that stutter got me good, i thought my internet was lagging

@ChristianWorrall

7 жыл бұрын

made me chuckle

@darthplazma6478

7 жыл бұрын

same :)

@windows7ge357

7 жыл бұрын

Thought my computer froze twice. Got me scared. Though I fixed that issue already.

@Mrtheboyfull

7 жыл бұрын

Same here, I was about to go back to the store lol.

@SyukriLajin

7 жыл бұрын

it was an advertisement. sneaky linus

woah.. DLC's on Hardware - War has changed..

@currywurst4170

7 жыл бұрын

RedOx07 intel pentium 6951 had a dlc

@jaturnley

7 жыл бұрын

Heh, they've been doing that pretty much as long as there have been home computers. FPUs used to be sold separately prior to the 486 (called math co-processors at the time), and there were accelerator sockets to fill all the way back to the 8086. The old PCs before them all had some means of proprietary expansion them post-purchase, like the Commodore VIC20's expansion port devices.

@Jetsetlemming

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah CPUs used to need shit like "math coprocessors" installed separately.

@currywurst4170

7 жыл бұрын

Johannes BR yup he's great

@kalebbruwer

7 жыл бұрын

RedOx07 No, war never changes. The DLC union merely advanced into new territory.

I love how they actually stuttered the video @ 3:07.

@GeraltOfNvidia

6 жыл бұрын

Anthony Di Salvo i didn't even notice it

Person walks in. Sees HDD and SSDs taped to whiteboard. Slowly closes door then runs.

@tazka69

7 жыл бұрын

Jo-Bob Bubba lmao

@colonfrancelj9356

7 жыл бұрын

Oh you mean S 1/Cabin = |n|cabin|.

@UbergonMX

6 жыл бұрын

it was the fastest installation

I'm a server guy and we've been testing the server version of this for a while and wanted to point out a few things. Firstly the overall bandwidth of this is really no different from existing PCIe NVMe M.2 cards such as the Samsung 960 Pro's etc - it's limited by PCIe version and lanes - in this case 4 x 3.0. This is the same with the server cards, sure we may have 8 x 3.0 lanes but that's still the limitation. Where Optane really benefits is the access-times, they're way quicker than the already-very-quick PCIe NVMe cards - WAAAAY quicker. The problem is what to use this for. Obviously it's way too slow to replace DRAM (for now), and way too expensive-per-GB to replace main storage (again, for now, though that will change VERY quickly). The biggest issue right now is that operating systems aren't tuned in any real way to utilise this technology and that won't change very quickly either. Where this will benefit servers in particular is where you have all of your 'live' data in DRAM but want a cache of the most-used of your main storage that's way quicker to hand - storage-tiering essentially. Eventually when all main storage runs at this speed then this tiering won't be needed, but that's 3-5 years away or so. For home users, well we need to wait for capacities to increase, price-per-GB to drop and PCIe 4.0 to ship - then we get our game-levels quite a bit quicker but home users won't really benefit too much from the latency-drops to be honest, we just don't do that kind of work typically.

@5ch4cht3l7

7 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! right now, you are good to go with an SSD as boot drive. If you have more money, get an NVME SSD. If you run out of mass storage, get an HDD. Simple as that. Optane has way to small capacities or is too expensive.

@HoshPak

7 жыл бұрын

Is the server version bound to Kabylake + Windows, too?

@SeaJay_Oceans

7 жыл бұрын

There exists server level versions of 2-level data cache software, such as PrimoCache: www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/index.html So if you have 32 or 64 GB RAM in your server, a nice Samsung SSD as the level 2 cache, and say a Seagate Hybrid 4 TB Hard Drive as your main drive, you can run all the hot data on your server at RAM DRIVE speeds.9,000 Megabytes / Second Reads and 14000 Megabyte / Second Writes. If your server needs to read / write faster than 8 Gigabytes per second - you probably need to do a server farm and load balancing ? That's is a Lot of data to be working with per second all the time...

@othername4365

7 жыл бұрын

Phil Buckley-Mellor sounds like a good zfe l2arc drive, but I'm worried about wear level

@ayporos

7 жыл бұрын

FightBiscuit yes you should ALWAYS use an SSD (even if it's 'just' a SATA SSD) as your boot drive and where you load frequently used apps from. Considering you can get a 'big enough for consumers' SSD for under a 100 bucks these days there's really no excuse for not having an SSD as your boot drive. Where these Optane thingies really shine is as SLOG devices or similar use cases. As a consumer I therefor cannot imagine why you'd want to get one of these as opposed to an nvme SSD unless you are running something like ZFS or a database server and you notice that it doesn't respond as snappy as you'd like it to.

"here is a normal computer" *shows expensive high-end led rig*

@brandonsmith2621

7 жыл бұрын

considering the lack of a proper SSD, what's being measured here is 100% accurate

@Atari1337

7 жыл бұрын

a GAMING normal computer

@nick6158

7 жыл бұрын

Watch tech deals if you want normal.

@louiswilliams3750

7 жыл бұрын

1080's arent normal bby.... But i do see your point.

@JustLovett0

7 жыл бұрын

"here is a normal computer" shows a PC using a Hard Disk as a boot drive.

Who the faak has a brand new z270 board with their primary storage being a magnetic hard drive?

@MysteryMii

7 жыл бұрын

XBnPC An idiot's PC?

@jeffwang543

7 жыл бұрын

me

@Sevendogtags

7 жыл бұрын

I have about 6TB of data, Putting all that on SSD would be freaking super expensive. Plenty other ppl like me surely.

@Ylex

7 жыл бұрын

I think the keyword is "primary storage", as in "system drive"

@RandomMini01

7 жыл бұрын

If you paid any attention to the Video, this device isn't used only for boot up... It is also used to Cache relative Programs, hence, BIG PROGRAMS... you know, the ones that wouldn't fit on a AFFORDABLE SSD... Just saying

So it basically turns your HDD into a hybrid drive that isn't bottlenecked by SATA.

so you want a 7000 series chip and a 200 series motherboard, but not an ssd? what a small neich thing

@simonupstone4924

7 жыл бұрын

Look at it another way, a basic consumer, non enthusiast, wants a low cost, simple to use new PC. Is that a small niche? Optane allows basic New PCs to have faster boot times without the cost of a separate SSD or the complication of 2 drives. I see Optane as a product for the low budget end of PC building.

@sudd3660

7 жыл бұрын

i agree, much better to spend money on a big ssd than a hdd and optane chip. less components, more even performance, and who knows how much that optane is going to cost.

@ComputerWarrior

7 жыл бұрын

Low budget, yet require latest and reasonably high end hardware to work... The complication of two drives is also largely not an issue these days, except for technological retards, but they won't even know what boot time mean...

@procerator

7 жыл бұрын

You can buy decent 120G SSD for the price of that optane stick. Also you need expensive motherboard to install optane. In addition to that - there is not complication ascosiated with 2 drives. Just none.

@mitchelleade6512

7 жыл бұрын

It could be integrated into laptops quite easily. Allowing large HDDs but still allowing the performance of an SSD. Its not just desktop

Uhm... the 32GB Optane costs as much as a decent SATA3/M.2 120GB SSD. So, why buy this? Since this is only a cache, it means it will start frequently used programs faster. But if you install a 120GB SSD, *everything* on that will start faster! Amiright?

@MostWanted2025

7 жыл бұрын

tonyrulez69 yeah, but it looks fantatistic for users with only Big Hdd,s

@tonyrulez69

7 жыл бұрын

I see only one advantage of the Optane: you don't have to move your OS to a different partition. Just put the Optane in, and you are done. As for users with only big HDDs: they can install an SSD too. Yes, they have to reduce the OS size to fit on it, but still.

@kevinwitteveen4997

7 жыл бұрын

50 dollar

@DotBotLp

7 жыл бұрын

Names but what would 32 gigs of extra "cache" help you in that situation? It still can only store 32 gigs, so loading more than those into it won't work. I think this is only meant for users that don't have the time to reinstall their OS on an SSD, I hardly doubt it's superiority in terms of simple "boot times" when compared to an SSD.

@ArlenBrackovic

7 жыл бұрын

You foregot an average consumer (yep average consumer is still quite stupid about technology in 2017)...You would be suprised how many people don't know how to put a new ssd, or even know they can do that to improve speed. We don't even need to talk about reinstalling wins or cloning hdd to ssd :) And for that market and prebuilt low buget pc's optane is quite handy.

"Consumer grade" but, requires a 7th generation core processor and a 200 series desktop motherboard....... Who is this for again?

@shawncrodis

7 жыл бұрын

VitaliiDaGamer that's just it, it doesn't just work like that

@zeroyum1473

7 жыл бұрын

All the people buying new budget PCs and laptops at BestBuy that can't figure how to move games and applications to and from a small SSD to a larger HD...

Linus, I'm gonna need you to come re-teach my Computer Science module before the exam in May. Damn you have a way of explaining things...!

Now lets see what linus will steal this time...

@awesomeprohacker2520

7 жыл бұрын

ur profile pic matches this comment

@thenewbiewatcheroftruth

7 жыл бұрын

AwesomeProHacker2 lol thanks

@thenewbiewatcheroftruth

7 жыл бұрын

Lord Popo yep

@koncan5

7 жыл бұрын

We saw him chuck some shit in his pocket at the beginning of the video.

So it's not any better than SSDs. That explains why there's no comparison to an SSD rig. I was hoping that I could add an even faster layer of storage to my computer. Damn.

@jakov1006

7 жыл бұрын

TheTubeTimeMaster1 I had same hopes...

@uploaded113redone

7 жыл бұрын

unfortunately m.2 is only slightly faster than ssd

@jackthemapper

7 жыл бұрын

you are confusing m.2 with nvme and ssd with sata.

@TheOriginalEviltech

7 жыл бұрын

The memory technology is quite a bit faster than V-NAND we are talking tens of times faster, however the m.2 port speed limitations limit it at just above V-NAND speeds. I am guessing this is a move to finance the development and production of higher density chips using this technology, which than will be implemented in their different SSD designs improving life cycles significantly. HP's patent mentioned using 2 and 4 channel optical interfaces to single chip which was capable of storing hundreds of terabytes in just about 1 cm^3 of the active medium. Speeds of up to 20GB/s per chip were theorized, with random access times in the ns range. Data retention when powered off up to 2-3 thousand years.....

@MsTatonis

7 жыл бұрын

Why fill your M.2 slot with a 50$ module ( plus a 100$ hard drive ) and just not purchase a m.2 form factor ssd with a PCIe interface with nvme protocol? For some consumer that can't purchase a m.2 now and still have Serial ATA 6gb/s SSD or hard drive, that can be a more economical solution, but I think that the limitation of just m.2 form factor is not the right move. If you can run it on a PCIe card or even thunderbolt 3, then this will be more interesting for mainstream users. Maybe this thechnoligy will help to sell more hard drive from WD and Seagate : ) Another interogation is what speed to expect from a sata m.2 vs a PCIe one?

That was a pretty neat trick you did there with that stutter.

So it looks like I'm still glad I bought my 250GB 850 EVO.

@amgnico

7 жыл бұрын

Mike Soda true

@sickofitall89

7 жыл бұрын

The best damn SSD ! I have one too , Samsung knows their memory.

@poseidongaming8322

7 жыл бұрын

Just a little overpriced. Bought it a year ago for 90 euros. I checked again now and its 100 euros... I guess ill wait for actual optane drives so samsung finaly prices their products correctly.

@sickofitall89

7 жыл бұрын

it's not them , memory manufacturers artificially overprice them just because they can , RAM and HDD/SSD price per gb is increasing and will continue to .

@poseidongaming8322

7 жыл бұрын

So samsung doesnt manufacture their chips?

So... can we see a comparison of the performance while using an SSD instead?

@vdochev

7 жыл бұрын

I think is primarily meant for servers to eliminate use of SSD RAIDs where performance is critical. They just gave the technology to consumers as well.

@andrewe6762

7 жыл бұрын

New LTT video today answers that

So there is no point if you have an ssd?

@thaDARKW0LF

7 жыл бұрын

Black Bird Exactly. This thing is for faster caching and therefore faster response times. SSD-based systems likely wouldn't see any difference at all since they're already lightning fast as opposed to HDDs.

@Fanaz10

7 жыл бұрын

This kind of reminds me of hybrid hdds.

@WarmlyFrozen

7 жыл бұрын

Arclight and considering the marginal boost to game launches it wouldn't improve a system like mine with a boot SSD and gaming HDD

@cyberdrift1

7 жыл бұрын

Really no point even if you don't you can buy a 120GB kingston SSD for $53 and have an actual system drive SSD.

@Joostinonline

7 жыл бұрын

Except hybrid drives don't really make this much of a difference.

You got me with that video stutter, I thought my Internet was being laggy, damn you linus.

Very interesting. Also, that was fast, announcement to preview here. Great!

A 240gb SSD is £60 delivered...

@5ch4cht3l7

7 жыл бұрын

even NVMEs are far less expensive

@SuperWotman

7 жыл бұрын

and NVMEs are faster than optane

@griffin8062

7 жыл бұрын

But optane has much quicker response times, which you, you 14 year old in your basement, who has a computer mom paid for, wouldn't care.

@MysteryMii

7 жыл бұрын

Captain Chicken Plus, it takes confusion out of putting things on different storage drives.

@jaturnley

7 жыл бұрын

And apparently they mostly just make your computer boot faster, which you, a person whose computer likely crashed constantly, will likely appreciate.

3:08 Ahhh, I see what you did there. Trying to make it seem like my $20 laptop is stuttering at 144p.

Hi Linus ! Big question here .. will it still improve performance if we are allready running our pcs on ssd ?

I wasn't exactly sure what Optane was supposed to do prior to the video. This helped clear things up, thanks Linus!

4:45 138 seconds boot time with an HDD? What the hell, was it broken or what?

@inayamei

7 жыл бұрын

Yosyp that is fast for an HDD.

@zampano0069

7 жыл бұрын

yea, seriously, this video is strange. even with the optane, the boot time still was 30seconds, which is incredibly long. i havent used an hdd as bootdrive in a long time, but i cant imagine that it takes more than 2 minutes. my cheapo sandisk-SATA-ssd is doing ~10-15seconds...

@yosyp5905

7 жыл бұрын

I don't remember my first and second boots being this long, I have a 64MB cache 1TB WD Blu HDD. I usually boot up my W10 system in about 10 seconds.

@Vampyreq

7 жыл бұрын

You have no idea how 138 seconds boot time is leaving mine in the dirt. Depending on how you define "boot". My computer can take up to 5 minutes usually more, from when the power button is pushed to load everything.

@aakopa

7 жыл бұрын

Yosyp Well it takes 28 seconds even for my 850 pro to boot Windows.

So basically this turns any hdd into a higher speed Hybrid HDD... is that the gist of it?

@StephenKendall

7 жыл бұрын

Seems like it. Which is definitely nice. It seems like Apple's Fusion Drives have always outperformed other hybrid drives due to having 24 GB of cache rather than the almost universal 8 GB of cache elsewhere.

@Ryancady010

7 жыл бұрын

No, this is not how this works. It's a cache. Normally most of the data is stored in RAM and is deleted on power off. Now that's stored on the optane. It has a bandwidth of ~3GB/s which is as fast as an NVMe. So now you're able to get data extremely fast as compared to the HDD. This isn't only for HDDs it can be used for SSDs or even NVMe drives.

@JasonOFlaherty

7 жыл бұрын

Right, which is what a hybrid hdd is. It uses the ssd portion of it as cache that auto fills up. I know it's faster than that which is why I said 'higher speed'. The big question is, what kind of speed boost will it give when paired with an NVMe. I'd be much more interested in it if I could specify what is stored on it, like if I could specify Adobe to use it as a video editing cache.

@FennecTECH

7 жыл бұрын

Just wait until we start seeing these at capacity! the no write fatigue is what excites me

@jimstanley_49

7 жыл бұрын

I'd wait for hard endurance numbers before using it for scratch space--especially on such a small drive. So far, Intel has been letting the marketing department blow sunshine and rainbows at everyone (including Linus, apparently) to distract from the fact that actual performance numbers and technology overviews have been pretty much absent from media briefings for a long time. semiaccurate.com/2017/03/27/intel-releases-consumer-m-2-xpoint-ssds/ semiaccurate.com/2017/03/27/intel-crosses-unacceptable-ethical-line/

The Action Roll was Epic!

Have been waiting for this kit since I read about it two years ago.Fantastic that its available to the consumer from the off.

Haven't watched the video yet. I'm just waiting for him to drop stuff

@static5283

7 жыл бұрын

Aren't we all?

@sciencethygod

7 жыл бұрын

ya he dropped stuff alright right into his pockets =P

@5at5una

7 жыл бұрын

he drop the ssd nvme in to the trash bin

@Frank.donovan

7 жыл бұрын

Can someone drop me in the trash bin then hit "erase"

@emmanieuwenhuis2688

7 жыл бұрын

I've turned that off. Everything is deleted right away.

Lol that integral in the corner, shoutout to math/CS/engineering majors

@Henry-mq2fv

7 жыл бұрын

Missing the dcabin :(

@AlmightyMatthew

7 жыл бұрын

That's not the only thing that is CONSTANTly being forgotten ..

@Zwoods100

7 жыл бұрын

+ C

@hallmorales

7 жыл бұрын

Hussein Syed physics as well B)

@kalebbruwer

7 жыл бұрын

I noticed the integral, but I don't know what this one is for.

3:06 👌 nice touch

i'll wait for further benchmark! i'm intrigued tho.

Nice use of St-stutter and delay there Linus

@TheOriginalEviltech

7 жыл бұрын

It's not Linus, it's his editor! Give credit where it's due!

@cekpi7

7 жыл бұрын

potato potato potato potato potato potato potato hey potato potato potato potato potato potato potato

Oh hey, a thumbnail that doesn't have a stupid face in it.

@UndefinedTurd

7 жыл бұрын

Sage Grayson oh look, a profile picture that also doesn't have a stupid face within it.

@anthonyseboe4646

7 жыл бұрын

Oh look! a totally original joke.....oh wait, that's your life. My bad.

@UndefinedTurd

7 жыл бұрын

Anthony Seboe Damn...

@TheEchelon

7 жыл бұрын

Anthony Seboe He's hardly joking though. Just stating facts. You gotta ease on the salt

@albert_hwang

7 жыл бұрын

Anthony Seboe Holy shit, you just burned him. You're pretty cool and funny, I'd say.

Really enjoying your videos you seem very knowing on various topics

5:27 in the background "don't mind me just keep doing whatever it is you're doing"

3:05 stutters lol

@tunglamduong3000

7 жыл бұрын

Delay also. Well played Linus.

@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen

7 жыл бұрын

I actually set the video resolution lower after that thinking I had a problem with connection or CPU usage or something :'D April 1st arrived a few days early this year

@OdaiNekromos

7 жыл бұрын

loved this detail ^^

@N1mro8

7 жыл бұрын

Was not fun, my computer is on it's last "breath", so it freaked me out ;P

@StevenPersonal

7 жыл бұрын

heard of editing? and jokes?

"For a little as $50," and mentioned only 16GB and 32GB. So I am guessing $50 for a 16GB module. Well, for $50, I will rather get a 128GB SSD.

@wynterfoxx2517

7 жыл бұрын

That's a shitty argument because it's $50 for something will speed up read/writes on an HDD, something has an infinitely higher capacity for a fraction of the price.

@Lukiel666

7 жыл бұрын

As opposed to buying a hybrid drive for $20 more saving $30?

@respect2urespectal

7 жыл бұрын

Mark T. Wolffe Shitty argument and fraction of the price? What the fuck are you talking about. For Intel Optane memory to be supported, the minimum hardware specifications required for Intel are a PC with a 7th Gen Intel Core processor, an Intel 200 series chipset, an M.2 type 2280-S1-B-M connector on a PCHRemapped PCIe Controller and Lanes in a x2 or x4 configuration with B-M keys that meet NVMe Spec 1.1, System BIOS that supports the Intel Rapid Storage Technology (Intel RST) 15.5 or later driver and Windows 10 64bit or above installed on a supported SATA-based storage device (Hard drive, SATA SSD or SSHD) You're better off getting a SSD. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

@xFlared

7 жыл бұрын

You can get same speeds as that $50 128GB SSD on a 4TB HDD with the optane due to caching.

@dstblj5222

7 жыл бұрын

Yes right know but with computers and specs going down in price this might make sense in say 3-5 years

I'm watching this during my computing lesson!😄 Thank you Mr Linus

'ssd crushing performance' >> compares it to a HDD. I don't buy this advertised crap if you're not even allowed to compare it to a SSD

I guess it has pretty *solid* performance considering it's *state*

@skylake_thememe6586

7 жыл бұрын

*Puns*

@burny6666

7 жыл бұрын

Get out....Get out NOW!!!

@ansondu1103

7 жыл бұрын

Arsal Khurram That's a pretty "solid" pun, but you just "drive" people crazy

@kylethetreekat840

7 жыл бұрын

Arsal Khurram you should be ashamed

@loganarzuaga8316

7 жыл бұрын

Very punny. Also wrong its (you want its not it's).

But can it run double action boogaloo?

@Bistinglolwut

7 жыл бұрын

MorninCupofHate yes, but only at minesweeper speed

@jacksmith9893

7 жыл бұрын

MorninCupofHate no no no, chardee macdennis 2: electric boogaloo

I havent been able to sleep for four days, but you are lulling me

Socks with sandals.

@kore6763

7 жыл бұрын

Conner Smith you must be new here

If you're buying z270, you might as well get an SSD.

@Knee-Lew

7 жыл бұрын

Luca Passalacqua or an SSHD.

@discy12345

7 жыл бұрын

Luca Passalacqua or b220

@MoKor

7 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy i'm cheap, I bought a z270 without an SSD but now i'll boost my speed without spending my money on one!

@tonyrulez69

7 жыл бұрын

You know a 32GB Optane costs as much as a brand new 120GB SSD or a used 240GB SSD? Basically you'll spend money on boosting the frequently used apps, while for the same price you could boost 120GB/240GB worth of apps.

@akashsinha5611

7 жыл бұрын

And I won't even consider getting a kabylake + 200 series motherboard for this shit 😂😂

it makes more sense in notebooks and maybe phones.

@TechyBen

7 жыл бұрын

This!

@TheTomtah

7 жыл бұрын

Except HDDs have been phased out from laptops as well. Even the 300$ laptops feature a 120gb ssd these days. Only the uninformed consumer buys laptops with HDDs not to mention the fact that this optane stick is not backwards compatible with older intel systems and those are the ones which still uses HDDs. I think optane is meant to be used in NAS and server enviroments since those are the only ones who still use mechanical HDDs these days.

@zaka2630

7 жыл бұрын

TheTomtah Dude, you're wrong. I'd still, to this buy, buy a gaming laptop with a boot SSD + 1TB HDD for huge games like GTA V. SSDs are still very expensive and are not as reliable as HDDs.

I'd very much be interested in seeing if its possible to control what goes on the volume. This would be insanely useful for page files for photoshop, and premiere.

Could you do an updated video about Ryzen perfomance after all the optimizations and bug fixes made for it?

Great but what system that still runs on a HDD as main drive does actually have a M.2 slot?!

@jaturnley

7 жыл бұрын

I think that's the real point of Optane, so system sellers can pop a $50 chip into a system with a cheap mechanical drive and the end user won't notice as much how slow the drive is.

@dsofe4879

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This seems like a cheap attempt to sell what would otherwise be server hardware to gullible consumers.

@jessethetiger2485

7 жыл бұрын

im stuck with slow HDD's because of my 2008 motherboard that doesnt accept SSD's and not having the money to upgrade *everything*

@TheKillermops

7 жыл бұрын

1st: as long as your board has SATA 3gb Ports you should be able to connect an ssd with that spec 2nd this is besides my point... since optane is using M.2 interface, your board wont support it either... AND you don't have 7th gen Intel CPU

@jaturnley

7 жыл бұрын

RichardzPlayzMC You have plenty of options. You can get a PCIe slot mounted mount m.2 drive, or a PCIe SATA 6 gbit card and use SATA SSDs - you will not be able to boot from them, but you can use them as app drives. You cannot however use Optane, because it requires a 7th generation Core i3, i5, or i7 CPU, and a brand new 700 series chipset motherboard.

I caught the stutter lol

@protoman247

7 жыл бұрын

WBT Facts that was done on purpose.

@spinLOL533

7 жыл бұрын

PROTOMAN247 Yes LOL

@mrMacMilli2000

7 жыл бұрын

WBT Facts yup. looked to see if u noticed too

@killertruth186

7 жыл бұрын

WBT Facts I caught him accidentally cut himself with the fan blades.

@z352kdaf8324

7 жыл бұрын

You missed the delay.

Love the random UML chart that doesn't make sense and the random PHP (?) ramble in the background. And the hand drawn graphics are also awesome xD

Boot time is overall start to desktop or just to initial log-in screen ? Either way I am running my OS off a 1TB HDD and have my games on a 400GB SDD with a Pentium G3258 stock CPU, 8GB RAM, a 780ti GPU and my boot times are consistently around the 1 minute mark from boot up to desktop, and that's with me having to input my password into Windows 10. I don't get why your boot times are so high, how much stuff does your PC have to load on log-in if its at the 2 minute mark ? :O

does the memory module need to configure through bios or it is plug and play ??

@robertlinke2666

7 жыл бұрын

as far as i have seen i'd say it's PnP

Proudly Sponsored By Intel

@jkyeoh32

7 жыл бұрын

Peps pigs

Any idea if it is possible to populate 2 different m.2 slots, with one of these Optane modules each, and then assign them to specific mechanical drives? Is this kind of related to the feature in Windows called "Ready Boost"?

Did anyone else see that socks and sandal combo when he rolled over the table?

Samsung Evo 850 SSD with 16 GB DDR3 SD-RAM 799 MHz, loaded with Adobe Family, 3Ds Max Design, custom applications, Internet Security Software, etc. boot time, less than 10 seconds, load time 34s. This thing here is not worth the trouble at all. (No fast boot in UEFI enabled, my 500GB SSD did cost me 88€ during a great sales-off 1 year ago)

@keithkaranu4258

7 жыл бұрын

Tengoku NET this is for people with HDDs to improve startup time and load times

@lordgarth1

7 жыл бұрын

No one should be booting from HDD anymore.

@markuspannock5783

7 жыл бұрын

Also Linus said at the start of the video the card is 50$... I'm gonna take a guess and say ur 850gb ssd is a LITTLE more expensive

@fobusas

7 жыл бұрын

For 44$ and 77$? How the fuck it's meant for HDD users when they can simply replace their HDD with SSD for around the same time? Or in addition to. 240GB of SSD start from 80$. This thing is 32GB...

@TehObLiVioUs

7 жыл бұрын

it's not 850 GB lmao... he said samsung 850 evo

That over 2 minutes boot time is actually pretty horrible even for a HDD :v Normal one would be 20-40 seconds

@SuperKREPSINIS

7 жыл бұрын

idk, can argue, my old laptop with hdd and win 10 was somewhat over a minute to boot, and then sometime to get pc going at full speed

@fporcelli2009

7 жыл бұрын

usually Windows 10 uses a kind of "partial hibernation", to make boot faster. if you restart your PC will make a full boot

@nuddin99

7 жыл бұрын

Arvydas Andrius then your laptop probably uses a 5400 rpm drive. Most 3.5 in HDDs are 7200 rpms.

@MrExelCZ

7 жыл бұрын

you forgeting one thing it was 3TB hdd

@Kowalskithegreat

7 жыл бұрын

my poverty spec surface pro 3 i3 boots to w10 desktop in under 10 seconds from full restart

"long system stutters and delays". Took me a sec. Nice.

Like your watch Linus. What's the make and model of your wrist watch??

I have an SSHD myself which is pretty much like Intel Optane tries to do, it is okay in terms of performance/price ratio but still not even close for SSDs in terms of performance of normal day to day usage(the benchmarks in this Linus video doesn't tell the whole truth). SSDs today are quite cheap though and it's better to get 1 SSD for OS+apps and 1 regular HDD for "non essential games" and media files that are large or barely used(photos, videos, etc), the tiny price difference will be worth it, in terms of productivity and patience(waiting for stuff to finish and stop lagging).

@Catnugget76

7 жыл бұрын

But hey, I am a programmer and hardware engineer and I am reliant on multitasking performance of my laptop, so people might not have the same standards as me.

@wgk4845

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe a comparison of Optane, ReadyBoost, SSHD and RAM drive would be more appropriate to paint a better picture of the technology as well as a performance benchmark test.

For those that don't get the math on the board. ln|cabin| = log cabin

@kevinclon

7 жыл бұрын

Natural Log Cabin

@rossmcquinn

7 жыл бұрын

It should be a log cabin by the sea...

@spencerstone7696

7 жыл бұрын

If only the HDD was right next to it :(

Do u have to set up anything when the optane storage is inserted or is another step required to set it up with the computer?

This is a GREAT idea because I bought an 850 EVO last year, and it's starting to run out of space because I put big games on that drive. Now I can get this so my hard drive with my many smaller and space consuming games can be a bit quicker :)

YAY SSD CACHE IS A THING NOW... oh wait this is useless

@TheUnboxerMan

7 жыл бұрын

_ _ have you forgotten that hybrid drives suck?

@SupaSwagdeskKILLTHEHUMANZ

7 жыл бұрын

TheUnboxerMan depends on workload

@KangJangkrik

7 жыл бұрын

hybrid drive's cache connected through sata too, but that one connected through m.2 wondering how sucks that thing...

@jackthemapper

7 жыл бұрын

ive yet to see a use case where nvme has an advantage over sata other than screencapturing 4k 60fps. In gaming ssd speed is not the bottleneck.

@veneratedmortal4369

7 жыл бұрын

jackthemapper Because its about 5 times faster at this point. Having the choice why would you not.

Socks and sandals damnit linus I thought I liked you...

@anakin2397

7 жыл бұрын

Hoi Hoi He's been wearing socks and sandals for a long time now

@bekenhagyjal7567

7 жыл бұрын

since forever... :D

@harperbentley9661

7 жыл бұрын

Anakin oh just noticed it lol

That integral on the white board is missing a d(cabin) and a constant at the end. "giggles logarithmically"

I can't believe my calc teacher never told the log cabin joke on the white board.

"SSD CRUSHING PERFORMANCE!!!!1eleven" benchmarks against slow as shit hdd, not even a hybrid

@fobusas

7 жыл бұрын

That's Linus for you... They do so in every of their videos...

@Xtrainious

7 жыл бұрын

i think the pitch is RATHER than buy an ssd just buy this stick and your hdd only computer becomes much more responsive.

@tangrila4971

7 жыл бұрын

it's SSD crushing because it could eliminate SSD's by providing a fast caching between the cpu and HDD. HDD has way more storage space for the buck compared to SSD - thus SSD crushing, but not really. Lets say the title is what a newbie would think when he hears about the optane technology.

@jackthemapper

7 жыл бұрын

It says SSD crushing "Performance" so i think everyone is expecting the performance to be the selling point. Reading a bang-for-the-buck argument into the title seems like one hell of a stretch to me.

@CompatibilityMadness

7 жыл бұрын

And a prosumer will wait for 128-256GB capacity, and put the whole OS on it - been there done that (same thing was done with first SSDs). Caching is great, but I simply don't see the point of small capacity (16-32GB) "memory boosters". I also doubt it's a noticeable improvement over NVMe SSD, because if/when you run out of system RAM, this thing is useless (since it caches data from HDD not RAM). Last thing , think about this : SSD's have a few hundred ns read latency (measureable by AS SSD/IOPS sofware). System RAM is around 50ns (latency test AIDA64). So HOW can we see the difference between this, and NVMe SSD ?

Linus shoves ssds into pocket

@TheReal_ist

7 жыл бұрын

Gregory White ohh wait did I see a dumbass begging for attention. Huh think I did he's right above me. What a dipshit real num nuts

@wesleywu2006

7 жыл бұрын

I think Linus also touched one of the fast-spinning fans on the computer in the promotion at the beginning

@HelixsoulX

7 жыл бұрын

He's gonna stick one of these in Project Valerie.

hahaha that SEKRIT text on the blue board at 5:28

3:07 For a second i thought that my pc was studdering, but then i realised that i am watching linustechtips, the biggest troll on KZread.

That's nice and all...but why were you trying to take the integral of 1/cabin?

so, throw away my $300 ssd for a $50 stick of gum?

@Zeorymer300

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Conner no, run both.

@alexpysz6764

7 жыл бұрын

Zeorymer300 I'm very curious as to what the performance would be vs an ssd and then vs ssd and optane.

@llothar68

7 жыл бұрын

No you add it together. It will increase the lifetime of your $300 investment.

What about running an optane module with an SSD? Any difference there?

Nice natural log cabin Linus

Can you make a video about taking out and putting in components in a running computer just for the lols

ALWAYS LOVE LINUS VIDEO!!!!

Proprietary and Kabylake only? Nice how intel treats its customers. Guess I will reconsider my future upgrade plans and take next gen Ryzen over Cannonlake.

Pleas do a full comparison/"What to buy" video between an Optane, M.2 NVME PCIE, and a SATA SSD.

more like UNDERWHELMING PERFORMANCE

Where is Tunnel 🐻?

@AviPars

7 жыл бұрын

Akash BHARGAV who would put an ad on a sponsored video

That is mighty darn impressive.

I created something similar with a Z68 board and a 32gb mSATA drive using iRST. Just a "cache" drive, but it did speed up Windows 7, Battlefield 3, and other applications as well. Of course that was quite awhile ago. Same idea, just updated "interface".

So, does this thing make sense if I'm already using a fast M.2 NVMe Samsung 960 drive? It sounds to me like they are really hoping everyone's using SATA HDDs...

@robertlinke2666

7 жыл бұрын

i actually don't know. it is cache, so it might, but do not expect mega boosts as an HDD might expect.

@milosristic4048

7 жыл бұрын

Krutón it makes sense if you want low latency and fast boot times, applications responsiveness and starting time of applications, even if you have fastest ssd on market

@nighthwk5028

7 жыл бұрын

Krutón it's 40x faster than your m.2 so there's that....

@HoshPak

7 жыл бұрын

A comparison between SATA3, NVMe & Optane would have been more interesting. But I assume this would have shed a completely different light on it so they went with significantly slower HDDs to boast about the difference.

@Ryancady010

7 жыл бұрын

You probably will see an improvement. It's used as a cache for data that is normally within RAM. It's roughly the same speed as the NVMe, but your NVMe doesn't cache as much data as the Optane

I could see a 32GB Optane drive being used for OS + some programs and an SSD (M.2 or SATA) for everything else.

@tpg85404

7 жыл бұрын

Rahul Katre 3D X Point will replace NAND and DRAM in the future. 2nd generation of this new memory is coming soon...

@rjcook450

7 жыл бұрын

it wont replace dram, dram will go away with a new tech replacing it, nand is still cheaper to make, not going anywhere soon.

@tpg85404

7 жыл бұрын

Rahul Katre this is the new tech. 3D x point. Trust me, I work at Micron.

@rjcook450

7 жыл бұрын

me too. on this part and newer ones

@Geopirate3

7 жыл бұрын

Windows on 32GB? lol You're talking about the Linux master race!

At 2:20, regarding speed of drives you didn't list M.2 drives, are they in a different category? Weird,; I saw this a week ago (see previous comment) but missed the Optane having the OS versus Optane boosting the drive (SSD preferred) with the OS? I know a M.2 drive is faster then an SSD (SATA) but is it to a NVME? At 2:12 you said that motherboard has two M.2 drive slots so you can test my theory (in previous comment) and you can see if there's any difference with having the OS on the M.2 or Optane?

I hope the research done on this will bring it to the point of being actual storage. The future looks bright with ssds.

Why is it that 1080p is available first on a new video #slowinternet :(

You forgot the plus c on the indefinite integral.

With SSD prices expected to rise this year I could see this helping performance and cost budget and office PCs.

You were on Folsom?!? I'm from Cameron Park about 10 minutes from there.

Intel: Well 4k Netflix isn't working... We're a minuscule amount of money... Ideas? Intel Employee: More CPU Cache? Intel: WE"LL DO IT AND MAKE IT ONLY WORK ON OUR NEW PROCESSORS! NOW AMD USERS ARE FORCED TO BUY OUR STUFF Muhahahahhah...

@northwind2748

7 жыл бұрын

Karma It's called " *_Intel_* ligent marketing" HUEHUEHUEHUEHEUEHUEH

@Bizarre-Daniel

7 жыл бұрын

Banach-Tarski * Slow clap *

@pharohbender

6 жыл бұрын

just buy a ssd...XD

for $50 god damn, intel making some shit i can afford 😂😂

@DACFalloutRanger

7 жыл бұрын

keyword: shit

@james2042

7 жыл бұрын

DACFalloutRanger it's a joke, basically saying everything intel has is overpriced as hell

@Wowthatsfail

7 жыл бұрын

Hero don't waste your money

@ComputerWarrior

7 жыл бұрын

You can buy it for cheap. But need expensive hardware to use it...

Is optane connected through the chipset? Is it possible to put it on a pci card and use uncontested lanes to the cpu? Would that make a difference?

I didn't see you mentioning any tests booting from Optane as standalone storage.

Woah! What a coincidence everytime he says stutters and delays, my PC stutters!

@teav9881

7 жыл бұрын

Ben N. that was edited. i'm not sure if you were joking or not

integral of cabin is absolutely natural log cabin?

Are you able to access the Optane drive as a regular block device? Or does the Z270 firmware do all the voodoo and you just see your regular HDDs?

Hey I have the exact same case and almost thought linus stole my pc but realized im using it to watch the video