this is why i'll never get a gibson. oh, not because of this, because i can't afford one.

@rizqibayumantari6769

4 жыл бұрын

It's okay man..., expensive guitar is overrated... Better to spend some money for amps.

@jomesias

4 жыл бұрын

Get one from the cheap Jackson line instead 👌👌 better for the money and you get the legendary compound radius neck What music genres do you play?

@tomfrazofishal

4 жыл бұрын

@@jomesias prog metal is my main genre, ive wanted a les paul because adam jones plays one but he plays a gibson les paul, which i cannot afford. i know epiphone has good les pauls at an affordable price tho

@Shane-sf9pv

4 жыл бұрын

meme chef the epi prophecy series are pretty nice for metal, still expensive for the new ones though and really heavy. You’re paying more for the cosmetics. Honestly if you definitely want a les Paul and don’t care about the Gibson name, just get an epi standard and slap some Seymour Duncan invaders in it. I’m into newer stuff like Mastodon, Protest the Hero, etc and a little thrash metal and the invaders work great for that stuff. In my opinion there’s really no point in paying for active pickups like EMG unless you’re using a high quality tube amp.

@tomfrazofishal

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shane-sf9pv im currently using seymour duncan pickups on my other guitar and i like them so ill look into that. thanks for the advice!

Gibson designed it this way so that it splits clean in half when you smash it over the stage floor lol

@MatchBookNotes

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why pete Townshend switched to gibby, fenders proved too hard to break

@Ma_Hew

4 жыл бұрын

That's understandable, however the average guitar player/hobbyist/collector isn't going to do that to a guitar that they just bought for $600+. It's very unreasonable for someone to design it that way when the individual buying the guitar is only going to enjoy the instrument by playing and displaying it.

@justharry2190

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ma_Hew /woosh

@chriswatson8687

4 жыл бұрын

I laughed for real lol

@dusanvilimonovic5988

4 жыл бұрын

I hope it is not from the experience...

Gibson will probably say that the cracks are a deliberate feature for that authentic 50s tone and look

@TheRealFaceyNeck

3 жыл бұрын

Hah! That's one of the first thoughts I had as well. Collectors in the 22nd century will pay top dollar for models with the "signature Gibson finish cracks."

@Wynorrific

3 жыл бұрын

"Lightly relic'd"

@bmcgoo6027

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what they said about the gold top les paul I bought

@TheRealFaceyNeck

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmcgoo6027 Well damn. It's already started, bois.

@ntolman

2 жыл бұрын

Tone cracks

I went to buy a les paul years ago, left the shop with a telecaster. No regrets.

@Sticknub

3 жыл бұрын

Good choice!

@canadulce3697

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome haha😂

@martijnhansen9122

3 жыл бұрын

same

@mikepaulus4766

3 жыл бұрын

I bought a Gibson Les Paul that was previously owned by a band I like. It stayed in the case most of the time while I played my strat. In 2009 I sold it for half what I paid to a guy who hadn't heard of the band. Job losses suck.

@zerronyx1362

3 жыл бұрын

Better tone tbf, even coil split the les paul won't beat a tele in cleans

Gibson, Yesterday's guitar at Tomorrow's Prices

@jamesmaloney8191

4 жыл бұрын

Jonah you ain’t kidding lol

@ZaneDalton

4 жыл бұрын

😂 what a fine description.

@Maxim89Il

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with Gibson is that it's not "yesterday's guitar," it's a pathetic knock-off based on yesterday's marvellous guitar. If they continued making "yesterday's guitar," they'd still be an awesome company. People buy that guitar because they want "yesterday's guitar," they want what Pete Townshend and Noel Gallagher play (yes, I know he started with Epiphone), but they don't get that.

@brettdavis5555

4 жыл бұрын

Very true, but I don’t blame them. That’s what people will buy.

@mr.rjryno5274

3 жыл бұрын

I agree Gibson went through a rough patch with QC and are now rebuilding that craftsmanship they once had. My gibby LP is luckily a good one with no finish issues and almost didn't buy it because of the the 2k price tag. But yes it is definitely worth it and epi's are good, but are a world of difference.

I wanna see this guy get pissed he always seems happy.

@darrenshebell3563

5 жыл бұрын

If you understood Canadian you'd know he's Pissed...

@danmar007

5 жыл бұрын

I'd be happy too if I had his wall of guitars! :-)

@waltersmetak

5 жыл бұрын

For a Canuck, this is raging mad, almost psycho.....

@w13rdguy

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no one wants to see that. Could be dangerous, LoL.

@d.j.6694

5 жыл бұрын

His short upper lip makes it look like he's always smiling! 😂

Fender, American Telecaster (actually the Mexican Teles are awesome as well) play your gig, use it as a weapon in a bar fight, plug back in=still in tune.

@allan775

3 жыл бұрын

I was never a fender guy until I bought a mexican strat, now it's the only guitar I play.

@kankanmwah

3 жыл бұрын

A couple days ago i was jamming with my dad, when he went to plug in his Strat, the strap fell off and sent his guitar's headstock into the floor, it still was in one piece and in tune when he picked it back up XD

@stopcensoringmyfreespeech3280

3 жыл бұрын

Use it in a bar fight still in tune. LOL =)

@pelopsxalikias

3 жыл бұрын

keith richards has demonstrated this very well

@ericluchinski

3 жыл бұрын

True. I have a MIM Swirl and it's my main guitar

I used to own a second hand guitar shop. I had many Gibsons come thru in the few years I was open. I don't really remember seeing any Gibsons that didn't have one or the other of the problems you show in this video. I can tell you that whenever one walked thru the door first thing I would do is check to see if the headstock had ever come off and often times my offer was based on the quality of the repair that was done to re-attach it. It often amazes me that a company like Gibson has never addressed the inherent design flaws in their instruments and instead opted to spend more effort on lawsuits against other companies who have. I agree with you Darrell I'll never buy another Gibson either.

@Caged63Man

2 жыл бұрын

now that detachable Gibson headstock is probably already patented by Gibson as well!

@aldonabagusauskas4956

Жыл бұрын

Les Pauls are great for canoe paddles and because of their weight you can also use one as an anchor if needed!

Cut them some slack Darrell. They have only been making these kind of guitars since the 1950's and 60's. I'm sure they'll eventually get it right.

@LUCKYB.

5 жыл бұрын

@@alainbrisebois8334 You mean japadavidson dont you lol

@LUCKYB.

5 жыл бұрын

they havent yet .they just created a war on American Eccomony . and it all started with a 19 cent Bic Pen then the beach boys made a song about a Honda . toyota Datson these fks were like cats .. Give em a bowl of milk they wont leave now they own 70 % of America and the ecconomy ..

@franekpyzel6943

4 жыл бұрын

Matrix

@JohnSmith-yy2uj

4 жыл бұрын

@pėiņ TM yes

@randyhopkins1263

4 жыл бұрын

I have owned dozens of Gibsons and can say wood is a big factor.

For what Gibson charges, this is completely UNACCEPTABLE

@gregdiprinzio9280

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Comments condoning it are from people who can't admit they got ripped off.

@marineman2298

5 жыл бұрын

​@@gregdiprinzio9280, I edited this post because I sort of sounded like a jerk.

@gregdiprinzio9280

5 жыл бұрын

@@marineman2298 Besides that, Mrs. Lincoln---How was the show?

@marineman2298

5 жыл бұрын

@@gregdiprinzio9280, the saying is "Besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the PLAY?" You should have gone with "Besides that Mrs. Kennedy, did you enjoy the trip to Dallas?

@gregdiprinzio9280

5 жыл бұрын

@@marineman2298 I stand corrected. Probably best to buy a used Gibson then if you don't mind cosmetic flaws. For me, the whole point of new is the idea that the guitar can stay cosmetically pristine, or close to it, if I take care of it and don't mistreat it. If the paint must crack in a short period of time no matter how I treat it, there's either a quality control problem or a design flaw. If one of those two things exist, there's no justifying a high price, especially when the nut is plastic, the body swiss-cheesed and the fretboard lined with countertop material.

I'm a luthier and have already had SG's come into my repair shop where I was able to lightly pull the neck completely off the body. I know I'm no the only guy that's seen this happen. The neck pickup rout removes most of the neck pocket's glued surface area making some of the worst neck joints in history (even on pieces of American History like Gibson Guitars) - overall pioneers but lazy when it comes to simple design things like "How about rout the neck pocket away" idea. So dumb. As far as the hackjob nuts and fretwork, that's just laziness. Thanks for the video I just subscribed.

@Danielwills6325

2 жыл бұрын

Are you seeing it on any of their 2020 guitars?

@Klesh

2 жыл бұрын

@@Danielwills6325 I haven't worked on any SG's for about 4 years sorry I don't know the answer

@richardwitherow5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@Klesh Hey Klesh, as a luthier can you please tell me what you think of PRS guitars and do they have excellent tuning stability? Thanks!

@WisdomHouseCreative

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardwitherow5289 I'm def not a luthier, but I can say that I am very happy with the tuning stability of my PRS Custom SE guitars. Stoptail and trem bridge stay in tune for me nicely. I don't actually use the tremelo, so I can't say how much that affects the stability of that guitar...

@williamlough4803

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for saying that , it's true , found problems with Gibson's made in China as well , I won't ever buy a Gibson , great guitars made at one time , but Gibson's not the only ones I had a Ltd that did the same , what's the best guitar for 2000$ price range ,?

This happened to my V in the exact same place. Gibson told me it was common for it to happen there, which is not a great way to deal with flaws in your builds.

@tornaclconor5149

3 жыл бұрын

So they admit it's common for their 3k overpriced guitars to have fundamental flaws that most other guitars don't have? Yeah, never buying another Gibson

@elimuto5096

3 жыл бұрын

Then don’t buy a guitar with nitro finish. Understanding why this happens takes all the wind out of your sail.

@buddamassa

3 жыл бұрын

I had a V that had the exact same problem.. That and the tuning was MASSIVELY unstable sold that POS and bought an Ibanez RGA and never looked back. I will never spend that much on a Gibson when a 300.00 guitar buried that 1200.00 V and that was the cheap mid price back then.

@poisonfists

3 жыл бұрын

Same. '08 V.

@stratman9449

3 жыл бұрын

so.....it's meant to happen....like a light bulb pops after a year or two.....:-)

This is indicative of a nitro cellulose lacquer finish. All made in USA Gibby's use lacquer. This type of finish is not as flexible as the catalyzed urethane used by just about all other companies. Even Fender on their "nitro" guitars use a grain sealer and initial base coat that is a urethane based finish to avoid this. Only the true "reissue" vintage stuff is finished the old-school way. Over time lacquer shrinks back, gets brittle, and will check (i.e. crack) and chip easily. It can also dull. Given enough age / time the lacquer will sink into the grain even if Gibson used plenty of grain filler. IMHO this is normal aging of a lacquer finish.Technically I don't think there is any actual failure at the neck joint or where the nut is on either guitar. Most other guitars finished with either catalyzed urethane or UV cured urethane don't crack as the urethane will "stretch" a bit with the expansion / contraction of the different materials with the heat cold / humid / less humid cycles during the seasons. Fender players deal with "fret sprout" all the time as in the winter the wood tends to dry out a bit and then shrink back enough for the fret ends to feel sharp and pronounced. This is due to the humidity content in the wood when built "new" being higher than when it stabilized where the guitar now lives. Neither Fender nor the owner did anything wrong. It's just the nature of a product made from natural materials. Even with a urethane finish, sometimes there are finish cracks. Fender Strats & Teles can get these cracks near the neck pocket. The wood isn't cracked through or anything, rather is't the finish either stretching too much at this point or it was too thick. In both cases IMHO you are seeing the normal expansion / contraction of the wood over the seasons and temperature changes. The paddle neck joint is glued only in the pocket, not out to the edges. So some expansion / contraction of the wood will happen here. So the lacquer gives and creates a finish crack. This is not a neck failure by any means and I have seen it a lot. For this joint area either you can live with it, or it can have a simple repair. Usually butyl cellosolve or diluted clear nitro (diluted with lacquer thinner) can be drop-filled into the area. Lacquer can be re-flowed by solvents and as such if done by a competent person can be touched up to the point of never seeing the repair. There is always some risk of ghosting or if the crack is really deep the underlying dye or stain can be affected. The nut is a different story. Gibson uses an extremely strong "glue" the is borderline epoxy for their nut. The nut material is very similar to Corian counter top material. It is designed so that their production Plek machine can slot the nut, not for longevity (IMHO). They actually bond in the nut along with the binding before the guitar is finished. So the lacquer covers the slot where the nut is glued in. You have a joint here where mahogany, rosewood or ebony, corian (or whatever Gibby uses) and the plastic of the binding all meet. As such they all have different expansion and contraction rates. I have also seen this area chip / flake / crack the finish. Repairing the lacquer alone won't fix it as it will just happen again. Usually I dremel and chisel out the "corian" nut, clean it down to bare wood, and hand make a bone nut. Then repair the lacquer so there is no finish over the nut edge. If done right it will resemble what Gibson used to do back in the day. A lot of these issues are caused by Gibson "Tradition" (i.e. all USA Gibby's use Nitro Lacquer still), and some "short cuts" in they way they are manufactured to save time / labor. The question is do you accept it and either get it repaired / modified or live with it. Over time the lacquer on both of these "new" guitars is going to age. The lacquer will yellow, shrink, and get brittle. It's just what it does. At some point the guitar will become "stable" and none of these issues will progress any more. Then is the time to sort it out if your super picky about a perfect finish. But I'll tell you 100% that no matter how well you care for either of these guitars, with Nitro Lacquer at some point it's going to age. Don't get me wrong, Gibson has a lot of areas they need to improve on. IMHO it's insane that an Epiphone in many cases can have BETTER build quality than a USA made Gibson. Certainly for the money they charge (and keep raising the prices on). At any rate, hope this helps and I hope you keep both guitars. They look and sound wonderful. As for my background, I'm not talking out of my ass here. I used to build and repair guitars running my own shop. I have also gone to school for Guitar Lutherie and am a member of the Guild of American Luthiers. Been to the Heritage factory in Kalamazoo Michigan serval time. IMHO they make better Gibsons than Gibby does now as it's the same building with many of the same people and tooling as Gibson used back before their move. You should check them out sometime. Cheers! Take care! Mike

@Puppy_parade

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks for taking the time to explain!

@drewarthur2169

4 жыл бұрын

Rench Ranch wow!!! Thank god we have people like you to explain this stuff😂😂😂😂😂

@MiMenteOnLine

4 жыл бұрын

What the heck man, my brain is fried after reading almost everything. Trying to understand lots of words and maybe technically stuff. I don't even master guitar playing, nor english is my native language, but I do appreciate the time to explain it. I want to buy a new guitar and was thinking about buying a Gibson to play punk and metalcore, so I took this video as a warning sign....anywway, thanks again.

@Deebz270

4 жыл бұрын

I totally concur *Mike.* My Strat Deluxe had cracks around the neck pocket - It turned out that the four neck screws had stripped threads !! How the hell that happend is beyond me - Probably someone took the neck off and then overtightened the screws on refitting. The upshot being, that the neck was flapping around in the wind - around an 1/8th inch movement at the nut, which in turn caused the pearlescent finish (Jeff Beck Signature body) to crack at the heel joint. The paint finish on the end of the heel pocket completely delaminated. No cracks in the Alder beneath though. . Solution - I dowled and re-drilled the neck holes and fitted stainless-steel, high-torque screws - Stannah screws to be precise, used to secure outdoor stairlifts to granite steps! The neck is now solid as a glued joint, I could paddle the Atlantic with it ! . My Gibson Victory (1982 vintage) shows the very same joint line and crack in the finish that follows the neck joint on the upper side. The neck is solid though. My 1979 Gibson RD Artist has no such issues. Both Gibsons are made of slabs of rock-maple (both maple necks too, the RD has an ebony FB, whilst the Victory has a RW board). . My PRS S2 Semi-hollowbody is *perfect*.

@nguyenduc3708

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe the wood wasn't given enough time to rest? Under a lot of pressure from gluing, dremel tooling, shaping, the wood develops internal stress and it needs time to adjust itself to a balance point. But that's just my postulation.

The neck line happens on nearly every Gibson and is nothing to worry about. It's just something to expect. What happens is over time the nitro finish will 'sink' around the neck join line and then you'll see what you're seeing. There is no 'movement' in the heel joint. You can tell the difference between natural aging and 'trama' if there is a jagged line instead of a clean straight mark like you have. Same thing on that nut. What you're seeing is where the nut/fretboard truly ends and the neck begins so once again - not movement, just the finish finding the small gaps between materials. Those lines are predominately visible on solid colored finishes. Something else you might see over time as these guitars age are little 'cracks' along the binding where the frets end. Those happen because of fret sprout with seasonal changes. Something that is very common to see, but if you never take them out of the house you'll likely have no worries on seeing those. Thin nitro finishes will do all this. Things like epiphone wont because they are poly finished. Most PRS have very thick finishes as well. Gibson honors tradition and they build their guitars the way they did in the 50s. There are just some things you have to live with while upholding that tradition. Are they defects that need to be repaired? No. You'll devalue your guitar if you did. Do the lines kind of suck? Yes. Is it ok not to like Gibson guitars because of the finish they use. Sure. But let's not spread widespread fear over something small.

@DarrellBraunGuitar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply and info, I really appreciate it! Having used Gibson on and off for the past 20 years (and many other nitro finished guitars), I never had this cracking on any of my other instruments. In the end, Gibson have themselves in a bit of a bind - they can't really widely promote/educate regular people on the fact that (by their own choice) the finishes will likely crack on their very expensive guitars, while all their principal competition's guitars will likely not (I have nitro on a Strat, Tele, PRS, and Gretsch that are all fine). Either way, after watching this video, people will know and make their own purchases accordingly. If they do not want to deal with finish cracks they can choose to avoid Gibson; those who don't mind will be good to go :)

@joker71172

5 жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same thing.Trog

@reasonsrhymes

5 жыл бұрын

Agree with trogly. Thank you for giving facts.

@johnnypk1963

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree on the nut finish cracking common as dirt. But the neck finish cracking is not. Darrell is correct there is movement. The crack on the Db cut looks fairly jagged too, I thought.

@cornstar1253

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarrellBraunGuitar I think those old gold tops with the cracked nitro finishes look great

I had a perfect one. TURNED OUT TO BE A Chibson.

@jimkalfakis9893

3 жыл бұрын

Hilarious! As funny as that is, it’s probably true.

@viciousgaming6108

3 жыл бұрын

They are way better in some means the woodwork is 10xs better. Hardware and electronics are junk but that we can fix. U can not fix a 17 degree raked neck like on those lol

@adamgreenhill110

3 жыл бұрын

@@viciousgaming6108 Not to mention WAY cheaper, and some cool custom designs too

@rockthecasbahs

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with owning and playing a Chinese made guitar, especially nowadays that China is getting better at making reasonable quality things for quite cheap.

@adamgreenhill110

3 жыл бұрын

@@rockthecasbahs Yeah, seriously. I just got my Chickenbacker in the post - it blew all my expectations. Stunning guitar, plays well, very good frets. Needs minor adjustments, and hardware upgrades, then it'll be as good as a Ric in my eyes

*owns every Gibson Model* Why I'll Never buy Another Gibson... •

@arakis1313

3 жыл бұрын

...and i'm now sponsored by a couple of other brands

@bigted1953

3 жыл бұрын

Ryan , in the words of my old algebra teacher - Precisely Correct.

@jos7006

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@earlspearl2933

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigted1953 that's pretty much accurate then . I guess

@jamiemoffatt50

3 жыл бұрын

Most of his guitars are given to him free by companies to do reviews

Maybe Gibson could ask Dean guitars how to make guitars without finish cracks? Just saying...

@demofactory

5 жыл бұрын

You completely missed the irony of my joke, after Gibson tried to sue Dean Guitars. For the record... My glass is neither half empty or full. Already filled my glass, so I got another glass lol!!!!! Take care friend!!!

@tubularificationed

5 жыл бұрын

Rocco, in a face there is movement where there should be movement. Whereas in that Gibson guitars, there is movement where there should be no movement :)

@tubularificationed

5 жыл бұрын

I just wonder why $100 guitars get it right, and Gibsons get it wrong. Don't they have the same conditions? ;)

@NathanChisholm041

5 жыл бұрын

@@unperrier5998 Can we have the English version?

@finalbossoftheinternet6002

5 жыл бұрын

demofactory oof

F for gibson

@Burnt_Gerbil

5 жыл бұрын

Rudy Ayoub - press “F” to pay respects 😆

@diegomelendez6630

5 жыл бұрын

Rudy Ayoub F

@Stuk4s

5 жыл бұрын

FFFFF

@alexlevesque9687

5 жыл бұрын

I always see you commenting on all the guitar channels I subscribe to lmao

@philbracy1310

5 жыл бұрын

F

What I love about you Darrell is that you are very honest with every brand and you give detailed explanations of everything. I come to your channel FIRST when looking for reviews on any piece of equipment.

@brianwhite7686

3 жыл бұрын

He definitely has integrity.

Darrell I was a huge Gibson Custom shop dealer (store manager) back in the mid 90’s. eBay had come out by then so we were able to move a lot of guitars all over the world relatively cheap at the time. Problem was… quality. Our Hamer’s, Ibanez’s, Peavey’s, Epiphones, etc we’re great, out of the box! All we did was replace strings, set intonation and tune up. Gibson Custom Shop was a horror story… some of our customers were very distinguished and placed orders for their custom Gibby’s based solely on our reputation at the time. As soon as the Gibson Custom orders came into our shop we were shocked to find all kinds of issues with Quality. Intonation and string height in outer space! Electronics were soldered by 3rd graders etc. etc. We had to spend at least 2-4 hours on our Custom Shop guitars just to be playable. Very Sad. Our reputation was on the line so sometimes we hid these guitars from our customers until we could fix all these problems. Luckily we knew what we were doing.

@bigbasil1908

Жыл бұрын

One word. Corporations.

I like when my five thousand dollar guitar spontaneously combusts, gives it character.

@aaron4757

5 жыл бұрын

Greg Diprinzio no chief, only on $1000 or less guitars.

@FOHguy

5 жыл бұрын

I'm only happy when it happens playing live. Bedroom playing, nobody else gets to share the experience.😂

@chriscook4194

5 жыл бұрын

@@aaron4757 since when can you get a Gibson for less than 1k

@aaron4757

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Cook I was joking around, what I meant is that that shouldn’t happen to any guitar that’s over $1000

@chriscook4194

5 жыл бұрын

@@aaron4757 ah gotcha sry was fired up about this suit

That is excellent quality control! they are guaranteed to have cracks in the exact same spot even in different series! lol

@brandonfairchild5340

5 жыл бұрын

I love it!

@mitchmitchum6173

5 жыл бұрын

Lol and lol again.

@DougShablowski

5 жыл бұрын

Consistency is key

The only thing that sells Gibsons is nostalgia.

@BOOLsheet

3 жыл бұрын

Boondoggle what do they get what right? There are fundamental design flaws with Gibsons, many of which they’ve never tried to fix in any meaningful way. From weight, to headstock tilt, to upper fret access, to neck dive, it’s just not a comfortable guitar to sit and practice with or play live. Not to mention it doesn’t stay in tune as well as other cheaper, better designed guitars. Don’t even get me started on the quality control issues, which were abhorrent for a company that charges a massive premium. With so many great options out there today, there’s no real reason to buy such a flawed design.

@Chaps_Jr

3 жыл бұрын

@Boondoggle For your one guitar being done right, how many did they get wrong? How many people have had to deal with terrible quality and design for your instrument to be good? There is absolutely no reason a Les Paul (or any Gibson) should cost as much as they do. So many companies offer better quality and design, more finish and hardware options, better customer support, and don't charge an absurd premium. Gibson is using their name alone to keep pumping out an overpriced design which they have barely improved at all in over 60 years. For the price of a standard Les Paul, I can get a Custom Shop Fender. Ludicrous.

@Chaps_Jr

3 жыл бұрын

@Boondoggle That is an incredibly closed-minded stance. Also, you're just plain incorrect. No other brand is sent in for headstock repairs as much as Gibson, thanks to the ridiculous break angle. The finishes are extremely brittle, and the options are limited at best. For $3000, there is no reason it can't be made in a neck-thru construction for better harmonics. The way they install the nut and paint over it is just another way to charge extra money during inevitable repairs. The nut is also made of shockingly low quality material for such a high-dollar item. The same quality can be found in high-end Epiphones, for a third of the price, with more options for personalization, AND regular improvements in the technology. The only reason you're denying any of it is because you're afraid to admit that you paid way too much money for an outdated guitar.

@captainboders1181

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Chaps_Jr You make good points but so does he. It is kind of like the lottery with Gibsons, I have a 600-800$ Gibson I got used and it plays great for as long as I've had it which is roughly a year. But also you're right, they truly are leveraging their name and position in the guitar world to not offer improvements they could. Although like Boondoggle says, when they get it right they are quite nice instruments. But you're also right about the amount of Gibsons at least in the past that had to be done wrong for my one guitar to be nice is too high. As a company they are flawed, although when looked at individually a Gibson guitar can be amazing.

@lightspeedlegato

3 жыл бұрын

Gibsons are for collectors, not players.

I had an SG for about 6 months, looked cool, sounded like an SG fun to play sitting down. I didn't like the way it fit me, the neck dive was too much for me when standing, but it was also very poorly made. It needed a COMPLETE setup upon purchase (not not just a minor string height adjustment) but the main issue was the soldering of the pickups was so bad that after about 5 months of home use (3-4 hours per week at home) the wires came loose and the sound went in and out. It looked like someone had just poured a cup solder in the cutouts for the wires and pickups. I repaired and sold it a week later to buy an American Strat with money left over. I have seen vastly better build quality on my $220 Squire and my $300 Harley Benton. And with what Gibson charges, these things should look more like my $2,000 PRS, which is absolutely immaculate in build quality.

@richardwitherow5289

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Big Knuckle, I'm at desperation point with a Gibson that never stays in tune. Does your PRS have excellent tuning stability? I'm thinking of buying one.

@bigknuckle9689

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardwitherow5289 Yes, it does, but does not like alt tunings.

@richardwitherow5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigknuckle9689 Great. Thanks for getting back to me!

Say no to crack.

@thosewhomustbekeptthecoldo4197

5 жыл бұрын

CRACK IS WACK!

@michaelgallagher3640

5 жыл бұрын

So hard to find good crack these days.

@randomdude9698

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Gallagher just look on a Gibson

@louiscypher8714

5 жыл бұрын

Crack kills but it pays the bills.

I had the same issue with my epiphone LP. I sent it back to the retailer, as they said the would correct it. It sent it via FedEx. I insured it for $1000, the value of the guitar. However when it arrive at Sweetwater the headstock was completely broken off. (The issue was cracking in the finish) I reported this to FedEx. FedEx then wanted the signature of who signed for it along with video of it being delivered and their packaging being open. Dont know if anyone videos a FedEx delivery. FedEx then denied the claim. Sweetwater (the best company and customer service in the world) stepped up and replaced my guitar. I only purchase from them now. Well guitar stuff anyway. Moral of the story dont use FedEx!!!!!!!

@rickkuba

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Amaral I too had a FedEx close encounter when medication was to be sent to my wife prior to her Caribbean cruise. “ when it absolutely positively has to get there overnight” was the advertisement. In my case it didn’t leave the shipping facility for 2 days. Turned out I retrieved the meds and flew down to Florida from NYC to hand deliver them myself. Moral of the story: use FedEx at your own risk.

@hockeyman2274

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickkuba I'll never use them again!

@J__C__

4 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story is video your unboxing. Thousands of people do it daily. Many of them post their vids....get this.... RIGHT HERE ON KZread! 😄🤣

@J__C__

4 жыл бұрын

@Harry. B. Renner. jr. Sounds like you're talking about the KZreadr ChuckE2009 considering that's exactly what, happened to him.

@hockeyman2274

4 жыл бұрын

It was Sweetwater that didn't have an unboxing. Being that they use this vendor to ship almost all of their equipment, unless the customer requests a different shipper. They must have assumed everything would be ok with fed ex

I'll keep my Epiphones.

@Skulllywag

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 95' Epiphone LP that is well used, sounds great, and has ZERO finish cracks. The folks that say "They all do it, it's just an expansion/contraction thing" are deluded, and compensating for the butt-hurt of paying THAT much for an inferior quality guitar.

@wardochurchfan9166

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll keep my Schecter

@supersandwich8967

3 жыл бұрын

I'll keep my fender and jackson

@xuphy9503

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I will too. I have an epiphone Sg and it’s great. It’s a cheap brand but it’s great, I love it.

@joelstolarski2244

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. Excellent quality and sound. Got a new to me, used Standard, with a really thin neck. Perfect.

I've only ever bought one Gibson in my life; a Gibson Les Paul Modern in pelham blue back in December of last year (2019). Brand new, plays and sounds fantastic. I've now had it less than 7 months and the front of the guitar looks like someone took a metal comb to it. Cracks in the finish around the volume and tone knobs, the bridge, the toggle switch. Some are an inch or so long, others run nearly the full front of the guitar. It stays in one room where the temperature is a constant from about 68 to 75 degrees. I never thought I'd pay this much for a guitar only to have it look this way 6 months later. 6 years later...perhaps, but not this soon. I'm upgrading my silverburst Epi tomorrow with the SD hot rodded humbucker set. I personally will never again spend that much money on a Gibson. This Epiphone has such a good finish and feel that with the right pickups it'll be so close to a Gibson. So the Gibson has a traditional nitro finish. So what.....the guitar looks like crap and it's less than a year old. Still plays and sounds exceptional, but for the money an upgraded Epi is a much better deal, or put humbuckers in a Strat, or get an Ibanez or some other brand. Lesson learned.

@erikarneberg11

2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t Gibson still offering their “five year warranty”? Have you tried returning it via the dealership, or contacting Gibson yourself? Just wondering what the other part of the story (getting some resolution to the problem) is? If it all happened within a year of purchase, and to that extent, that’s got to be considered construction/production flaws that SHOULD be covered under warranty- imagine if that was a car! What a bummer, sorry to hear that…

@facurojas4477

2 жыл бұрын

If some checking bothers you so much just buy a poli finished guitar, it's not like the guitar is tearing itself apart of something..., it's something you just have to know, also, metalic finishes like yours are way more likely to check than regular ones, anyway, they didn't have the best QC before they changed ownership

Darrell: I'm not that much of an SG guy. *has a Gibson SG* Me: I'm all about the Gibson Les Paul. *has a $150 Strat copy*

@salintium

5 жыл бұрын

because he has a channel about guitars. Duh

@robspear03

4 жыл бұрын

@@salintium That has zero bearing on his choice of guitars. He owns a GLP, but isnt a fan? If you believe that, let me sell you some grease for your muffler bearings...

@iniquity7

4 жыл бұрын

@@robspear03 i need to buy some grease for my muffler bearing, and some horn fluid. My car seems to be acting up but walmart doesnt carry these items, can I buy them from you good sir?

@ravikiran490

4 жыл бұрын

Man I wanna buy an LP but too much price. Might get a Vault LP1 or TL some day

@dadadididododede1557

4 жыл бұрын

what were u thinking ??? seriously ?? ur finger sure as hell faster than ur brain lol 🤣🤣🤣

Weird that people are OK with cosmetic issues on guitars this expensive.

@My6StringSweetheart

5 жыл бұрын

Yet they complain if a cheap guitar has a slight fixable issue lol.

@4ppl3z59

5 жыл бұрын

If it plays I'm fine with it

@Dextergec413

5 жыл бұрын

People treat something very differently when they've paid money for it. They'll go to great lengths to justify something they already purchased while something unproven is easy to critique.

@furthermoore1863

5 жыл бұрын

that wine sniffer mentality

@northwooddrive448

5 жыл бұрын

it's about how it sounds when it comes to a guitar, not how it looks.

I know this is an older video, however I had a recent experience with this. I ordered a really nice 2018 limited edition Les Paul Standard, with blacked out hardware and a trans ebony bust. Beautiful guitar. I ordered this as brand new from Guitar Center. It showed up with a bowed neck and the same finish crack in the nut. Not only that the nut was also cracked diagonally. I took it back to Guitar center and exchanged it for a PRS custom 22. Low and behold, Guitar center put it back on the shelf with the same blemishes.

That really sucks man. I’ve had a 2012 sg standard for around 10 years and I’ve had not issues at all except the usual tuning problems

I’ve started buying $200-$300 guitars and upgrading hardware and tweaking minor imperfections. I feel I end up with a quality instrument for less $’s. For a company like Gibson to deliver this quality is insulting.

@xRegularJohnx

4 жыл бұрын

same here

@deaf19830

4 жыл бұрын

I would like to have somewhere around a 1981 Gibson Les Paul. They probably all the same I guess, year models I mean

@golfhound

4 жыл бұрын

agreed. I changed my whole outlook and buy lower end Fenders, upgrade the pickups, wiring, all hardware to better after market stuff of my choosing, and end up with a much finer guitar.

@vernonleemonii3334

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Check out Harley Benton guitars, great quality for the price!

@714arewenotmen

4 жыл бұрын

Right picked up a squire tele love it so surprise with the weight I've held squire strats there so light not my tele nice slab of wood will upgrade tuners but right now it stays in tune I'm just happy with it

I hope everyone leaves Gibson, prices drop, and then....they're all MINE,MINE,MINE :)

@JoeDoe2

5 жыл бұрын

lol

@HossJr

5 жыл бұрын

:-D :-D Anyone who's "through with " a fine instrument like Gibson is between a rock and a hard place.. I look for them to eat their words in the future

@kravenmorehead3953

5 жыл бұрын

They are not worth the money imo.

@trapperkcmo3460

5 жыл бұрын

all guitar price points should be at the epiphone/squier level. thats the problem. its not about quality, its about value.

@cindywalker912

5 жыл бұрын

I played les pauls and 335's for years, I had a 59 custom shop reissue that was without doubt the best guitar that Ive ever played, but their new stuff is junk, I honestly wouldnt buy it if it was a tenth of the price. Gibson really need to take a long hard look at the materials that theyre using and their quality control. If they dont, they'll be history, and the price of the decent instruments still out their will sky rocket

I agree. I wanted a true Gibson Les Paul my whole life, but since I couldn’t afford one, I just bought an Epiphone Les Paul Custom. It’s fantastic. Since then I’ve added a PRS and an EVH Wolfgang, and a Strat. So now I’m thinking there is no reason I need to drop $3-5k on a Gibson LP. My Epiphone LP is plenty good enough, and 1/6th the price.

I’ve repaired three SGs that have had that exact same issue. One where the neck completely came dislodged. Seems as if the glue just slowly broke down or wasn’t a clean application and after some minor abuse and bouncing around in cases decided to let go.

@terrygay8879

3 жыл бұрын

With all the new glues that continue to come out, I'd bet Gibson is using some old glue. It's amazing that with Gibson's voracious acquisitions of different industries they can't fix the problems with their flagship business. Oh well.

@deandee8082

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrygay8879 they use whatever chyna has to sell for the lowest price, bet that...

I've had a long 20 year struggle to find a Gibson guitar that I really love, but without too many issues. However, with all the other AWESOME guitars out there, I have to ask myself "why do I care so much?" I think its just time for me to be done!

@DoctorMcFarlandStudios

5 жыл бұрын

I worked at Gibson for 10 years but I have to agree that there are so many companies doing excellent work. You will find one you can’t live without.

@zefolantar

5 жыл бұрын

Darrell Braun Guitar 🎸I can’t say I blame you, Darrell. After seeing your two Gibson’s, I wouldn’t be lining up to get one, that’s for sure. With Gibson you’re paying for the iconic name but poor workmanship. Who needs that? If I was shelling out a few grand on a new axe, it would be a PRS or something from the Fender Custom Shop. Just my 2 cents. Great 👍 video. Love your work! 👏

@zacharycochran8096

5 жыл бұрын

There is no shame at this point buying Mexican and over seas...there luthiers either care more ...or fender and gibson seem to have issues with quality regarding supply and demand

@arronbrowning2752

5 жыл бұрын

Fender all the way! 😂

@isexuallyidentifyasanovenm1617

5 жыл бұрын

I have a 40 year old les paul thats always had those cracks. Trust me, me and a buddy of mine who is troglys guitar show here on KZread know all about this stuff. Dont know why it does it. But Its nothing to worry about. Just a gibson thing....

Way too much quality competition out there to bother with Gibson .

@julianpeters37

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I'd go for a collings instead. Bit to expensive for me.

@Chaps_Jr

3 жыл бұрын

Man, for something like a Les Paul, literally almost every single company makes a better quality product for a fraction of the cost, with more finish and hardware options. Hell, even the "cheapo" Chinese eBay guitars have better quality control than Gibson.

@GrimYak

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chaps_Jr ESP

@davidwhitten4538

3 жыл бұрын

Yea my LTD EC1000 plays better, built better, and feels better than any of the Gibsons ive had or played at even 4 times the price tag.

@GrimYak

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidwhitten4538 ESP/LTD is way better than the traditional les paul. lighter, thinner, and really overall a better guitar.

I never gave my Gibson Les Paul enough time to break. After all, it arrived with three tone knobs, scratchy electronics, a huge blemish in the stain, a stripped strap nut, a crooked neck, and a loose nut. NONE of my guitars from ANY other manufacturer were ever as poorly made as that Gibson. I've owned plenty of instruments, from all around the budget spectrum. I take care of every guitar I have. None have disappointed me as much as that Gibson. Yes, I would've seen these issues had I bought the instrument from a local store, but even online purchases have been more reliable than this one. Yes, every brand can ship a dud, but this thing was supposedly inspected before being shipped out. Gibson lost me as a customer. I'll happily keep buying from pretty much anyone else. I think my next LP might be an Eastman, or something similar.

I’ve had a neck reset on an old SG I had at one point. And I’ve had other similar neck pocket issues as well. As much as I love Gibson, I can’t justify buying one anymore.

Heel cracks are normal. Same with the nut. There’s no movement, it’s just the finish shrinking. Your guitar will not break, and it isn’t a sign of breaking parts. The finish is where the parts are connected, so that’s why it cracks around the buy and heel. You may find out shortly that it happens all the way down the neck binding. Don’t worry about it.

@granvillefriel1877

5 жыл бұрын

Is that the nitro cracking with age?

@andrewwagner6851

5 жыл бұрын

Granville Friel yes. Epiphone guitars have polyurethane finish so they do not shrink. Some fender guitars have nitro finish but they do not have any neck glue joints that can be disrupted.

@Superjet113

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly That635guy, was going to post this if I could not find a good comment about it. Spot on. Nothing is moving, finish shrinkage. This should posted as top post. It still sucks, but nothing is moving Darrell. Love your channel too BTW, thank you!

@LucasCrossleyGuitar

5 жыл бұрын

This!

@averydeadhorse

5 жыл бұрын

Have worked with and fixed nitro finishes. Can confirm this

I can forgive a lot of defects if a guitar has "that special something", and I have done so. But when dropping $$$$ on a new guitar, there's no excuse for that kind of silliness.

@brandonhuisman4351

4 жыл бұрын

Scottish McMillan he said the one one guitar was a 2007. So I wouldn’t call it new but I agree

My favorite guitar is my early 90s Les Paul Studio. When I go a little older and started gigging, I wanted a backup. I was surprised that more recent Gibsons that cost $2K+ aren’t even close to feeling as good as my old Studio, which was about $900 at the time of purchase. I went to Guitar Center to sell 3 pedals I didn’t care for, and ended up playing a LTD LP copy. It had almost everything I loved about my LP, and I actually prefer the knob placement of the LTD. So, for the price of a few pedals I never used, I got the LP I always wanted.

Yes, my SG has developed this same crack too

That's why I always buy the Chinese knock offs. You get the same problems, only at a fraction of the price.

@Chino196

4 жыл бұрын

Red Scorpion 6 same✊

@davemoskot7772

4 жыл бұрын

Red Scorpion 6 plus you get Covid-19 for free as an added bonus.

@HalfDeadGeezers

4 жыл бұрын

I will buy Indonesian or South Korean. It is my personal choice to not support the Chinese regime. Sorry Epiphone.

@punk_rock_music_teacher

4 жыл бұрын

Red Scorpion 6 look for a pre 2015 Epiphone custom. They’re handmade in China with the same materials but thousands less than their Gibson counterparts

@tannersparrow5588

4 жыл бұрын

Epiphone is an okay knock off, if youre talking about chibsons, that's just straight up not cool

You can hear the sadness in his voice when he’s talking about the cracks

@p-rod88

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one.

@RainField0730

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah a bit of quiver in his voice, so sad.

@KazeAkiyama

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell he's not a player who maintains his own guitars because literally every guitar gets that at some point. Especially when there's not much wood surrounding the join.

Had same on a less Paul I had years ago I gave it away and started playing fender telecaster

@allan775

3 жыл бұрын

@@catmakesmusic182 buy a mexican strat you'll never look back trust me

Had a 2005 SG standard since 08, similar low impact life, spending almost all its life in the case while not being played. Only degradation is a slight spider web cracking on the chrome that gets touched the most and the odd tiny ding or scratch! All in all just about as beautiful as the day I first laid eyes on it!!

"Nuts that were hacked by a caveman" 4:23 Love this lol

@cuauhtemocmorisco3493

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@Kendrix_76

5 жыл бұрын

I almost spit out my coffee when he said that. lol.

@JorgeSalasGuitar

5 жыл бұрын

Ken Conrad I had to do a double-take! Lol

@sickb2200

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody wants that.

@JorgeSalasGuitar

5 жыл бұрын

sickb2200 Hell No! Lol

cracks on guitars at this price point is not acceptable...i've played Schecters for years and never seen a crack like this on any of them, and they're 1/3 the cost....this is clearly a quality control issue...

@metalheadblues

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. My schecter is almost a decade old have heavily gigged and no issues.

@gavinwinram7811

4 жыл бұрын

He lives in Canada. It could be the air moisture causing it. I only have one guitar, and it’s a cheap acoustic. But at my school we have 3 humidifiers to keep the air moist during the winter months

@dustywalter1947

4 жыл бұрын

I love Schecter! He should burn these Gibson's or make picks out of them for a new schecter.

@jamescox992

4 жыл бұрын

I have a Schecter C1 custom about two and a half years old same problem crack at the neck joint. Love the guitar. I have a C1 Hellraiser same age no problems. Love it just the same.

@Logan912

4 жыл бұрын

@@gavinwinram7811 Yes because those are *acoustic guitars.* For an electric solid body guitar, this is unacceptable.

I went to the store with money for a Les Paul and left with a PRS. Gibson have been living on their name alone for far too long.

This is the most scathing review of a guitar that I've seen from this guy. "Mmmm.... this sucks" 😳

I am old enough to be your father and have played gibsons and fenders before they were collectible. Living in New England with all its drastic temperature and humidity changes I see what you have all the time. Not only in guitars but any wood product from furniture to flooring etc. These are not stress cracks or signs of defects but natural occurrences because wood will always move with the climate. Sometimes it shrinks, expands etc. Nitro lacquer moves as well and takes forever to cure. Unlike plastic based finishes on your epiphone and other guitars lacquer takes forever to really harden. During that time it shrinks, moves and cracks. It is also very susceptible to finish cracks. Gibson bakes its finishes to speed the process but it just gets the guitar to the store faster. It doesn't harden the finish completely which still has to age.l. Its a catch 22., We want the tone of lacquer but the durability of a poly. Now compound this with the fact that Mahogany isa more porous than a hardwood like maple so it is likely to exhibit these changes more than maple or alder. I am not a gibson fanboy by any means, in fact prefer strats, but this time its not gibson's fault. Those cracks do not suggest your nut is coming off or your neck has to be reset. All it shows is that your mahogany based guitars are moving slightly which is normal, that's why they have neck adjustments, and the finish is hardening and shrinking with age, Good luck and just enjoy playing them., Fortunately our fingers can't see so it shouldn't bother them at all!

@geobram

5 жыл бұрын

"We want the tone of lacquer" ?!?!?! Bwah ha ha ha ...that is almost as good as tone wood!!! Also if nitro lacquer takes so long to cure it should NOT crack. Those are not finish cracks, they would appear randomly everywhere... not on the high stress area of the neck body interface. And yes you are a Gibson fan-boy.

@tolerbearALTII

5 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time believing in the so called tone of the finish of any guitar. It's a myth. As for Gibson's quality issues, give me a cheap guitar; at least they have an excuse. Gibsons are overpriced and they take advantage of their former reputation for being a quality instrument. Bah!

@112131415191213

5 жыл бұрын

@@felix.delrubio PRS guitars are finished in poly though...

@nickzaragoza9368

5 жыл бұрын

Tone wood is the best myth to hit the guitar community along with boiling strings HAHA

@rickjohns689

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickzaragoza9368 boiling strings isn't really a myth, it is used to remove crud from used strings to make them sound brighter just a little longer. There is no benefit to boiling them out of the package. And doing it to renew strings isn't really great anyway, they don't last much longer and it won't fix dents from frets on the underside.

Best of luck finding a solution Darrell. Lucky we love our Epiphones right?

@alexmurphy5289

5 жыл бұрын

Most Epis are cheaper and better... Gibson doesn't stand a chance in the long run

@lincolnlee6042

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Murphy agreed

@MrChris-bx7ss

5 жыл бұрын

If they would only change that goofy Epi headstock it would be heaven.

@marksanders1962

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexmurphy5289 Alex Murphy I think you are right, thank you for your cooperation...

@megan_alnico

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrChris-bx7ss I think your statement is exactly why they don't have the Gibson headstock.

No issues with my epiphone sg . My Gibson cracked on 3 separate occasions where the cord attached. Using a metal bracket and putting it on the side is a lifesaver.

@wpkg

2 жыл бұрын

hi Scott, which Epiphone SG? is it the ‘61 LP SG?

@ScottDreyfus

2 жыл бұрын

@@wpkg no newer non valute style 97

@wpkg

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottDreyfus Thanks!

I was done with them before I ever bought one hearing that you could pay almost 2000 for something with no fret work done. Sounds great right ?

I made a kit SG about 25 years ago and finished with nitro and mine doesn't have that problem, maybe I could show Gibson where they went wrong and make them great again...lmao

@___717.

4 жыл бұрын

No cracks, *NOT AUTHENTIC*

@golfhound

4 жыл бұрын

Write to Gibson and give them your suggestion. They just might take it.

@viktoronopko2090

4 жыл бұрын

Make Gibson great again? You could start using concrete for the body. Could be probably lighter...

@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040

4 жыл бұрын

Do you still have it?

@thomascallahan9167

4 жыл бұрын

@@viktoronopko2090 Dude laughing to hard

Sold Gibsons for years and got sick if this happening. $5500 for a guitar then the customer comes back with cracks down the neck at heel at nut...I gave up selling them..this is just one reason Gibson is in its situation. Great sounding bad finish high price! Crazy!!

@ricardothelionhearted3725

4 жыл бұрын

From what year to what year did you sell them?Was it all Gibson product lines?Are the older Gibson's susceptible to this issue?Thanks for your time and effort.

@nicolaistawinoga7566

4 жыл бұрын

Is this for standards and customs alike?

As a wristwatch guy as well as a guitar guy, I’ve thought of Epiphone and Gibson being like Tudor and Rolex. Nowadays those barriers seem to be blurred.

@sismachine

10 ай бұрын

Well, at least from authorized Gibson dealers, they have guitars in stock...

Btw, if you really like double cut Les Paul's, but you still want something brand new, there's always Paul Reed Smith. They are literally Les Pauls, but they still have access to good tone wood.

Was the demo at the beginning an original? It’s phenomenal!

@DarrellBraunGuitar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, I just wanted to put a jam together using these guitars :)

@MichaelD8393

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarrellBraunGuitar Have you considered making it an official song Darrell? I'd download it!

@onioin98

5 жыл бұрын

That demo sounded super Metallica-like

@graysonadams2485

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarrellBraunGuitar that was honestly so good

@djoHn548

5 жыл бұрын

Darrell Braun Guitar lol “just put a jam together” that sounded awesome though!!

Gibson: Quality is for Sissies. Gibson: Our Customers don't Mind. Gibson: Where Trust Funds go to Die. Gibson: My Bad!

@kevinmoor26

5 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone pay top dollar for a Gibson when you can buy Epiphone? Musicians who can tell the difference are definitely on drugs.

@thebrownjohnlocke8465

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmoor26 The most expensive epiphone les paul is much better value than the cheapest gibson les paul and guess which one is cheaper :)

@salintium

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmoor26 Many musicians grew up believing the myths about guitars. Example wood differences make different tone. How? the strings are metal going across an electronic magnetic field. Wood is not electromagnetic.

@apoclypse

4 жыл бұрын

Madmike right but they’ve actually done double blind tests with Stradivarius instruments and when the results came in most musicians preferred the sound of more modern violins that weren’t Stradivarius. Yes the woods have different resonance and impart different sounds that still doesn’t mean that it sounds better because a more expensive wood is used or even if the instrument itself is more expensive. At this point Epiphone is just too good for the price. There is nothing that the Gibson has that’s imo worth the asking price.

@gentlegiant6585

4 жыл бұрын

@@kikong80 🤣🤣🤣👍👏🎸

Would love to hear if Gibson ever did anything for you about this problem?

Ugh! Bro I feel bad for you. That’s exactly why I’m done with those high dollar guitars. Main Guitar right now is a Ltd ec50 stock $180 new in 2007. I’ve been playing it for 13 years with no problems

I gave up on Gibson 40 years ago and never looked back. Fender forever.

@j_freed

5 жыл бұрын

Gretsch. You know you will.

@dylanzrim1011

5 жыл бұрын

Gives up on Gibson. Moves to equally unreliable company. Ibanez or ESP/ltd. That's where it's at for 'name brand' Or boutique style go PRS

@dylanzrim1011

5 жыл бұрын

Somebody 111 kit guitars are your best bet. Or buy a righty with good internals then make a lefty body for it. Bolt in special

@kevdean9967

5 жыл бұрын

Music man and G&L are better than Fenders unless you go custom shop. Then they are as good.

@dylanzrim1011

5 жыл бұрын

Somebody 111 the kit will come with a body, you can have them pre-painted. Pre-drilled. Or if you're feeling extra custom. ESP custom shop may be an option.

Yup, my three sg’s have the same finish crack at the neck even the 2007 custom shop. Heavy strings and thin necks but It just cosmetic so I’m fine with it.

@FreddyFuFu

5 жыл бұрын

My 2013 SG 50"s tribute does not have that crack. I play it almost everyday.

@scottanderson2879

5 жыл бұрын

Freddy FuFu then life’s good.

@HexYzeE

5 жыл бұрын

Me too man, 2010 SG... but the crack is way more shorter than on the video but still there..

@scottanderson2879

5 жыл бұрын

David, they suck but the lacquers so soft. I remember changing out pots on my 2005 tightened up the rings and thought nothing of it 2 years down the line and the checking is all the way across the bottom part of the body. It doesn’t take much.

@kevinmonzel

5 жыл бұрын

heavy strings thin necks and he hangs them on wall what do you expect?

Unfortunately my Gibson les Paul standard developed the Gibson "smilie" face crack where the head connects to the neck. Bumming since I take such care with the guitar and I always keep it in the case. Did some research and it turns out is a common problem. Anyone know how much this would cost to repair?

Hey bro..I had a old SG once that the same thing happened to. I put a very hot iron right next to the crack..it melted the finish and it went back together. I couldn't even tell it happened. I had it in either my den or my study..and the humidity ALWAYS gets down to under 10% all winter long in both. I had a Martin do the same damn thing to me as well. Now I keep them in a closet made just for my guitars. I keep the humidity in it between 30-40% all year. I don't know if that is what caused the finish crack in yours or not? I was ALWAYS worried about my gun collection being to humid..never thought about my guitars. I have a big gun safe of course with a humidity killer in it..so now they are ALL happy.😁✌ Good luck pal.👌

This brought back a memory of one of my regular customers bringing in a Les Paul studio with complaints that it was buzzing. Took me forever to realize the fingerboard had separated from the neck at the first fret enough that if you looked into the crack on the bass side, you could see light shining through from the treble side.

@bigted1953

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a cobbler i used to take my shoes to that could tell the problem when he saw the soles flapping.

As a lot of good people have wasted a lot of hard earned $ on what should be a "pride & joy" purchase I have changed my mind & decided to share a little knowledge for free. It's simple - the solvent in the lacquer is dissolving the glue in the joins - leaving a mix of glue/lacq both in the join & in the finish around the join. Compromising both join & finish. For example automotive lacquers have extra strong solvents designed to key into modern hard plastic bumpers, guards etc. Some so potent even epoxy glues can be dissolved. Heat may also play an important part. Heating during the spraying(curing) process can soften many glues & also cause the solvent to be driven out of the lacquer more aggressively - into the softened glue. The softening of the glue can also be influenced by the time between gluing & finishing - in a production environment the glue may only be a day or 2 old. Most glues will tell you quite clearly to allow 7 days for complete cure. How do I know this - simply by phoning the chemists at Glazurit & the chemists at Techniglue(epoxy). Fixing this in a guitar would involve the removal of the neck & probably refinishing - more trouble & money than the instrument is worth. This is clearly a very serious manufacturing fault - & should be rectified by the manufacturer replacing all the instruments with this fault. Personally if Gibson refuse to co-operate I would get as many owners together as possible to discuss a class action. Sorry about the bad news. I look forward to more great, informative vids from you in the future. Cheers, Dean.

@RodrigoRamirez-eq6gj

4 жыл бұрын

That's a very good argument. Gibson is, and has been, using deficient manufacturing processes either out of incompetence or greed, that have produced products of inferior quality, and then selling them at an unreasonable price point. Filling a class action against Gibson would really be something I would love to see.

@bobsmoot5106

4 жыл бұрын

Careful what you wish for. Issues aside, there’s no real replacement for the sound of a proper Les Paul or SG. They have a very distinct sound that other guitars mimic with varying degrees of success, but very few nail. I’d hate to lose that over some finishing issues.

I have an SG that I've smashed to pieces twice, glued it back together and still rocks

I bought an original collection SG Standard last year and it is by far my favorite guitar I’ve ever played. I’ve owned a Japanese Ibanez, an LTD EC-1000, a high end Korean Schecter, and an American Fender Jag. The Jag is a close second but still.

I gotta admit how hilarious it was to me the first sentence. For today's video we've got some problems. Amazing video as usual Darrell.

“Gibson left the chat “

Quick random question, What is the 3 humbucker configuration good for? PLZ someone tell me.

My 2001 Epiphone Les Paul also has this crack on the underside. It's been there forever and has not grown beyond it's initial crack. I pulled the pups to inspect the joint inside the body and it's rock solid.

Back in the 1970s, Gibson, Fender, and maybe some other top-tier American guitar manufacturers began emulating suicidal American car companies in trying to sell their customers highly-priced crap and depending on a level of brand loyalty that just didn't exist. Gibson and Fender survived this madness, but as a result of it we have at least two lingering effects: The vintage guitar market and the import guitar market. Neither really existed before the 70s; vintage guitars were just "used" and imports most often sucked. The American companies had the "benefit" of bad timing as well, since they began marketing poor guitars at nearly the very same time that the imports were getting so good as to be almost the clones of the classic 50s instruments they were patterned after. Now, lo these many years later, it seems that Gibson has forgotten this dark period in the company's existence. NO ONE is going to pay top dollar for a product that is not worth every penny! Why pay Gibson for junk when, as you say Darrell, Epiphone has perfectly good and very well made guitars at affordable prices? There is, of course, other competition as well. Got the bucks? Score a PRS Core model. If you need to, you can step to an S2 or even an SE and be good to go. There are a number of Gibson imitators out there, some of whom make good stuff, and if that doesn't work for you, there is always the aforementioned used guitar market. Come on, Gibson! Having a real Gibson Les Paul is still on my bucket list, but if you want me looking at new stuff, then that new stuff had better be worth looking at AND BUYING! I don't believe in "brand loyalty" -- it only serves the brand! You need to discover "customer loyalty" -- take care of us or we WILL NOT take care of you. Sad, but true.

@Zettel9016

5 жыл бұрын

Outstanding comment that says everything well. Thank you.

@edwinstovall3334

5 жыл бұрын

@@Zettel9016 Thank YOU, my friend. I just hope that someone at Gibson sees these words or some like them and manages to act properly to save the company. Time is running out!

@GraeMatterz

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. You can't play a logo.

@troll1441

5 жыл бұрын

Gibson is still making some fine guitars and their quality control is not as bad as many people seem to think it is, comparing Epiphones and Gibsons is nonsense, there are as many differences as there are similarities, Epiphones are the budget line and Gibsons are the upper end line. Yes, some of the highest cost Epiphones compare well with the lowest costing Gibsons, the Epiphones have more eye candy:, binding, shiny poly finishes and upgraded pickups while the bottom end Gibsons don't have binding, have satin lacquer finishes, etc... but the Gibsons are still using the same woods as the expensive models and are built on the same equipment that are building the expensive models, and come standard with quality pickups and hardware that are upgrades for other brands. When Epiphone makes flamed wood grain top it is veneer, when Gibson makes one it is carved wood, etc... The demand for Gibsons has grown while the production techniques have stayed the same, so with the higher number of instruments being produced there are going to be some that slip through the quality control system that shouldn't have, but that doesn't mean that Gibsons are junk and not worth buying anymore, all companies mass producing things make a lemon here and there... the buyer just has to be selective and careful before they pay for it or decide not to return it if was an online purchase. You can buy also Strat styled guitars that are every bit as well made and playable as a Fender, but hey, they aren't a Fender. Part of what you're paying for is the brand, that is reality, whether you are buying a Fender or a Gibson.

@edwinstovall3334

5 жыл бұрын

@@troll1441 Unless you don't. On most of your points, T roll, we don't disagree. I have never meant to imply that Epiphone was anything but budget or Gibson anything but flagship. I do say, however, that even if it is true that Gibsons remain better in quality than we have been led to believe, it is that belief that I was speaking to. Brand loyalty does not exist; the tendency is for the consumer to say, "What have you done for me lately?" If Gibson does not have an actual problem with quality control, then they have a problem in the perception that they DO have that problem. That can prove an even thornier problem, as how to PROVE the non-existence of a problem that never existed? They have to work 3 times as hard to REGAIN customer trust as they do to WIN it in the first place, making that trust a vital resource to the company. That I I see some of the comments made is proof to me that Gibson has, at least, that deadly perception problem.😱 Of course, one REAL type of proof come when a customer gets a Gibson in hand; then the guitar can prove itself. This is where the rubber REALLY meets the road! My point was that with customer PERCEPTION of quality taking a hit, Gibson has to put in that work proving that the guitars are worthy of their prices. This is a one-on-one thing, with Gibson having to win that battle and make that sale much more often than not to see the profit the company needs. Quality issues, whether real or imagined, put stress on the company's bottom line. Fixing the perception problem is a long term issue that has to be backed up consistently by the sustained high quality of the company's products. Doing anything less gives the buyer less reward in trying "just one more" Gibson and not moving on to one of the alternatives. With competition as fierce as it is in 2019's guitar-land, Gibson must do as much as possible to make those sales and not miss a trick.🤔

*Laughs in squier bullet strat

@beesechurger1466

3 жыл бұрын

lol bullet was my first its a real cheapie

@musicianluca

3 жыл бұрын

I own one and i like it

@RubenTaylor

3 жыл бұрын

My first electric was an encore strat , even cheaper 😂

@jessehunter1194

3 жыл бұрын

I play a modded bullet and I love it.

@davnola1

3 жыл бұрын

Here, here. I’ve got an 97 Squier Affinity w/ a Bullet neck. Texas Special pickups are pretty sweet on it though.

okay so my SG is doing the same thing and I spoke to a woodworker who told me the neck and body are different pieces of wood that may dry at different speeds so if one is drying faster than the other you will get some expansion and contractions which will cause cracks at the joint but this is nothing but a cosmetic issue. The fact that my fret wire could cut a Christmas turkey with ease was more distressing to me. After working with his fret files for about a half an hour I got it to where it should have been when it left the factory. Yes their quality control is very disappointing.

Just glanced at my old Epiphone SG. Looking good. $450 buys a pretty damn nice guitar that doesn’t have to just sit in a box.

Always been a Fender guy, but about 6 years ago wanted to add a Gibson to my collection. It was only a Studio, but was excited none the less. Quality was china.. with a horrible cut nut. A small block of wood and sawdust came out of the electronics cavity. You could feel a line going all the way up the neck where the rosewood meets the mahogany on the fret-board. Was the worst guitar ive ever had in my collection. I wanted to love it -but I aint stupid ..and so it went back the next day.

I've had 4 SG's over the years and they've all done this, although the initial finish cracks never expanded with time and use. Almost like a house settling in and staying put.

I had a reissue 61 SG, sold it and bought ibanez JEM 30 years ago. My JEM still stands perfectly

Any chance the wood wasn't cured properly and you're getting expansion/contraction, affecting the finish there? Just thinkin'..

@gtrman12887

3 жыл бұрын

On both guitars? I think its just lack of QC.

Dude, welcome to a true nitro finish. The different pieces of wood are expanding and contracting at different rates. Nitro is a very hard, brittle finish, and it will crack. Old nitro will crack if you bring your guitar inside from sub freezing weather and open the case too soon. Literally this is no big deal, it is not the pieces moving around, it is expansion and contraction.

@ryanfulldark2775

4 жыл бұрын

puppetshow360 Agreed

@darrylsaulnier3858

3 жыл бұрын

100% True!

@Denvermorgan2000

3 жыл бұрын

I dont know why he is whining its supposed to crack.

@SlimSlashie

3 жыл бұрын

Is this really correct? My 20 year old LPs don't have a neck joint crack, or any other cracking or chipping that I can't say, "Oh, my belt did that..." or "whoops, mic stand bonk!" From what I understand, the really brittle nitro was stopped in the late 60's when the EPA took out all the "REALLY toxic" ingredients. Also, nitro is constantly offgassing, so it's thinner today than it was yesterday, by however small amount, that builds up over the years. (which would actually be a nod to cracking easier... huh.) Finally, other "high end" guitars that use nitro simply don't have this problem. I'm not dumping on you bro, I'm here to learn just like everyone else, but I own several Gibson les pauls and the last one I bought will be the last one I buy. I swear it was a factory reject or something... absolute trash for darn near 7 grand... (Yes, I still have a bitter taste over that. F Gibson.)

@jeremybradley559

3 жыл бұрын

Well then they need to stop using nitro. It’s shithouse.

This is an inherent "problem" with nitro lacquer expanding and shrinking, and the joints generally get finish cracks first (under non extreme temperature deltas) because the potential for lacquer separation is already there because it's a joint and technically not just one continuous flat surface, but it's not a sign of neck mouvement. And it happens on the bass side first because the vibrations are stronger and more prominent on the low side than the high, it will probably happen on the treble side one day. And it doesn't happen with PRSs or Epis or whatever other brand coz they don't use Nitro. This is not a problem per se, it's the downside of Nitro lacquer, and if gibs didn't use Nitro all hell would break loose !!!

@joshuaanderson1903

5 жыл бұрын

RiffsNReviews It isn’t even real nitro though. It’s plasticized. My SG has the same problem. I recently had my guitars in a trailer for a few days in the cold. The lacquer on the SG didn’t check like my other nitro guitars. It just chips in big flakes.

@bestplans9051

5 жыл бұрын

It's not inherent, just seems that people are wiling to accept it so Gibson has no reason to solve the problem. I've even seen this in some of the new models hanging at GC. I've got 5 different guitars all from different mfgs and not a single one has any issues like this and I didn't pay even 1/4 of the price of a LP. "And it happens on the bass side first because the vibrations are stronger" lmao ooook. I've worked in quality control and inspection for a few manufacturing companies and the amount of vibration it would take to seperate a finish like that is ridiculous. If that were true every single bass guitar by every mfg should be cracking lol.

I’ve had great luck with the low end open pour satin finished “tribute” models.

I bought a Nashville SG and its in amazing shape. I love your channel and you've helped me select a decent guitar. My fave is still a Strat.

I appreciate everyone saying it's just nitro being nitro, however: 1. My other nitro guitars (Strat, Tele, PRS, Gretsch) are just fine and have been for years. 2. These two guitars don't show checking on the body, neck, or headstock - so basic nitro hardening should show up on other areas of the guitars, but haven't. 3. The sensitive location of the finish cracks leads me to believe it could be movement related (too much expansion/contraction between body and necks). Perhaps it is more prevalent on double cut designs with less contact area between neck and body? Either way, it sucks that it's happening on expensive modern guitars :)

@alfaalex101

5 жыл бұрын

Time to switch over to Godin, support Canadian business : )

@joerob3081

5 жыл бұрын

Seems common on the SG in particular. Mine is a 2018 and no cracks at the moment. My 2013 Les Paul had a finish crack at the fretboard but it still played great.

@jamesodonnell9217

5 жыл бұрын

Darrell, hundreds of people took the time to write thoughtful compassionate comments describing conditions that lead to the finish checking etc. We are sorry to see your disappointment. If you're done with Gibson, we respect your decision. Regardless of where your journeys take you and how you satisfy the quest for tonal bliss, we only wish you the best. Thank you for your continued contributions to the YT community. Kind regards.

@andrij.demianczuk

5 жыл бұрын

My Les Paul is 2011 and it is starting to show minor finish cracking in the same two places as well (but much less so than yours) and by the tail strap pin too (quite a bit). I first noticed it a few years ago and I'm waiting to see if my 2018 RD Artist will do the same in time.

@ErGoyoTV

5 жыл бұрын

Just Gibson being Gibson I guess

I found a 1976 Gibson Explorer reissue in a guitar store in Burbank, Ca had been in the back of the store for like a decade. Guess they forgot about it? Worked the whole summer to save up the $800.00 bucks, well then I bought it, case and all in perfect condition. That was my first good guitar. A few years later the glue/paint started chipping around the neck joint and about a year later a long finish crack started at the back of the neck and worked it's way down the body. I bought a used 1983 Fender Strat that I still have to this day, so that became my main axe, the Gibson just sat in it's case. The nut on the Explorer pulled loose. Fixed the nut and sold the Explorer for 5 grand. Took the money and bought another Fender Strat and two Teles, with money leftover. No way would I ever go back to a Gibson, even back in 1976 when this Explorer was made, Gibson was making junk. Remember the 1979/1980 Gibson silverburst Les Paul's? A couple of my friends had some, a few years later the silverburst would start to turn a ugly green color. To this day it is Fender only for me, Gibson makes nice looking, expensive junk, IMO.

@phillippasteur3904

5 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. I have had a few friends who owned shops and were Gibson dealers, and every one of them talked about Gibson's terrible quality control, trying to dodge out of warranty service, and just a bad company to deal with.

@dizzle49er

5 жыл бұрын

Ignorant statement. Goldtops turn green too. It’s a reaction the metal flakes in the paint have over time(nitro finishes only). Do some research

@therealjulez7886

5 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing this man, been mind boggling whether to grab a gibson es series or a Fender HSS, the quality control for Gibson scares my wallet to shreds

No repair needed just play them.

Yes have had an SG and it did the same thing I was told it’s due to moisture changes, but they stay in humidity controlled rooms so.......

my dad has the Japanese Epiphone set neck 355 style guitar that I use, amazing instrument over around 30 years old no problems

Oh man, I'm so sad to hear that. My 2011 Gibson isn't a double cut, and it is 'only' a studio; I've not noticed any cracking of the finish. I do have to wonder if it would be harder to see with the faded type finish it has. Best of luck finding a solution, and keep us posted, please.

The cracking has a lot to do with the angle of the headstock. It puts a lot of tension on those 2 spots. If you were considering a Gibby 335 go with The Heritage instead. Much nicer guitar and a way better attention to detail. I've also have a lot of love for the Washburn HB35. JB from Widespread Panic plays em, I've had 2 and they are a great choice over Epi.

@dwebs1340

2 жыл бұрын

@David Wang if it feels good doesnt matter if it was $50. My favorite guitar of the 40 ive had is my Squire Jagmaster... got it for $75 at a garage sale and I prefer the feel and the tones over my PRS, US Fenders etc. 99.9% of it is a very personal experience granted im sure ill be told by someone the jagmaster is a piece of crap blah blah blah when to me I would have spent 10x that on it because we have a bond that is just different. I am way more creative w that guitar than any other I own.

My SG is from 07 and doesn’t have this issue. I feel blessed lol.

I'm 63 yrs old, recently bought a 335 and Les Paul DC. I play them once a month if that for 6-7 years. Recently noticed a crack at headstock and at the same spot as yours. Had both fixed, month later they were back, BUT IN opposite spots!!! Like fix the heal, puts pressure on the neck, vice versa!!! Both are again being fixed. Both are 2007 models. I'm dumbfounded. Thankfully, I prefer my epi's. My 339 epi and my Les Paul epi are perfect (for me anyway).

Ok, so obviously I'm not trying to defending Gibson at all. But have it you considered using a case humidifier? I have a 75 yayari and someone mentioned using a case humidifier and it's helped with the small crack I have in the finish of it. Way to less noticeable

Sorry that happened to you. Never been Gibson fan and when they started sueing other brands (play authentic crap)...well that was it for me. Hopefully they'll see your vid and reach out to help especially at the prices they charge.

My SG (mid-60's) developed that very same "finish" crack. I teaded it for a Guild S-100. I have never had any issues with my Guild. My ES-335 neck completely broke off at the body/neck heel. The repair tech did an awesome job repairing it but I traded it for a Guild Starfire IV and again never looked back. Both Guild's are still fine an dandy. My other set neck is a Guild S-300D. Another under rated excellent guitar. That neck joint is also fine.