well.. Charlie simply drew out that his opponent was consistent and then acted like enough has been said... They didn't even debate..

@TarnishedProductions

Ай бұрын

Charlie couldn't come up with anything to dismantle what the guy was saying, so he ended it with "let's agree to disagree." How exactly does that show a lack of understanding on the student's part? Seems like he actually stumped Charlie.

@fenix6297

Ай бұрын

@@TarnishedProductions Because you can't "stump" a worldview with no basis in reality. A viewpoint of 'everything is relative' cannot be "proven wrong". But, what Charlie did was prove how utterly ridiculous his position is. It's pretty basic - _If something like the Holocaust is not _*_objectively_*_ wrong, then morality has no meaning. And if morality has no meaning, then how can he claim an atheist can be moral?_ In short - If you have no standards to be held up to - *you cannot claim a person (like an atheist) meets those standards* This kid screams "I just finished Philosophy 101 but haven't really looked at the theories beyond surface level".

@fenix6297

Ай бұрын

@@noahm44 How can you debate a person who embraces such a ridiculous mindset? His argument of total moral relativism is ridiculous and literally puts something like the HOLOCAUST as a matter of "personal opinion." The fact that he openly embraces that ridiculous argument doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

@TarnishedProductions

Ай бұрын

@@fenix6297 do you deny that people exist who believe the holocaust was not wrong?

OMG! How much did this kid's parents waste on his "education"?

@thereignofthezero225

15 күн бұрын

He's making too much sense, eh? Haha

The kid had you bro...... Give him his flowers 🤝💐

That kid in the 1920s would have ran a Gulag and killed millions of people without a care in the world. It's terrifying.

@AdderTude

Ай бұрын

George Soros helped the Nazis round up his fellow Jews (Soros is now atheist) when he was a teenager. His explicit response on 60 Minutes, as to why he did it, was, "It wasn't happening to me."

@f1b0nacc1sequence7

Ай бұрын

What I find "amusing" (horrifying, actually) about this is that the kid is a fanatic, and he has no real understanding that he is...

@AnimeNinjaz

Ай бұрын

i mean he litterally says he thinks its wrong, but right and wrong is relative. morality is decided by the majority opinion.

@RisingTidesAC

Ай бұрын

Or even taken the place pf Stalin.

@Canushowmeonthedoll

Ай бұрын

Is it

Congratulations kid, you've made a logically consistent argument. Consistently evil and horrendous, that is. Please Lord don't let this kid ever be in charge of anything or anyone.

@cosmiccookie44

Ай бұрын

Bible humpers when you disagree with their holy paper and ink

@AlienInvader

Ай бұрын

we don't learn except through mistakes.

@miracleijeoma9184

Ай бұрын

This video might come back to deal with him in the future

@Nothingman88

Ай бұрын

Evil? Jeez, that is a bit extreme

@Nothingman88

Ай бұрын

The thumbnail is misleading, Charlie. He is against it personally.

As far as these college kids go on this show, this kid is one of the more well spoken ones

Lifelong democrat here. My party no longer represents me. Most of my views are now considered conservative because of how far left things have become. Its time to stop the crazies...

What is wrong with these kids today?

@spaceghost4474

Ай бұрын

Parents.

@drdst27

Ай бұрын

Liberalism.

@SteveDrenser

Ай бұрын

WE GOT GET WOKE ITS WAY OF LIFE BLM HOMIES

@TheWarrior68

Ай бұрын

@@SteveDrenser Nice joke

@Theaddora

Ай бұрын

The parents!

The kid keeps on saying "I think" and "I feel", both of which are not valid arguments.

@projectj3494

Ай бұрын

It’s relevant to everyone living in western society as our society was structured around Christian beliefs. In God We Trust.. Like it our not the Bible has had a massive influence on your life and how you live it..

@projectj3494

Ай бұрын

Morality as we know it derives from scripture..

@loudenlaffnite246

Ай бұрын

@@projectj3494 "In God We Trust" is the ultimate "I feel" -- you're just proving the poster's point.

@-justinhopkins-

Ай бұрын

​@Benzley722muslims would disagree

@TarnishedProductions

Ай бұрын

how exactly do you validly argue about morality without thoughts and feelings about it? morality is BASED on thoughts and feelings. there is no objective evidence to support a moral claim.

Please don't let this kid become president😂😂😂😂

Frightening that anyone, in today's world, could think this way.

@takeshikodama5671

22 күн бұрын

It's an academic freedom. You don't have an actual opinion or an argument and you're dismissing it with incredulity of sorts because it's easy for you.

These Gen Z decide everything based on their “FEELINGS”…. instead of common sense SMH 🤦 😂

@MV-un3jt

Ай бұрын

He's trying to be logical and consistent while denying G-d. His nihilism will not help anyone.

@chunchumaru326

Ай бұрын

Just because there is a need for objective morality doesn't mean the bible is true and christian god exists. That's like saying greek or Egyptian myths are true because people in the past needed them to explain the world or have some kind of moral code.

@jonbarrass9598

Ай бұрын

I agree like the trans shit but also thinking any God exists is delusional! The Quran and Bible are man made bull!!!

@Doctor_Fate5

Ай бұрын

​@@chunchumaru326 stop yapping

@Marcie070

Ай бұрын

Honestly you can't complain about people basing everything on their feelings while charlie and 80% of this comment section base everything on their religious beliefs, which comes down to also 'their feelings'.

I cannot stand when people use the word "like" every other word... drives me crazy.

@BMA8492

Ай бұрын

Agreed, I thought I was the one🤣

@kcartwright6558

Ай бұрын

As soon as someone uses the word "like" to break words in their sentence, I stop listening.

@Tidybitz

Ай бұрын

​@@BMA8492 ... No you're not the only one, there are many, many of us.

@johndo100

Ай бұрын

Yes

@Cmon-Man

Ай бұрын

Starting a sentence with “I mean”, the repetition of “like” in their speech. “Basically” in every sentence and the misuse of “literally” I stop listening and will walk away

Iam from Germany and i enjoy this kind of conversation a lot.. Charlie every time tells his example about the objective good / the nazis and the story.. Why no one confronts him with the war of the christians where they murdered millions of people within their crusades? Today we see the objective wrong easily but at that time?

Should have asked if people should be punished for their opinion that led to their actions like murder, rape, etc.

@Thomas-ps9qk

Ай бұрын

Yup

@phtran3

Ай бұрын

Only dumb people get punished

@bluemeister22

Ай бұрын

Yes those people should het punished, that doesn't change the fact that morality is subjective...

@BenjaJohnsonIII

Ай бұрын

@@bluemeister22 but why would you get punished for something that is right? Dont you only get punished for something that is wrong? Yea obviously certain countries have laws but why should someone get punished for murder if they beleive its good and morality is subjective? without saying laws exist because laws also protected slave owners and people didnt get punished for that until it was deemed bad

@peanutparts

Ай бұрын

@@bluemeister22”my subjective morality trumps your subjective morality” sounds like objective morality lol

Even as an ATHEIST I still think that most of the 10 commandments are still good rules to live by...

@BOOSETO

Ай бұрын

Agreed 👍

@j...bro.

Ай бұрын

Though shalt have no other gods besides me. First commandment.

@ge2719

Ай бұрын

because they were rules made up by humans to try to teach morality to other humans. they're based on the fundamental idea of not harming innocent people, something any human can understand because were capable of knowing what its like to be harmed, and we know its wrong to do that to people. We don't need a specific religion to teach that though, but some of them have developed effective ways of teaching it. The underlying "do it because you'll go to hell if you don't" doesn't help though. That just results in unthinking zealots who only don't do things because theyre told not to do them.

@AlienInvader

Ай бұрын

ultimately, the foundational idea that keeps us living in a civil society is an article of faith. 'human life has inherent value' knock that out... and the edifice rests on nothing.

@loudenlaffnite246

Ай бұрын

@@AlienInvader "the foundational idea that keeps us living in a civil society is an article of faith" -- perhaps so. But that doesn't make it *objectively* true, it just makes it a pragmatic evolutionary decision with some superstition thrown in.

As someone who says "sorry to interrupt" way too much (when I actually am not sorry) I appreciate Charlie Kirk saying "not sorry to interrupt" 1:18

It’s so easy defending murder while living in a country where murder is a crime and punishable sometimes by death. I would not want to live in a world where he is in charge.

@gweilospur5877

27 күн бұрын

He never defended murder. He said that the injunction against murder is a mad- made law and not some absolute morality, which does not exist. He is right about everything that he said, and he showed that he is smarter than Kirk who never even went to college.

@tomsmith8503

26 күн бұрын

@@gweilospur5877 LOL! and thank God for that. These are examples of people being educated into imbecility. I'm um like sorry, but I like think he's like not as like smart as you um think he like is.

@gweilospur5877

26 күн бұрын

@@tomsmith8503 Yes, we can’t all be smart enough to use intelligent comments such as LOL.

@tomsmith8503

25 күн бұрын

@@gweilospur5877 That's all you got? I thought u wuz ejucated

@martinsoukup562

25 күн бұрын

​@@tomsmith8503you simply didn't get his point.

He's going to be a respected philosopher - talking a lot, saying nothing.

@Caleb123456ification

Ай бұрын

i think he stood by his points pretty well. he was arguing fundamentals, not specifics

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

No, that would make him an _unrespected_ philosopher.

@reliantncc1864

Ай бұрын

Ancient Greek philosophers were not so useless.

@roarkbragg2861

29 күн бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894ur a moron, this kid is completely correct, but nooooo, sky daddy is the answer.

@roarkbragg2861

29 күн бұрын

@@Caleb123456ificationhonestly he did, he did an incredible job and I think the older debate man did a much worse job of debating. He just kept acting astonished and bringing up new hypotheticals in order to paint the kid as a hateful person. Honestly losing respect for this man.

Something sounding bad and something being false are two different things. Kirks argument here is basically like trying to prove the afterlife is real because saying it isn’t would mean granny didn’t go to heaven after she died. The kid is not saying he agrees with the nazis or that he doesn’t think genocide isn’t intuitively evil, just that he can’t find a way to prove it mathematically or objectively. The best you can do is to say some subjective moral intuitions like murder being wrong are extremely convincing and useful socially but you can’t prove a moral claim as an objective reality that exists outside of humanity in the same way you can prove an atom exists by using instruments. Objective morality might exist but you have to prove it, you can’t just say it is self evident and that the fact that something is widely accepted morally proves it is objectively true. This discussion seemed to me more of a misunderstanding of what morality being objective means. For example, i believe based on our evolutionary history as social animals, and historical track records of past societies among other factors that being against murder is objectively better for human societies if by better we mean that this promotes peace and collaboration and allows for healthier human flourishing, which would mean a murderous society would objectively be sickly and unstable and might be more prone to collapse on itself. This however is not the same as saying that murder is evil or wrong is objectively true, because the above observation has only to do with the objective effects of a moral stance, and not to do with the objective existance of a material and tangible truth behind the moral statement itself, so murder being wrong would still be subjective even when conceding that it objectively leads to a “better” society. In other words, even after proving that a certain moral stance leads to a healthy and happy society, you would still have to prove objectively that a healthy society which can flourish being good is true.

Bro gonna regret this 20 years later watch lmfao.

@microsoftpain

Ай бұрын

good. if he didn't, i'd be more concerned. if you cringe at your old self, it's probably for the better.

@joaopedrobaggio4475

Ай бұрын

20 years later he will be dead.

@justme240

Ай бұрын

If we are even still here.

@joaopedrobaggio4475

Ай бұрын

One thing that i know is that he has no future.

@pokerneco6527

Ай бұрын

The kid is not wrong. Morality is indeed subjective. Imagine my morality says eating meat is objectively wrong. Would you stop eating meat??

If they read it from their phone, it's probably the 'professor's' question.

@theevermind

27 күн бұрын

That's always struck me as odd. It doesn't bother me that people read questions from notes. It can be flustering being in front of people, so not wanting to forget something is understandable. But I see a lot of the people in these videos (that means it's a biased sample) who don't just have the question and maybe some references written down. They refer to their phones for each response they give, suggesting they have all their talking points rehearsed, which is the opposite of dialog. They never strike me as being smart enough to put together taking points (because if they were, they'd be able to have a dialog without the notes), so maybe they are just a script given to them by a professor. It also explains why so few can honestly answer a question--their script doesn't allow it.

They that accept the principle of DOING murder must also consider the fact that this declaration may create the principle of doing murder upon that creature first declaring THEIR inclination to commit same. Life IS A TWO WAY STREET, SAFE SPACE BOY. PERHAPS IT BEST YOU SIT DOWN AND THINK IT THROUGH. You see it is not only you that gets involved in such evil declarations, once YOU HAVE ISSUED YOURS! Others a lot less sheltered and pampered might hear you. Better you stand down so ALL CAN ALSO STAND DOWN. PEACE, LITTLE FELLA!

@takeshikodama5671

4 күн бұрын

The principle of DOING murder? It's more about psychology and socio-economic status. Real brain damage/defect can make one a murderer too. Talking about metaethical idea is an academic freedom, I suppose.

In all my years working as a NYC subway conductor, and experiencing first hand how people behave, I developed a sense that one should be more afraid of the young than ever. This one takes the cake.

@takeshikodama5671

9 күн бұрын

_"The statement provided does not explicitly contain any logical fallacies. However, it seems to rely solely on personal anecdotal evidence and lacks objective data or reasoning to support the claim. To improve the text, one could consider including specific incidents or statistics that demonstrate why the author believes one should be more afraid of the young. This would help strengthen the argument and provide a more logical and persuasive basis for the statement."_ At least he wasn't cheating with Chat-GPT.

He’s a great Democrat. Well done.

@danduntz2539

Ай бұрын

He’s not even a democrat. He’s closer to the moral relativism of the trump era we have lived in since 2015. Btw I’m not a democrat.

@infblu3808

Ай бұрын

@@danduntz2539 The "Trump Era" is a misnomer. I'd say Clinton would have begun the mold first. I think it just became apparent enough for the majority of people to notice during the Trump Election campaign. Maybe even Lindon B Johnson.

@nathanlunsford7110

Ай бұрын

@@danduntz2539care to provide evidence or you just going to keep spewing nonsense

@ElishaBradley

Ай бұрын

way to make it political buddy

@lxy2169

Ай бұрын

He’s just discussing with a person that’s engaged in politics, it doesn’t give out anything about his political party.

I was reading the books of Judges and it kept saying “everyone did what was right in his own eyes”.

@nellybean69

22 күн бұрын

Sounds like “I was just following orders”. Both are wrong.

I love that there is an exchange of differing views. This is the way it has to be we have to agree to disagree. #respect!

Give the dude credit dor asking questions and having a conversation! We need more people that are willing to have an opwn and honest conversation!

@og824

Ай бұрын

The only problem was, he never shut his mouth and opened his ears long enough for Charlie to respond. He just kept interrupting and making speeches.

@Caleb123456ification

Ай бұрын

@@og824 there was plenty of interrupting on both sides. but if Charlie kept presenting the same argument from different angles while the kid understood charlies argument but kept trying to tell him, that is not what is argument is about.. The fact that Charlie was straw-manning turned me off to his argument.

@earthraindove2870

29 күн бұрын

​@@Caleb123456ificationCharlie is exposing the mind of this indoctrinated youth

@rolandhawken6628

29 күн бұрын

Yes he has made a good point , i n fact a lot of people would agree with him ,but would never say so

@only1life88

29 күн бұрын

​@@rolandhawken6628I agree with his theory.. however I choose to believe in objective morality.

the problem with prosperity is that we get too comfortable living in hypotheticals. Had he experienced any hardship or was even a fly on the wall of nazi death camps, he would not be so cavalier with his claims. We're getting too soft as a society, kind of fascinating to think that this is probably the natural progression of a civilization - create so much wealth that it ends up demoralizing and destroying future generations. Rinse and repeat

@projectj3494

Ай бұрын

Hard times create Strong Men Strong Men create easy times Easy times create weak men Weak men create hard times.. It’s an endless cycle..

@F_a_V1

Ай бұрын

Stop arguing in bad faith. He already said he is against nazis.

@ifensler

Ай бұрын

@@F_a_V1 he said they’re not objectively evil. So they are just as innocent as a puppy or a little baby. There’s no difference at all. We’re all just meat puppets making up our morals as we go along. Unaliving people is not any better or worse than helping an old lady across the street.

@calicuauhtli9841

29 күн бұрын

Agreed. Great statement.

Beautifully done Charlie. I believe you opened a lot of eyes. You exposed the truth.

The kid isn't woke. He is atheist and, more importantly, extremely cold blooded. Woke is DEI and judging people by the color of their skin rather than their character.

@mattl8774

Ай бұрын

He's the type of guy to watch his girlfriend get ended and refuse to describe the attacker to police because he's black.

@aizle101

29 күн бұрын

Respect to him for being consistent with his argument.

@ATB10129

29 күн бұрын

How is he cold blooded?

@itai_arye

28 күн бұрын

I'm probably going to take a lot of fire, but I feel like I need to address the issue. Because the boy in the video made a lot of mess and harm to non-religious people. I am an atheist, and I believe that there is indeed such a thing as objective morality. the way you would like to be treated is the way you should treat others. (And I'm talking here about a case where these are ordinary people and not those who enjoy suffering and pain) In Christianity this is well described *_"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”_* That's how I define "good" (Just to clarify, I don't believe this just because it is written in the Bible, but because I agree with this religious definition of "good")

@ATB10129

28 күн бұрын

@@itai_arye I’m an atheist too but this doesn’t hold up. You can’t objectively define an “ordinary person”. Ordinary now would be different from ordinary in 1800. Ordinary in the US would be different from ordinary in Japan. Even me and you probably define it differently. It’s not objective.

Trying to be so open minded, that he’s lost.

@user-ec3rm9wr1n

Ай бұрын

Why he's expressing himself beautiful child ...speak your mind nothing to fear ...

@TheGeemann666

Ай бұрын

Like he's so like open minded that like his brain like fell out like.😎✌

@wb5408

Ай бұрын

Open-minded truly only means "open to sin." If you really think about the people who push "open-mindedness," they are usually the ones trying to justify sin.

@user-ec3rm9wr1n

Ай бұрын

@@TheGeemann666 like what !? Like what you don't like .....

@BMFstudiosNYC

Ай бұрын

well, that's the typical theist, but yea... oh, you weren't talking about Charlie LOL

The kid makes a theoretical and academic case for murder based on his belief that there is no objective reality. He lives in his own brain with no sense of reality. The average person would take one second to conclude that murder is wrong.

I appreciate him being up front and respectful. He's pretty lost but at least he was willing to be precise and upfront. I enjoyed the discussion.

Problem with this kid is that he has been taught that the highest achievement in life is not to be GOOD, but to be intellectually impenetrable. Fvcking shame.

@kingmasterlord

29 күн бұрын

*which he is not. objectively an organism acts to perpetuate the species as a whole, and thrive either individually or in peer groups, and an effective system of morality can arise from simply that. compassionate cooperation is a survival trait. logical objective morality.

@xenomorph6961

29 күн бұрын

@@kingmasterlord Yes, which we see in other animal species, particularly the great apes.

@andrewjung6987

29 күн бұрын

@@kingmasterlord what you just said has no standing. You essentially just equated survival to moral truth. Scientifically, you’re wrong. Point to a single species outside of humans that have ever demonstrated a codified moral ethic as a result of the SAME innate drive for survival as humans. Such a ridiculous statement. Pseudo-intellectuals are truly some of the biggest morons on the internet.

@fedea82

29 күн бұрын

​​​​​​​​​​​@@kingmasterlordwell guess what: he is an organism, and according to his philosophy, he objectively doesn't operate in accordance with the perpetuation of the species. He doesnt think doing the opposite is wrong. Nor right. The same way as many others (organisms too, don't forget!) think and act. There is no objective morality, just preferences. And the student indeed was intellectually impenetrable. Aka correct 😊

@t33cael

29 күн бұрын

That was my problem, too. So glad I found the Lord in my early twenties after being a very convinced and opinionated atheist

Whats scary is how intelligent he sounds and how well he can debate his point. Hes one missed hug away from becoming a monster

@dominicbrant1968

23 күн бұрын

In that case, why doesn't Charlie agree with everything he says, apart from the bit about faith being a necessary prerequisite of a moral code?

Charlie Kirk is so brilliant and I don't believe that he can argue this convincingly without complete faith in God and the power of inspiration that comes from that faith.

This is what happens when you think too much !!!

Respect to that young man for being respectful and having a civil conversation

@emmanuelginikanwa283

Ай бұрын

Respectfully, This comment has holes all over it... heard of a respectful psychopath?

@zayzay4405

Ай бұрын

@@emmanuelginikanwa283it’s just a stupid copy past rage bait. If you see most videos, “At least they were respectful” Lol. Some lady got murdered in my neighborhood and when the guy stood in front of the judge, he was respectful at least.

@georgem5589

Ай бұрын

Nah, this is result of giving participation trophies.

@nutandboltguy3720

Ай бұрын

He’s really on a higher level than most college students. I don’t agree with his points but he’s impressive.

@georgem5589

Ай бұрын

@@nutandboltguy3720 Why, because he's respectful? He has good parents, that's all, his opinions, however, are the same as a kids with way lower IQ. This makes him not as smart as he tries to seem.

poor kid. bless his heart.

@oreally8605

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@phosphate66

Ай бұрын

was going to say these exact words

@7777shayna

Ай бұрын

Love it !

@lordmeandor2328

Ай бұрын

I am sure he'll do just fine without your sarcastic blessings.

@SeanChYT

Ай бұрын

Charlie Kirk you mean?

Kid's right, there isn't "objective" morality - theres morality everyone broadly agrees upon.. subjectively.

The issue with his mindset is if everyone in our country adopted that same mindset then another Holocaust could occur since we have no foundation for our reasonings, rights and wrongs. We will try and justify to others that what we’re doing is right when it is not.

@bluemeister22

Ай бұрын

And religion and religious people haven't caused any wars or holocaust like events?

@simonsmith1974

Ай бұрын

​@@bluemeister22far more wars have been caused by greed, vanity and lust for power than religion. There's an entire encyclopedia of wars (the sheer fact that we have one of those is insane) which has categorised that only 7% percent of ALL wars have been caused by religiom or religious people. More have died under so called atheist regimes. Castro, Mao Zedong and Stalin killed more people than those claiming a religion. Mao killed 16 million, Stalin killed several million too, Communism which has atheism at it's heart has killed far more than those of a religion. I understand where you're coming from but you need to consider it from every angle. War is not usually begun from just one reason but multiple.

@koutetsusama2498

Ай бұрын

@@bluemeister22 The people and cities in the Iberian peninsula, know all too well, of what you speak.

@cookiecracker2

Ай бұрын

Socialism is better than what that would create, his mindset leads to total anarchy. Imagine medieval ages, but with no kings or law enforcers

@theyellowmeaning7507

Ай бұрын

​@@bluemeister22 you're right, the abbassid empire killed a lot of people, and gr@ped a lot of women and castrated millions of africans and various non-muslims because islam views non-muslims as subhuman, not fit to be converted. why, according to islamic countries, on the basis of religion, it was justified to hold humans as slaves all the way up to the 1960s of particular note is the religion of communism/socialism, which professes no greater deity beyond the state, that has killed hundreds of millions in china, the states of the USSR, and various other countries and conflicts across the globe. the point you're obfuscating is that objective morality is still the only basis for an orderly, or even rational, society, and indeed is the basis for any human action. an argument i particularly like is one that i found by a fella called clive, where the basis of human comparison comes down to fairness. people may disagree on what metric is more fair, but everyone agrees that there is a value of fairness by which we judge the state of things and upon which we argue with others to agree, otherwise no desire can be upheld in the face of others.

Every time these kids step up to the mic they have their phones at the ready. Are these new generations even capable of using their own brains or do they just rely on what's written on the screen?

@teamtx1578

Ай бұрын

Their brains are pretty much on autopilot 24/7. They have to be constantly TOLD what to think.

@brittanyclairemay9803

Ай бұрын

​@@daviddegreve6736 I literally came here to say this. There's really something wrong with them, mentally.... 😮

@koutetsusama2498

Ай бұрын

The phone and internet are the replacements, for their literal brain use. Lazy people.

@RyanPatrick-yy7zi

Ай бұрын

Says the person on yt

@TheVvolfgang

Ай бұрын

I don't understand how so many ppl seem to miss that he's actually correct under the hypothetical situation he *believes* to be REAL... he has a fundamentally sound position. Without FULLY knowing what is true, there is a possibility he is correct and he argued it as well as damn near anyone I've ever heard cuz he had the balls to walk it all the way to the end. I disagree with him, but the only thing that determines which position is Real is Reality. Without God granting one or more of us the undeniable (keep in mind, "cogito ergo sum," and the line of reasoning to get there) knowledge in advance, none of us will know until it becomes undeniable. Which in-and-of-itself defeats that situation. Reality is Real, period, no matter what that is.

Now imagine if this kids parents watched this video. I want to watch a video of their reaction to this.

Hi Charlie I love your videos, please keep making them… greetings from Dublin, Ireland 🇮🇪

At least I applaud him for his intellectual honesty. Normally people don't want or even are willing to admit these things.

@CelticSpiritsCoven

Ай бұрын

Now if he had the intellectual honesty to look at his world view and be embarrassed.

@Wolfways

Ай бұрын

@@CelticSpiritsCoven Why? He's right.

@bellcoolmountain6650

Ай бұрын

​​@@Wolfwayshe's right that it's ok to kill millions of people? You obviously didn't learn anything from this discussion.

@cudackedees3327

Ай бұрын

No he is just too afraid to admit that his “view” of there is no “objective morality” is nonsense. He is basically saying there is no objectivity in the world. 😂

@CelticSpiritsCoven

Ай бұрын

@@Wolfways So he is objectively right? If so, you've just disagreed with his argument.

Poor kid walked away thinking himself a hero.

@kevlark3184

Ай бұрын

Dude was trying to hide

@mmafreaks4871

Ай бұрын

nope you all just do not understand what he was saying. he was talking over your head is the problem. He was taking a philosophical approach and most of you obviously don't know philosophy. even Charlie understood this. The problem charlie has is he must ask himself if god commanded hilter to be hitler... If so, hilter would be 100% moral under Charlie's world view. As anything god commands is moral by default. try to understand someone before mocking. You might learn some things.

@KeannuReevezzz03

Ай бұрын

​@@mmafreaks4871correct, give the kid some time and he will understand, I do respect him being respectul and willing to talk about stuff instead of just yelling at somebody

@mmafreaks4871

Ай бұрын

@@KeannuReevezzz03 I dont think he is the one that needs time to understand... he was pretty clear and factual. You're just applying feelings to what he said and it makes you feel icky. when in reality he is not wrong. the real monster view is Charlies moral dictator hypothesis. basically whatever this dictator says is moral. however the dictator could be corrupted and not know it himself. (not to mention Charlie just determine all of this in his head, its not like you all have a mechanism to access god and determine what is and is not moral) thats far worse than this kids world view. At least the kid has the ability to say, I think X is wrong. lets also skip over the fact this all good god creates people for destruction... he looks like a schmuck.

@johnsegal445

29 күн бұрын

as do all fascists

Full stop ..... all his "feelings" have 0 to do with morality!

That was truly an amazing conversation ❤ by both parties

This is why I’m a proponent of setting the voting age to 21 or 22. In my own opinion we need adults that have gone to trade school or college or have general life experience and are a few years past their college year age to be allowed to vote in this country. Our young adults need time still to mature like this young man he’ll need plenty more time to mature and think about what he is saying.

@Tank50us

Ай бұрын

I agree. Especially since many of these people are typically living with their folks and haven't really had to live in the real world (IE, buy their own groceries)

@bigshady7875

Ай бұрын

25 years old

@lukesmith3283

Ай бұрын

@@bigshady7875 I agree with that age, progressives would never allow it.

@AshikSorel1

Ай бұрын

You'd think that but there are plenty of 21+ year olds that still have this mentality. I know some and its sickening.

@Caleb123456ification

Ай бұрын

its pretty obvious that college is doing nothing for our kids...

If I was him I would ask for a refund from whatever college this kid is getting an "education" from.

@gweilospur5877

27 күн бұрын

This kid is smarter than you and smarter than Kirk.

@AFmedic

26 күн бұрын

@@gweilospur5877 I guess YOU need to stand right behind this kid to ask for YOUR refund. Thinking this kid is "smart" proves just how ignorant YOU are.

@martinsoukup562

25 күн бұрын

Why would he ask for refund because you didn't understand his simple point?

@keepitsecret-dl1pr

24 күн бұрын

@@gweilospur5877 lmao, this kid's idle mind is ripe for social conditioning and malevolence to fester within it, his coldness is truly disturbing, and the fact that you think he's "smart" is hilarious

@dominicbrant1968

23 күн бұрын

rubbish, the kid is nervous but makes extremely valid points. Even Charlie Kirk respected his honesty.

I love how almost every time, these students have to hold and refer to their phone while Charlie dissects their arguments with his knowledge and wit. No notes!

I knew this kid was out of his league after his first sentence. These kinds of people respond to leading questions like a guilty man being interrogated. It's just too easy.

It takes no effort to position yourself to never be wrong. It takes a lot more work to explain why your right.

I felt the pain you had Charlie! Such a deranged intellectual mind.

@lordmeandor2328

Ай бұрын

Nothing deranged about what he said at all.

@denroy3

Ай бұрын

Intellectual? He lacked any semblance of an intellectual mind...his whole argument came down to "Whatever".

@denroy3

Ай бұрын

​@@lordmeandor2328 yes, he absolutely deranged, hopefully not dangerously so...if you can't objectively say the holocaust was morally wrong, then you are deranged

@charlesg7926

Ай бұрын

He’s wrong obviously, Charlie is right, but don’t be so rude to the kid. I respect him being honest. Most on his side of the aisle do nothing but lie

@pokerneco6527

Ай бұрын

The kid is not wrong. Morality is indeed subjective. Imagine my morality says eating meat is objectively wrong. Would you stop eating meat??

He’s absolutely right. You cannot objectively derive moral values. But there is such a thing as ethics. An universal law, which helps us define o what is right or wrong (but never good or bad).

@spoodermanthealtreichslaye5798

23 күн бұрын

"An universal law" You are contradicting your position, Mr Atheist

To this kid a tomato can also be an orange and the word evil can mean good. He is lost and most likely will remain this way. I hope he never gets into government or education sytem.

He is smart but needs a few more years on this planet to get what i have as a 76 year old WISDOM and COMMON SENSE.

Can the police do a home check on that kid?

@KingOfGamesss

Ай бұрын

He's just another 'Nihilist'....believes it's ok to do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING in Life as long as you think you can "Get away" with it to avoid Prison because he's afraid of the thought of "Hell" so he wants to believe Death is the final end and there's nothing after Death (They labeled their wanton desire "Non-Existence")

@georgewagner7787

Ай бұрын

His parents failed

@sdprolearning

Ай бұрын

Can the fbi check your comments?

@Mabbdaa

Ай бұрын

Why? You seem to be missing the point of the argument in that morals are subjective or not subjective. Both have similar beliefs, in that killing is wrong, etc but what they disagree upon is whether these morals are transcendent of opinion or not.

@KingOfGamesss

Ай бұрын

Oh look...they deleted my comment again...somebody must like Evil Nihilists it seems

Truly one of the most clear cut conversations where each saw eachothers points and were happy with the results even though they didn't agree

8:36 "We have clarity, but not agreement. Thank you, my friend." This is a wonderful statement

Great conversation in my opinion. This student is a realist and comes of the cloth of “if it doesn’t affect you, then mind your own business.” Keep in mind, a lot of Nazi’s were not punished because they were brainwashed into thinking what they were doing was right. I appreciate this kid’s clarity and consistency. Something a lot of people do not have these days.

@takeshikodama5671

18 күн бұрын

They were agreeing on the correspondence theory of truth in this conversation, so both are realist in some sense. “if it doesn’t affect you, then mind your own business.”, it almost sounds like a philosophical objectivism stereotypes. The Na'vi (English: The People) are a species of sapient humanoids who inhabit the lush moon of Pandora. They are monogamous. --"Keep in mind, a lot of Navi’s were not punished because they were brainwashed into thinking what they were doing was right." Punished in what sense? Do you think every single one of them working for Nazi should've been punished by us? Or is that up to God? He failed consistency with his first line of question.

Thats actually insane. I am not all that shocked by him admiting that murder is not objectively wrong but rather that he was on the verge of saying that the Bible is a guide to a moral way of life. Why does everyone accept the fact that things like "love" exists, but God doesnt? Both are hidden for people that choose to not open their heart and mind to see it and recieve it. Imagine a world run by the 10 commandments .... oh my God, what a sight that would be....

@spoodermanthealtreichslaye5798

23 күн бұрын

Its good that you used love as an example, because as has been revealed to us via the Word of God, God is love. 1 John 4:8

@Purplelemon5033

21 күн бұрын

The first commandment thou shalt not have any other gods before me, how is that morally superior? It led to the extermination of the pagans , many wars and is obviously the main contention between all of the major religions. Thou shall not steal? Does a person who’s starving to death and steals to feed their family wrong. Honour father and mother? What even if they’re abusive. In the bible God drowns thousands of people,god gets the Israelites to destroy Jericho killing innocent people,god demands we kill disobedient children,god supports slavery,god forces a raped girl to marry her rapist and many other morally wrong and contradictory messages in the bible.I would say the seven tenants of the satanic temple are morally superior to the 10 commandments. But then all of these books were written by men not gods 🤷‍♀️

The root problem is intersectionality. It replaces moral decision-making with the oppression matrix. And these kids are CERTAIN that the reductive system they learned in school is 100% CORRECT: That if you identify who has the least power in any scenario, then you know who is "good" and who is "bad." No other work is needed.

@teamtx1578

Ай бұрын

And yet, these poor fools fail to realize that, according to their logic that those with power are inherently evil, their desire to gain power over their "oppressors" can only end with them becoming the very thing they swore to destroy.

@mattlol163

Ай бұрын

*SMFH..... Please stop calling ADULTS "kids". My god..... stop giving them excuses to be ignorant n immature* Please n thank u

@sgame79

Ай бұрын

Which leads to the obvious question: Why is your way of determining right and wrong the correct one? How can somebody answer that question if they don't believe in objective morality?

@drcrocodile1

Ай бұрын

@@sgame79 Even this question reveals a lack of understanding of basic epistemology. You don't need to believe in anything other than logic to use moral reasoning to work your way through a problem, and, importantly, to debate your conclusion with others. Authoritarianism allows of no debate. You either subscribe to the orthodoxy, or you're othered.

This kid is sad and lost, which is extremely unfortunate. However, it is clear he is rather intelligent. He understands the implications of his worldview, and he is intellectually honest enough to go all the way. It would be like a Christian speaking with a far leftist and being asked directly if they thought being gay was wrong, and confidently answering yes. You don't really see that any more, especially from the right.

He is actually very articulate and smart.

@Abulls33

8 күн бұрын

I hope you’re referring to Charlie

Kudos to the young man! He stated his opinion clearly and civilly. And kudos to Charlie for trying to help him see the error in his thinking.

@somerandom3247

Ай бұрын

Kudos to the kid. Its a shame that charlie is so stuck in his ways that he couldn't see the error in his thinking.

@NFwarriorS

Ай бұрын

@@somerandom3247how is what Charlie said wrong?

@Tharvey83

Ай бұрын

@@somerandom3247? Both were clear and consistent in their arguments. The kid is smart and I get what he’s saying, however his way of thinking leads to chaos and death.

@Caleb123456ification

Ай бұрын

the fact that you think there was an error means you did not understand his argument... even Charlie agreed with his argument, and tried to spur other topics he thought he could win on the kid. but the kid stuck to his guns and didn't take the bait.

@Caleb123456ification

Ай бұрын

@@Tharvey83 he was not describing a particular belief structure... he was simply describing the process in which one derives morality.

He's being intellectually consistent.. it's a shame but I gotta respect him. But within moral relativism, you have NO BASIS for telling any person that they are WRONG! OBJECTIVELY

@kyledrake9750

18 күн бұрын

No, you can. Which is the best number, 1 or 6? Well, in some games you might be objectively better rolling a 1. In another, a 6. You can always throw in an "In order to..." to create the context. "In order to not destroy society and horrify almost everyone, don't eat baby humans." Eventually, when demonstrating that your god / objective moral creator exists, you need to show that his rules give better life outcomes. So, just say that "In order to get better life outcomes (however you are defining them), you/we should..."

@xehanortasemka5539

18 күн бұрын

@@kyledrake9750 you've literally done nothing to refute the claim that moral relativism has no basis for right vs wrong. In fact your point that you need an "in order to" I.E. AN OUTSIDE OBJECTIVE to make a moral claim. Other wise that's just your opinion. And how dare you try and force your opinion on me.

@karmic-lt3mi

18 күн бұрын

Thanks for saying this. I believe he's got something solid there.

@skystreem4860

18 күн бұрын

The basis is being damaging to humanities, long-term survival and existence

@xehanortasemka5539

18 күн бұрын

@@skystreem4860 If morality is relative then that's still just your opinion. It doesn't make you correct.

Our education system in action. It’s not about morality but “YOUR FEELINGS”?😮

@dominicbrant1968

23 күн бұрын

I feel is just a turn of phrase to express the fact that he's discussing his opinion, not making general statements. If Charlie is allowed to say he knows Christianity is right because of his experiences - how he feels about Christianity - the kid is allowed to explore how he feels about the philosophical argument. He's a very bright kid.

That boy is a complete muppet ! talks in riddles without getting to the truth !

@takeshikodama5671

15 күн бұрын

*The is-ought problem* and the naturalistic fallacy: According to David Hume, it is hard to see how moral propositions featuring the relation _ought_ could ever be deduced from ordinary is propositions, such as "the being of a God." Divine command theory is thus guilty of deducing moral _oughts_ from ordinary _ises_ about God's commands. This is the truth he sees.

If the future employer sees this video, he will never be hired anywhere, except the US Congress

@F_a_V1

Ай бұрын

The same could be said for any controversial opinion. He'd probably be fine anyway. Even so, it doesn't make him wrong.

@n721sw

Ай бұрын

@@F_a_V1 “it doesn’t make him wrong.”, wow, the fact that you are ok with his in deference to killing 6 million innocent humans says volumes about you. Scary times we live in.

@DraganMilosevic-xn5zh

Ай бұрын

I think oposite evil corporations will love him!

@F_a_V1

Ай бұрын

@@n721sw He doesn't have "indifference" to genocide. In the full vid he denounced genocide. Me and him both subjectively believe genocide is evil.

@ash__117

Ай бұрын

@@n721sw You got to be a dumbass employer if that's what you got from him.

Kid really didnt fold and was open to discussion. Kudos to him

I have no religion, I'm left leaning, I see issues with unchecked, uncapped capitalism but don't think it's the root of evil. I think it's wrong to kill people as a human being. I see what this young guy is saying and don't think it's that bad. He's saying there is no objective morality there are just things that happen and don't happen. From our human perspective, awash with human emotions, we don't value the horrific things. Primarily because it doesn't serve us to create a world where rules aren't in place, and anything goes. As the kid says, it's not that he thinks these things aren't wrong but from an objective perspective, detached from god, they are neither wrong nor right, they simply are. He was super respectful, reasonable, and decent. He was only arguing his perspective. For you or your team to be disingenuous and ascribe this guy's views to wokeism is outrageous. I expected to see a blatant psychopath talking after reading that title, not a reasonable young person just trying to understand the universe he's a part of.

What are they teaching in US that end up having youngster who think like this? Crazy!!

Arguing that morality is subjective because two different doctrines on morality disagree is stupid. If I read two treatments of mathematics, one of which is true and one of them is wrong, that doesn't mathematics is subjective. It means someone is right and someone is wrong.

@spyk_316

27 күн бұрын

Because Maths itself is objective. Books on morality are not.

@reliantncc1864

27 күн бұрын

@@spyk_316 Books on morality can be subjective. Morality itself is objective, and has to be or it is not morality.

@amandareanne

26 күн бұрын

Gosh all you people are fucking annoying

@Ribol88

25 күн бұрын

@@reliantncc1864 Morality itself is objective because it has to be. And everybody acts the same, there is no crime, everyone is happy.

@martinsoukup562

25 күн бұрын

​@@reliantncc1864prove your claim then.