I mean either Superman fundamentally changes the world and we all walk on the sun or the world changes Superman and we get Homelander.

omg the unbelievably unnoticeable gradual zoom on biden I only realized when I was seeing the video previews while I seeked around

Pretty please can you upload the watchmen 2019 episodes? I've been wanting to listen to those for years

All film and television adaptations of Alan Moore's work are haram. Virgin Snyder and Virgin Lindelhoff vs Chad Terry Gilliam (asked Alan Moore for permission to adapt Watchmen, Alan Moore explained to him why the graphic novel was not suited for film adaptation, respected the wishes of the original artist)

This is an old episode of course but Alan Moore didn't/doesn't hate superheroes. He grew up reading superhero comics and read them as a professional too and liking them too. He wrote before and after Watchmen comics such as Supreme and America's Best Comics, which showed genuine love for the concept. He was able to not be a fanboy and see the goofiness when he wrote Watchmen. And for those who are interested there have been good "real life superhero" stories such as Rick Veitch's Maximortal, The One and Bratpack and Dan Clowes's The Death-Ray.

@aurizzistic

Жыл бұрын

When did they say that? Lol I mgihtve missed it but I'm pretty sure Alan Moore likes superheroes, but hates the function they fufill. Superheroes are selling you the ability to feel like there is justice in the world for a moment. A healthy society doesn't dream up superheroes. Superman was made by jewish brothers as a "golem" of sorts. Captain America was made to punch hitler in the face the same year there was a Nazi rally in America so large it filled up Madison Square Garden. because they felt incredibly helpess during the rise of the Nazi party. Alan Moore, who understands this, goes "I won't let you get the false satisfaction. There is no justice." That is what he meant. "you shouldn't believe in a superhero" You shouldn't want someone with no oversight and a huge power imbalance be the only thing between you and crime(cops lol.) You can like superhero comics, but hate superheroes. The best superhero comics aren't the ones where the superhero is just a paragon of morality and everyone jerks him off for it. it's when they use whatever unique circrumstance writing the story of a superhuman brings to beg some greater question. Like how much of a difference is there witht he police being paid off by a crime family, or turning a blind eye to batman? I personally like batman comics. But if you examine batman, he is actively making the crime in Gotham worse by enacting justice as he, one man sees fit. Instead of providing after school activties, mental health care, or building affordable housing. But nah, Batmobile, lol.

@DoctorExplosion

7 ай бұрын

You're dead-on about Supreme. I read it recently and I never realized how much All Star Superman owed to it, in terms of being a love letter to golden-age Superman comics.

Justice League episode 'The Man who has everything ' is only adaptation Alan Moore likes of his work. It shows Clarke/ Superman sacrificing his personal happiness living in a dream world because of his responsibilities and has strong moral compass. Alan likes superheroes when they aren't written like fascists

Get all of Watchmen in that one volume book. Read it. Then read things like Dr. Manhattan's story or the Black Freighter individually. It's a good ride.

I still believe the greatest superhero origin story to be produced on film is Dr. Manhattan's.

@idicula1979

Жыл бұрын

He is the greatest study as real as a real person superhero not good, but eventually tiring of the Sisyphus role he plays.

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To the point about whether Rorschach is a parody of Frank Miller, Alan Moore wrote a parody of Frank Miller's Daredevil in 1983, three years before Watchmen, and it has a lot of similarities to the opening of Watchmen.

26:23 Seamless ADR there

Awesome to see they were completely wrong about the HBO Watchman show

I don’t think the movie would be that heralded now because DC is still no matter what they say still chasing the Snyder style

People like Rorschach because he has a sad backstory and an actual moral view of the world (even if it's incredibly flawed) unlike the total moral vacuums that make up the rest of the cast. He's the closest to a normal superhero that you can find so a lot of people who don't want to deal with the comic's deeper aspects latch on to him. Also the fact he's the closest to a normal superhero just demonstrates how incredibly abnormal the idea of a superhero is and how awful they'd be in real life.

@Retrostar619

Жыл бұрын

He has a tragic backstory, but his morality is of the hard right absolutist kind. He's given a lot of good dialogue and he partially fulfills the protagonist role through his investigation, so there's a natural degree of audience enpathy being generated. But he's a warped fucker.

@curiouskarl5485

Жыл бұрын

nailed it

@utkarsh2746

Жыл бұрын

How is a smelly, anti-social conspiracy theorist who lost his voice (and his sanity) by not talking to anyone for years "the closest to a normal superhero"? Moore described him as "a nutcase" even within the context of Watchmen. Moore has specified that Rorshach was an analogue for the Question or Batman and he represents the contradiction of Batman perfectly, he deals with his own mental issues beating low level thugs almost to death but making no fundamental change to the conditions causing these crimes that he claims to be against. Rorshach is that contradiction dialed up to an absurd level.

@christophergreen6595

Жыл бұрын

​@@utkarsh2746 I get the author's intent but always thought it was a bad analogy, given Rorschach's extreme poverty and abusive childhood. Although of course, those are the conditions fostered by the great wealth of people like the Waynes.

@richardlegrand4697

3 ай бұрын

Hmmm.... I don't know exactly what u mean him being the closest to normal superhero. If anything, rorschach seems very off putting socially and emotionally flattened and unstable. Night owl, silk spectre are by far more like normal people in this odd world.

these guys should watch the boys

@pietzsche

10 ай бұрын

You should read Marshall Law: Fear and Loathing by Pat Mills, The Boys is a poor knock off.

Lol actually Superman was created by two Jewish brothers n the image of the myth of a Golem as a reaction to the rising anti-semitism. In the 40's Jewish people were not white. The same year Captain America came out punching Hitler in the face was the year we had a Nazi gathering so large it filled up Madison Square Garden. A lot of the original comics were for made by Jewish people, and in the case of Superman, for other Jewish people to have a protector like in the Golem myth. I

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was so bad it caused Sean Connery to quit acting

Leslie is a good radio personality but my god he has the absolute worst contrarian opinions. The Snyder Watchman movie might be entertaining but it ruins core themes of the novel.

@weejockpoopongmcplop

Жыл бұрын

That's only a problem if you've read the novel.

@KoolAidManOG

11 ай бұрын

Worst account on Twitter, deeply unlikeable on top of being contrarian for the sake of it

@brucesnow7125

5 ай бұрын

So does the show

The 2019 show is excellent completely in line with Moore's themes, the movie is vacuous nonsense. I hate cynical contrarianism pushed as useful critique.

@rileyrobertson7067

Жыл бұрын

I agree with the point on cynicism, though I'll admit that contextually I can't say I can fault anyone in 2018/2019 who was not all too enthused at the "whoring" of the Watchman ip and particularly at the prospect of a Watchmen follow up from the guy behind Prometheus & LOST's ending (Also "The Leftovers", but that show was sadly under watched & appreciated in its time) The reception to the show has actually gone a ways towards flipping Lindloffs public perception, to the point of shining some new light on The L/O's, but certainly it was not a given that it would be good at the time

@Retrostar619

Жыл бұрын

I'll agree with you that the film misses the point, but there are certain sequences (opening credit, the Dr Manhatten origin montage) that stand alone as impressive cinematic sequences.

@BigHomieGayAss1917

Жыл бұрын

The show and movie were both vacuous nonsense, the difference being that the show was Liberals missing the point while the film was Conservatives missing the point. The show and movie were at least entertaining to varying degrees, which is all one can really ask for from entertainment

@utkarsh2746

Жыл бұрын

@@BigHomieGayAss1917 Everyone missed the point, I'm the only adult in the room. Centrists rejoice.

@christophergreen6595

Жыл бұрын

I finally watched it. Loved the way they retconned the movie in as 'real' fiction/PR.

UH UH

Folks, if you haven't seen the watchmen HBO show, at least give it a shot. It's antifa as fuck and weirdly REALLY successfully emo. Good show, even stand alone, even if you didn't know the comics. It's fun hearing these guys expecting a bad show, knowing they probably ended up liking it.

@trentwolfgram9571

Жыл бұрын

It's literally copaganda and crackpot realism. The end of the show is an arrest of the bad guy and handing ultimate power down unilaterally and arbitrarily to a cop because I guess the only problem with unaccountable, ultimate authority is that a black lady isn't wielding it. Hot flaming trash of a show, to be frank. Only serves to push the line that nothing can truly change, the only problem with our institutions is that there isn't enough representation of marginalized people. Very contrary to Alan Moore's message, but hey, so is the movie, as these people described. Can't expect liberals to be able to properly understand a systematic failure in need of overhaul.

@BigHomieGayAss1917

Жыл бұрын

I virtually guarantee they did not end up liking the show

@BigHomieGayAss1917

Жыл бұрын

@@trentwolfgram9571 I hate to say it, but it basically turns out you have to have Socialist/Anarchist/Communist politics to have a real understanding of what Alan Moore is really getting to, Libs and Conservatives just end up reading their own politics into it in a way that fundamentally doesn’t get the core message and viewpoint of the comic

@fartdarthdarthfarter6129

Жыл бұрын

If they ended up liking it then I have been severely misled re: their tastes

@trentwolfgram9571

Жыл бұрын

@@BigHomieGayAss1917 yeah that's what I was getting at. Genuinely very confused how this person thought it was "antifa as fuck" or whatever. The first 5 minutes of the show was a cop getting merced by some kkk analog guy with a submachine gun because he couldn't get to his gun because of that damned red tape and bureaucracy. Literal copaganda in the most painfully obvious way. Oh you want to defund and disarm cops? So you want black officers to get murdered by racists, then. Incredible.