The problem is, you can’t casually keep up. Being competitive takes a lot of attention, for anything. New cards keep coming out, the game keeps changing. You can’t settle in, unless you’re 100% invested. Imagine tryna play a simple game of pick up basketball but you have to be NBA level. Also, I love yugioh but I don’t have days to go to the comic shop & play test. I used to physically play more back when I tag force to learn my deck, on the fly, with the real rules, built in. I’d much rather play online as well. Less arguments & cheating. But that play-testing made it easier to go play physically.

@Cyber_Jar23

3 жыл бұрын

So true. I get power creep and why it happens, but it happens so fast now I'm priced out of a lot of strategies I'd like to try out

@latroyw4650

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cyber_Jar23 worst part is where the interesting strategies are the worst days to play

@Cyber_Jar23

3 жыл бұрын

@@latroyw4650 totally agree, cards like cubics are a good example, totally unique effects and playstyle, really fun, but can't compete

@bluelocimon

3 жыл бұрын

I stoped playing when the synchro cards were still the newest thing because i didn't have the time to keep playing. And by the time i wanted to get in the game again, now there were xyz's and pendulum cards, so now i didn't have the money to get the new type of cards nor the time to learn the new status of the game

@purplekermit2162

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, keeping up with any card game can’t be casual unfortunately, wish there was a way

Speed Duel: Battle City Box is a sealed format that seems like a lot of fun, I hope they continue releasing products like those

@chetotcg

3 жыл бұрын

That product is great and helped me learn how to play yugioh. I really hope they release more speed duel products!

@DylanHlava

3 жыл бұрын

I used to think speed duels were pretty dumb, but I ended up finding the battle city box at my local target and gave it a shot. Ended up being very fun and cool, I could easily see this working well at parties and for teaching people the game. It’s simple, all of the decks are pretty well rounded.

@BoDoesStuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@DylanHlava same! Bought it because it looked neat and wound up using it at a game night to teach a group of friends how to play.

@airportsecurityaustria182

3 жыл бұрын

and the best thing abt the box imo is that their are a lot of effect monsters unlike the first speed duel sets in which most of the monsters were vannilla (except gravekeeper) so there's more interesting stuff for new players to play with and learn some basic combos and stuff

@AKASAIBA

3 жыл бұрын

pretty sure konami is axing speed duels for rush duels.

Definitely! I'd like summoning method formats where you can only use one extra deck mechanic. Also old school format tournaments should exist.

@RG_LoneWolfe

3 жыл бұрын

I would 100% play a lot of xyz only format tourneys and some goat format tourneys.

@elijahbarfoth1832

3 жыл бұрын

If Ycs events had goat format side events I would go to ycs events again.

@randomprofile5853

3 жыл бұрын

They did support these formats enititialy people were hyped but it had low attendance.

@Habeev07

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, limit the number if summons in a format.

I have been playing with 40 card Speed Duel card decks. Feels like Old School Yugioh from my Childhood. Also with 3x Structure deck "format" is also nice.

What yugioh really needs is an official online simulator with a built-in tutorial for new players, maybe in the form of a campaign or something.

@dansen2292

3 жыл бұрын

So a new GX Tag Force game?

@clearmind89

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and have it up-to-date with new ban lists

@randomprofile5853

3 жыл бұрын

I mean there is a Master Rule game in development by Konami so it might be a simulator or something like Duel Links.

@clearmind89

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomprofile5853 they’ve had similar games like Legacy of the Duelist but they never updated them after release

@wesleytoulouse7186

3 жыл бұрын

@@clearmind89 that stays up to date with each new update and set

You know what they should’ve called Speed Duels to better ease people into it...Duel Links.

Honestly coming from someone who played Yugioh as a kid, but stopped after around the 5Ds era I would love to see support for various ways to play. I recently started playing MTG again and I love the variation and the fact that I can enjoy the new stuff in standard, but still play formats that either remind me of when I used to play or more loose formats like say commander, which for the most part besides a few bans I can put any card from Magic's history in. I've been considering buying some YuGiOh cards again recently and if there was more support that would be all the jump I'd need.

@ivolopez-felix5270

3 жыл бұрын

Dude i feel the same. Im the reverse though. I just started to put down MTG after around 10 years mostly casual. Yugioh seems like fun again if they let me play old cards in a different format!

@Brooska

2 жыл бұрын

I’m the same. I stopped after 5D’s. Then didn’t play any card games for years until just recently when I started playing duel links. Now I only play speed duel format, as I find it way more fun, quick, and the current card pool for the physical version is still only up to GX which I love about it. Less super complex effects make it easier for people to get into as well.

Me (a Scottish person) hearing Paul use the word “wee” to mean “little” 😍😍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

One format that a ton of people enjoy in MTG that I think would be really fun in YGO is the Pauper format. The base rule is that you can only use cards that have been printed in common rarity. So example, if a card was originally secret BUT it has been reprinted as a common, then that card is a legal card to be used in the format. You can use whatever rarity of the card in your deck so long as we know it has been printed once as a common. This would let a lot of weaker archetypes see play. We've have very powerful generic support cards like Ash Blossom, Foolish Burial, etc printed as commons so it's not like we won't have powerful cards to play with. Of course this YGO Pauper format will have its own banlist as well. I think this could be a very popular format for players, especially the more casual players that don't wanna drop hundreds of dollars on a deck.

@josepharmstrong6852

3 жыл бұрын

Would be cool but why konami will not make money so what's the modivation for them to do that :)

@christopherbolanos4695

3 жыл бұрын

@@josepharmstrong6852 The thing you can take from magic is that if a format takes off, cards that normally would be junk cards become expensive in the secondary market, this will allow Konami the chance to reprint these cards in special sets so they can make a profit.

They need to bring yugioh dungeon and dice back i miss this one😭😔

@CardMasterBrian

3 жыл бұрын

YES!!

@ShadowdragonYamiryu

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@annedrieck7316

3 жыл бұрын

Dice roll!

@Aigis31

3 жыл бұрын

i doubt they would ever seriously consider it, though. figures like that are pretty expensive to make

I’ve always had this idea that they should divide tournaments into groups. For example, if you want to play old school with just vanilla monsters, traps and spells, you belong in group “A”. If you want to compete with a group where they have fusion monsters in the extra deck and ritual monsters in the main deck, you go to group “B”. To sum it up, depending what your deck has, that’s where you belong. Play against someone that is on your level of playing. I feel like that would be a lot of fun.

@X420BlazeNoScope

3 жыл бұрын

They did that in a way with the anime MC in the different generations, idr the name of the format. Was very interested in it and it almost got me back in the game. Unfortunately Komoney let it flop and everyone cares about advanced

@raulfreshiee9258

3 жыл бұрын

@@X420BlazeNoScope Yes, you got a point about Komoney lol

@starbound100

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, A LOT of players just said they liked it. But unfortunately, casual yugioh is disappearing. The game is becoming more and more competitive oriented in it's playerbase, so an event that is percieved as lesser with less or no prizes will inevitably flop. It's honestly why in my opinion speed duel flopped. No tournaments. No prizes. No incentive to play.

Highlander/Singleton format, so you can only run 1 copy of any card.

@wilfulbuckle13

3 жыл бұрын

And add multiplayer, so much more fun. I come from MTG and that's the only way to play in my opinion.

@pippofelipe6901

3 жыл бұрын

Interactions in commander/EDH are amazing

@Firehoundex

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds really fun! Commander is the only thing I play for magic.

@pippofelipe6901

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilfulbuckle13 i've been trying to play it with a friend. We are trying things like a command zone (any monster) for example: dark magician (LV 7/spellcaster/dark) and the deck only can run spellcaster and/or dark monsters - just like the color restriction in Commander - and everytime the "general" is destroyed, he returns to the command zone and its cost is increased by 1 tribute. Also, we are using 60 cards + the commander monster

@pippofelipe6901

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firehoundex me too. I never got tired of playing commander. It can be played both casually and competitive. So many tribes, decks, combos, interactions. It's the best multiplayer format i've played in my life. 1 card of each is nice too because it is more affordable and you can play whatever you want.

The 3v3 format that have been used on the anime of Yu gi Oh 5D have a great potential, and it could go like this to make it more balance : - The kicker is that they share the same extra deck , so 3 decks (3 players) would share a 15 limit extra deck - They have to share the same limit of 3 cards. Example is like if player number 1 have monster reborn , player number 2 and 3 cannot have it. Another example is if the first player have 3 "Elemental Hero Shadowmist", the second player and third player cannot have a Shadowmist on their decks. So this encourage the team to distribute the resources on each deck - When you reduce your opponent LP to 0, the duel ends and it goes to the new opponent. This also applies when the opponent can lose on their own turn , the player who reaches to 0, his next partner will begin right away. Speaking of this, many new strategies can come out of this if you per say pay all your life points to set up a board for your teammate that will go next (how Crow and Jack would do it for Yusei). - A downside of this is that Link summoning and Xyz would be the most played cards (on the 3v3 format) from the extra deck due to them been that easy to summon - To make it short, because is like 3v3, and pretty much it can come down to 6 duels , making it best of 1 is okay - The Side deck is also of 15 cards and it's share between all the decks - Here is the kicker with the side deck and the main decks, you cannot change between cards between the main decks, you can only change from the side deck. It is pretty complicated since on a best of 3, the first duel is always the deck list you give to the opponent, and then on round 2 you can do the necessary changes. Here though because is a best of one, players who are going second and third can do the changes, while the first players are lockdown to their list. - Finally, this is mainly to have fun, and see what crazy combinations can people come up with on this format

I feel like they should have a sealed draft format that would be lit ngl😂

@Dingg00se

3 жыл бұрын

Battle Pack. Was discontinued because the majority only cared about the reprints

@dreji

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dingg00se yeahhhhh I want one like as a side YCS event

@thomasrayner5301

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they give everyone 3 custom structure decks then they make their own decks

@Dingg00se

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreji They DID do these as side events. No one went to them

@Fujiisamaa

3 жыл бұрын

that would be fun, they can pull out just some old 2009 booster boxes for them to pick from

For that matter, this is exactly why I invested in three boxes of BP1 when I did. In 2011, I was getting more and more frustrated with the game and reached my breaking point in 2013 due to Spellbooks and Inzektors. So I decided for myself that if I ever decide to quit, I will always hold onto my BP1 stuff so that I can always play with a friend if need be. Right now, I have gotten back into yugi strictly as a casual hobby. I haven't played competitively since 2014 and I'm happy with that. The next time I ever attend a regional, it will be to unleash my reformatted version of Dungeon Dice Monsters on the public. Seriously. Been working on that since 2013 actually

@mojo873

3 жыл бұрын

One thing I wish is that more people would realize that there's genuinely nothing wrong with just being a casual player who plays the game as a hobby. I think people focus so much on making the competitive scene appeal to casual players instead of just accepting the casual players as part of the scene.

i remember tag duals - waaaay back when i used to play, my local play group actually had tag duel events! But it ended up dying due to cards like chain strike :( i feel like it would probably need its own separate banlist but honestly - i really enjoyed just buddying up with a friend and going "my lightsworn - your destiny heroes, lets see how we do!" it was a lot of fun

A pauper format would be cool.

@cristianDominguez314

3 жыл бұрын

Pauper?

@numberoneappgames

3 жыл бұрын

@@cristianDominguez314 Good question. Pauper format is used by the MTG. All the cards have to be common.

@goncaloferreira6429

3 жыл бұрын

@@numberoneappgames rareties dont have the same meaning in yugioh.

@numberoneappgames

3 жыл бұрын

@@goncaloferreira6429 what do you mean? Then why not have an all common match up then. Where all the cards in the deck have to be common. That way we avoid more expensive/recent cards.

@goncaloferreira6429

3 жыл бұрын

@@numberoneappgames correct me if i am wrong. isnt mtg the only game where rareties are set witl limited play in mind? since yugioh(and otehr games) dont have real, dedicated limited formats, rarities are about how rare a card is or how pretty it is. hence why you have the same card with diferent rarities.

This man constantly spits out solid ideas and points.

Without GOATs I wouldn’t be here

@AzIgaziMakk

3 жыл бұрын

Haha welcome to the club :D

Honestly if there was a type of "Vintage" or "Modern" format like MTG, I would consider getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh. I used to be a competitive player between 2008 - 2010 and miss running Harpies'. Knowing Konami this will never happen

@leonardoodranoel4086

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough harpies are pretty decent this format in combination with tribrigades

Great videos, guys! I haven’t played in 15 years, but I’m building a deck to get back into it. This channel is a good way to get caught up to the modern meta.

Exactly, something exciting. I started playing in tournaments around little city big city heroes. Stopped right before links became meta and the one extra deck zone rule was implemented. Recently I became friends with a few people that use cards that are 2014 and older in the main and side deck. But you can only use cards in your extra deck that are pre 2008. So it's been fun taking my collection and creating decks that are some what balanced following these rules.

We should have a commander deck style format, 1 card copies, all limited and banned cards are banned, all semi limited cards are limited. 60 card deck, one copy max of each card, no limited or banned cards!

@Ambyli

3 жыл бұрын

I would love this. Commander is a ton of fun and if it were in yugioh then it could make a lot more of that classic back and forth.

@ZalvadorZali

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ambyli there's a lot of cards now to choose from, enough to make an interesting format. It would also reduce three copies of each hand trap and crazy search combos, it may even bring forth to decks that need to have two archetypes to fully get the complete 60 cards

I want that Dungeon Dice Monster to return. I would also like to have Capsule Monster to try it out. I wish a type of speed duel (like in 5D’s) where you can use speed counters to use gaming changing effects or to use powerful ones too. Maybe a way to do Dungeon Duels from the original anime.

@CardMasterBrian

3 жыл бұрын

They did an ok job with the original run of it! Not sure why it didn't keep going... probably cost.

I've always thought that a limited format would be cool, where every card is limited (forbidden cards still forbidden though). It would kinda be like how in the anime people would only use 1 copy of every card, also might lead to some interesting deck building.

@prehistoricplayer1132

3 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in kaiba's 3 blue eyes white dragons*

@mrdilonemusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@prehistoricplayer1132 lol

@mrdilonemusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@prehistoricplayer1132 start using king of swamp lmao

@prehistoricplayer1132

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrdilonemusic hahaha hell yeah!

@mrdilonemusic

3 жыл бұрын

the side deck potential for this would be insane too

Best format: You're only allowed 1 of each card unless a card effect or summoning requirement specifically requires more than one copy of that card, like specific fusion material monsters etc. Also 2 Polymerisation. That's it.

Coming from Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh! really needs something like the Commander Format, the most popular one by now and heavily supported. For YGO this would mean: 1. It has to be a fan-made format, so it doesn't feel like Konami made it to grab your money, but they can support it with product to get value out of it. 2. It has to be multiplayer (1vs1vs1vs1 at best) but not necessarily Tag-Duels, so it can get a political aspect of deals and archenemy moments. 3. It has to have a kind of social contract where playgroups just agree on a power level of the decks or where you can tell people at a LGS what power level your deck has. This comes with a format specific banned list as well as certain agreements between players that are common sense. There also is a competitive scene but players just have to agree first if they want to play all competitive or all non-competitive. 4. It has to have a way to always have access on some of your favorite cards, like the Commander in the Command zone who is actually always a part of your hand. 5. Commander in MTG is highlander (every card at 1) with double the lifepoints (16000?) and 100 card decks. Most combos are highly balanced by that. This format has united many tournament players with kitchen table players that can play all the old cards they want and compete with all the other decks to a certain level. And it is a huge sucess for Wizards of the Coast as well.

@GabetheGuru

3 жыл бұрын

As a commander player myself, this sounds like a great idea. maybe you should get to start with a field spell of your choice on the field (next I valley tier one)

I came up with a Samurai format and am currently in the process of getting double playsets of everything I need for it. Currently, it is strictly six samurai stuff with everything at 3, but gateway is erratad. You can only have one copy on the field and only use one of its effects per turn. Once I get everything together, I plan on unleashing it at my local card shop.

i remember the battle pack draft tournaments and 2v2 tournaments at locals. they were some of my first haha

I would like to see a format where budget decks were actually viable, I also think this would be great for newer players who were just looking to test the game out to see if they like it. As an airsofter as well as a casual yugioh player I know that hobbies can be expensive but there are usually budget options available. The issue is budget decks in yugioh are like playing airsoft with a nerf gun, you might get a kill but its gonna be very difficult.

The deck builder side sets would be a great choice for a drafting set with a few tweaks, a few more generic cards or cards that can potentially support 2 of the archetypes in the set.

I remember a little while back my LGS had a Pre Release for a new YuGiOh. As a magic player, I thought it was where you get packs and make a deck from those packs. I was dead wrong lol. I signed up then found out you had to bring your own deck for a touny, and the winner got the new product. It was my fault for not doing further research. But I went out of my way to play YuGiOh when I havent in many years because I thought I would be on even footing with others building a draft deck.

I kinda want the generation format along with the advanced format cuz just imagine WCS having multiple winners (DM/GX champ, 5D, Zexal, etc)

A format like Magic's EDH could be interesting. It's based off Speed Duels rules but uses standard format cards. You get one monster that's your "ace" monster, and that stays on the field the entire time but you can only use each of its effects once per game. In addition, ace monsters with 2500 or more attack or defense can participate in battle only once per game. 2 copies of a card allowed, 41 card decks, maximum of 3 special summons and 1 extra deck summon per turn.

Tag Team format would have been fun to see more of (I remember a few locals in my area that had them) One format that the original series touched on that I wished they could have expanded on in the game was the Deck Master system. Create an official database of the Monster cards in the game, with a Deck Master effect applied to each one (that way you don't have to reprint cards, just access the database for your chosen monster).

A Couple of Alternative Formats that I would like to see more of are the First is a Format that I've only played in an App that Per Dates Dual Links and that is Yu Gi Oh BAM! I loved that style of play. What it is You you must have Exactly 3 Cards in your Hand at the start of everyone of your Turns and You also must Use Up Every Card in Your Hand By the End Of Your Turn If Able and the rest is just Like 'Rush Duals' with Mass Summons and Mass Draws, it may sound simple but it's really fun....well for me at least. And the Second One I don't know how you could do it Especially when it's just One V One is Boss Duals.

Just have a format that you can only use cards from the last... mayb 6-10 base/main sets or something with a set rotation? And have an "Eternal" list. Like the opposite of Forbidden, which is a set of cards that could always change that allowed no matter what whether or not they were printed in the newest sets or not.

A cool one that would probably immediately have a meta is basically the "sphere field" format. The rules go exactly how you remember them from Zexal, but I think some changes would have to be made. At the start of the duel, set aside at least 15 Number cards in your "number pile" (for clarification, a number card is an xyz monster that has a number as a part of it's name, such as "number 17," "number 32", so on and so forth). At any point in the Duel, during your main phase, you can overlay two or more monsters of the same level from your hand, and then place a number monster at random from your number pile on top of the overlayed monsters onto the field, which is treated as an xyz summon. If a number monster that was summoned this way no longer has xyz materials attached to it, that monster is sent to the graveyard. Also, if a chaos number is summoned in this fashion, you can attach its corresponding number to it as an xyz material from your number pile (for instance, if "Number C9: Chaos Dyson Sphere" was summoned, you attach "Number 9: Dyson Sphere to it as material). However, you can still xyz summon number monsters from your number pile by xyz summoning normally.

The format me and friends have been playing as of late had been "Ace" format. Normal deck size, life points, ban list and board at the moment BUT it's Singleton so only one copy of each card per in deck except your Ace card which is aloud play set. It's not a completely balanced but it's very casual and slower play which reminds me twilightsworn format speed play. There's plenty of opportunity for Archetype mixing and perfect for getting older people back onto the game while letting them ease into the new rules. Very fun!

@jonakill5510

3 жыл бұрын

That actually sounds fun.

I have a format with my friends Its called Structure Dueling It is the same game but -You can only use 1 card of each card in your deck -And You play Mr3 rules and the MR3 rules arent really something to make u scared of pendulum since they can only use ONE of each card so its not really anything to worry about

Caste party is the format where all cards are the same rarity. Another type of Pegasus challenge is having someone announce a random effect that takes place during each round. There's also highlander, all cards at one copy each. Cross Banlist is a way to experiment with meta decks of the past. Double Deck Format: exactly 100 cards in main deck, up to 30 in Extra, up to 15 in Side; draw 2 cards during Draw Phase. Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water Format (ie Be the Avatar, LOL): Must run at least 4 monster cards of each of these 4 very attributes in the main deck.

@bmcoyne88

3 жыл бұрын

Sealed Deck Format: $10 entry, each person gets a specific starter/structure deck. Alternatively, each player can choose one off the shelf.

One thing I've thought would be interesting is a format where they loosen the banlist. They ban the OTKs, hand destruction loops and other things like that, but they let everything else go wild. Let us see what tier 0 deck is really the best when they go up against some competition, or if there's a sleeper pick that only works if it has this little bit of consistency that got banned 4 years ago. Push the game to its limits and see what rises to the top when you go with the syndrome strategy of 'everyone's super, no one will be'

Honestly tho it is hard keeping up. I left about over a year ago from competitive and trying to come back has been a massive pain since even after knowing all summons, all timing rules, the game still changes so much none of my plays are optimal anymore and there’s new things to watch out for and different interaction points compared to Gouki/ Sky Striker/ Thunder Dragon formats when I played

Well DM and GX era i would def play for example or any format which feels like that.

Definitely would like a rotation style as I am a Pokémon player who played yugioh during its first years before synchros were even a thing however now that the game has changed so drastically I can’t jump right in especially with such a strong meta ... either Rotate based of sets or generations starting with releasing the old cards again forcing players to use those cards then eventually slowly release syncs, xyz, link etc or put a rotation on “specialty” cards only allows player to use either syncs, xyz, link , pendulums or fusion during a rotation or only 1 specialty card per deck so you can’t pendulum, link and xyz summon 40 monsters a turns

My issue with a rotation set up is actually something I love about Magic the Gathering. The sets would have to be something close to 200+ cards each and packs would have to get bigger and more expensive if Konami wanted to keep staples like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone in the rotation. This would open-up sets to be more draft-friendly but it would also theoretically mean digging for singles (if you're in to buying sealed for just one card) would get harder and more expensive.

@Zetact_

3 жыл бұрын

Also it severely hinders legacy support. Imagine if you had to play Resonators/Red Dragon Archfiend but only using the new Arc-V cards so no Synkron, no Call, and hell, no Abyss. Typically they do reprint key cards when legacy support comes around but if Konami said, “Okay, new support for X-Sabers... Reprint half the archetype with it.” It’d cause tremendous pack bloat.

@josephcourtright8071

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zetact_ If a set included Red Dragon Archfiend the support would be in the set. Its how sets work. Its true the you get reprints less often in magic, but you don't need to. Magic prints lots of cards with similar effects between sets. Yugioh could just use the same cards often. A popular archetype is almost guaranteed to appear again and again.

I had an idea for a way to slow the game down a bit in a separate format: other card games have resource systems (mana for mtg, energy for pokemon) so the game starts slowly and ends with game ending plays several turns later. This also has the upside that initial turns have simpler game states and are therefor are not as overwhelming for newer players. An interesting change for a new format would be if you were only allowed a number of summons equal to the turn count (1 summon on the first turn, 2 on the second turn, and so on). This turn count would include ANY type of summon. I've been testing around with that for a while and deck building looks completely different and gives a lot of older cards more use.

@Stinkoman87

3 жыл бұрын

You could also implement a resource system like the kind used in Turbo Duels - you get 1 a turn, spend it now or let it build up.

The only formats I could see yugioh having is things like sets designed for draft and sealed. Those are probably the most doable while being different. You could do formats based on when the cards came out. Like magic does with vintage, legacy, modern, and pioneer, standard. Where each of those formats has a card pool and ban list based off when the cards came out. that could change up the meta a bit in yugioh. The tag duel stuff could be cool in magic its called 2 headed giant. The only problem I see with yugioh and different unique formats like speed duels and whatever is going on in japan atm. Now when it comes to a multi-player format like magics extremely popular commander I'm not sure yugiohs game system itself really allows for a format like that to be possible. With how restrictive yugiohs bord is I'm don't think it would work out very well.

@TravisPilgrim

3 жыл бұрын

formats based on when the cards came out might seem like the way to go but I think it somewhat clashes with the way yu-gi-oh! sets are designed. With arechtype based design, a lot of cards rely on other specific cards. With a lot of archetypes being spread out among several booster sets, deciding on a cut-off point for a format will almost certaintly neuter some archetypes right out of the gate. Alternatively, formats could be created based on summoning mechanics. I think a lot of the complexity of the game stems from the different summoning mechanics, each with their own specific rules, and how they interact. Formats could be made based on the order in which the mechanics were introduced. Since all the summoning mechanics are color coded, it would make it easy to identify which cards are not allowed in the format. Additionally, summoning mechanics are typically tied to the different anime shows so the names of the shows could be used as names for the different formats. for example: GX format: no synchros, xyz's, pendulums, or Links 5D's format: no xyz's, pendulums or links Zyxel format: no pendulums or links etc.

@poluicionador

3 жыл бұрын

@@TravisPilgrim Formats based on when the cards came out might change the way YuGiOh sets are designed.

I think this topic goes hand in hand with your earlier video about having a problem attracting new players. Having only one format means tons of power creep to keep the game fresh and leaves new players in the dust.

i have thought alot about this "how to fix the game" and i agree with everything you say there should be different tier torny but rather than just allow certain decks into differ formats how about making formats with edited rules e.g. a format that limits time per turn or limits summons also i think rather than having a banlist where the certain cards are band , a combo banlist would be better cos it would still allow you to use cards that are band but not with other cards i really think this would help the game alot . i hope korami listens to you Paul

I think if yugioh had alternative formats by era (DM, GX, 5Ds, etc.) it would be good. It's a good way to gradually introduce someone to the different summoning mechanics, and is good for nostalgia for players that prefer different eras. It also opens the floodgates for different banlists, for example, dandylion is obviously a bit too broken for link format, but merely a *good* option in the 5Ds or Zexal era. It's super simple to block off by sets, the hardest part is coming up with banlists, but even then, there's past lists to look at for reference.

Groups like Luxury Games do organize the Rogue tournaments and those seem popular. It basically has a custom banlist where they ban engines or archetypes etc. Konami could maybe do tournaments like that. Also on the rotation format. I would be okay with that as it's own format but I love that we don't have that as the main TCG format. One reason I love about the game is how random old cards can pop up in newer strategies in weird ways. From playing Inferoble Knights for example I've had to look at different older cards like Power Tool Dragon or Coltwing to solve the problems of the deck. Even just seeing cards like Needle Ceiling and Book of Moon popping in topping deck lists in 2021.

I totally agree with the weight class system I think that would be perfect addition to the game

A low power format would be friggen cool. I love playing Watts and would love to play them in a tourney again

Old player here. I never really got into the competitive scene but was active at locals circa 2009-2011 and played the game from its inception up until the years listed. Power creep and the feeling that I had to play specific decks in order to “compete” at locals definitely discouraged me from trying to invest fully into the game. I’m at a point now where it wouldn’t be too difficult to buy whatever cards I need to run whatever the best meta deck is, but I would fall flat on my face trying to play it because the game is nothing like it was when I left it. That’s not a bad thing - new mechanics and styles of play keep things fresh - but I watch videos of modern Yu-Gi-Oh! and there’s barely enough time for me to understand how all the cards work with one another. Alternative formats would pique my interest, and I think would help keep people on board longer. I’ve had a lot of fun playing a variety of decks in Goat Format lately, for what that’s worth.

I agree with this. From what I understand Goat Format has a huge following. Maybe Konami could have a 'Side tournament' at some of their regionals For those who want to play (or perhaps have goat format tournaments a couple times a year and the prizes could be different cards within the format but of different rarities. also like the idea of the Constructed Format using 'Battle Packs' type of releases (these could possibly be done on a smaller level - maybe at the larger locals that could host them.

A format I'd like to see is a points for at. Each card is worth a particular amount of points, you can make a deck that costs max of X amount of points. Some cards would still probably be banned of course, but a lot less. Official support for 2 v 2 duels would be sick, been a while Normal monsters (in the main deck) non-effect (in the extra deck) only is also fun, and lets you have a lot of back and fourth with your opponent and insane combos that last so long you can feel yourself ageing isn't likely

We totally agree! We've got a fun, new format we're working on. Can't wait to share more and see what happens. :)

One thing I thought of is potentially cutting the extra deck down in size, giving less outs, and maybe have rotating extra deck formats. Like for 6 months you can only play fusions and link, then the next 6 months you can play synchro and xyz, or w/e combination. This gets by the generational issue and a ban list issue since all of a certain card is banned, which makes a lot of cards that support those extra deck cards almost unplayable so you don't have to specifically ban them.

Magic has a format similar to the rarity based format you were talking about. It’s called Pauper and you could only play Commons. It seems really fun. Yugioh could also probably have a Commander type format. Since Yugioh doesn’t have color identities it could based on type and attribute. Commander is also a Singleton format (meaning you can only play 1 copy of each card). Singleton keeps the power level lower inherently because it limits consistency and combos. Lastly I think the most creative potential format is something based off of Duelist of the Roses. For anyone who hasn’t played DotR it was a Yugioh game that combined the card game with board game elements. The rules would take some adjusting for irl play obviously, but I remember there was a KZreadr who played it with his friend back in like 2011 (they called it Map Duels). It seemed to flow really well.

I think with some official support Goat format tournaments would rise like never before. So yeah I would love to see that happen maybe even make new packs with specific prints of certain cards to support the format.

I remember being very excited when they first announced the Generation Duel formats years ago, which in hindsight I should have known better than to be because those formats were DOA due to a complete lack of actual support and incentive. In order to thrive, think this would require a permanent presence in side event form at major events. This also means that the player base would have to be willing to dedicate time and resources to it and engage with it as well, adding another layer of difficulty to its sustainability, but I think those formats are a great idea that provide... well, generational opportunity and viability to the game outside of the primary Advanced format which large swaths of the player base come and go with. I have no hopes it will ever actually manifest into anything, but maybe one day there will be legitimate alternative formats that stick and provide options for every type and level of player.

I like the idea of a weighted format. Would likely require something along the lines of creating a card list with point values for every card. A card's point value would be based on how powerful it is on its own, or, in the case of archetype specific cards, the overall power of the function it provides to its archetype. Your deck's "weight" would be the combined point total of each single card in your deck. How exactly this would be split into weight classes though would be heavily up for debate.

That weight class idea for deck tournaments is the most genius thing

2 vs 2 duels were epic playing on Dueling Nexus so much crazy things happened xD

I’d like a character larping deck format where they have requirements and restrictions on what can be in the chosen characters deck and they utilize the traditional ban list for those events, I feel like this would be simultaneously fun and challenging for those involved plus make the legacy support they’ve been pumping out relevant

1 of my local shops used to do rogue day

I feel like a possibly simpler format would be generational aka a ritual/fusion, synchro, link and XYZ tournaments so people who like specific systems could join those tournaments. You could also combine some if that many types is overwhelming such as ritual/fusion/synchro, fusion/link/XYZ. Plus have one where all of the above is used. (fusion in both cause it's a staple for the game) I feel like doing this could promote alternate formats or at the very least make them special event tournaments like a 5D tournament when it excludes link and XYZ so prizes could be more synchro based.

I alway played tag games 2vs2 and even 3vs 3 with my friends. It was a lot of fun

You should put this out as a podcast !

A friend of mine built a cube to draft with for yugioh. It had enough stuff for a 12 person rotisserie draft.

I really like playing pure decks, i know it s cool to try some spicy things, but i think it would be nice if there were a format where everyone has to paly pure, there will not be op deck but casual players could play the deck they love with the theme they like the most

Like the Tier format idea (similar to how Pokémon, not the TCG version!) have tiers in the competitive formats, where the most commonly played/most powerful decks are only eligible in top tiers, but banned in lower tiers, also like the DM-era, GX-era ideas. Agree that it'll be tough to manage though...

What you are saying at about 9:35 in is exactly what I would love to see

I come from Magic, and if Yu Gi Oh could do something like Magic's Jumpstart I think that would be really great. Basically its a bunch of half-decks sold at around $5-$6 each that you can combine two and make into one deck. I don't know how that would work in YuGiOh, but I think just the casual picking up a couple packs at the store, shuffling them together and playing would be perfect. Even if you could do these with your own cards. Again, no clue on rules but I think something like that would be great. It just needs the easy to pick up factor.

Or a deck master, like the one in the anime, they did it but was not heavily produced by konami, you can further this by making deck master like commander, except by letting you special summon your deck master at any time and if it dies you then lose the game, but a added rule is, if you use the deck masters ability, you loose 2k as a cost, there for if a card has multiple effects to use it you will lose alot of life points thus making you want to use not so heavy cards, also you can use your deck masters ability from its deck master zone. But as a added restriction you can only use it once and you still pay cost, where as if you are on the field it will be able to use it as long as you have lp, also only restrict it to monsters, not extra deck monsters, and no spell/trap

I think a format limited to last 3 (meaning within the last year) Deck Builder Packs+a reprint set of generic cards (MST, Monster Reborn etc.) would be interesting. Combines set rotation with a small, manageable format where a player could, conceivably, have some understanding of every card in the format (3*45, plus ~100 generic cards is less cards than Gold and Silver had Pokemon). It would also allow for drafts and sealed play without introducing new product. 3X structure deck seems interesting, but the gulf in power is massive between decks, even right from the start (The original Structure Deck Kaiba’s inclusion of a consistent OTK, Zombie Madness and Fury from the Deep compared to any other option from that era) and it doesn’t really print money for Konami. It also has an issue with ban lists

What I think would be a real game changer for Yugioh, is a multiplayer free for all format. It would open doors for new players but also veterans who are in a rut. Greatest challenge in this is determining and balancing the way cards would work in free-for-all. Something like this: Raigeki would let you choose 1 opponent to wipe the board from, while Dark Hole wipes every players board. You guys have an entire Team with passion and years of experience in Yugioh, also a great audience. Maybe you guys can come up with some rulings for a functioning free-for-all format!!

Commander is the only reason so many people play MtG, yugioh absolutely needs something like that. I think what theyre trying to do by leaning into the anime connected sets (speed duel battle city is a huge step in the right direction). Draft also seems like a huge gap, one draft set every summer would be excellent

@Habeev07

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, a 40 card singleton format. pot greed legal again. XD.

@rorymurphy6081

3 жыл бұрын

@@Habeev07 I do think something like 60-70 singleton would be interesting, forces people to get a lot more creative with the cards they use and makes consistency less likely.

I have an AMAZING format idea iv been thinking of that could be fair. Iv thought about making a yugioh channel just to talk about it. I agree that yugioh needs more casual but fun formats and my idea...it could be what we all want.

Have you ever played Duelists of the Roses? I've always wanted to see something like the Deck Cost system be implemented to prevent overloading with so many good cards at once.

They have implemented those in the past i think the problem is that once sellings are done they don't support it much longer and very few people get into it, just look at speed duels the newest alternative format is not doing very well and may be discontinued if dosnt get a decent playerbase.

We need yata lock format. Goat format and zoodiac formats for competitive play

Weight class idea is such a good idea- really would make the game more playable and fun!

Would love to see a system implemented similar to Pokemon where better pokemon are considered Ubers and statistically worse pokemon are ranked in lower tiers and then only ubers can be used against ubers but you can use low tier pokemon against higher tier, could be applied to archetypes and meta cards and get tournaments for different tiers where your deck applies for a certain rank of the tournament

I really would like a yugioh tier list for tourneys (Like he discussed in the vide) something where certain cards are banned and unbanned, different sets can and cannot be used, maybe have more control on the extra deck or something of that nature. Hell give a format for low budget players like the draft play( $50 entry fee and keep the cards or keep them if you win idk). Id just like a way for me to join the game without sticking to one Mehta and let my skills be more of a factor than my wallet and broken cards from the game, luck too but that's not uncommon for tcg

Here's the alt format I thought I'm going to aces short basics 0. Multiplayer casual have fun 1. 59 card singleton format with one ace card or skill card. 2. skill cards can be any skill from duel links or speed duels as long as the card wouldn't increase any players deck size about 59 3. an ace card is any card and would be placed in skill zone. Any time you would draw a card you can add your ace card yo your hand. When an ace card is removed from the field place it in the skill zone. For each additional time you add your ace to your hand you have to discard 1addtinal card. 4. one special summon per turn The

A format with all cards/sets just before synchro?!

Formats I'd like to see supported - Pauper - Only cards printed as common. Highlander - All cards are limited. 60 Card Deck minimum Unlimited - Only unlimited cards can be used. Super Unlimited, Only unlimited cards, but you can have as many copies as you want. 5 Headed Dragon - 5 player free for all, the winner has to defeat the other four. Jinzo Format - No Traps in decks Horus Format - No Spells in decks Law of the Normal - No effect monsters in decks. Macro Cosmos - All cards are banished. Graveyard doesn't exist.

I think sealed or draft is the best place to start for new formats. It puts everyone on a level playing field so new players won’t feel bad, it can be designed to limit the overly complicated cards, and it helps sell more packs so Konami can get around the singles market. New players also can build their collections over time to eventually transition to normal Yugioh. It’s a win for everyone and I’m pretty shocked Konami doesn’t put more support into sealed/draft.

I'm trying to create formulas for how good card effects and mechanics, would be easier to find out how the odds are with 2 players going up against each other.

Honestly the only Yugioh I play anymore is Trinity Format. The ruleset is a bit more complex but It addresses many of the issues you brought up. ATM we are a fairly tight online community of about 30 people, though we know some locals groups play the format IRL.

I got in to GOAT Format a few months ago and I really enjoy it. The card pool and banlist always stay the same and yet people are still coming up with new strategies and decks to this day. It's also very cheap because most of the cards have been reprinted as commons. Even though there are "stronger" decks in GOAT Format, building lesser powerful ones and facing off with those is still a load of fun as combos are still possible to an extent. While it is much, much slower than current YGO, I prefer that kind of play. I suggest GOAT Format to anyone who is looking for that sort of thing.

What do you think of Commander/DoTR formats? Yugioh could benefit from something radically different for people to try imo

Agreed 100% with this video. Paul I think you and the guys are in a prime position to inspire change. I Love the sealed and draft formats you guys put out. Magic has gained a lot of success from the other formats that are popular to players. I play all 3 games, and when it comes to magic I got back into it when I learned about Pauper and Commander formats. The player base longed for official support from WOTC and finally got it. Player can hold pauper tournaments and Commander grew enough for it to have its own committee. The committee sets a banned list and keeps the players interest and love of the game. I feel like the Yugitubers and our player base could use this for whatever format we show interest in

They could perhaps officially tier the top 5 decks and have a format where those are not permitted (archetype wise) which would then encourage use of others. (Or like a no S tier deck) There’s a plethora of archetypes, even random ones like prediction princess or an Odion trap deck. It would be so interesting to see random matchups like that rather than the predictable ‘oh another drytron vs eldlich’. It also opens the door to more skilled players rather than just wealthy players.

Hey Paul, I see you posted this video a while ago but if you see this then I might have an offer for Team APS in the spirit of the video's discussion. So for a while I'd come to a pretty similar conclusion that Yu-Gi-Oh could use with alternative ways to play, and one specific idea that came to my mind was cube drafts: homemade drafts made from a small, curated pool of single cards. It's of course very unofficial and very personalized, but I feel the virtues in it are that cubes can each be their own self-contained thing with their own internal balance, power level, and themes. And it's an idea I've sort of run with; for a couple of years now I've had one of these made I guess as a pet project, something that I occasionally revisit to tinker with and iterate on, so over time a lot of thought's gone into it. Folks that've played it seem to have a good time with it, though without other people that I currently hang out with that enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh the cube mostly just gathers dust these days. If the main channel's still on the lookout for possible content, I may be willing to lend you guys the cube to use for a video, or heck, just play in your free time. I dunno, the whole thing may just sound weird or self-absorbed, but I'd like to know what you think.

Great video. I think the way formats are handled in yu-gi-oh! is an important thing to think about going forward. I just don't see the current model, with complexity continiously growing, as being sustainable. I think Speed Duels could have been a great alternative format, but the fact that speed duel and original yu-gi-oh cards could not be used interchangeably ruined any potential speed duels had. Because of that choice, konami was basically competing against itself: you either play speed duels or Yu-Gi-Oh! but you can't buy speed duel product to slowly build a yu-gi-oh! collection to get into the original format or the other way way around. It's a shame too because Duel Links offered an easy way into the format. On top of that I think Speed Duels offered a really nice way of giving less powerful or less played arechtypes a chance by selectively introducing cards into the format. Converserly, I think formats based on rotation or a slected pool of sets is a poor fit fro yu-gi-oh!. Goat format works because it largely consists of sets from before archetype focused design. If rotation or set based formats are to become a think, they way yu-gi-oh! booster sets are designed would need to be overhauled.

I’m not going to sit here and try to create a format from the ground up but the best format Konami could make would be one to that recreates that feeling of nostalgia for people. One that lets players play anime style decks without worrying about the meta. I’ve also been saying for years that Konami could easily create a standard rotation by using reprint sets to keep old archetypes around as well as staples.

Honestly this is not to much to ask. I stepped away from the Yugioh card game when I hit Highschool. So 2006. I became a magic player exclusively from 18 years old till about 2 years ago. I’m 32 now. I’ve built 19 mtg decks and I’ve always loved the different formats. Each have their own ban lists, rules etc. Konami honestly sucks with their player base. I have never in my life heard of a company killing decks, not because they’re broken, but simply to force their player base to play their next new series of cards.. until I rejoined the game recently. Yugioh is my main game now, but honestly what keeps it fun for me is that my play group makes up different formats. I have my Blue Eyes Chaos Max deck and my full power Danger! Thunder Dragon deck with Colossus. Konami needs to quit treating its player base like trash, and focus on making this game fun and easily accessible to new players. You guys honestly need a standard format that rotates. You can keep the advanced style as your main eternal format, but killing Decks like Sky Striker and Thunder Dragons for no reason really blew. Don’t force people to trash and sell their cards. Encourage people to have a reason to keep buying old cards and new cards

@CardMasterBrian

3 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean! I started with MTG and moved to Yu-Gi-Oh! when it first came out. The thing I liked about Yu-Gi-Oh! was that it didn't have rotation. I hated knowing that after a few sets, most of my cards were no longer legal in MTG standard format. I have been out of MTG now for several years and recently got back into Yu-Gi-Oh! after a 3 year break, and its tough getting caught up with all the changes. Goat format is my only saving grace right now :-)