“Oh so he did stay 5 years?” - WTF HOW STONED ARE YOU BILL? 😢

@zurzakne-etra7069

10 ай бұрын

he hardly knows about the recession during covid... what do you expect?

@KealeyMissMultiFairy

7 күн бұрын

Bill Maher is such a scumbag. Always making up things about liberals that aren't true. He's like Judge Judy. Not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Did I mention he's a scumbag? I did? Good. It can't be said enough.

I love that bill talks out of his butt with such authority, only to find out he knew nothing at all. Sums up my entire opinion on him as a person, its just nice and concide in this one clip.

@Neonlike0

Жыл бұрын

Bill Maher is so ignorant it is disgusting.

@ryanshannon6963

Жыл бұрын

Bill has had *way too long* of *Jeer and Cheer cued crowds* to know how to ask questions when ignorant or unsure rather than make didactic statements when the facts are laughably contrary.

@cloverharvest1145

11 ай бұрын

That's basically all he does , and he does it with confidence and when "debating" he's main strategy is ridiculing the other party rather than reply and discuss. Shows you how long confidence can take you even if you're full of hot air in this age

@tykeboy16

11 ай бұрын

@@cloverharvest1145 yeah or he'll just say some basic facts very smugly and refuse to accept that there is nuance to the subject. "Well who cares about that because of this" *smug face intensifies*

@heidinova6883

11 ай бұрын

Well, I generally like Bill Maher, so let's hope he was learning.

You can tell jimmy knows a lot and what actually happened but doesnt want to explain it because you can explain certain logic to people that are completely missing it

@123nickman123

3 ай бұрын

Maher is too busy trying to fit himself into the story the whole time to shut his mouth and actually listen to someone who has insight into what happened. Then Jimmy shows a sense of inherent fairness/sportsmanship by saying he wouldn't have done that/it made him uncomfortable and Bill is like 'Are you crazy, I'd step over the body of my dead mother to get ahead!'

@GeraldRogers-yn7zo

11 күн бұрын

Jimmy is a sex trafficking monster

@KealeyMissMultiFairy

7 күн бұрын

@@123nickman123 Maher is a complete disingenuos scumbag.

Really glad Bill was so prepared for this conversation.

@ricarleite

4 ай бұрын

He was busy smoking pot

@kangaroofoot

4 ай бұрын

That’s what prepared looks like? I’d hate to see unprepared.

@jstnsmutek

10 күн бұрын

Not

This is the most real I’ve EVER seen Kimmel, man I think I like this version of him 1000% more than the tv version.

@goldenhourkodak

Жыл бұрын

You have to put on an act on those shows. Even Jimmy Fallon is off the show.

@briankennedy7100

Жыл бұрын

he is stoned

@rock-n-rollfoodie

Жыл бұрын

Jimmy’s voice sounds deeper here.

@felphero

Жыл бұрын

If he talked like this on his show he'd be fired in a week

@jackb8598

Жыл бұрын

I personally really like Jimmy Kimmel his show has for sure gotten too mainstream but to me he always seemed the most genuine and actually funny compared to all these other late night robots.

You gotta love Bill speaking about the situation with total confidence...and then being repeatedly surprised about key details 🤨 He keeps accusing Jimmy of hating Jay, but fails to recognize his point of view is skewed by his fondness of Jay.

@yammak2004

Жыл бұрын

No bill is a weasel just like Leno was a weasel

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

But Kimmel's point of view is, I suspect, affected by his reverence for Dave Letterman, and hanging out so much with a shock-jock/Leno hater like Stern.

@VoodooV1

Жыл бұрын

Bill has become such a whiny "kids get off my lawn" boomer. I can't watch him anymore. he just whines about the same shit every episode. He's insufferable.

@jameshershberger8085

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 don’t you think having a genuine friendship with Stern and an admiration/friendship with Letterman makes it so that what happened with Leno as he describes here convinced him solidly that Jay has poor character? He said Jay called him all the time, they spoke about stuff other than talk shows, he thought they were becoming friends and then when Jay’s ABC show was off the table the friendship is over. It seems to me Kimmel thinks to himself, “oh so what all my friends say about Leno is true.”

@safebans1369

Жыл бұрын

@@jameshershberger8085 It doesnt matter about their perspective, the facts show Leno to be a dishonest and selfish man

A good rule of thumb reinforced here: It's probably not a good idea to interview someone when you're stoned.

@wilfreddale764

12 күн бұрын

The one of this podcast is literally bill talking shit. Get with the program

@thisuniquechica

8 күн бұрын

Or someone who knows more about the topic than you 😅

The most fascinating part of this video to me is "Why does it sound like it's Bill Maher's first time hearing this story??" Does he sincerely not know the Conan/Leno drama?

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

He does these podcasts stoned. Glad HBO doesn't let him do that when he's hosting "Real Time."

Conan’s interview with Letterman after all the drama settles is great. Conan didn’t deserve how things played out. I blame Conan for my Insomnia since the 90’s, lol.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

None of them deserved it, but Conan set that debacle in motion when he agreed to *NBC's* dumb 5 year plan.

@kuryanthomas1438

Жыл бұрын

what i always found interesting in all this is that jimmy is team conan/letterman while his good man show buddy adam corollo is team jay leno and hates conan's guts.

@kuryanthomas1438

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 carolla spilled everything about it to bill simmons on a bs podcast when bill was still with espn. Apparently one time conan had carolla on the late show on nbc and supposed adam though that o'brien came off as rude and insincere to him. So I guess he held a grudge. And kimmel has stated with jay, carolla and jay like to work on antique cars together and exchange them, so they have that common hobby which drew them closer. Hence, carolla is team leno while you see here jimmy is team conan.

@josephkelley8641

Жыл бұрын

ima just glad they all got paid.

@AlessandroAltosoleChannel

Жыл бұрын

"Whatever you do, dont blame conan"

older conan and craig ferguson are miles ahead of todays late night

@ThomB1031

Жыл бұрын

They're not even talking about current events and they're still more entertaining.

@TIOLIOfficial

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea why NO ONE ever mentions Craig when talking about these shows. This is the first comment I've seen in YEARS that wasn't mine mentioning Ferguson.

@ME-zp9co

Жыл бұрын

Yes Jimmy fallon and Seth what ever his name is suck big time

@loveshack8172

Жыл бұрын

@@TIOLIOfficial I fucking love craig ferguson. Unfortunately I only discovered him a couple of years ago on youtube and never got to experience watching him every night on tv. I love Conan's stuff but I can't really sit through interviews with celebrities. Ferguson is the only guy I can watch interview celebrities he's fucking great.

@fredericf832

11 ай бұрын

Those 2 are great true but kimmel is great too he doesn't shy away to go after stupid politician

I love when Bill just goes off into a strawman argument and the uses it as fact.

@hutch1197

8 ай бұрын

Not just strawman, but fully conclusive without knowing a single fact about the situation. The whole second half of the conversation was Bill saying "Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that happened? Oh really?"

@johnsjohnson448

7 ай бұрын

@@hutch1197 Perhaps Bill was playing it coy, or was so caught up in launching his HBO show at the time that he lost touch with what transpired in his old time slot on ABC.

@joelrasdall7662

3 ай бұрын

Bill's one of those people I just ignore as much as possible because he so often just grabs an opinion and fires it out there. I have no idea why he's a thing. He's acting like he didn't know extremely basic facts about this sequence of events, like that Conan took the NBC gig instead of going to ABC. I only clicked on this for Kimmel's reaction; I never click on anything with Bill otherwise.

I agree with Jimmy about it being diabolical. Jay promised on air to give the show to Conan and announced it publicly many times. I've watched his interviews about it and I listened to him very closely and ultimately he didn't want to give up his show, and he believed that he was the only one who could do it. He did the same thing to Letterman when it was implicitly understood that Dave was to get the show after Johnny Carson retired- it's literally on record that Jay hid in a closet to spy on the network to figure out how to get the Tonight Show- that's how badly he wanted it! He lied to the public and to Conan under a bad faith promise and then turned around and quietly sabotaged him while trying to play the nice guy; Mr. "I don't want any drama" and yet drama somehow keeps following him. He knew exactly what he was doing to Conan. Conan uprooted his entire staff and his family from NY to move to LA to do the Tonight show after Jay's bad faith promise to the WORLD that Conan would get his show. Jay never had any intention of giving up his show, and that's why Jimmy is absolutely spot on here- diabolical is the word!

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: "Jay promised on air to give the show to Conan and announced it publicly many times." If you watch all of Jay's interviews on the topic, you will hear him state that *NBC* wanted him to publicly give his approval to the decision that Conan would get the show. Jay complaining about it would not have changed *NBC's* mind. Jay still would have had to go, and complaining would only have brought criticism of Conan for the way he went about getting Jay's job. RE: "[Jay] did the same thing to Letterman when it was implicitly understood that Dave was to get the show after Johnny Carson retired-" According to "The Late Shift," *NBC* was telling both Dave and Jay that they had the inside track on inheriting "The Tonight Show" when Carson retired. That was their way of holding onto BOTH guys. You can't blame Jay for *NBC* manipulating the two of them like that. RE: "it's literally on record that Jay hid in a closet to spy on the network..." The president of programming thought that Jay might have had their offices bugged. And yet...they still chose Jay. That should tell you something about who they preferred for the show. RE: "He lied to the public and to Conan under a bad faith promise." Jay didn't have the power to promise his job to anybody. *NBC* makes those decisions. Not outgoing hosts. RE: "...and then turned around and quietly sabotaged him..." *NBC* changed their minds when by 2009 Conan was losing ground at 12:35am to Craig Ferguson while Jay at 11:35pm was still #1. That's when they talked Jay into staying. RE: "Mr. "I don't want any drama" and yet drama somehow keeps following him." Consider the corporation he worked for. That's just how *NBC* treated their on-air talent. RE: "Conan uprooted his entire staff and his family from NY to move to LA to do the Tonight show" Yes, and after all that upheaval that resulted from his quest to host "The Tonight Show," Conan chose to resign and put all those people out of work. If we're going to be fair, then we have to look at any controversy from ALL sides. Not just the side we like best.

@johnsjohnson448

7 ай бұрын

Jay was a shark. He understood the business and did everything to protect his "turf."

@johnsjohnson448

6 ай бұрын

Jay was "forced" to say this. Contractually speaking.

@tylerwinkle323

4 ай бұрын

leno was a scumbag, stop defending him everybody in the industry knew this, and knew not to trust him. conan was just naive

@gallery7596

4 ай бұрын

@@tylerwinkle323 Yes, Conan was naive about how *NBC* treats it's on-air talent. If he'd consulted Leno before greenlighting the network's weird 5 year plan, Jay could've reminded Conan that he, too signed a long term agreement for "the Tonight Show" in exchange for turning down *CBS.* But when Jay got what they promised him, *NBC* turned around and offered the show to Dave when he threatened to go to *CBS.* That's just the way *NBC* rolls, and Conan was pretty daft thinking they wouldn't do the same thing to him that they did to Jay and Dave. So, Conan has to take some responsibility for what happened.

Another problem for Conan's Tonight Show: if your lead-in is another late night talk show, then your late night talk show playing immediately afterwards at night becomes redundant. Putting Jay before Conan obviously was going to poison Conan's chances for success. I mean, the whole deal was shady.

@abcdefg2120

Жыл бұрын

Are there any network late night talk shows that AREN’T airing immediately before or after another talk show? For better or for worse, that seems to be the case for every single one. Some seem to pull fairly good viewership in the second slot as well; Seth Meyers comes to mind. Many of the current lead-ins were promoted from the second slot as well.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Jay's "Tonight Show" was a strong lead-in for "Late Night With Conan O'Brien," and Jay even appeared on Conan's show. During Conan's first rocky season hosting "Late Night" the network was prepared to fire him, but Jay counseled them to stick with him and promised to end every telecast with "stay up for Conan" - which he did. Conan absolutely had reason to be grateful to Jay for the support he had received all those years at *NBC.*

@marshallross3373

Жыл бұрын

@@abcdefg2120 Hmm...I think the Jay show really cut into Conan's Tonight Show--they were kind of redundant, really.

@marshallross3373

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Strange, that's not how most people see it, including Conan. He had the opportunity to leave NBC 5 years before taking on the Tonight Show, but they made a deal with him which I don't believe included keeping Leno in the line up.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@marshallross3373 I wouldn't expect Conan to see it Jay's way, but he can't deny the fact that Jay's success at 11:35 provided "Late Night" with a strong lead-in for many years, and that Jay always encouraged his audience to watch Conan. RE: "He had the opportunity to leave NBC 5 years before taking on the Tonight Show, but they made a deal with him which I don't believe included keeping Leno in the line up." Correct, and it wounded Jay deeply that Conan made this deal without at least consulting him first (so he wouldn't be shocked by the news that *NBC* was dropping him in favour of this guy he had helped out along the way).

I love how this show is supposed to be 2 chill guys smoking pot, but it ends up just Bill getting stoned by himself lol

@josephkelley8641

Жыл бұрын

Bill very good at letting down Bill's guard. Trusts Jimmy and Jay.

@ronniechilds2002

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I think Jimmy is high as a kite.

@bernlin2000

Жыл бұрын

If this is how Bill "chills" IRL I would expect him to get stoned alone quite a bit 🤣 who the hell wants to argue endlessly while stoned?

@justtim1269

Жыл бұрын

And he talks the entire episode lol cuts the guest off cause he’s stoned as hell

@1225KPH

Жыл бұрын

Bill misses all those decades getting gonorrhea at the Playboy Mansion.

"Nobody is blaming Conan" 🤣

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

They could, though.

Conan was so great on the late show. He got everyone on his staff paid and you could tell he is a kind hearted guy who puts others first

@mithrandir491

9 ай бұрын

His buddies wanted him to take the abc slot so he felt guilty keeping them on, that's one of the reasons why he made sure they got paid.

@BenJalil

7 ай бұрын

@@dejesusb8598 you're backing Robbie Rotten?

@trajancanada

4 ай бұрын

Leno took a 50% pay cut so that none of his staff would have to be laid off. So both were very loyal to their crew.

@baron17

4 ай бұрын

Jay leno is the same.

@paradise_valley

12 күн бұрын

For sure, everyone except his associate producer Jordan Schlansky.

I like that Jimmy has always had Conan’s back

@juancpgo

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen Kimmel shirtless, but that's an interesting and quite peculiar trivia, thanks

@deadstar1641

Жыл бұрын

@@juancpgo What? Have you seen Bill Maher topless?

@DOLsenior

Жыл бұрын

@@juancpgo 😅

@Alblairta

Жыл бұрын

Jimmy crushed Leno when he had him on his show via satellite... just embarrassed him.. “Leave our show’s alone, Jay!”

@winthorpetrois

Жыл бұрын

Mainly, Jimmy's a Dave supporter.

Bill so stoned he can't follow what Jimmy is telling him.

@michaeleaster1815

Жыл бұрын

100%

@dickbiggerjr3613

Жыл бұрын

There's also the story of Jay hiding in closets during executive meetings way back when him and David letterman had there issues going. He's always been a sneaky weasel.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@dickbiggerjr3613 Jay turned down a major offer from *CBS* in exchange for "The Tonight Show," and then *NBC* offered the show to Dave when he threatened to leave. If Jay wanted to know what they were deciding about the next 20 years of his life then I don't see any reason to feel sorry for sneaky execs playing games with both guys' careers.

@tylercampbell6272

Жыл бұрын

100%. It's funny seeing so many on here have no clue when someone is just plain ol' faded.

@lizherbst7393

Жыл бұрын

Bill is sooo annoying when he’s not stoned. This is painful!!😵‍💫

For a guy who appears to have all the answers Bill seems genuinely surprised at many things here 😂

This goes deeper than that. I was working for a local station back then. Conan Tonight show ratings were off the chart all summer until Jay Leno started the 10 o'clock. Issue was that now majority of people watched Jay Leno at 10 and shut their TVs off. The ratings for the 11 o'clock news were nearly cut in half for us.

@gallery7596

6 ай бұрын

Which station? Because nationally, Conan's "Tonight Show" started falling behind Letterman's show by the end of their first week in competition.

@karinalumen9722

6 ай бұрын

@@gallery7596not true. They even have public stated it. Rating drop with jay. He “ knew a lot about ratings.” a.k.a. he knew the logistics of how to make something work, and how to make something not work, which is why he made it not work by taking the news afterwards to have them be mad enough to take Conan off the air.

@gallery7596

6 ай бұрын

@@karinalumen9722 RE: "Rating drop with jay." I would suggest reading Bill Carter's excellent book "The War For Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane." Conan was failing before Jay's 10pm show premiered. RE: "[Jay] knew a lot about ratings.” Nobody in show business knows which shows will succeed, and which ones will flop. It's ALL a gamble. RE: "...he made it not work by taking the news afterwards to have them be mad enough to take Conan off the air. *NBC* created the 10pm show. Not Jay. And intentionally hosting a big flop could've ended Jay's chance of ever hosting another network show. It just makes no sense. Jay and Conan both made mistakes, but *NBC* thinking they could hold onto both guys is where the fault lies.

@scotthockenberry3085

2 ай бұрын

No they were not. The show sucked when he was on it.

Out of all the late night shows Conan was always my favorite. He was definitely the funniest out of all the late night shows.

@Bingo_the_Pug

Жыл бұрын

The reason why almost everyone loves the first 5 seasons of The Simpsons is because Conan was one of the lead writers

@PeePeeMilk

Жыл бұрын

@@Bingo_the_Pug I literally didn’t know that

@nickgreen2905

Жыл бұрын

@@Bingo_the_Pug He only wrote like a few episodes. He gets way too much credit for his 2 seasons as a writer on that show.

@elvisjimpa100

Жыл бұрын

I think conan is overrated.Leno and Letterman in the other hand have always been funny and entertaining.

@lizherenow1

Жыл бұрын

Are they high, they both sound high to me 🤷🏼‍♀️ 🤣

Gee, Bill, imagine that you might not have the whole story for maybe a millisecond.

@safebans1369

Жыл бұрын

A totally insufferable man is Maher

@milken91

Жыл бұрын

I really don't like him, I just watch this for the guests. Bill is someone I otherwise actively stay away from.

@SoleEpiphany

Жыл бұрын

Too egotistical for that 🤣

@craigjgomez

Жыл бұрын

Look, this story has been spun so many different ways that only Jay and Conan know what happened and both of them have survived and came out of the battle with a bundle of money and isn't that all that really matters. Frankly, the current host of The Tonight Show is rated last of the three, Colbert, Kimmel then Fallon so, it's turned out that the NBC Executives still can't figure out who to put on a late night show that hasn't dominated since Carson left in 1992.

@shazzasees

Жыл бұрын

​@@safebans1369 And that cigarette is pretty gross. Just sayin'😬

Jimmy taking conans side here makes me respect him more

To me the bottom line is the tv execs manipulated the situation from every conceivable angle, and it was inevitable that feelings would get hurt, and the the comedians in question would be pitted against each other and put in situations where they had little choice but to look out for themselves at the expense of the others. The whole thing is sad, as they all seem like good people to me.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

*NBC* just seemed incapable of understanding you can't keep two people who want the same thing. But they tried (again), and it was a disaster.

@0ntimetaiment921

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. No idea why the hosts all blame each other for a decision that way made on a corporate level. Then again, some of them seem rather thin skinned. I mean Jimmy being so hurt just because he never got a call back sounds like soap opera level relationships to me.

@johnsjohnson448

7 ай бұрын

Just like in every day jobs. People get "screwed." Only the do not get to walk away with millions to salve the wounds.

@johnsjohnson448

7 ай бұрын

Capitalism. LOL. Often times, these "types" never know that they are either being hired or fired until it lands in the "trades."

@kangaroofoot

4 ай бұрын

@@0ntimetaiment921Jimmy wasn’t hurt that Jay stopped calling, he said it to point out Jay’s hypocrisy. You thinking it was about Jimmy getting hurt says something about the way you see things. lol

The other issue that no one talks about is that in those intervening 5 years, Conan gradually altered the format of his show in order to retain as many Leno viewers as possible once he took over. Less dark/absurd sketches and less playing with the format, more packaged joke delivery systems (Celebrity Survey, etc). When Leno stayed on the air, that all became for nothing; it just made the Tonight Show less appealing to people who loved his 90s 12:30 show.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: "Conan gradually altered the format of his show in order to retain as many Leno viewers as possible once he took over." It didn't seem to work for him at 12:35am either because while Jay's "Tonight Show" was still #1, "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" was losing viewers to Craig Ferguson.

@thethomasj1795

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Ferguson blew Conan's doors off. That show was great!

@SwimInMystery

Жыл бұрын

None of that is true. Conan went out of his way to let every know he wasn't going to change. Any "altered format" was the natural evolution of the show.

@forGODtv

Жыл бұрын

Finally a comment that makes sense, actually Conan was never good on this type of shows ,scripted shows, Conan is funny when he is unleashed, when he has no censorship, but in this woke erra you dont make BIG MONEY from speaking freely. Conan tanked on TBS... i mean how can you lose your show on TBS ! Beacause he never made great ratings.

@keithgreenan7300

Жыл бұрын

@@forGODtv Conan was great at doing remotes

The look on Maher's face when someone tells him that he doesn't know everything is priceless. Kimmel's revelation here is like Kristal Ball reminding him that COVID caused the banks to crash briefly.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

LOOL what? Kimmel had his bias laid out for all to see. Bill asked him legit questions and he dodged them to make baseless claims. Billl absolutely exposed him for the clown he is.

@NA-bn9er

Жыл бұрын

She was immediately speaking to this Bill Maher, who just lights up on air, not the suit and tie Maher.

@briano9397

Жыл бұрын

First of all Krystal Ball* and literally no recession happened. The market dipped but the Saudis saved us that's why gas was so cheap. Krystal was wrong and now subsequently you are as well

@tn3294

Жыл бұрын

@@briano9397 yee Krystal is dim and opportunistic

@NA-bn9er

Жыл бұрын

@@briano9397 gas was not the problem in the beginning of the pandemic. The markets' reaction to the severity of the pandemic was the problem which caused a brief recession. You have no idea what you're talking about. The government literally had to give out stimulus checks bcs the economy for the most part was shut down briefly. That's a form of economic recession.

This is why doing interviews stoned isn’t always for the best

I'd say that Jay has done even better after he left the show.

its interesting hearing jimmy speak causally and honestly rather than joking mixed with seriousness which his show has.

@woodycoat

Жыл бұрын

Kimmel is awful

@josephpeeler5434

Жыл бұрын

Kimmel's show has become establishment propaganda. It isn't comedy. Same for Colbert.

@slipjones2

Жыл бұрын

@@josephpeeler5434 so was Carson. You insult a politician and you are now their devoted blind followers enemy. 4000 court judgements? Are you kidding me. Your candidates a crook, people will make fun. Sorry that’s why dictators don’t allow free TV. And that’s why you don’t like the shows. But hey maybe your dictator can end the US next election.

@josephpeeler5434

Жыл бұрын

@@slipjones2 It looks like the late night shows parrot the establishment line. They give the Democrats a pass. They are propagandists for one party. That isn't comedy.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

LOl Honestly? He literally doged two legit questions to make a baseless claim about Jay. Kimmel got completely exposed for the weasel he is here.

"oh he did stay 5 years?" how is bill talking so much about something he clearly knows nothing about

@mr.green2341

Жыл бұрын

Cuz he doesn’t want to believe that Jay would do something shady or underhanded, apparently.

@hotrodandrube9119

Жыл бұрын

Because that's his m.o.

I think the point that a lot of people miss with this Late Night drama is that these hosts were just pawns for these networks. Networks are really only concerned with ratings and profit, as they should be. But these hosts in this late night shuffle seemed to think it was personal.

@2004cyrus

10 ай бұрын

You are right the hosts don’t own their time slots. But when you work somewhere for 20+ years it does start to feel personal when one become King of Late Night

What's sad is it never mattered in the end. Talk shows are on their way out.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

That's kinda true. Anyone can do a podcast and watch it whenever or check out a show's highlights a couple hours after it airs. Was coming on precisely at 11:35pm really so important?

This show would be better if Maher wasn't high. He asks questions that have been answered repeatedly.

@crd6473

Жыл бұрын

…and seems totally incapable of integrating new information that challenges his superficial though self assured analysis. Several times kimmel explains where Maher has it wrong just based on lack of understanding of the facts…each time Maher is like “wait what?…er…but anyway back to my tired sound bite. …”

@jakeblake7398

Жыл бұрын

Right! So annoying

@HealthHorror

Жыл бұрын

He's trying to be Joe Rogan 😛

@Alblairta

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s a zombie here.. some people can stay on point when stoned, but it doesn’t seem like he’s one of those people.

@lipby

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he's going for full-on professionalism here. He has one high pressure job and just wants to do something looser.

bahahaha, dude kimmels voice drops a whole octave when he's ripped

@roberts1572

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@evolutionstationmusic2559

Жыл бұрын

He got Covid twice , might be that

@crystinamarie1

Жыл бұрын

😂 I was thinking that too.

@endthehate

Жыл бұрын

weed will do that to many vocal chords

@Ezekial2517

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ you’re right. I thought it was Buffalo Bill at first haha

I like hearing Jimmy talking straight, instead of hearing him talk in character.

When Jimmy did his Top 10 with Leno right after it happened was one of the best grillings ever.

Jay Leno doomed himself when he announced, on his show, that he would be passing the Tonight Show to Conan 4 years later. If he never had any intention of leaving, Jay shouldn't have made the announcement at all. I think that's the root of the issue. How good is Jay Leno's word? It's not about just helping advance Conans career at all.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: "If he never had any intention of leaving, Jay shouldn't have made the announcement at all." In 2004 Conan signed a deal with *NBC* that would be deciding Jay's retirement date for him. Jay had no power to overturn this decision, but *NBC* appealed to him not to publicly complain about it (Letterman style) so as to avoid embarrassment for all concerned- including Conan. Jay was gonna have to go no matter what, so he graciously chose to conceal his hurt and wished Conan well. How could he know in 5 years time *NBC* would start begging him to stay? Being a good sport did bite Jay in the butt. And this when Conan could've respectfully consulted Jay (so the news of his deal wouldn't have been such a shock), and maybe he even would've gotten Jay's blessing. But instead, Conan just let the network inform Jay (who had helped Conan during his late night career) that he would be out at the end of his contract. And still people insist Jay's the bad guy. That always amazes me.

@scottmattern482

Жыл бұрын

Its a business, not personal. Jay did what he was hired to do. Blame NBC, if you fee like there is a villan - even then it is a corporation trying to make money.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yes, as Oprah Winfrey said at the time "I feel like those who are angry at Jay don't understand how television works."

@lourencooliva7429

Жыл бұрын

It was 5 years, not 4, and he was forced to. And my sensibilities are much more team Coco.

@trapez77

Жыл бұрын

He’s allowed to change his mind. It’s not like him and Conan were close friends

You can really tell the difference between Maher and Jimmy's characters when Maher shows himself to be totally incapable of understanding Jimmy's perspective that maybe a decent person would opt not to give the shaft to their colleague for the sake of getting a couple more years on the air. Giving weight to someone else's interests in that way just seems like a totally foreign concept to Maher, whereas it seems like second nature to Jimmy.

@GGoAwayy

Жыл бұрын

It is kind of weird. Maher is showing an attitude here that is generally used by the right to justify a lot of things that Maher himself is against. Maher went all Ayn Rand for a moment and decided that people should always act selfishly without considering the impact on others. Maher brain fart maybe?

@wintercomesearly

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Something called character. Jimmy's got it in spades. He'd make a great friend. I wonder how many real friends Bill has.

@tien90802

Жыл бұрын

"maybe a decent person would opt not to give the shaft to their colleague for the sake of getting a couple more years on the air." Didn't Conan give Leno the shaft first by trying to force him out of the Tonight Show?

@samuelthomson9765

Жыл бұрын

Self righteous is more like it lol

@edsnotgod

Жыл бұрын

we need to seize Mahers bank accounts and check to see if he isn't giving money to Trump or the Russians

How is it that Bill Maher does not know this stuff? It's on the internet and everyone knows what Jay did to Conan.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Conan did some stuff to Jay, too. However, Bill's problem here seems to be that he's just stoned.

@johnsjohnson448

7 ай бұрын

@@gallery7596I know, right? LOL. Perhaps Bill was not in the game like Jay and Dave were. His show moved from Comedy Central to ABC until they fired him in 2002 where months later, Jimmy Kimmel replaced him. So, I wonder about Bill's playing dumb, or stoned. LOL.

@gallery7596

5 ай бұрын

@@johnsjohnson448 I say stoned. When this was actually happening in the news around 2009-2020, the best, most quotable observations came from Bill Maher. Example: *"When Leonardo Dicaprio gets a script does he go 'I'd really like to do this, but Jake Gyllenhaal had his heart set on it. Would I be ruining his dream?"* Bill kinda let Jay (and himself) down by coming to the conversation high.

@johnsjohnson448

5 ай бұрын

@@gallery7596 Bill seems to act dumb (or stoned) because he was in the thick of it. His show moved from Comedy Central to ABC where it aired against the final half hour of Dave's and Jay's programs. Jimmy replaced Bill's show on ABC.

@gallery7596

5 ай бұрын

@@johnsjohnson448 Well, maybe. But it was a lot of years after "Politically Incorrect" was cancelled that "The Tonight Show" debacle occurred.

Bill not understanding dignity, honor, professionalism, and respect is very on character for him. I wouldn’t expect anything less of him.

After this, I have to go back and watch Dave responding to Jay’s “Don’t blame Conan”.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

We could blame Conan. His decisions lead to a lot of the havoc that occurred during that time.

@WillComicstudio

Жыл бұрын

I am not blaming Conan, or Lonnie Donnegan!

Bill Maher is the poster boy of "what would a heel say?"

Jimmy isn’t willing to just agree with everything bill says which is weird to see

Warren Littlefield and John Agolia did the same with Jay in regards to Johnny Carson. At the time, Jay was the hottest comic in town and he was already guest hosting The Tonight Show at the point so NBC gave him the show scheduled for whenever Johnny stepped down. As Warren Littlefield famously said: "we gotta make sure the future is secured"

I'll never forget Conan's Tonight Show set. Classiest set in late night. When your lead-in is the old show, how do you expect the new show to get any traction, like anything new, the first 2 years is figuring it out. Look at Colbert's Late Show, year 1-2 were very different from year 3+, he wasn't political because he was trying to distance himself from his old Report show. Now, he's mostly political. Even when they first announced Conan was getting the TS 5 years early, even as a teenager I said, that's a weird guarantee.

Leno dropped hints about a possible move to ABC. I used to watch him all the time. I think around '08 I remember him mentioning it in his monologue. One day a 5 pointer hit the LA area and that night Leno joked he went over to the ABC studios to seek shelter. It was a subtle hint to address the speculation at the time.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's confirmed in "The War For Late Night" that Jay was in talks with *ABC* (and Jimmy) to come over there to host a new 11:35pm show. It was only when *NBC* offered him the prime time spot (and 2 years guaranteed employment for his staff) that Jay decided to turn down the *ABC* offer.

I love jay leno

Conan was always the most talented. It's not disputable.

Seems that NBC should've followed what they did in the 90s and had Jay slowly take more nights off and had guest hosts and then slowly build the selected guest host up with more air time

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but the thing is Johnny, who was 67, only doing 3 shows a week, and taking frequent vacations, had been going on auto pilot for some time. Whereas Jay was still bringing in the ratings, attracting all ages, and clearly nowhere near the point yet where he should be stepping down. That forced retirement was a major miscalculation on the part of *NBC.*

@cherbutler85

Жыл бұрын

Jay never had a guest host. Jay only wanted people to look at him. Nobody else mattered (in his mind), not even his guests. I could not stand a Jay. If a guest said something funny. Jay constantly and immediately tried to top them with a “funnier” joke. His jokes were always lame to me. Mr. Obvious, if you me. (Conan is the real genius.) Jay is a major douche bag, too. Trust me. In the middle of his Tonight Show run he stopped in to my little rinky-dinky town during a city wide car show. He was treated like a God. Everybody appeared gracious and friendly. I didn’t see him but a relative of mine did. He said Jay was extremely kind as well. So of course, for the next episode of the Tonight show the whole town tuned in to hear if he would bring up his visit. Well,…that piece of shi( ) did. He made 3 consecutive jokes about how fat everyone was in this little town he “worked at” over the weekend. First of all, he didn’t work anywhere near here. Secondly, that scumbag kicked sand in the face of 100’s of people who treated him like a God. Scumbag, from head to toe.

Maher is really missing the beat to this whole story. It isn't about Leno looking out for Conan but he should have asked to be let out of his contract and find another channel to compete on. It was that simple. Leno knew that all he had to do was make the situation as untenable for Conan as possible and NBC would run back to him. My favorite bit was when Letterman responded by saying "Nobody is blaming Conan!" Check that video out. It still makes me laugh to this day because the simple matter was Leno could not let go and he had to f*ck it up for Conan.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: "It isn't about Leno looking out for Conan but he should have asked to be let out of his contract and find another channel to compete on." But why didn't Conan do that in 2004 when his contract was coming up for renewal? He (like Jay) could've gone to *ABC,* or he could've gone to *FOX* where they were offering him way more money than *NBC* was. But, instead, he chose to take the *NBC* offer that was deciding Jay's retirement date for him, and he was going to have to wait 5 years to get "The Tonight Show." If Conan had accepted one of those other major offers, he would've had his earlier start time, nobody would've had to lose their job to accommodate him, and the entire debacle would've been averted.

@williamcoate9491

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Conan didn't leave because Leno publicly supported this agreement. He told Conan he accepted this agreement and even announced it on his show. Conan and Leno had options. The problem was that NBC promised too much. They didn't want to lose either. But if Leno felt that he was being screwed he had more leverage than Conan. In the end he made the situation worse with every step. Not leaving. BAD. 10 PM slot BAD. Bad ratings for both shows. Leno played the long game and won. He got what he wanted and basically shafted Conan.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@williamcoate9491 RE: "[Jay] told Conan he accepted this agreement and even announced it on his show." Conan's deal was made *before* Jay knew a thing about it. Jeff Zucker simply told Jay that he would be let go at the end of his contract. Also, Zucker asked Jay not to make a Letterman-style stink about it, so Jay graciously accepted what he could not change. What would've been the point (at the time) of telling the world that this was breaking his heart? He still would've had to go, and now Conan would've looked to Jay's audience like a pushy interloper. Jay behaved like a gentleman, and Conan's maneuver to obtain that show was, at best, questionable. Had he sought Jay's blessing before signing on the dotted line, it might've made a huge difference in avoiding all the misunderstandings and rancour that followed. But, he didn't. RE: "Conan and Leno had options. The problem was that NBC promised too much." Yes, that's true. They wanted to keep two guys who basically wanted the same thing. It didn't work when it was Jay and Letterman, but for some reason Conan thought it could work this time. *NBC* has a habit of mistreating it's on-air talent. Conan shouldn't have assumed he would be treated any better. But, he did, and we saw what happened. He should've gone to *ABC* or *FOX* when he had the chance.

@anthonybiamonte472

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 NBC is the real bad guy in this. They played Leno and Conan. Interestingly enough, NBC paid Conan $45 million to go away. What a mess!

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonybiamonte472 Yes, *NBC* president of programming Jeff Zucker was the architect of "The Tonight Show" debacle.

Genuine Kimmel hits way harder than TV Kimmel.

I still say, it was up to the executives.

Thanks Jimmy for spilling the tea! Business can be complicated!

@robvangessel3766

Жыл бұрын

If I heard right, Jay was representing himself. He had no agent. This at least explains his aggressiveness in the business. Anyone in that position has to be tough to survive.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@robvangessel3766 Jay didn't want another agent after he found out what Helen Kushnick had been up to in order to get him "The Tonight Show." Unfortunately, representing himself didn't save him from Jeff Zucker's ridiculous 5 year host-switcheroo scheme that proved to be so devastating for both Jay and Conan.

@robvangessel3766

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 This is why hate rhetoric from quarters like Howard Stern (at least back then) was over-the-top. I mean like Jay was total vermin.

When he said "Fallon surging" I shuddered a little bit.

God, Bill's shirt is so "i'm 83 years old and still hip!"

What I love is that first they were thinking of pushing Jimmy back for Conan, then planned on doing so for Jay, and after all the dust had settled, Jimmy ended up getting the 11:30 slot and doing respectable numbers with it. I also love that as someone who was involved in the whole fiasco in a behind-the-scenes capacity, he has very strong reasons for backing Conan in all of this.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Fallon stated he felt Conan and Jay were both mistreated.

@ErisRising

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Fallon was in a trickier position than Kimmel

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@ErisRising I thought you were referring to Fallon since Kimmel's position wasn't affected by what was happening at *NBC.*

@ErisRising

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Sorry, I realized after posting that using only the first name could be confusing, but I was caught up in other things, and forgot to go back and edit. To be clear, I was talking about Kimmel almost being pushed back for Conan when Conan was thinking of leaving if he didn't get the tonight show, then almost being pushed back for Leno when Leno left the tonight show the first time, and then Kimmel doing quite well at 11:30 once they moved him to that slot. Fallon was in an incredibly difficult place for a while, but he's managed to carve out his own niche on the show.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@ErisRising Yes, despite all the shots he takes on these message boards, to be into his 9th year as host of "The Tonight Show," Fallon must be doing something right.

Bill’s like the only person in show biz that stuck up for Leno throughout the whole back and forth with him and Conan. I’m sure the fact Leno was doing Real Time all throughout that was completely unrelated.

@gibberconfirm166

Жыл бұрын

I sympathized with Jay more after reading the Bill Carter latenight wars books, even if I never loved his show.

@mbaxter8

Жыл бұрын

There are some clips of Norm sticking up for Leno too. I'm a big Conan fan, never liked Leno, but also a huge Norm fan, so that shifted my perspective a bit

@bugeye8749

Жыл бұрын

Haha exactly.

@TonyVega123

Жыл бұрын

The nicest celebrity I ever met in my life was Jay Leno. I've met a few big stars, but Jay was by far the nicest. He talked to me for almost an hour. After that experience, I've always been a big supporter of his. I think he's super misunderstood

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: ''Bill’s like the only person in show biz that stuck up for Leno throughout the whole back and forth with him and Conan.'' No, there were a number of high-profile personalities during that mess who saw it Jay's way, too. Oprah, for one, and Howie Mandel told Stern right to his face that his allegations about Jay were way over the top. Check out Howie's recent podcast interview with Jay in which he lays out the whole affair (and much better than baked Bill does here) and why Jay wasn't treated fairly by the media, or by Conan.

Jaybird was once a Rolls Royce mechanic. Drove to the "Club" in repairs

That joint is greatly roled, it smokes consistent and goes out almost immediately.

Duh it took a while for it to suddenly dawn on me that Jimmy is who ABC replaced Bill with way back when they cancelled Politically Incorrect. I use to love that show, and I was always working late at home for my telecommute job and would make sure to set aside computer tasks that didn’t require intense concentration so I could turn on Bill and his guests and at least hear it in the background. I was so bummed out when ABC cancelled it. I guess it all worked out in the long run for Bill (who actually annoys me sometimes these days but that’s a different story).

I think Kimmel is looking at it from Conan's point of view and showing empathy towards him, while Maher, clueless and egotistical, is just lost in his own head and not really listening to Kimmel. lol

@tylerjhunter

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Maher didn't even know about this infamous 5 year agreement within NBC where it was made clear Leno would pass the baton onto Conan and then ride into the sunset. That was the whole idea. Leno deciding not to retire and essentially creating the Tonight Show 2.0 via a loophole totally ratfucked Conan and that's what everyone had a problem with. I remember Letterman condemning Leno at the time, saying, "Don't just hang around." Like, you agreed to leave, so leave.

@MrJimmy3459

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerjhunter Except the ratings dropped when Conan took over, most of you forget its a business

@tylerjhunter

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJimmy3459 Jimmy explains in this clip why that happened.

@spooley

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerjhunter Bill also conveniently leaves Helen Kushnick out saying Jay didn't have anyone repping him.

@bigstroke2069

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that what Bill usually does?

I once was a Kimmel fan. Something changed.

How stoned are you Bill?? 😂😂😂

Lol Bill made to look so dumb by Jimmy and Jimmy tried to not go into it but Bill screwed the story Jimmy had to correct him 🤣. "I don't remember" "no, no one knew about it but me" I'm flipping dead lol

Bill made a mistake doing this episode stoned, because when the "Tonight Show debacle" was in the news, he actually made some sharp observations about the whole affair. *(From Maher's appearance on Larry King's CNN show in 2010):* *Larry King:* 'What did you make of the whole Conan vs. Leno affair?" *Bill Maher:* "I actually made a lot of it. I wanna' start off by saying I like Conan a lot. I did his show when he came out to L.A.; I had nothing to plug, and there's no greater way you can show affection for somebody than to do their show when you don't have anything to promote. But I did it to say 'welcome to L.A. and I like you." Now, I did Jay's show about 10 days ago and I got all these tweets from Conan's fans. These are the people who are so upset that Conan didn't get 'The Tonight Show," and they're saying "why'd you do Jay Leno's show? He sucks! He's this! He's that!" These people need to get a grip. They have no idea how show business works, and it's not all that different from the way life in general works. And this business about Jay Leno being selfish-" *Larry King:* 'They say he shouldn't have taken 'The Tonight Show' after only 5 months." *Bill Maher:* "Why? I saw Oprah on her show ask Jay ten different ways 'are you sorry you ruined Conan's dream?' Why is it Jay Leno's job to be concerned with Conan O'Brien's dream? When Leonardo Dicraprio gets a script does he say 'I'd really like to do this, but Jake Gyllenhaal had his heart set on it. Would I be ruining his dream?' I think we've all been in the position where we were offered something that somebody else wanted. Hey, Bob in accounting wanted that job, so should I give it to him?" "Now, the one place I would criticize Conan- and Dave Letterman for that matter- are these comments 'you can do anything you want in this world, as long as Jay Leno doesn't want to do it, too.' You're not a kid who got his ice cream knocked to the ground by Jay Leno. He beat you for something. And by the way: it's a very desirable job. You wanna be on top of the mountain? There's gonna be some others who wanna be there, too."

@Rosstp94

Жыл бұрын

He's kinda wrong about the whole thing and keeps forgetting that Jay, on multiple occasions, acted like he was so happy to pass the torch to Conan and that he was done doing the Tonight Show. Only to come back less than a year later and (IMO) maliciously try to either force Conan out of the time slot or leave the network all-together. Its a prime example of a shitty Indian giver situation.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@Rosstp94 RE: "He's kinda wrong about the whole thing and keeps forgetting that Jay, on multiple occasions, acted like he was so happy to pass the torch to Conan and that he was done doing the Tonight Show." Yes, Jay did have to "act," but it wasn't his idea. You see, he never imagined that at the relatively young age of 54 (Carson was 65 when he stepped down) and still consistently #1 that *NBC* would decide to drop him because they felt keeping Conan was more important. Such ingratitude by not only the network, but, also Conan, whom Jay had supported during his fledging years as host of "Late Night." But, *NBC* appealed to Jay not to make a Letterman style fuss about it, so he graciously wished Conan well, and now this is what Conan's fans like to point to as Jay actually wanting to retire, and then changing his mind. Anyone who reads Bill Carter's excellent book *"The War Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane"* will see who was really responsible for that host switching scheme. Sure wasn't Jay. RE: "Only to come back less than a year later and (IMO) maliciously try to [make] leave the network all-together." That's what Conan's deal with *NBC* was going to do to Jay.

Kimmel's stunt on Jay's show makes a lot more sense, now. He knew the dynamics of the situation so well that it was almost personal for him.

@gallery7596

8 ай бұрын

Kimmel, I think, was influenced more by the open resentment of his comedy hero, Dave Letterman toward Jay. I don't think Dave, or Jimmy, ever got over *NBC* picking Jay to replace Carson.

This says so much about Bill. He speaks with confidence about things he doesn't know/understand, has no class as far as what is ethical behavior and immediately jumps to crass jokes (did he touch you) to deflect from a weak point. Jimmy Kimmel looks solid as a rock, here. There's a reason Bill Mahr will never escape his pseudo-intellectual "exhale sharply from the nose" level of comedy. A dark corner of HBO is perfect for him.

@gallery7596

6 ай бұрын

Jimmy's theories are questionable. His suggestion that Jay would agree to host a program he somehow knows will bomb (like any show's success or failure is guaranteed) seems kind of ridiculous because (1) such a move could only hurt Jay's own career and effectively end any chance he might have of working again in network television, and (2) why would *NBC* create a show that's so certain to flop when it's going to cost them millions in lost ad revenue? That would be financial suicide. Jimmy thinking this way is probably motivated by the fact that growing up Letterman was his comedy hero, and he hangs out a lot with Howard Stern.

jimmy looks soooo chill.

@jeffclement2468

Жыл бұрын

I think Jimmy's so ripped, he could safely view an eclipse 🤣

Bill always does this. If you are his BFF, you cant do anything wrong. He is like this with Leno, Vedder, Sean Penn, Hefner. He defends them like crazy, and will not accept any criticism, because your are wrong automatically and a crybaby according to him.

@davidmoser3535

Жыл бұрын

No one listens to Billo, he has always been a lightweight in my mind.

I love that Bill sticks up for Jay and Jimmy Conan. That whole thing was a mess, should have never gone down that way. Both are good guys.

@chrisdranfield3828

Жыл бұрын

Jay is clearly not a good guy. When so many of his peers dislike him him for being a backstabber. We’re talking lettermen , Conan , and kimmel all have issues with him.

@Debby901

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisdranfield3828 I still like him. Their personal issues are there's.

@gallery7596

11 ай бұрын

@@chrisdranfield3828 Lettermen's resentment over being *NBC's* second choice to replace Carson is legendary. He's also had feuds with other celebrities like Cher, Madonna, Bryant Gumbel, Sarah Palin, Shirley MacClaine, *OPRAH.* He is not the easiest guy to get along with. Conan (who acknowledged that Jay had supported him at *NBC)* made a deal with *NBC* that was basically deciding Jay's retirement date for him. But Conan thought it was wrong of Jay to accept an offer from *NBC* for the 10pm show. What kind of a double standard is that? Conan refused to be bumped to midnight when the ratings for both their shows were so bad, but he was fine with bumping George Lopez an hour later over at *TBS.* We know now Lopez had been asked by *TBS* to say he was okay with that move. Conan's pretty naive if he hadn't already suspected that was the case. Kimmel said Jay didn't call to tell him that their agreed upon deal for Jay to come to *ABC* was off. I think it would've been the polite thing for Jay to have informed him personally. But if that's the worst thing he ever did to Jimmy Kimmel, I don't think it ruined his life. Kimmel's thing is he was a Letterman admirer since adolescence, and I think he also never got over *NBC* deciding Jay was the better fit for "The Tonight Show" than his comedy hero.

@TonyVega123

9 ай бұрын

@@chrisdranfield3828 You could not be more wrong. One of the nicest guys in Hollywood is Jay. I've heard this from so many industry people it's almost ridiculous. The people who don't like him seem to dislike him for reasons that don't even make sense when you truly analyze them

@kangaroofoot

4 ай бұрын

@@Debby901It’s okay to like him, but he’s still a backstabbing POS.

Who tf stays up that late to watch all these late night shows? Thats the real question

This is painful to watch. It’s embarrassing how little Maher understands such a major story that played out in his own industry. Then he can’t or won’t get it when it’s explained to him.

@TonyVega123

Жыл бұрын

Maher does get it. It's Jimmy who doesn't get it. Leno had zero pull over there. They axed him when he was number 1!!! Imagine if that happened to you

@bugeye8749

Жыл бұрын

Exactly op 👌👏👏

@ryanhenning8939

Жыл бұрын

Did you not tell.that bill was feeling a bit buzzed

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

He's not too with it here, but back when this debacle was raging Bill presented an excellent defense of Jay's position one night on Larry King's show. I still remember the line *"why is it Jay Leno's job to be concerned with Conan's dream? When Leonardo DiCaprio gets a script does he go 'I'd really like to do this, but Jake Gyllenhaal had his heart set on it. Would I be ruining his dream?"* With regard to Conan he said *"you wanna be on top of the mountain? There's gonna be some others who want to be there, too."*

@codygoodman8794

Жыл бұрын

@@TonyVega123 how can you be number 1 and have no pull? Sounds like he was either too lazy to fight it or thought it was a good idea. He signed the agreement and then never left.

I think Conan was awesome in the late late show like Dave had been. His audience was was younger and stayed up later, the bits were edgier, acts were cooler/younger for that crowd. Your parents were the jay leno/Johnny Carson crowd, you were the Conan crowd. When conan moved into jays spot i had the feeling the older crowd just wasn’t gonna get him, that coupled with jays lead in being a bad idea, never really gave conan a chance at nbc. NBC didn’t want jay to go to a competitor where he most likely was gonna draw big numbers from his previous audience.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

And *NBC* didn't want Conan to go to a competitor either, which is what prompted them to offer Conan "The Tonight Show" if he'd wait 5 years for it. Just a terrible idea all the way around.

@thisshouldbeentertaining3386

Жыл бұрын

Yep several reasons why Conan's tonight show failed. 1 everyone knew jay wasn't happy with being replaced. So the audience that had been watching jay for 15+ year's wasn't fully supporting Conan , #2 NBC gave Leno 3+ year's to gain his audience back in the early 90's. But only gave Conan a year and half. #3 NBC wouldn't let Conan use most of his longtime bit's like pooping robot , Mr MET , Masturbating bear for they deemed it too edgey for the tonight show.

Conan is the best!❤

It's kinda ironic. NBC has all the late night talent back then (Leno, Letterman, Conan), and in an attempt not to lose them made the worse possible decisions. - "We don't want to lose Letterman's late night ratings, so we'll replace Carson with Leno" - ends up losing Letterman and a chunk of the audience - "We don't want to lose Leno to ABC, so we'll offer him the 10pm gig", which ends up tanking Conan and they lose Conan.

So clearly and decisively explained by Jimmy here. Conan was never given a fair shot after waiting five years. Leno should have walked.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Conan should've walked instead of taking the *NBC* offer. He saw how the network screwed both Dave and Jay in the past. Why did he think they couldn't do the same thing to him?

@ladiorange

Жыл бұрын

Both idea are problematic. In five years, what happens if jay is pulling in numbers or doesn't want to leave? Also I watches Conan most nights back then. He announced multiple time in five years he was getting the spot... Not sure how bill missed that....

@JerrySaraviaCinema1895

Жыл бұрын

If Leno left, he would've gotten 150 million

@penknight8532

Жыл бұрын

So what... Conan got like 60 Million for breech of contract and got paid again from TBS. WIN WIN

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@ladiorange RE: "In five years, what happens if jay is pulling in numbers or doesn't want to leave?" The host switcheroo scheme was forced on Jay by a deal Conan signed with the network. In 2004, *NBC* decided that like it or not (and he did NOT like it) Jay would be leaving in 2009 so they could keep Conan. They just never imagined that 5 years later Jay would still be #1 while Conan was losing ground to Ferguson at 12:35am.

Two bad business decisions were made. 1. Conan should have left for ABC and took that 11:30 slot and let go of "The Tonight Show" dream. And 2. Jay should have went to ABC and took that 11:30 slot and never have re-took the "The Tonight Show." They were both *clinging* onto "The Tonight Show" which led to the demise of both Jay and Conan. Jay wasn't "diabolical." NBC was. NBC strung along Conan for years and fired Jay twice, effectively destroying both talents so that even if they moved to another network, they would no longer be a threat in ratings to "The Tonight Show."

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

RE: "Conan should have left for ABC and took that 11:30 slot and let go of "The Tonight Show" dream." Yes, or taken the offer from *FOX* where they wanted to pay him way more than *NBC* was offering to wait all those years for "The Tonight Show." RE: "Jay should have went to ABC and took that 11:30 slot..." Yes. Although Conan would likely have been crushed between the competition of both Dave and Jay...yes, Jay would've been better off going to *ABC* to be, ironically, Jimmy Kimmel's lead-in. RE: "NBC strung along Conan for years and fired Jay twice, effectively destroying both talents..." Yes, and they strung Dave along, too by telling him he had the inside track on becoming Carson's successor- not realizing they were telling Jay the same thing. The worst decision Jay Leno ever made was turning down the *CBS* offer for *NBC"s* guarantee he would get Johnny's seat. Dave made the best decision passing on *NBC's* last ditch "Tonight Show" offer and going to *CBS.*

@mr.green2341

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I guess I can see your points here and maybe not blame Jay so much as NBC.

@kathleenrasing6818

Жыл бұрын

Looking back, yeah sure they should/could have, but... thank God they didn't right? Conan eventually moving to TBS was the best thing ever - lots of great remotes were made that wouldn't otherwise be "allowed" at the Tonight Show and his travel series & now his top rated podcast...he even said that it was the best thing that happened to his career. He didn't got his dream but at least really tried. It didn't worked out but there wasn't any regret on his part. I'm not sure with Jay tho 😅

@tothorsi

Жыл бұрын

@@kathleenrasing6818 Agree. Conan has been thriving.

Amazing how keeping your word is inconceivable to Maher.

In retrospect Conan should've just taken the 11:30e/10:30c timeslot on ABC.

@gallery7596

22 күн бұрын

Or the 2016 offer from *FOX.*

I love it, the more stoned Bill gets and has no writers around to bolster his "intellect", he really knows nothing. Even about the industry he is a part of. It's fucking mind blowing how no one else points this out.

Poor Jimmy, you can tell he didn’t really want to talk about this and now it shows up on youtube as the main clip for this great podcast. It’s nice seeing him be normal and stoned, not goofy and sober like on his so so show.

@Simon-talks

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's good when he's real like this and not spreading fake, NWO big corporate hollyweird woke libtard propaganda like he does on his terrible show.

@MisterMooster

Жыл бұрын

For me I like Jimmy Kimmel the best of anyone on late night, I just think his humor is more creative and varied, but it's good to see this side of him.

@conorkennedy3304

Жыл бұрын

I love Jimmy Kimmel and it's funny as hell to see him stoned. I think his voice went down an octive. Great show, Great guest.

@MisterMooster

Жыл бұрын

@@conorkennedy3304 He seemed way more mature here than he ever does on his show. I think he could act more matuire o0n his show and still be funny- I think it would actually help his shows. He also seemed a lot smarter here than he generally does on his show, where he often seems somewhat awkward, and he seemed way more together here.

@euphoricmonk

Жыл бұрын

@@MisterMooster Agreed. If he acted this way calm and relaxed I would watch his show. Now, he's a MSM buffoon.

I am shocked that Billy cannot comprehend having Jay Leno on at 10:00 PM was a bad idea and negatively affected Conan hosting the tonight show.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

It turned out to be a bad idea, but they didn't know going in that it would have that effect- or why would the network have come up with it in the first place? That's Monday morning quarterbacking.

@arcnevada545

Жыл бұрын

@@gallery7596 Monday morning quarterbacking? WTF dude? My comment was that Billy still does not realize that it affected the the tonight show in a negative way while Conan hosted it.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@arcnevada545 Sure it was bad for Conan, but in this video Kimmel makes it sound like that was Jay's intention- which is a ludicrous theory. Who would want to be humiliated by such a huge failure that had your name attached to it? Jay might not never again have been hired to do another network project because of that bomb. Anybody reading "The War For Late Night" can see for themselves that the 10pm show's chance for success was impeded by *NBC's* interference.

We see unbridled greed from Bill! 🤬🤬

JK’s mind was poisoned on Leno by Howard Stern….

I can’t believe how Clueless Maher is about his own business!

@tookeetalaska1387

Жыл бұрын

Yeahh because everyone knows everything about everyone... 🤔

@DavidLLambertmobile

Жыл бұрын

Show Biz is very complex, twisted. The problem few understand tv, film, video, music is all $$$, egos, contracts, schedules, relationships. You may think you just contact a star or actor. You need to deal with agents, managers, lawyers, accountants, ...

@raqui174

Жыл бұрын

He isn’t a tonight show host

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

@@djalpacalypse3841 RE: "it's because he's friends with Leno so he probably only heard Leno cry about it fir years and giving his side of the story." Bill Maher when "The Tonight Show" debacle was happening: *"There's no greater way you can show affection for a man than to do his show when you have nothing to promote. But I did Conan's show just to say 'welcome to LA, and I like you.'"* Maher actually had a lot of really intelligent (and funny) observations about that contentious mess when he did "Larry King Live." The problem here is . . . he's baked. It's like watching a totally different person. The guy should never again do a show while stoned.

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

Жыл бұрын

@@djalpacalypse3841 exactly. I knew Maher would stick up for Leno. Who was INSANELY RICH at the time.

I’m conflicted. A part of me agrees with Bill. Why is Jay Leno getting the bad rap for this? Why not the NBC executives for putting both of these guys in this predicament?

Jimmy was a great soldier at ABC and glad to see his getting his props! He is the face of ABC!

Bill was Leno's biggest defender at that time and shredded both Conan and Kimmel over their immaturity. Over time, he's forgotten the facts and he's high. On Real Time, it would have been interesting.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Maher kinda let Jay down here doing the show stoned.

I remember being so happy when I heard that Leno was going away. Then he stayed.

All those late-night feuds….Carson vs Leno, Letterman vs Leno, Conan vs Leno, Kimmel vs Leno….hmmm, what’s the common denominator? Stern hates Leno, too. Interesting story from Jimmy - Leno wanted to be buddies until he didn’t need Jimmy anymore - what a shock. In life you usually get the reputation you deserve.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the other common denominator is *NBC.* They were infamous for trying to have their cake and eat it, too, telling Jay & Dave that they both had the inside track on becoming Carson's successor. In the end, they chose Jay because he was getting offers from other networks, and they just didn't get along with Dave. With Conan, *NBC* offered him "The Tonight Show" because he, too was getting offers from other networks. Bur he didn't learn from Jay's experience with them that prompted him to say *"NBC stands for Never Believe your Contract."* As for Kimmel, Dave was his boyhood comedy hero, and Stern's a personal friend of Dave's, too. But he's flipped flopped over the years on the subject of Jay Leno, so his venom kinda looks like it's just part of his act. Even Jay says he enjoys listening to Stern go off on him.

Not a huge surprise that Bill Maher likes Jay Leno. He's basically Jay Leno with hemorrhoids.

NBC Hedged Their Bet by keeping Jay on the Air with a Prime Time Talk Show.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they tried to keep both guys (just like they did when Jay and Dave were competing for "The Tonight Show") and all the network did was prove twice that you can't hold onto two people who want the same thing.

Bill assume too much and when he is wrong he comes off petty.

@bugeye8749

Жыл бұрын

THIS

@alexplorer

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I caught that too. Maher didn't even have his facts straight that even outsiders knew (2:52 "Oh, so he [Conan] did stay five years?"), then downshifts to cheap ad hominem attacks when the facts start mounting (4:15 "...Did he touch you, Jimmy?"). Kimmel is a star witness in the case against Leno. I always liked Kimmel's show, but I really enjoyed seeing how much integrity he has demonstrated even when it didn't benefit him. He stood up for Conan and called out Leno for being a back-stabbing fraud.

@tairacapeta717

Жыл бұрын

@@alexplorer Kimmel has the best perspective of it all since he observe whats going on while its going on. the fact Kimmel gave his opinion. Then you know how shitty the whole mess is.

@ellecampbell3271

Жыл бұрын

Smarmy!

@JK-nq1dl

Жыл бұрын

@@alexplorer How did Leno backstab the man who have an ultimatum that Leno be fired or he’d leave?! You people are ridiculous

You have to admire Bill's interview tactic of making his guests look smarter by being completely inept in comparison

To be honest considering that Leno was going to step out of late night in 2014 he could have just moved to ABC and pushed Kimmel back to 12.30 for 5 years and in 2014 Kimmel takes the 11.30 slot. Conan keeps the Tonight Show. Kimmel ascends to 11.30 in 2014. Lopez keeps the 11.30 slot in TBS. Carson Daly gets the 12.30 slot on ABC. And it all would have been good. Colbert gets Late Night. Seth gets Late Late Show show after Craig leaves. It would have whole. But instead we have a huge mess cause Jay wanted the Tonight Show and Tonight Show only

@gallery7596

8 ай бұрын

RE: "...considering that Leno was going to step out of late night in 2014" Jay was actually being forcibly retired as a result of Conan's deal with *NBC.* RE: "...we have a huge mess cause Jay wanted the Tonight Show and Tonight Show only." If in 2004 Conan had rejected *NBC's* proposal to dump Jay by 2009, and instead just waited until his own contract ran out in January 2006, he could've had a show with an earlier start time at *ABC,* or at *FOX* (where they were offering him almost double what *NBC* wanted to pay him), Jay and his staff could've stayed at "The Tonight Show," nobody would've lost their job to make it happen, and the entire debacle would've been averted. But Conan just had to realize his childhood dream of hosting "The Tonight Show."

@kumar01234

8 ай бұрын

@gallery7596 Conan just wanted a Late Night show at the 11.30 slot after 11 years at Late Night at 12.30. I don't think it was specifically the Tonight Show. He was just offered the upgrade by ABC and Fox and NBC said hey we'll give you the 11.30 slot in 5 years. Jay can make it seem like Conan targeted the Tonight Show and tonight show only when it was just he was offered a promotion by different networks and NBC matched. When NBC offered the 5 year plan Conan stayed out of respect to his decade plus relationship with NBC.

@gallery7596

8 ай бұрын

@@kumar01234 RE: "Jay can make it seem like Conan targeted the Tonight Show only when it was just he was offered a promotion by different networks and NBC matched." But *NBC's* offer was a bad one. Conan didn't have to wait 5 years for a show at 11:35, and getting "The Tonight Show" was at the expense of Jay and his staff. And Jay had been nothing but supportive of Conan for years at *NBC.* RE: "...Conan stayed out of respect to his decade plus relationship with NBC." Conan had made it known through his agent that he wanted Jay's job. And in 2004 *NBC* felt they had to offer it to Conan or risk losing him to another network.

These two both have made their stances very clear.This could have been much more awkward then it was.......Bill Maher is fearless when it comes to the awkward conversations.

@tookeetalaska1387

Жыл бұрын

To me, that's not awkward?? He's based in reality, not feelings. This is Bills domain.

@jeffyou6340

Жыл бұрын

No he's not! He sold out a while back

@rolanddeschain6089

Жыл бұрын

These are just two people who have different opinions and still don't attack each other in the edgy "destroyed" youtube climate nowadays. It gets to the point where people get confused why they not fighting. People need to chill more.

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

Жыл бұрын

@@tookeetalaska1387 not based on feelings? Maher is good friends with Leno and obviously didn't know all the facts.

@stevenbrown6720

Жыл бұрын

Bills stoned domain

This was a cool interview

Bill Maher attempting to tell Jimmy Kimmell about the late night talk show happenings is… *chefs kiss*

Jay did have a manager. He had her do his dirty work and then threw her under the bus.

@gallery7596

Жыл бұрын

You're talking about Helen Kushnick, and there's no evidence Jay knew about the stories she had planted in the trades. Jay should've fired her when she came clean, but he assured her husband on his deathbed he'd look after her. However, when her psycho behavior as producer of "The Tonight Show" almost got Jay canned, he finally said enough is enough and fired her.

Dunno why because I barely watch TV, but I love these showbiz wheeler dealer politics conversations

@chadmelonite9999

Жыл бұрын

I watched Game of Thrones for the politics, not the dragons.