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@rocknrollguitar

Жыл бұрын

thats why im a fender boiiii, + I cant deal with the short scale lengt

@Gornflyin

Жыл бұрын

how about Gibson take their finger out of their a** and make us a damned Explorer with NO pickguard, with active pickups. Errrr Metallica! Sadly, I'm gonna have to guess I will have to buy a stock grandfather looking jazz thing, and make it metal. On that note, how about instead of suing everyone, get busy with a modern take on the V as well.

For a company that prides themselves on being the “authentic” brand, they really hate using the right specs 😞

@tonepilot

Жыл бұрын

I think the saying refers to not playing a Chibson.

@theders8590

Жыл бұрын

@@tonepilot I feel like it also infers about people buying brands like ESP or others who use a similar shape to theirs.

@tonepilot

Жыл бұрын

@@theders8590 Agree!

@usuallyclueless4477

Жыл бұрын

​@@theders8590 That's expected when guitars like the ESP EC1000 are way better than any Gibson available.

@theders8590

Жыл бұрын

@@usuallyclueless4477 Even my EC330 played better then this Gibson I tried at Guitar Center for 1500 bucks.

The issue is the price. The reputation alone is what makes the sales, it’s certainly not the quality of the products.

@mallowmarkerdon8144

Жыл бұрын

No I'd say it's the quality, the lame looking woods, the fretwork and binding on my Gibson Les Paul is comparable to high end Squiers. I'm constantly fighting tuning problems even though I use .011's. The reputation will wind down when artists stop playing Gibsons.

@martyshwaartz971

Жыл бұрын

They also need to innovate. At some point the older players are going to start dying, and I see very fewer younger players using them. Fender have its own problems, but at least young people play them still (for now lol)

@TylerJohnstonGuitar

Жыл бұрын

@@mallowmarkerdon8144 They’re built like sub 500 dollar guitars, god forbid they priced them that way though. Heads would explode.

@TylerJohnstonGuitar

Жыл бұрын

@@martyshwaartz971 Gibson is worried about monopolizing the guitar market. Fender at least seems to care about the players. You hardly ever hear about Fender suing someone over a Strat copy.

@lfaf9509

Жыл бұрын

@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Honestly, I think Fender would sue other company's using the same exact reasoning that Gibson does, but Fender lost its first attempt and thus lost its Patents, where Gibson won its first attempt and thus didn't loose its patents. Though Gibson should of lost that first case like Fender did, we can't change history. The outcome of that difference is it seems Fender cares more about players than Gibson does, as Gibson doesn't need to actually compete where Fender does. This also explains why Gibson screws over players more often than Fender does.

Props for the Norlin love! They aren't traditional, but they are beasts in their own right!

@agufish

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! At this point, they're like 50 years old, so I'd say they're at least kind of traditional haha

@Strathias28

6 ай бұрын

Proud owner of a Late Norlin era Flying V, the best Guitar ive ever played.

I love Gibson... and yeah man, both of you are right. Someone at Gibson isn't doing their homework right. But I no longer buy them new because they have gone CRAZY on the price points.... In Canada, in the last 3 years the Standards have gone up $1000!! WTF Gibson?!?!?!?!?!?!? From $2699 before the pandemic to $3700 AINT NO WAY they are worth that.

@jeff3388

Жыл бұрын

Part of that is our dollar being shite, but ya. I love Gibson too but I’m not a trust fund baby, and since everything else here is so overpriced (housing, food, internet) 😢

@Wargasm644

Жыл бұрын

Something is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. Just buy used. There’s a lot of killer deals to be had currently because of a crappy economy.

@dirgmario

Жыл бұрын

funny... in my country, last month, something happened that I never thought I would ever see during my lifetime... Gibsons went down in price!

@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

Жыл бұрын

@@dirgmario man, stop lying!!! 🤣🤣🤣 seems like a miracle. 😆

@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

Жыл бұрын

@@Wargasm644 Yeah, pretty much what I do... but going 1k in less than 3 years for the same exact model is b.s.!

Glad you like the Norlin era Gibsons. As a longtime guitar player (44 years and counting), who had her fair share of Norlin era Gibsons back in the day (they were all that was available to most of us in the 80s), I have quite a bit less reverence for them. I remember in retrospect how bad my Norlin era 70s SG, 70s Les Paul Signature (sort of a ES-335 with a Les Paul lower cutaway, ridiculously skinny neck, and low impedance pickups), '78 Les Paul Special were quality-wise. The SG especially, sounded fantastic, but despite all of my efforts wouldn't stay in tune for more than a song or two. Even the 1980, Howard Roberts Fusion, that was my main gigging guitar for the 90s (even for playing high gains stuff), had its issues - its thin neck (like all of the Gibsons I owned in the 80s & 90s). I don't hang my thumb above the neck or over the fingerboard, I play classical style (thumb behind the neck), courtesy of my uncle (Guitar Generation #2 in the family), who had classical guitar lessons, and instructed me to play in that manner, I always found the thin necks of Norlin era Gibsons to be uncomfortable, but I put up with them. I didn't know any better, and I subscribed to the "thin neck is a fast neck" fallacy (a fast neck, is the neck that feels most comfortable in your hand, making it easier to fly in the freboard), so I put up with it. As of 10 plus years ago, I got fed up with thin necks. Luckily, my 50s spec Les Paul Junior has a neck that is oh so comfy in my hand. I found my Gibson of choice, hopefully Gibson will come to their senses, and make your Gibson of choice (a 70s spec model), like Fender finally ended up doing in the recent times for 70s spec Fender models.

@lolwithme36dd

Жыл бұрын

I got ahold of a 72 SG 1 walnut and yeah the neck is rather thin but it plays great and the one stock pickup sounds fantastic. Glad I did because not only is it a player but it was relatively cheap under 1k with the original case. I am however not a fan of the way Gibson prices their guitars.

I played a 1977 Gibson Les Paul custom in tobacco sunburst, and it was amazing. Such a beautiful guitar, and when my mate bought it, it was cheap

A few years ago I got a factory second 1978 RD Standard bass. Sounded great, looked super cool but I feel like it further contributed to my lower back issues

@stevenhirsekorn3444

Жыл бұрын

Fender weightless strap

i have a 73 LP triumph bass...

Would love to see a 70s LP!

The problem with legacy brands like Gibson and fender, is that they rely too much on their provenance as the selling points. Or their aesthetics. Because for new instruments, the prices they command are pretty ridiculous, given what you actually receive.

Have I played a Norlin era Gibson? Yup! A few, actually. I have owned a 1979 LP Custom since 1996; my first "real" guitar my parents paid 400 or 500 for from a family friend. Lots of first band/punk rock nostalgia with that bad boy, but I really keep it for sentimental reasons. It honestly doesn't hold a candle to my PRS's. Having played a few, Norlin era guitars....just like 70's and 80's Marshall's....vary so much in how they sound. Mine is a very "meh" sounding one. My friend also owns a 79 Custom and it is one of the best guitars I have ever heard or played.

I heard Gibson was in talks with Ace Frehley about doing his black 70s Custom prior to the company restructure, but I recall the Custom Shop Budokan models were fairly close to Norlin specs

@Richtone85

Жыл бұрын

Those guitars turned into another Frampton run. They cut ties with Ace after he asked for 10 of his Burst sig models, then went on national TV and bragged about selling them to fans for 40k each when they weren’t meant to be sold. He was meant to be using them to promote Gibson……..

@tattoo_suit6197

Жыл бұрын

@@Richtone85 that’s what happens when being a screwup no wonder why kiss fired him lmao 😂

@jasonl1942

Жыл бұрын

@Tattoo_suit619 still better than tommy 'Mr splinter' thayer, he's so wooden you get splinters...

@tattoo_suit6197

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonl1942 tbh I’d choose him over ace lol 😂

@jasonl1942

Жыл бұрын

@Tattoo_suit619 thats cool, you can have him.

I was looking for my first, true singlecut little under a year ago. Since a store near me had a ton of Gibsons, I went there first. As much as the vibe was cool, and I quite liked the sound and vibe of the traditional and studio, the thick necks made it physically uncomfortable for me to play them, even the short-ish time in the store. I was lucky enough to find someone selling an effectively new ESP E-II Eclipse, tried it out, instantly fell in love with it, and the neck shape being perfect for my hands was definitely a good part of it. If Gibson actually made 70's reissue Les Pauls, I probably would've gotten hooked on one of those, and Gibson would've won a new customer, but they didn't. And I am absolutely certain that most younger players like me have had similar experiences. Gibson really is missing out on a LOT of potential customers by not making at least truly 70s inspired guitars. I wouldn't need the pancake bodies, I'd even be fine without the volute (although, come on, there's no reason not to have it... it massively increases the guitar's durability) but the neck shape needs to be there. Not to mention, the 70s had awesome looks as well, what's up with that?

@vorpalblades

Жыл бұрын

A volute does nothing to prevent neck breaks. Properly quarter-sawn lumber does.

Ohh that’s what the Sparrowhawk is based on?!

@ScreaminT81

Жыл бұрын

Yep because Gibson kept screwing up his sig models and he left for ESP. Smart move on his part

@antoondevries6646

Жыл бұрын

Heard in a recent interview with capt. Lee on Andertons channel that he is corming out with a mirrored Sparowhawk. ESP RD anyone?

Gibson guitars are average at best. They are playable and sound great, but tuning stability is mid par and the headstock angle makes it prone to accidents. To me, buying a gibson guitar is just buying for tradition or getting nice finishes thats it. There are way more guitars that play better and feel the same with a lower price. from lower harley benton to larry carlton. Gibson makes so stupid decisions to their guitars. They're like the nintendo of guitars but worse. Their older guitars are way better, but the newer ones... you might aswell buy a epiphone.

I'd like to see Gibson raise the quality control. I always wanted a ES-335 so I traded in a Les Paul classic a Ibanez Jiva and a charvel DK-24 and still Paid $1,000 for one. I took it home and couldn't set it up properly. I obsessed for week trying to figure it out. The learned that the nut had to be filed down 2mm and replotted because it was way too high. Then it still didn't play right. Took it back to where I bought it and compared it to the other ones they had there and none of them buzzed ike this one did. We then learned that the neck was also warped. They did agree to return it as a credit but the other es-335 they had some weird stuff going on two and the es-345 was too polite sounding in comparison although same specs. So I ended up with a slash Les Paul that would have been not what I wanted to take three perfect guitars for and pay into. I would have been happier with what I had originally but they were sold already. When I too home the slash guitar I felt some edges on the binding on the neck . Then noticed the binding was cracked from the 12th fret to the neck pickup from fret spout. So it crack the binding in 12 spots if I am counting both sides. So I went back and returned it. Asked for a Les Paul that for $4,000 should be perfect. The told me if I want a perfect guitar that gibson is not the brand for me. That no two colour are the same. No two sound the same and that there is always qc issues especially because of dry climate. But there be a wall of Gibsons where they are all cracked at the bindings due to Brett spout. This never happened to be before. My 2017 les Paul classic never had that nor did my Les Paul customer lite not did Amy previous standard, traditional both sg's and Flying V. So I ended up getting a Friedman Twin Sister. Not buying anymore Gibsons till they figure this stuff out because they are too over priced for the issues and they stress and insomnia I went through for a month on this ordeal. I'm passionate about the brand they are my bucket list guitars. So it is a brand for my but maybe not from the current line up.

@dogpd3

Жыл бұрын

That really stinks. I’m glad it ended well but the es-335 should’ve been literally the dream guitar

I feel this way about Gibson Explorers. Why do I have to go all the way up to a $5,500 Custom Shop guitar just to get a fatter neck? I hate slim taper and Les Pauls just don't do it for me.

EXCELLENT...well done.

Yes gibson seems obsessed with overly fat necks like the management is only in touch with retired dentists

@Ottophil

Жыл бұрын

they are just giving us the necks we want. I hate thin necks and im not retired, or rich. I still have 3 Gibsons

@scramblesthedeathdealer

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the reasons I love Ibanez RGs, the necks feel great.

@Ottophil

Жыл бұрын

@@scramblesthedeathdealeri i traded two RG’s for two gibson SG’s i have zero regrets about either trade

@dookietoon7198

Жыл бұрын

general consenses seems to favor the fat necks more then the skinny ones for gibby players. gibson have the horde what they asked for.

@scramblesthedeathdealer

Жыл бұрын

@@Ottophil That's cool man. To each their own. 🎸

I played a 1973 Les Paul Custom at the Chicago Music Exchange and it was the best guitar ive ever played.

@lambornpeter3922

Жыл бұрын

How spectacular.

SPOT ON!!!

Tea 😮

I own a ‘77 RD Artist. Other than the weird electronics, everything else…and I mean EVERYTHING else about this guitar make it the finest guitar I have ever held in my hands, let alone called my own. And…once I replace the pickups with a set of bare knuckles and replace electronics with standard LP wiring, I’ll have a nice place in the control cavity to keep any extra luggage ☘️

@mpashalian7650

Жыл бұрын

Then like fluff, you just like the body style and neck shape.

@Myoldnameiscringy

Жыл бұрын

@@mpashalian7650 it’s more than that. I like that it’s all maple with an ebony board for high end snappy-ness. I like that it’s a set neck. I like that it’s an offset body which doesn’t neck-dive on me for some reason. I like that it’s nitro finish so that it looks better with age. And I like that it’s 25.5” scale so I can put it in D standard tuning with regular strings and have them not get flubby. I can’t think of any other guitar which accomplishes all those things spec-wise. Dunables come close, but no cigar. Fluff’s Hyperion signature neck-dives like crazy. And the guy from Grizenia seems unfriendly.

@mpashalian7650

Жыл бұрын

@@Myoldnameiscringy and the reissues also do not suffer neck dive, same body style, nitro. I’ve tried the Dunable, Hyperion and gryzenia, and Eastman, agreed just don’t cut it. It looks like you want the scale more than anything else but I honestly don’t see how that’s such a big deal. Considering that RD’s and Explorer’s aren’t weight relieved not using maple actually seems like a good idea since many complained about them being too heavy

Excellent video. Your points were very well-made

If it's any consolation, look for a 2011 Edwards E-LP 110CD QM. Save for the quilted maple top, they were spec'd like a Norlin-era Custom-- Thin neck neck with volute and ebony fingerboard. Dunno if they went all-in on a pancake body or maple neck, and the headstock was slightly bigger than a regular Edwards E-LP (but not overly-so). Unfortunately, 2011 was the only year I've found so far where any E-LP 110CD was spec'd like that.

I've never played a Gibson before...However I do really now like the 70's Gibsons. Fluffs video made me aware of the RD and now I want one. It is annoying though when the best part of a companies history isn't favoured by anyone modern so it gets ignored and left behind

@moniego

Жыл бұрын

Dunable Guitars have the R2 model. i think it's the same and better

@dookietoon7198

Жыл бұрын

yeah i second the dunable r2 or the r2de if your on a budget.

Because they all came off the same production line. The 70s guitars look like the 50s guitars because a mini humbucker fits the P90 route. Retooling costs money and Gibson are too cheap to provide this on their premium products.

My 80 LP standard neck is the best Ive played Gibson needs to figure it out

Yeah, that’s the main reason I sold a Les Paul I owned for a little while, I just prefer thinner necks. That’s why Les Paul Customs were always cooler to me, as they had thinner necks, so I’d definitely be down to see more 70s style Les Paul’s in reproduction, might actually get me to buy a Gibson.

The problem with being a Gibson fan is you also see how much the brand fucks up, but there are just some guitars we either own or played that were FANTASTIC. And so the journey begins of trying to find that same magic in a good Gibson amidst all the disappointment.

Great points. I wish they would reissue a 70's Flying V with 70's style headstock.

Love this

Great vid, where do you buy all of these husks of vintage guitars?

I've only gotten to hold a 70's custom lp and kinda tinker on it for a couple seconds. My local guitar repair guy showed it to me. I want one.

A 1972 Les Paul would normally have a mahogany neck. My 73 has a mahogany neck, (although it was modded before I bought it) It has the volute, which I love, and a pancake body. I love it.

I had a custard yellow custom shop reissue 74 LP. It was a seriously killer guitar... But it was a mix of 70s specs and modern specs. No volute, smaller headstock, no pancake body (I think?), but it had witch hat knobs and the thin U neck. I moved it along in the end. Good points made in the video.

Great article, the `Marauder` was a real surprise as I have one, exactly like the one shown here . Bought in London in 1976 for £210 new. I still own and play it regularly. Now, after a few choice modifications it`s a real talking point at gig`s , especially as i`ve had it from new. It has most definitely paid for itself several times over.

I’m with you on this. I commented on Fluffs vid too. They reissue a guitar but the specs are all wrong and although it “looks” like the original, the feel is all off. The 2007 84’ Exp reissue is another. The body was wrong, the materials were off, but the price was sure bloated enough. Now people have the gaul to ask 4-5k for them? Pass! I’ll just buy an original for that money. Love my 74’ LPC, but Gibson isn’t gonna do it true to spec.

I've been waiting ages for my adam jones standard, I pray it comes safe and well made for what I paid to get in AUS

I’ve got a Norlin era LP Custom with the Tim Shaw PAF’s. That guitar slays. I also had the pleasure of playing a friend’s ‘76 LP Custom and that guitar is the reason I fell in love with the Norlin LP’s. I’ve had quite a few newer LP’s and they don’t even come close. I’m also a huge fan of the RD and it’s just a damn shame they don’t reproduce that one with the original specs, 25.5” scale and all. The reissues are cool and absolutely shred, but as you said, it would be nice to see Gibson show the Norlin era some love. It’s time.

@Racoldgin

Жыл бұрын

I previously owned an 81 LP Custom Silverburst that I have regretted selling about 15 yrs ago. It had Tim Shaws in it and it sounded fantastic. I currently own a 76 LP Custom in Red Wine. It has T Tops in it, and the pickups and neck profile are out of this world. Even blows away the Silverburst. I will never sell the 76.

People can say what they want about Gibson, but between reviewing my 50s Standard and a core model custom 24, I’m realizing that they’re entirely different guitars and the 24 will never be my Gibson in terms of feel and playability. It’s an excellent guitar and plays how I expect it to every time. The PRS is also a great guitar and is perfect at what it’s capable of, but I’m understanding how they’re incredibly different guitars now.

Wow! I guess I started hanging out in my local music store when Gibson was owned by Norlin. I remember when ALL of these models came out and were hung on the wall. I couldn't afford any of them but my best friend managed to get The Paul. [Wonder if he still has it]. I was in love with that S1.

I also bought a beat up The Paul husk, simply because I was intrigued by the walnut body. It's so different from every other Gibson out there: thin neck, low and wide frets, unique sound. And yes, a deep black ebony fretboard. Works like a charm with a 57 Classic+/57 Classic pair. Fantastic, very playable axe, and still one of my favourites. The reissue wasn't bad at all, but yes, the fretboard change was a bummer. To me, the RD Artist 40th anniversary "Reissue" was an unofficial Ghost signature guitar, right before they signed with Hagstrom. Not really an attempt to recapture the quirky originals. I like mine and appreciate the screaming, very uncommon GEM active pickups as a kind of nod to the original's active electronics. In terms of playability though, it's more or less a 90s and up SG, not a 70s RD.

I have owned a few Norlin L6s, i still have one and my 70s tribute gets some of it right, it has the neck shape, the headstock angle, the volute and the Big 70s headstock but no pancake body, still im not complaining its a low end Gibby that comes very close.

OMG Speaking of the Norlin-era walnut The Paul . . . I played one at a local store a few months ago, and keep in mind that I have two gibson les pauls of my own, but that thing must have weighed FIFTEEN pounds. It was unplayable. I STILL can't believe how heavy that thing was.

I would love to see Epiphone get in the ring as a 70s experimental run. 59 les Pauls are cool but the 70s had so many cool specs! They can at least give it a shot along with having artist signatures like Dave Grohl or even John Sykes who had a 70s custom

As a fan of the Norlin era I couldn’t agree more! I would have bought a current production standard or custom with Norlin specs in a heart beat but they made their “T-type” pickup (modern copy of 70s T-top) impossible to get unless you got a CME exclusive SG or ES-335 as no other guitar had them and you couldn’t buy them separately until now and only the LP tribute has a maple neck. I was fortunate to track down a real 1976 Black Beauty Custom at a reasonable price and it’s my favorite guitar but the lack of Norlin specs is def an issue in their line up. I’m itching to try the Adam Jones Epiphone which is the closest modern production Norlin inspired LP I’ve seen so far.

My ‘73 SG Standard has a one piece mahogany body, ebony fretboard and real mother of pearl inlays. A reissue of those specs would be expensive, but super cool. Also the neck is slim and narrow, which I love.

I bought a 'The SG', also in Walnut, (in the 70s). It was an incredible guitar which I unfortunately sold to get married (it happens to most of us!). Of all my guitars owned over that last 50 years, that is the one that I miss most!

Also had a ‘80 wine red deluxe with the mini microphones, if it wasn’t perfectly original I would’ve routed the thing for humbuckers. The neck was heavenly like you mentioned, very ESP-esque

I had a ebony 1974 LP standard when I was in Germany back in 1984 bought it for $500. Sold it for $500. Bought a Kramer, Striker for $250. with the original Floyd Rose ( no fine tuners or locking nut) modified it with locking nut and FR with fine tuners and a DiMarzzio super distortion but changed that to a Seymour Duncan JB trembucker and still have it to this day. But I do regret letting go of that LP because it was a player and sounded awesome and looked awesome too. Plus it was from that era of manufacturing at Gibson that has vanished from existence.

Get a Dunable R2 if you want an RD(25.5” scale length) without overpaying. The US ones are pricey, but the DE series is great for the money. Also, good plug for the ridge wallet. I usually get annoyed by ads getting worked into videos, but I have one and love it lol. I feel targeted.

I have an original 74 les paul custom and it’s unbelively great. I just can’t buy more guitars because every time I find some guitar I like I jus go Nah, I already have the best :)

I’ve got a custom shop Les Paul blue sparkle with an insanely thin neck. Not quite Ibanez Wizard thin, but the thinnest I’ve seen on any Les Paul. It’s a killer guitar. I usually prefer my ESP Eclipses. But I’ve got a few Gibson’s that really kick ass. And as much as I like Ibanez, Schecter, ESP, LTD, Dean or Fender…nothing sounds like a Les Paul. For all their faults, and gripes, they have a vibe that can’t be replicated. And when you find one you mesh with, you become a believer. I like Gibson. Even with all their beard stroker pretentiousness. They make a great guitar.

My first lessons were on a '76 Custom back when I started in 1990. That's been the unicorn for me ever since. Simply can't bring myself to drop the coin and when I was younger, I simply didn't have the cash. As for necks, I have a '70s tribute SG and that thing has the chunkiest neck of my entire collection with no volute. You're right, why? I hadn't thought of it but yeah, why?

I have an '81 Les Paul Custom that's an AMAZING guitar (not as amazing as my '06 Goddess, but still very nice). It doesn't have the pancake body, but it does have the volute and maple neck (and Shawbuckers!). I paid $2500 for it in fair player-grade condition (it just needed a refret...JUMBO STAINLESS, BABY!). Gibson needs to have a Les Paul N...a Les Paul Custom platform with the 3 piece maple neck with the volute, thin profile, and T-Top or Tim Shaw pickups to get the mid-70s to early 80s vibe.

It's always been difficult for me to understand people why people are so mad at Gibson since I've always been in love with my SG ..... But then I remember I paid 950€ for it brand new in 2013 not the high prices they are trying to sell today and I understand it 😂.....

@dookietoon7198

Жыл бұрын

yeah but all guitars have gone up massively in price not just gibson =( guitars 15 years ago that were 1800 bucks are now like 4 grand

@eduardogarciapujol9591

Жыл бұрын

@@dookietoon7198 yeah dude , a friend of mine wanted to buy a Mexican tele the other day and the prices are surreal....

If anything they should have carried over from the 70s is the maple neck that came on the guitars, should be standard on all of their models today. Having a maple neck would help minimize the neck breaks that seem to occur alot.

AGufish, one of your best reviews--I learned a lot .

@agufish

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I aim to educate

Well said. I really like the Norlin stuff. Maple necks, maple bodies, Schaller hardware, nice pickups. I am a big fan of the RD and Victory series (both guitar and bass), the L-5S, the G3 bass, Explorer E2, Les Paul Artisan, Chet Atkins CE. The new Gibson under CE Curleigh (well now Cesar) is not better than the Henry J era. They discontinued the Jazz boxes instead to go another route to make smaller body new models like a slightly bigger Les Paul body and venetian cutaway (similar to the Heritage Millenium) and with a bridge on a stripe of ebony, an L-5 tailpiece, gold hardware and fancy inlay and binding work, some new shapes. But instead, they put out lots of Les Paul and SG, V and Explorer in multiple variations. They have a Custom Shop but only offer few options, though I read that they advertise that you can come up with your own body design. It might cost between 7 and 10 grand, lots of money for the average play, but not that much considering their recent prices.

If I was not subbed, I would have subbed just by that sub joke alone LOL

I think it probably would cost more to make a pancake style reissue than it's worth. As far as moving the RD's jack off the top to the side: I'm all for it. But the main feature of the 25 1/2" scale should have been left alone.

Favorite Les Paul i ever grabbed - a late Norlan era Les Paul Custom. Felt great and played great. Neck was unlike most Gibsons I’ve felt (in a good way).

All I ever wanted while learning guitar was a silverburst Gibson custom but now even with the means to get one it's impossible to justify it. Even their "budget" range considering how little they care about feedback from the community

@eldirtyfaygo5395

10 ай бұрын

Heritage, or eastern brands are making old school Gibson type guitars.

I had a '78 RD standard Bass, it was massive in every .... weigh! I loved the way it sounded, "huge" is an understatement. But I hated how heavy it was and never got along with how it played. The latter of which I just learned the reason for from this very video! A 34 and HALF inch scale length, no wonder I didn't like playing it...give me a shorty any day. Anyway sold it way to little back in '08.

I bought a black SG last year new and it’s a great guitar. I love that thing.

So I guess to keep playing the ESP eclipse until the correct reissues happen?

I bet they will put out a more authentic 70s standard line soon, they have to know there’s a high demand.

I have quite a few Gibson Sonex models from the Norlin-Era and they are my most favorite guitars I own.

I would to see more 70's specs Gibson re-issues. Like those SG standards with smaller pickguard, smaller block inlays and pickup placement more similar to Les Paul.

Great video and all, but that “17435% of y’all aren’t subscribed” is what actually just made me subscribe

@agufish

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Unbelievable (but true) fact

I had been waiting for Gibson to reissue the Marauder for ages. They could also compete in a lower price range with the bolt on neck. I gave up waiting so just made my own Marauder. My DIY is now one of my favourite guitars.

I have a ‘79 The Paul and I regret not buying a second one when they were still cheap

@Forest_Fifer

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I saw one in an Edinburgh 2nd hand shop for £200 in 1983, but I was a skint student and couldn't afford it. It kills me now.

Cool, I owned a “The Paul” in the mid ‘70s - early ‘80s. I bought mine New in ‘76 and Loved it! Cheers from Salem, Ohio.

I agree to a certain degree, when they reissue something they should make no compromises and there are some cool 70s features like the volute, neck angle and the neck thickness, but wouldnt those specs acknowledge that their guitars leave the factory with a flawed design? (A volute exists so a neck doesnt break when falling) That said i dont want to see pancake bodies ever again and the rd jack output location sucks as much as the knobs layout, they should have the knobs and switch location like on a late model gibson invader, with the toggle switch above and between the neck volume and the bridge volume knob

100%. I’m very frustrated too. I’m sure people would appreciate original specs. plenty of other reissues if you have different preferences

I have a 78 Deluxe and I couldn't agree more about that part of the video. I tried a 70's Deluxe Reissue in a guitar center and it basically felt like a 50's neck LP with mini humbuckers in it. Not a big deal, just a little disappointing.

Gibson have great guitars but got rid of my Les Paul since wasn't feeling the ergos & weight, and got rid of my SG cos it never held its tuning, even after redoing the nut. Love their colors (faded pelham 🤤). Love their finishes (big fan of nitro). And I think their stock pickups are underrated. But I prefer other brands for their playability. Price is very high but so is PRS. And I've been seeing made in China and Indonesia for over $1.2k pretty often nowadays. All guitar prices have been going up! I am a Fender fan boy though and have always appreciated their MIM being affordable and quality

i own a 1976 wine red Les Paul Custom and I totally agree!

I dig what your saying man, that like how I feel about fender CBS, I have a 72 CBS bassman, the thing is a tank for one, two it sounds awesome, and three, it's still all original components lol I just hit it right I guess

Same with studios. I’ve got a beautiful 2003in desert burst

I used to love Gibson but I would never give them my money these days.

I have two Norlin era Gibsons in on long term loan from a friend of mine, and I can agree the necks are super fucking quick. Out of the 2 (72 SG and 74 LPC 20th anniversary) the 72 SG tends to be the guitar I reach for the most.

Funny I sent Gibson a tweet not long ago about this very subject. I even left a list of specs not too far off from yours. Are they listening?

I wish they made more guitars with Floyds. I have an Epiphone Flying V with a floyd and it was difficult to find.

New Gibson guitars aren’t always worth the high ticket price. A used Les Paul is one of the best guitars you could purchase today. I’ve got two lightly used Les Paul customs that were significantly cheaper than other used high end guitars like PRS, Jackson, ESP, and Charvel. As a lefty I didn’t have many brands to choose from but Gibsons, especially those past the 2018 era are some of the best quality guitars today.

Dude I have a 72 Les Paul Deluxe that will be buried with me if I have anything to say about it 😐

as a bass player i want a not 4000$ vintage firebird bass to come back. the ONLY ones gibson and their companies have is an epi thats roughly a grand and custom shop gibson which is rather annoying. heard good on the grabber and would like to try one but the price point to even think about it is hilarious

I personally don't see any issue with changing the specs of a reissued guitar if they offer another one with the original specs. That way, everyone's happy. Maybe it's me against the world there, I dunno

When I watched fluff’s video I instantly thought of you. Glad you made this follow up to it.

I bought my first Gibson in the 70s , man I'm getting old! So no surprise the Norlin area is my favorite era, All the different wild looking and sounding guitars , the XPL Explorers etc etc etc etc so so many , like the music the 70s and 80s guitars were the best.. I recently picked up one of the reissue 70s deluxe LP's and while it isn't an actual 70s spec guitar it is nice , don't regret buying it at all. Would love to see Gibson do some honest reissues of the Les Pauls from the 70s but there is so much more from that era they could make and toss out to see how it does.. It's one of those things of they won't really know how they will sell until they build a few and put them out there , come on Gibson make some and see!!

I like that you can get 10-20 year old great playing no neck dive SG standards all day every day for LTD 1000 prices from some guy who never took it out of the case, but everything else they make is not worth. Luckily I have become a big fan of the SG and sold most of my single cuts.

Volutes would sell me on Epiphone and Gibson. Without them, no deal.

A part of me empathises with your frustration, but I do wonder how significant the groundswell of interest in Norlin-era specs for let’s say the 70s Les Paul would be. If I were a business like Gibson, I’d wait for the clamour to be pretty damn deafening before I took action because it take a lot of time and effort to first identify a “definitive” neck profile, re-Programme the CNC and prototype out what may be only a product for a passing fad. Another way to look at it is: “hmm why would I want to bother with a mid-level product when ESP and all the other ‘cloners’ have that covered, when I can just stick to my regular 50s and 60s models which are proven to sell”. Again, I get the frustration, but is there a significant mass of demand to justify the deviation? I’d love to see numbers first.

Love my original 79 standard with T-tops

He missed the mark, and you only think that because he didn’t asked for rolled edges, stainless frets, fishman pups and an evertune 😂😂😂😂😂

@agufish

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😂 😂

@NoQuadsNoMasters

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@@agufish btw, that was said in jest… not hatred

@agufish

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Nah, I gotchu lol. I thought it was funny because that's definitely my main feedback in general

Price. That's the biggest problem with Gibson. For less than half the money you can have a guitar of equal quality.

@Wargasm644

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That’s 100% true. But nothing sounds or feels like a Gibson Les Paul. I have schecters and ESP’s that are flawless. But nothing comes close to matching the brutality of my Gibson Les Paul Custom. Different tools for different jobs. My ESP’s are like scalpels. Precise and deadly. My Gibson’s are like sledgehammers or wrecking balls. Equally as deadly, just in a different way. Their inconsistencies is what makes them unique. Warts and all. It just depends on what you like. I’ve got a 200$ Squier that sits proudly amongst my guitars that cost 25 times as much. Play what you like. Play what you can afford. As long as you play, that’s all that matters.

Get Harley Benton to do norlen era speced builds... Would love a baritone RD

Norlin era have been about the only Gibsons I’ve ever liked except for a gold top tribute I picked up a few years ago but didn’t buy it Gibson homers hate Norlin era Gibsons , but at least from my experience people who typically don’t like Gibsons like the Norlin era Gibsons, they are the non Gibson guys Gibsons the only Gibsons I’ve played I liked have been 70s but it’s like classic cars everyone wanted a 67-69 camaro eventually they all got bought up and restored and the prices went up so then people got into the 70s f bodies because they were affordable and now try finding a decent split bumper for less than 30k same thing with guitars I think some of the 80s Gibsons are going up in value. I’m with you though how about a pancake body maple neck studio custom in the 1500 dollar range ? I would think that would be cheaper on materials maybe ?