...I just got an ad for an ad blocker.

@SEApodEErman

5 жыл бұрын

it's called youtube premium

@slash7303

5 жыл бұрын

Ironic eh lol

@WyvernApalis

4 жыл бұрын

Curb your adblock

@truth2424

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@borrero-md1196

4 жыл бұрын

i get ads for youtube on youtube like... 2 o 3 times a day. Not as ironic but man does it look as a desperate means to have u purchase youtube premium haha

Watching this in 2020 and seeing the old prices of those m.2 ssd’s is crazy. The 960 pro is something like 190 bucks now, not $607! What a difference two years make.

@Theunihornable

Жыл бұрын

2 years later and now a very good NVME SSD 1TB is only 100 bucks

@realSirDextrose

11 ай бұрын

@@Theunihornable months later it’s more like $50 to 60. I got a 2TB for $80

@MigatteNoJack

11 ай бұрын

​@@Theunihornableyeah exactly. it's kinda crazy

@justacollegestudent5147

9 ай бұрын

@@Theunihornableone year later a top of the line 2tb is $110. Like super top of the line.

@justacollegestudent5147

9 ай бұрын

@@realSirDextroseI paid $110 for mine but it’s close to the best. Literally top 5 ssd you can get in all benchmarks. You can get really good ssd cheap now. I was looking at a 4tb 4.5gb by 3gb reads nvme WITH DRAM and only $160 for mass storage. Not the best brand but also an okay one at least.

This doesnt look like a consumer product...really it makes more sense for a database environment where reduced latency could help get more IOPS.

@thedoc2994

5 жыл бұрын

Taylord Tech Well, IOPS represents better real-world performance than sequential read/write.

@xhighalert

5 жыл бұрын

This is exactly it, and it's flying over his head. These SSDs are for Queue depth 1. And they're fucking AMAZING for things like ZFS intent log, where you really badly need assinine-fast, power-loss-protected storage, and only need maybe 2-5 gb of it.

@jonahhillert3291

5 жыл бұрын

Taylord Tech exactly what it is. This guy doesn’t understand lol

@jcourtes

5 жыл бұрын

Most enterprise class databases run in memory

@elksalmon84

4 жыл бұрын

Now get back 10 years ago and ask same question for SSD vs HDD. Mind Optane is just 3 times as expensive. In few generations Optane will kill SSD, as SSD can't store data for long without electricity and Optane have higher endurance rate.

For me that's exactly what I was looking for! I'm doing machine learning on my 32gb of RAM machine but I run out of memory very often. Using the 58gb 800P as swap will be perfect!!

Yay! NOW I can open my word files 1 second earlier!!!!

@jesperbouw7994

6 жыл бұрын

ifUreadthisURalien for Just 200 dollars 😂

@navjotsingh2251

6 жыл бұрын

For someone busy as me I would love to open word documents and other applications faster because those seconds add up all together and can save a lot of time!!!!!

@DrunkTalk

6 жыл бұрын

you only have to open word 562 times to make up for watching this video and then you start saving 1 second at a time, that almost as good as crypto ROI!

@somehowoptional2501

6 жыл бұрын

If - for whatever reason - your daily workload consists of opening +10 docs simultaneously every x minutes - yes, you can save up to x seconds... ...which apparently is _a lot of time_

@gamerdweebentertainment1616

5 жыл бұрын

This exactly what I understood, so... it's for people who do a lot of tasks on PC??? Can't think of a workplace where you would need that, maybe as a business PC.

Just gonna buy 500gb ssd in summer and call it a day. I'll check that Intel stuff in 2023

@bradhaines3142

6 жыл бұрын

FeTi Productions i plan to get 1tb so it lasts long enough to make it to 2023

Optane is an Intel/Micron cooperative that is intended for big server farms for much faster I/O's. It's a means to supplement the need for much more DRAM in a smaller space. Creating a consumer product out of it is just a simple way for them to take the existing 3DXPoint modules and make some more profit. The tech is still maturing, but I wouldn't be surprised if we still don't see noteworthy performance increases even in Gen 2.

The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM. Also that latency helps a lot with this. As a regular SSD it isn't very good because that's not what it's supposed to do. I think it's more of a server part than consumer part.

@chrisedwards3866

6 жыл бұрын

TitelSinistrel you are better than 99.9% of the comments here, and you got it exactly right. It works best as a midpoint between RAM and storage, and on servers there is a lot of demand for that midpoint.

@DalaiLamaOnCrack

6 жыл бұрын

Basically this. Level1tech guys did their piece on optane drives with a bit more focus on databases, those things being already optimized for file system interactions. In short, you wont get any perfomance for your games or adoobees, but will save up a small fortune in RAM prices on your databasd server.

@bobsagget823

6 жыл бұрын

Nice regurgitation of intel PR bullshit. If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing? An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will.

@nicknevco215

6 жыл бұрын

does not the page file with enough memory get to be really useless, only used for operating not program dependent data storage.

@hehefunnysharkgoa9515

6 жыл бұрын

"An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will." £329 Optane: 3640 TBW £310 Flash SSD: 1000 TBW Even a super-expensive 2tb flash SSD is going to get a peak of 2500TBW, whereas the 480gb Optane is ~6500TBW. Though I will agree on the capacity/price at the moment. Intel needs to drop those prices hard. Kind of difficult when the tech doesn't have much appeal and demand at the moment. "If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing?" That isn't write endurance, that's hardware failure. I don't know how you're confusing the two since they're dramatically different concepts. "The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM." The write endurance isn't actually the main feature of Optane, it's more of a neat side-effect than anything.The main feature of Optane is the 6~8us (6000~8000ns) read latency and 15us write latency. This is compared to NAND SSD's read of ~150+us and write of ~800+us. For swap space alone this is immensely useful, but you could imagine the impact it could also have on VMs, caching, large buffers, etc etc.

Thank you for re-enabling the option Linus. Will start writing subtitles as normally.

@Codewow

6 жыл бұрын

Some people are just nice and can type quickly.

@Malta-fn9wf

6 жыл бұрын

No. Volunteer work. Just to contribute to this channel as it helped me a lot, so why not help him back?

@leexgx

6 жыл бұрын

Some people are actually deaf and the google auto translate audio to text is not perfect, so not really a waste of time

@dorupero

6 жыл бұрын

Nice people do nice things

@thesmashtvnetwork

6 жыл бұрын

your selfish for sayng that as aperson that can not hear that well i benfit from it and those that add sub make me so happy

I think this SSD can put my Dyson into RAID 0

@johndoe1220

6 жыл бұрын

LeBeautiful Nigga I see you everywhere

@omkar4975

6 жыл бұрын

Modafakrr I'm still using Pentium 3 Procesar for counter strike: condiction zero I don't have $hit money to buy a low end PC 😤 im pro Gamer

@lucasrem

6 жыл бұрын

LeBeautiful This SSD? What SSD? Gamer's.....Linus, remove this chat crap section please!!!

@internettroll7497

6 жыл бұрын

Yo lebaldy

@JaySmith-cd1ln

6 жыл бұрын

Take your filthy upvote :)

Thankyou for this one! I was just considering adding one of these to my new build. Looks like I'll be saving a few dollars for now.

OMG transition so smooth you got me again

I'd be interested in seeing a build with only 8 gigs of ram and a 118 GB pagefile on Optane.

@ABaumstumpf

6 жыл бұрын

When the optane DIMMs are out than that might work. but via PCIe? Well, you'd need a massive Raid0 and still have huge delays.

@Phoboskomboa

6 жыл бұрын

I've seen pagefile based systems tested with regular SSDs when they were new. They sorta worked. This has much lower latency. I'm just curious to see how it goes.

@Phoboskomboa

6 жыл бұрын

That too. I'm actually not sure what the minimum amount of ram you can get Windows to boot with is these days. I didn't want to low-ball it so much that it couldn't boot. Do they even make 2GB ram sticks anymore?

@ABaumstumpf

6 жыл бұрын

With some tweaking you can get Win10 64bit to run with 1 GB, but 2GB is the official minimum. with other versions you can get it to be far smaller even.

@Phoboskomboa

6 жыл бұрын

In that case, I'm all for it. Good call. Linus should do this build.

As you can see at 3:07 118GB is barely enough space to even run benchmarks.

@issyfidds2314

6 жыл бұрын

yeah your right

@mz-pd5hw

6 жыл бұрын

Windows is not the only OS, by the way, may be the product is not designed with Windows in mind, that's probably why is not black with skulls and gamer stamped everywhere in the box. Could be used for cache or non Windows boot drives. My whole OS with programs takes 18GB, with more care would be less.

@ouwkyuha

6 жыл бұрын

mz2281694 ofc it's not windows alone, they were benchmarking.

@lucasrem

6 жыл бұрын

Pischke Performance Linus and Pischke, it's not a storage device! Use the cloud for storage, local files, why? You are all 1995 people, first installing DOS, then Windows on top, that was 1995! Now we just boot now using some local crap for that only, I/O sys, command com?

@runescapefan0001

6 жыл бұрын

Lol that drive is FULL

I could see the 800P being useful for temporary files. It could cache web pages or intermediate files if you're chaining applications.

Interesting info on this! Thanks Linus!

Will it run TunnelBear more efficiently?

@hydrochloricacid2146

6 жыл бұрын

TB was recently acquired by Macaffee, so nothing can run it now

@koicflakesykh4658

6 жыл бұрын

eh seah la good one

@LasOrveloz

6 жыл бұрын

SMGJohn Tunnelbear was bought from intel by McAfee like week or two ago. so I'd expect it to be a bloated adware/malware piece of crap by the end of month.

@Zoranurai13

6 жыл бұрын

LasOrveloz isn’t mcafee part of intel?

@LasOrveloz

6 жыл бұрын

joris yauw only partly, Intel has 49% while the rest of tthe 51% is between TPG group and Thoma Bravo LLC

0:46 Tunnel bear: oh so this is who you chose over me? Linus: you aren't the same anymore :(. Tunnel bear: oh i see how it is. Cable mode: Linus got tired of you, now leave. tunnel bear: well i am happier with mcafee now anyway.

@nimoy007

6 жыл бұрын

Godly MangoMC Do you feel better getting that little narrative off your chest?

@youtuberobbedmeofmyname

6 жыл бұрын

nice fan fic bro. my mcm would cry to this

@mdd1963

6 жыл бұрын

Perhaps it was just a 1 year contract w/ TunnelBear? :)

@Slepepe

6 жыл бұрын

tunnelbear LUL

@KaozVirtus

6 жыл бұрын

Mcafee is trash 😂

Kinda good video a bit of a dead end on some important points and unsolved mysteries but still very good that there is someone to do all this and say all this. So keep it up.

The response time may be very good in specific use cases. Caching of course or general databases may show significant gains.

Does it run Dyson?

@CompproB237

6 жыл бұрын

Nah, it doesn't suck enough. It's got the price right though.

@davidkrocks

6 жыл бұрын

good question. I will answer this question After this message from cablemod...

@llothar68

6 жыл бұрын

Can it keep a copy of Star Citizen ? No :-(

@SJ-dm1ls

6 жыл бұрын

Son IQ Bükücü İlber Ortaylı what's this joke about

@claudiolluberes111

6 жыл бұрын

SJ About how a lot of people hated the recent Dyson video.

cablemods: extra thicc cables

@logan_kes

6 жыл бұрын

Parker Rose thiccc*

@adityakshirsagar5383

6 жыл бұрын

Wrong it's T.H.I.C.C

@rexevans100

6 жыл бұрын

Parker Rose aku: EXTRA THICC

@hyziu

6 жыл бұрын

T H I C C

Love the kitchen setup

Happy to see a kitchen style backdrop/ground. Feels like the oldies LTT videos.

Kitchen :D

@exploding2904

6 жыл бұрын

wtf xD

@luminescentlion

6 жыл бұрын

Nostalgia for the old studio

@gasper5223

6 жыл бұрын

They could bake some eggs on a gtx 480

@confusedkemono

6 жыл бұрын

fake bananas :D

@Danirio96

6 жыл бұрын

I'm the only one who's tired of the terrible acting of Dennis, Ed, etc ?

Virtual machines... :) In large networks it is very common to have lots of people ask for small bits of data. These data switches so fastly that normal ssd's would not be able to process it. also it will kill there writing speeds. Also something like a router might use these speeds to keep a cache of the proxy making it easier to serve more data, what also changes a lot. :) The last one i can think off is for services as a drive that will cache system images for sending around the network, these files are often stored on large drives but if used with EXSI he might be able to transfer these files to this drive for easy access. >>> think this to itpeernetwork.intel.com/configuring-vmware-esxi-benchmarking-intel-optane-ssd/

@JamesDoud

6 жыл бұрын

It definitely seems that this drive was designed for low latency throughput, that should tell you right away that it is for networks. This would be good in a thin client set up where the data is served through the network. In large campus setups this would be great, and the price to speed ratio would be justified, as for Admin, time is money, and latency is the biggest killer of time. I do not think this is built for the consumer market, it does not make any sense for that market. It also is not good for heavy load apps like games and video processing, so that makes sense that it would be marketed to the server/thin client networks like shopping centers, universities, big call centers, government offices, that sort of thing.

@Johanneslol11

6 жыл бұрын

:) Yes though for tin clients the data throughput inside the network is the biggest bottleneck. If i look at my job place, using this makes more sense with EXSI live migration for example. Where you move one virtual machine from one server location to the other without downtime. This will take serious impact on the disk, even it does not go offline. Also the things like the database are not running on these virtual machines but are separate. For consumers this makes no sense like you said, you would not notest a difference between 1 or two seconds less. Edit: check this website to, it clearly shows it market > www.tweaktown.com/articles/8096/intels-optane-debut-dc-p4800x-3d-xpoint-ssd/index.html

@TheAguydude

6 жыл бұрын

I'm skeptical about this being useful for VMs. The VM host doesn't need much disk, so it can mostly sit around in ram. The guest hard drives are too large for this approach to be cost effective. Maybe if your system is based heavily around micro-services and docker, but even then I'd be a bit skeptical. The kinds of people who run systems like that probably want a ton of RAM, at which point having this drive doesn't matter. I can almost see it for routers, but I routers like cost-cutting too much for this to be viable any time soon.

@2drealms196

6 жыл бұрын

Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files.

@stefanl5183

6 жыл бұрын

"Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files." Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Samsung 960 Pro SSD is the king in the castle!

@TheDragonFire123

6 жыл бұрын

...For consumers.

@robbeandredstone7344

5 жыл бұрын

No, kings ston is.

@FatherManus

5 жыл бұрын

Nope, Samsung 970 EVO Plus is king.

@Kabelman

3 жыл бұрын

not even close optane is insanely fast in iops, espacially optane dc persistent memory. He did not test it for its purpose database speed

I'm getting amped to argue why Optane needs to live on, instead of being discontinued. It's not market viable in its DIMM form, but as storage it's bananas, and from what I've seen from some Level1Tech videos, it's kind of scraping against some limitations of Windows itself, and even Linux when pushed hard enough in its modern P5800x incarnation. It really makes me wonder, had they marketed it better, and made products that would make more sense to the average prosumer, and had it got the traction it needed to get that far, would it have gotten lower level Windows support alongside big.little when Windows 11 updated. I've seen the productivity improvements that a spot of ramdisk nets you, and now I've got an Optane drive for PrimoCache on the way now too. It's kind of silly to me to hear techtubers shrug about high end storage and high capacity RAM when talking about productivity. Most of the time just showing benchmark drag races without telling viewers that half of productivity work is moving tons of files around, and not waiting around for renders. It's basically increasing the FPS of Windows Explorer.

He put that hard drive back so softly. It’s probably already been dropped countless times.

Large code compile times might be an interesting benchmark to do on a SSD.

thanks for the subtitles

I can see this being useful for a development workspace disk given the latency. It would help with loading and building a project with thousands of small individual files.

Is no one going to talk about the *hiss* in the audio?

@marashah.ibrahim

6 жыл бұрын

Mever expected something like that from someone as professional as Linus.

@AggBaddie

6 жыл бұрын

it was just released

@Debaucus

6 жыл бұрын

Major hiss in this one.

@afc8981

6 жыл бұрын

There's a snake in your machine.

@hiro9001

6 жыл бұрын

do you mean the white noise?

Finally "on fleek" is gonna die out :D Im so glad thx Linus

@NebRetalsJr

6 жыл бұрын

Knife Ivan It never lived. Never heard of it.

@Matt-ir1ky

6 жыл бұрын

Pfft. Benny Slater never heard of your slang? Dudn't even exist, son.

@TANMAN9095

6 жыл бұрын

I am twenty two.

@gabrieldavid7328

6 жыл бұрын

C R 13.

I bought the 960 Pro M.2 for my build. My coworker's son found a gaming PC already built on Newegg around Christmas that had the Optane. I talked him out of that one and I built him a PC and used Crucial's M.2. I haven't checked lately but Crucial had some rockin prices around Christmas.

i really like your new kitchen set, but can you please use a tripod for your red camera it is really noticeable. also i don't think optane is at a viable price now because of nand storage prices now so high

@slash7303

5 жыл бұрын

I didnt notice it till I read your comment but now its really bugging me lol

I have an Intel 600p NVMe as my boot drive, my Samsung 960 EVO is 3 times faster. I bought the 32GB Optane module as soon as it came out, turns out Intel SSDs are not supported by Optane. It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again.

@SpecialEDy

6 жыл бұрын

Add to that, anytime the BIOS is flashed or reset, Optane deletes the partitions on all the drives since it is RAID, and they have to be recovered on a separate machine. It took 3 times of me formatting and reinstalling windows to figure out recovering the partitions because of Optane.

@ABaumstumpf

6 жыл бұрын

*" It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again."* Well - really? You Fucked up. And those 2 SSDs don't really compete when the Intel SSD is nearly 100$ cheaper - of course it is slower. intel SSDs aren't the best price/performance, but here it is your fault and yours alone.

@SpecialEDy

6 жыл бұрын

ABaumstumpf the Intel 600p is more expensive than the Samsung 960 EVO...

@twoUTF

6 жыл бұрын

No

@antraxbeta23

6 жыл бұрын

waw you bought a intel optane module to speed up a ssd xD , GJ you failed @ tech

This would be a fantastic time to show live tests of real usage of page file as exclusive RAM replacement. I have been unable to find much in searches. With the idea of Optane as a low-latency storage, why not disable RAM and force all memory usage through the 3D Xpoint SSD? Pit it against other storage devices and see if any of them even work at all. One guy on Tom's Hardware was able to play GTA V (albeit horribly) with RAM limited to 2GB and with a SATA3 SSD page file. If that works, what could you do with an Optane page file? If this already exists, I would appreciate a link to that demonstration.

@chrisedwards3866

6 жыл бұрын

Diamondragan it's probably possible, and IMHO is one of the better ways to demonstrate how fast it really is without boring people to sleep with charts. Hopefully someone does exactly that test. But for the GTA example I'd have some concern over if/how it was also using video memory. It's not a good business-case demonstration, but it's a great way to grab attention and make people realize that it has new capabilities that older technology couldn't offer.

@aaron552au

6 жыл бұрын

Pages on disk are inaccessible until they are copied back to RAM, so it's not possible to replace RAM with a swap file (it's impossible by definition). If the Optane device does MMIO, then it might be possible to use it as a RAM replacement, but most PCIE devices don't have large MMIO regions, if any, and I don't think Windows is designed to be able to use MMIO regions as RAM.

@hanro50

6 жыл бұрын

Windows being closed source is a bottleneck here and I doubt Microsoft will waste money on a niche platform which might require complete rewrites to central operating files. You'd have to basically fork your own Linux destro to get some form of OS running on that setup. Might be fantastic for remote computers that have to continue working even if they suffer power failure

Love your honesty.

for anyone wondering, the track in the intro is Skeewiff & Syd Dale - First Steps

Intel must have hired the genius from Microsoft that thought the Windows 8 GUI was a good idea.

@lextr3110

6 жыл бұрын

i'm sure Microsoft kept the idiot and gave him a promotion.. hahaha

@eriksvensson2098

6 жыл бұрын

vampov I for one enjoyed win 8. Compared to 10 it feels miles better

@chrisedwards3866

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, there is a huge source of demand for Optane. It's just not in the consumer market, and Intel has been rather slow to release these larger capacities. And yeah the Windows 8 GUI was a nightmare that Microsoft should have abandoned. At minimum they should have realized that it only really works with touchscreens.

@taiiat0

6 жыл бұрын

+Chris Edwards i mean, i think they did. they created a Phone/Console Operating System UI, then decided everybody would want it too because reasons.

@numb3r663

6 жыл бұрын

i have windows 8 on a touch screen....it sucks....beta tested windows 8 and told them it was going to bomb.

Hey Linus, wouldn't you be able to force page file to use optane as RAM?

@stevobox8726

6 жыл бұрын

it will still be much much slower than just buying more RAM. pagefile gets written from and to RAM, so at best you get double the latency

@mike--0

6 жыл бұрын

shendriksza although true, ram prices are out of control.

@mike--0

6 жыл бұрын

C R not necessarily. If you already have let's say 4-8gb as ram. Then the page file will only be used after you exceed your ram limit. It might last longer than you think.

@budthecyborg4575

6 жыл бұрын

+AncientFury SLC SSD's already have 10x more endurance than MLC. If Samsung makes an SLC SSD it would perfectly match the specs of Intel Optane. www.tomsguide.com/us/ssd-value-performance,review-1455-6.html

@HolyVampires

6 жыл бұрын

Well think Anchentfury is on the right track. atleast as far as intel is marketing it. as a slow ram replacement for datacenter there hinting for it in there promo vidoes. and is compering it to ram aloot. www.intel.com.tr/content/www/tr/tr/architecture-and-technology/intel-optane-technology.html

Increased storage space increases write durability as well though, so if a drive had 4x the storage space for the same cost, the other would need to have 4x the durability just to break even.

lol dat advertisement segue made me laugh. Nice job.

The problem is probably in Windows I/O model. Specifically that all those kernel side layers (filter drivers, etc.) add so much latency to I/O requests that the difference between SSDs is just not very visible. Once Windows gets a faster I/O model, I'd expect small random read I/O (read: most that affects booting up, loading executables, etc.) to be up to 3x faster.

Something (somewhat related) that could be cool to test is the difference in performance between an HDD, SSD, NVME and virtual disc on ram. I am thinking of professional use, things as video rendering/exporting and CAD software with very large assemblies (a company where I worked a year ago had assemblies containing upwards of 13k parts that took about 10 to 15 minutes to load in solidworks)

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

Man that sucks on solid works load. Did you guys try running it all of a SQL server, that seemed to make that less of a issue for use, and management liked it cause we could spend less on hardware.

@StefsEngineering

6 жыл бұрын

Im not sure, there was a PDM system but even with all the files local it took quite a while. (well over 10 minutes.) With assemblies of well over 10k parts even the small things make a big difference, for example with concentric mates. It made for example quite a difference after we selected "lock rotation" on all these mates.

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah we mostly worked on sub assemblies for that reason by that point you basically never touch the main model.

@StefsEngineering

6 жыл бұрын

Same here, but now and then you needed more information to check fit. But usally the assemblies where 5/8 levels deep.

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

yeah that was why never really booted the main assembly just had it updating and would spread like 10 different clones of it which would check with each other, and all the people in the office had a way to pull up those copies onto their monitors.

What it is for is IRST hybrid drives which have the solid state portion capped at 60GB but the price makes it obsolete when compared to solid state drives.

A performing musician with a small sample library for live work may find one useful. Low latency for disk streaming is fairly important in this context, but the practical application would be limited unless RAM is insufficient, as most sample playback software will prefer to cache data in memory when operating at the tiny audio buffer sizes necessary for live play.

"Speaking of things to disagree about, the way we integrate sponsors!" hahaha

WHERE IS MY TUNNELBEAR!?

@rosoboy

6 жыл бұрын

Getting bought by McAfee

@gertoja1844

5 жыл бұрын

Not coming back

@bimardwi

5 жыл бұрын

Go to chocotaco's video

@jag0937eb

5 жыл бұрын

exactly my thoughts WHERE IS IT???

@JJAB91

5 жыл бұрын

JAG 0937 EB TunnelBear was bought out by McAfee and Linus didn't like their change in ethical practices so thats why they don't have them as a sponsor anymore.

The four wall is all over the floor! Nice ad transition.

Holy crap! I was thinking the same thing as the title of this video!! Thanks guys.

I guess Intel doesn't pay not as much as Dyson...

@AnnaVahtera

6 жыл бұрын

But it sucks more? ;)

@bananobanana1870

6 жыл бұрын

One negation too much?

@presterjohn71

6 жыл бұрын

The second negation was sponsored by Websters dictionary.

oh my god i got a crucial SSD ad i am laughing so hard xD

You could use it to store you DAW's and Plugins in order to further reduce the live monitoring latency with plugins and fx enabled, sure you would have to have a low latency audio interface and/or AD/DA converter but then it wouldn't be your computer system that would be bottlenecking the process.

ive been watching him since 10k subs. I feel proud

Kind of meh, I just can't get excited about it.

Huge market of users who'll pay 200 to have their comp boot 2 secs faster than their neighbors ;)

That blooper xD. What music is that? Lol

What about using it as a swap/pagefile drive? If it has very low latency and high write endurance, it could be a perfect fit for a task like that.

The cheapest 120 GB SSD will do for my os, main programs and youtube editing

@rustyshackleford5668

6 жыл бұрын

Dr. Dunk Funny you mention that..I just got my SSD yesterday for 50 bucks

@tylerweigand8875

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say the cheapest, since some 120gb ssds aren't exactly that great. You definitely don't need to spend that much though: something relatively cheap ($50 ish) such as an SL308 or BX300 would do fine.

@lutyanoalves444

6 жыл бұрын

got one here with a hdd for games. why would u need more in 2018?

@badass6300

6 жыл бұрын

+Dr. Drunk the Cheapest SSD is and will be the Most Expensive SSD you buy.

@skyy9590

6 жыл бұрын

Microcenter has 120gb store brand for $30

This really makes me wonder if Intel is getting much lower yields than they expected. Either that or they're trying to decrease price by increasing volume. It almost just seems like proof of concept, or something to go between the 16/32GB Optane "Memory" and the 900P as far as pricing goes to make things look nicer in their line-up for investors or just to keep Xpoint in the news? It mostly just seems like something to try and compete with high RAM prices, though. For now, besides as a scratch disk, or, you can't get Intel Optane working as memory, at least a place to put your page file. Or perhaps for just running specific programs that require performance at low queue depths. Perhaps to be used mostly as an OS/Page File/certain app drive while most other stuff is either on your SSD or HDD? Maybe for users of stuff like CAD, GIS mapping, etc. where you need a ton of RAM but can't afford it right now?

@TheMacfruit

6 жыл бұрын

Zzyzx Wolfe tbh the driver nightmare probably only applies to windows

@Spec4D

6 жыл бұрын

I think your guess about keeping their investors happy via "mindshare is market share" is probably right. I'm not complaining though. It's always nice to see what are essentially datacenter products available to the masses. Also keep in mind that Intel tends to be a slow and careful company when it comes to investing in new products. Another factor is that Intel has such a long history of high profit margins that they tend to overprice new products. They'd much rather tip their toes in the consumer market with Optane then jump in head first. As the products get cheaper it's easier to expand an existing product channel then create a new one. Make no mistake all signs point to 3d x-point being the future of Intel storage tech; it's just taking longer then Intel's short sighted investors would like.

@alienrenders

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it looks like bad parts that they're trying to offload.

@myselfremade

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah this drive is for Linux users to use as swap. Setting it up is pretty easy and it is an order of magnitude better than a regular SSD

@Spec4D

6 жыл бұрын

I have actually been wondering about that. In Linux swap is handled a lot better then the windows pagefile. In practice 8gb of ram and a 64gb optane drive(with appropriate settings set) might actually outperform a system with 32gb of RAM in typical workloads. There are a lot of excellent niche uses for optane; it's just not worth the money for a typical windows desktop consumer(or prosumer for that matter)

What about wear levels? It would be a better choice for scratch disks when recording audio/video if it doesn't wear out like flash, right???

@budthecyborg4575

6 жыл бұрын

This is no different than flash. With the endurance levels they're quoting Samsung could sell an SLC SSD for exactly the same price with exactly the same performance. Somewhere along the line Optane either failed horribly, or Intel is releasing horribly gimped products to ensure maximum ROI for their development costs.

sounds like a grate place to put my pagefile and cache files, there are so many of them. My HDD is on its knees and the SSD can handle it... but still have enough wait time on large projects that i get bored and start bugging people

i guess optane in ultrabooks would be nice..

*"Thermaltake P90"* - Spray & Pray

3:56 Is that the old Windows maze screensaver in the background?

Probably to get some monetary return while demonstrating the advance on their research about reducing storage latency. Although not really consumer grade, these are notorious numbers that perhaps Samsung already knew about (or was close to) but didn't release anything about yet because it isn't really easy to sell at this price per gigabyte ratio.

Intel has paid me recently so I think their Optane products are really nice

@williamcricket7931

6 жыл бұрын

whatsforsupa Sellout

@HarryL2020

6 жыл бұрын

Shut up scrub.

@POLICE30046

6 жыл бұрын

This makes me want to buy intel products

@thebananaman8554

6 жыл бұрын

FirstResponder Where do I sign up!?

@billyboo2864

6 жыл бұрын

Dude did you watch the same video? This was an overwhelmingly negative review.

7:31 What the hell is the background doing???

you could use it for yuor /root, /boot and swap partitions and then another ssd for the /home partion

As to the sponsors, This is the first time i've seen something you featured and clicked the link. I think I might actually grab one of those P90's.

This drive has huge business potential and for commercial use. Some of what I do is setup POS system at restaurants. This would be amazing for Restaurant touchscreens POS systems. Especially in a busy place where their database can reach up to 1 gig. Even though it doesn't seem like a lot of data. When you have 7 terminals all working on it during a busy rush hour you have no idea how much a system can get slowed down. Even half a second delay going between order screens is a long time to wait for a waitress putting in 6 orders for 30+ people. That easily adds up to minutes waiting for the system to respond. Also, these systems are just barebones Windows7/10 so space isn't an issue at all.

@LinusTechTips

6 жыл бұрын

That's a great use case!

@wesleyellis9451

6 жыл бұрын

Given that almost every commercial PC I’ve ever touched runs an Intel processor of some sort, maybe that price per GB issue could be softened with a package deal when the manufacturers are building their motherboards.

@chrisedwards3866

6 жыл бұрын

So much this. It doesn't have much consumer use, but for business use it is massive. It's basically at a midpoint between RAM and SSDs, but it's priced closer to SSDs. That makes it awesome. And if you put it in a high-throughput server farm, it'll do wonders.

I do not see the point in this. Get a good samsung nvme instead. Get two instead maybe? One for boot, one for data and/or scratch. The performance difference is so small that you won't notice, but the extra space you have now allow you to put more stuff on it, more accelerated stuff!

@superderpyderps

5 жыл бұрын

@@tf2excession That doesn't help a consumer product have a purpose. Optane is great for datacenters and very specific work station loads, but this product is consumer facing and it falls flat in any metric that a consumer is going to care about

Should be ideal for linux boot drive say you can have / and /var on it, with tons of small files and journal sync operations should also be quite nice as a swap, where you can set swappiness higher to preserve RAM, which is in turn used as filesystem cache and will speed up the whole system. and then you can use a larger SSD for /home where larger files are and throughput matters to take advantage of this one would need detailed tuning on the OS, which is just not easily available to everyday windows users

It's like a buffer or something, right? Like page-filing or something? What would be the optimal use for this?

This actually makes a huge difference in development workflows where you have multiple resources pulling from disk. A great example is if you're running your development environment and it has a caching layer and a database that you're using (let's say you're using docker compose so all are sitting on your machine). Reducing read latency on both a cache and a database will make highly noticeable differences.

can the Optane fit in to the m.2 USB Stick ?

@Carrosive

6 жыл бұрын

Please don't

@Luniii737

6 жыл бұрын

The m.2 USB stick from the previous video doesn't support NVMe.

@highlander723

6 жыл бұрын

Even if it could you're going to face a bottleneck with USB 3 so what's the point

@twoUTF

6 жыл бұрын

no probably not. it only supports sata m.2

@danielgidoni

6 жыл бұрын

highlander723 not through thunderbolt

useful for certain type of server applications.

Try benchmarking the compiling of a large project, such as the linux kernel, qt5 or webkit on it.. Also try VR games that might want to load data dynamically whilst in the experience - low latency might help there as well.

I bought a Samsung Evo 850 500gb for $150 two years ago. Today you can get a 1tb for around $220. This product is a definite epic fail.

It sounds to me that Intel did not entirely anticipate the NAND shortages when they started Optane development & they already poured a lot of R&D into it. Judging by their push for storage solutions, it also seems like they are trying to get into that market & compete with Samsung. They just lack the time in the space to make a big impact. We'll have to see.

I can think of a couple scenarios where this would be useful: (1) as an SSD cache in a NAS environment (2) as virtual memory in situations where there isn’t enough physical system memory available.

I have just seen your video of 2015 of the 3 year old building a pc now i wanna build one too 😅

Dedicated arma 3 drive

Damn rip linus hair

@josephnevin

6 жыл бұрын

Random Dude dang.. Noticed the same

@cesarposadasatamusic

6 жыл бұрын

This is what happens after using that Dyson thing on your head...

@mrscreamer379

6 жыл бұрын

My hair did that at about the same age. Within 3 years it was gone. Linus Scalp Tips to 100k subscribers!

@Floydarn

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's that bad, he's just using the wrong hair product! He totally need some wax and salt spray! Pete and pedros anyone?

@mrscreamer379

6 жыл бұрын

He should take a razor to it. The dollar shave club would throw more money at him.

I'd probably use that for the /boot directory.

Maybe for an utlra fast linux distro? with minimal space requirement, like Kali, so a test distro to bring everywhere with you, the form factor can also be a selling point for some I think.

This is less expensive than RAM and Optane is Optane, so the 120GB variant makes a lot of sense. Do a basic install and let it be used as the Page File. Or maybe, boot off of a cheap, 256GB SATA SSD and let the 60GB version be as an individual disk only for Page File Purposes, meaning you will almost get 64GB RAM for significantly lower cost. This is great for mid-range gamers and freelance Content Creators who don't have a company to pay for them, I guess

58GBs for a boot drive?! I was worried that wasn't enough back in 2002 running Windows XP with a slimmed down nLite installation!? Intel clearly needs to increase the random drug test Inside the company. Intel:Drug testing outside

@MisterCOM

6 жыл бұрын

i use an old 60 g ssd as one and 1 dualboot on it

@Johanneslol11

6 жыл бұрын

I think Linus is going at this for the wrong view, this is ment for system administrators as caching drives for enterprise servers.

@franspai7415

6 жыл бұрын

RealTheXev windows 10 is like 15gb, whats the problem with 58gb?

@temp50

6 жыл бұрын

Windows 10 is about 100GB+ ...

@piotrkrolikowski9335

6 жыл бұрын

@Johanneslol11 except intel doesn't seem to be marketing it that way.

i remember the intel marketing line about combining mass storage and random access memory into one, the speed of RAM but the persistence and capacity of SSD's perhaps it would be possible to have some kind of embedded system where there Optane indeed does function as both?

I don't know... I guess Optane drives are more suitable as cache drives in servers or switching between a lot of stuff where latency can be a problem?

I wish you would review things the same way even when sponsored.

@Lowkas

5 жыл бұрын

He... He said he doesnt recommend it, the price is too high and its marketing doesnt make sense. What else does he need to do? Call Intel names?

1tb hdd for the same as 128gb ssd? No replacement for me...

makes sense for high frequency trading servers

@ml_serenity

4 жыл бұрын

Except for their disk IOPS shouldn't affect the performance of the trading system at all. RAM is still waaaaay faster than Optane.

Question, Can I use SSD as my HD and use optane at the same time? No standard HD

Intel try to claim Optane as ram. I remember computer being sold as 16gig Ram but only have 8gig real Ram and 8gig Optine cache drive... such fake marketing BS

@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart

3 жыл бұрын

Eh, to be honest it IS a form of Random Access Memory. It just isn't DDR4 RAM. Pretty scummy of the sistem integrator and Intel to encourage that confusion

I think that Intel is well aware that this is not gonna sell well. But this technology is innovative and it needs to hit the market so people can see it. I am sure that other companies have the same if not faster and more reliable storage solutions , but are not presenting them cause of the cost. In my eyes Intel has balls for presenting that product because they already know it will flop at the beginning at that price. Innovation needs sacrifices , experiments and risks

@timcotton2350

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no. What you described is exactly how Intel NEVER behaves. They don't push a niche-market product to gain exposure for it. You are also wrong that "other companies have the same if not faster and more reliable storage solutions". There's a good reason the Samsung 960 PRO was the comparison product for this. Samsung is way ahead on successful insertion of 3D-NAND. Toshiba, Hynix, and Winbond are all at various stages of development, with only Toshiba having a product currently identified for market using their BICS process. There are two small companies attempting to make viable super-fast memory using non-standards techniques, but they've been at it for 4 and 6 years respectively, with nothing but early press releases to show for their efforts.

@taiiat0

6 жыл бұрын

and if we go back into the real world - yes the product will flop and Intel knows it, but Optane 900 Series is going to be bought up really fast for Datacenters, to make the entire world faster. Write Endurance and Latency are the two biggest desires for all Data Centers so they'll be buying this shit by the boat load.

@chrisedwards3866

6 жыл бұрын

Nope and nope. If anyone else had anything faster than SSDs, they'd be shouting about it from the high heavens. NO ONE is hiding any faster storage technology, no one. Either they don't have it, or they're working on it as hard as they can to see if it's actually possible to manufacture it. Memory and storage speed isn't merely a "build it and they will come" business, it's a "build it and they will trip over themselves to buy as much as they can" business. You won't see that on the consumer side. But data centers? Oh dear god, it's either they buy this or they buy more RAM. And with 120GB of RAM costing something like $1000 or more, Intel is giving them the deal of a lifetime by selling this at $200. Intel could price it at $400 and sell tons of it.

@mangshu21

6 жыл бұрын

From what i know optane uses almost 100 different materials for manufacturing and it is gonna be expensive for now. No biggie, since optane is faster than a sata ssd and matches and outperforms nvme at certain workloads. That you won't utilise the full performance is a different story but u do get lower latency. Oh and does the optane have to be twice as good as a 960?? like is it really mandatory?.. A good sata ssd is great for most people and the optane destroys most sata ssds.. the read and write speeds are fantastic for the avg consumer even if they don't need it. Random performance is amazing aswell. Other then the capacity, price and 1000x faster claims by Intel there's not much to complain. Performance seem pretty good. Endurance is well.. better than mlc nand.

@mangshu21

6 жыл бұрын

oh and it uses only 2 lanes..Good i guess if u have multiple pci ssds

Probably not for typical home users but from an embedded standpoint it is easy to find uses.

It's for persistent memory programing, which is propable future for aplications.