Only works well with older systems running off of a HDD, but needs an M.2 slot... Logic.

@NoBandsLand

7 жыл бұрын

Needs an M.2 slot / 270 series board / Kaby Lake Basically, a high end PC except you forgot to get it with an SSD

@rambir9421

7 жыл бұрын

is there a way to add m.2 slot using some PCI card? and will optane die like ssd after particular cycles?

@japzone

7 жыл бұрын

Du6e, no point since you need a motherboard and CPU that supports Optane as well.

@vgamesx1

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you can get M.2 / mSATA to PCI or PCI-e adapters but you're still gonna need a new motherboard and processor, of which should certainly have an M.2 slot, so it doesn't matter anyway...

@WorBlux

7 жыл бұрын

They are warrantied to 30 drive writes per day. Writes can also be done without erasing the whole block fist, eliminating write amplification, that are especially problematic for full or mostly full SSD drives.

aka the "I built an expensive enough modern pc to have an m.2 slot but forgot a sata 3 ssd" PC

@kittylover3597

7 жыл бұрын

i cri ;-;

@masaharumorimoto4761

7 жыл бұрын

HA!!!!! SO true!!!

@medotaku9360

7 жыл бұрын

But.. M.2 is kinda old, right? I know that SSD's built for them are relatively new but the Mobo in my 2 year old build was about 200 dollars and happened to have M.2 support. So, I just started using it. Upgraded from a WD Blue, this is my first SSD (outside of a chromebook) and yeah, it's fast. But I'm not /really/ seeing it as being 'incredibly amazing' or anything. It's definitely nothing to drool over.

@dorbie

7 жыл бұрын

Affordable 4 lane PCI Express support in M.2 is relatively new. See Samsung 960 Pro. It absolutely is incredibly amazing if you have an M.2. drive, but Optane is underwhelming.

@techpanda2022

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, i was thinking the same thing. Placing a mechanical drive as the boot drive just shouldn't happen in 2017.

A nice video explaining how the new optane memory works. The way linus explains things is humourous and interesting, which I love. Thank you for your great content, and hope you will keep it up.

Man awesome vedio very informative. I like the way you present the content in a funny and interesting way that makes me keep coming the the channel and have more of the great informations you provide to the viewers. And the passion you show towards your work is just inspiring, the builds, the videocards, the motherboards, just love them. Just want to thankyou for giving us the information about the bleeding edge technology, fast and foremost. An honest viewer

Chances are, if you are still only using a hard drive, you won't have a M.2 slot

@Nixy23

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. If I wanted to spruce up say.. my grandfathers old PC I would opt for a regular SATA SSD, because his 2010 motherboard cannot support M.2. I guess you could also buy a PCI-e adapter with an M.2 slot on it, but that would probably be more expensive than just a random SSD for the OS. :/

@mexicanmanjohn

7 жыл бұрын

it only works with kaby lake

@kimmaz4066

7 жыл бұрын

I have 3 harddrives still..

@febrianadji5758

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Doherty you're right

@Tailslol

7 жыл бұрын

i have 2 storage hard drive and a boot ssd....

Best solution in consumer level: buy an s.s.d. and make that a boot drive.

@paulogodinho3275

7 жыл бұрын

Even a 60gb one is enough.

@gaiustrollius9920

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I'd recommend a 120 gb one though just to be safe.

@eLJaybud

7 жыл бұрын

120 and 128 GB are the price sweet spot on a desktop, or be patient and wait for an offer and buy a 480 GB ssd like I fitted in my laptop a few years ago when I spotted a great deal. If anything prices seem to have gone up for storage not down.

@JacobALibra

7 жыл бұрын

I would love to had I not saved a years worth of stuff on a hdd and moving seems complicated.

@rustywp

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

I wasted my money on a 32Gb Optane module. First off, my Intel 600p NVMe isn't supported. Yes, Optane doesn't support Intel SSDs. Second, the Intel RAID was so buggy, it corrupted my drives and lost all my data 3 times, twice on my boot ssd I had to reinstall windows. Finally, it's only 1GB/s read in Crystal disk. A 250GB Samsung 960 EVO is 3 times faster and only $30 more expensive than a 32GB Optane.

@GENOSANDIEGO

6 жыл бұрын

Special EDy is this true? I can't use the optane on an Intel SSD?

@SpecialEDy

6 жыл бұрын

I was unable to pair it with the Intel 600p, I ended up finding it clearly written in the fine print on Intel's website that "their SSDs are not supported by optane".

@GENOSANDIEGO

6 жыл бұрын

Pretty odd. You would think they'd support their own products, but thanks for the heads-up!

@SpecialEDy

6 жыл бұрын

lewis hayward Kind of like the difference between driving a hotrod, or a prius with a warranty. They do make prebuilt PCs with warranties too though...

@nealboonyarit5212

6 жыл бұрын

Probably because Intel SSDs that aren't optane don't use Xpoint and makes it incompatible. Just my guess.

What I'm most interested in is whether or not this can solely be used to make a HDD faster while using an SSD as you main/boot drive and your HDD as your storage drive.

@marduk9496

6 жыл бұрын

here for the same info, got really annoyed it wasnt answered

@gpaulbr

6 жыл бұрын

No, you can't, the optane only speed up the main drive.

@Pradatoru

6 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Paul That is a fucking waste . It would've been so much worthed if it could do that

@matthewmurphy2631

6 жыл бұрын

You actually can... By simply using it as a PrimoCache....

@matthewmurphy2631

6 жыл бұрын

YOU CAN DO THIS... Use the drive as STAND ALONE STORAGE AND USE PRIMOCACHE.

This sounds nice, but low capacity SSDs that do the same thing are the same cost and are way more compatible, coming in all flavors from sata 3 to nvme. This is a neat solution to a problem that doesn't exist

@BikeHelmetMk2

7 жыл бұрын

The main area where this would be useful is older laptops sporting 5400RPM drives. Many have M.2 slots. This would be super useful to me if it could cache multiple drives that are not your OS SSD. I have lots of pictures. 1TB SSDs are pretty expensive to store them. This would be useful for caching that. I have a 6TB Steam games drive too. I also have some large video footage drives. (Nothing insanely high res - small projects that I work with, then move on. Perfect to fit in cache... and since many cheaper video editors hard code paths into their project files, and get grumpy if you ever move them, shuffling them from bulk HDD storage to SSD storage... caching without moving can simply save time.) Yeah, if it could do multiple drives and is Ryzen compatible, I'd buy one. 64GB preferred. (Since I'd be caching up to about 15TB of space.)

@TechyBen

7 жыл бұрын

Oh, yep, also possibly power savings. No idea if this has been mentioned or not? But again that is not consumer, that would be on the laptop manufactures... so why we are getting strange marketing from Intel. They kinda have this product that is deep into the workings of a PC, and trying to market it to the office people buying paperclips and pens.

@GifCoDigital

7 жыл бұрын

+shut your face you literally know nothing about this product. Try and actually do some research before watching one short video and think you are smarter than Intel

@legostarwarsrulez

7 жыл бұрын

how about instead of insulting me you go ahead and prove me wrong. in which ways am I wrong, and why? what does optane do that I don't understand, and what are its applications that I clearly don't know of?

@moileung

7 жыл бұрын

shut your face! I agree. this is just gimmicky trick. remember that ansel gimmick of nvidia on their 1070/1080 release. funny how it looks as if this optane "predicts" future load as if some neurocomputing. why not just release a new high capacity optane ssd like linus said. remember tape drives, then hard drives, then ssd, them m.2/nvme sticks then now optane mass media. not this "stick this optane stick to your harddrive then you will have faster load times" heh

So basically turn your HDD into an SSHD?

@tonyrulez69

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, in a PC that most likely already has an SSD since Optane requires Kaby Lake CPU, 270 series mobo and M.2 slot.

@TheOneVictor

7 жыл бұрын

Steven Gutierrez No. An SSD doesn't need programs to run 3 times top cache them, it's fast from the first, octane is useless, just get an ssd.

@Turbokees

7 жыл бұрын

SSHD =/= SSD

@D1.y

7 жыл бұрын

Steven Gutierrez yeah, thats what I though. But the optane cache is faster than an sshds ssd flash module i assume. And optane + hdd could be cheaper and more customizable. But i rather stick to my boot+CreativeCloud m.2 ssd (5s boot or less ^^), my 2tb gamedrive and my videodrive

@kelvinkms3671

7 жыл бұрын

Don't be scammed by Intel !!! Optane is useless and extremely expensive !!! $80 for only 32GB !!! Why not just buy Samsung 960 EVO 250GB PCIe NVMe M.2 ? Which only cost $128 and x8 times more capacity !!! and even faster than crap Intel Optane !!! so if you want same capacity Intel Optane then you will need to cost $640 for only 250GB !!! No point of crap product !!!

great video - you are often helping me out to find a good solution for a problem or to see if i shoud buy something ore not... keep going one like this! :)

RIP Tunnel Bear. 🐻

@LordsNeverWorry

6 жыл бұрын

Niranjan Bhat Badekila what?

@evseay9556

6 жыл бұрын

Supreme Plays they have severed their ties with tunnelbear due to them being bought by macafee

@mauibuilder1239

6 жыл бұрын

Wait, I thought you were done with Tunnel Bear. Tunnel Bear's interface is so cute but won't let me watch Amazon Prime when I go to the Caribbean....what's up with that? I had to resort to Express VPN.

@Jayce762

3 жыл бұрын

RIP TunnelBear you were loved

It is a shitty solution. You pay 100eur/usd get a 250gb ssd that works in shitty old systems as long they have sata. This is what i did to the shitty workplace PC. Like if you have a mobo with m.2 you don't have the budget for a ssd..shitty product

@twinkletoes6038

7 жыл бұрын

St0RM33 you can get a mobo that doesn't allow for over clocking but does have m.2 for 50-70 dollars. I just got one from gigabyte myself. I'm not advocating for this optane nonsense but any newer mobo should have an m.2 slot

@ivanbrasla

7 жыл бұрын

St0RM33 8

What old Computer has m.2?

@profosist

7 жыл бұрын

Ethan L none because it doesn't work with them anyways

@phenixnunlee372

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. My computer from 2010 does not maybe a pcie adapter to m.2 but at that point you could buy an ssd.

@t4iga121

7 жыл бұрын

and a 200 series Intel Chipsets Motherboard xD

@CRuffelz

7 жыл бұрын

exactly what i was going to say as well

@CorentinLeman

7 жыл бұрын

maybe someone who would want to buy a new computer...buys a motherboard, a PSU, a CPU, a graphic card, some ram, and... oh damn, no more money for an SSD! too bad, will have to stick with my old 1tb HDD and buy an optane stick...

Are we going to start a new series. "Here's a computer Linus. YOU tell us what's special about it."

This video really help me decide if I wanted to get one of these very informative thank you

If optane was an add in PCI card to use in older existing PC's then it would make more sense. Seems like they missed the target market with the optane cards.

@WhiteoutTech

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob F jup.

@mcgetrekt2388

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob F They want you to buy their kaby Lake CPUs, and most if not all kaby Lake motherboards have an m.2 slot

@larrylentini5688

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Intel has been making a lot of dick moves to push people towards buying newer hardware and it isn't without concequences.

@gabem.5691

6 жыл бұрын

Optane memory can be added via a m.2 pci card

@getoastet1075

6 жыл бұрын

I think it would have been great if you could put it older pcs via pcie adapter card. And if it also is very easy and fast to set up. It would have been a great way to speed up pcs of not so techy-savvy friends. No pulling data from a hdd to an ssd and not telling them all the time that they should install all the stuff on drive c. Idealy just installing, enabling and there pc is faster. Missed chance.

So it's worthless/useless for people with SSDs, meh.

@Hccoh005

7 жыл бұрын

for people whit hdd to you can buy 128gb ssds for 50€. So most useless product ever.

@superkurad

7 жыл бұрын

but if you have a 1 Tb HDD it would be better option than buying a 128 gb ssd

@anthonyseboe4646

7 жыл бұрын

given ssd space and money = 128/ $40. give space of hdd and money 1tb/ $56. now add $40 to the 1tb and you get $90. If I were to get a ssd 1tb size it would cost me around $350. I'll take the, cheaper, hhd option.

@tech4freelancers310

7 жыл бұрын

@kurad Not really. I'd take an SSD with user-addressable storage and an HDD every day of my life, instead of resorting to SSD caching, which to me feels like the worse compromise. Not to mention, there is really no compelling reason to go with anything higher-specced than a SATA 3 SSD for a regular desktop user.

@counterpoint6715

7 жыл бұрын

Important thing to note regarding caching is that it only benefits a small, albeit fairly used portion of a hard drive. an SSD will be faster with any and all program installed upon it. With Optane, only frequently used programs will benefit. Not to mention only Kaby Lake supports Optane, which means you'll need to fork over quite the wad of cash just to be able to make your "cheap" HDD run at near-SSD levels

The next big thing in computers will be my 'SSRD' (Solid State Ram drive). It will be an SSD built into a DIMM style PCB with RAM, but will retain the Ram data for short periods even when turned off (instant boot time), and allow for massively improved SSD access speeds.

@orbiter1ful

7 жыл бұрын

10p6 no I think CPU l1 cache drives‚ like a CPU at 500MHz but its L1 cache (fastest computer memory) reaching upwards of a hundred GB would be the next big thing.

@Dippo6905

6 жыл бұрын

+Bien Vincent Balansag I think you are right, but i don't think we will see it in a consumer product.

@camaroblackmatte

6 жыл бұрын

nope they dont want us to have dataservers speeds for desktop, m2 will be your solid drive and nothing else... miniaturized YES, expensive YES, fast NO, WHY ? ...corporations/governments that slow us down for easy surveillance ...

@samcan9997

6 жыл бұрын

think thats allready an option when you use a SSD its called hibanate and sleep mode is compatable with pc even from 1995 and comes at a cost of 0£/$

@mrc14_2

6 жыл бұрын

Hmm, i had that idea in my head.

Your new thumbnails are so funny i lol them every time. You inspired me to build my own pc and I loved it. Thank you. (Good vid 👍)

I like the sound of a naturally aspirated hard drive better. Maybe just my opinion.

@Maky313

7 жыл бұрын

lol! excellent!!

@tmmtmm

7 жыл бұрын

no replacement for displacement huh

@Kevin-nb6nj

7 жыл бұрын

I only have SSD's in my Desktop hdd's are to loud. And to slow.

@Mattdude411

7 жыл бұрын

Kevin I agree. I originally started with a boot 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD but damn they're way too loud, shook my entire PC case, and was unreliable and slow. I swapped out that 1TB HDD for a 1TB SSD (back when 1TB SSDs were normally >$200), and ended up getting rid of the small 120GB boot drive with a 500GB 960 EVO.

@motoXcR

7 жыл бұрын

i really wanted to make a shitty "wastegate-choo-choo-choo" pun....buttfuck it...

Is there any technical reason why Intel is limiting this to Kaby Lake, or is it just them being assholes and trying to find a reason for Kaby Lake to exist in the first place, because I'm pretty sure this is not going to be "too fast" for a M.2 slot on a Skylake or Ryzen?

@symbian74

7 жыл бұрын

They didn't provide any technical reason for limiting Optane to Series 2XX chipsets and Kabylake. AFAIK, greed isn't a technical reason. :p

@Bingocat

7 жыл бұрын

Intel's definitely limiting this to get you to upgrade to Kaby Lake, IMHO.

@morosis82

7 жыл бұрын

The reason is validation - they don't want to spend the money to validate that it will work on 99.9% of systems straight off the bat using older hardware. It *should* work ok on skylake, but they haven't validated it so won't let people use it. It comes down to this - if they say 'it should work on skylake', then the hordes will buy it, many times it won't work, and then they'll have to deal with returns and all other sorts of bullshit, as well as bad publicity.

@SummonerArthur

7 жыл бұрын

autarchprinceps theyre being assholes

@pih

7 жыл бұрын

Nah, as long as you have the PCIe interface theres no need to do validation, it will "just work" validation is not hard at all also, they have hundreds of benches They either incorporated DRM into the CPU's microcode or the optane memory itself, there is REALLY nothing new here other than xpoint and its clear they are intentionally limiting it to kaby for marketing reasons

My heart skips a beat every time he hits and drops the SSD's.

@iamseanlowe

6 жыл бұрын

Why its SSD thats the point its solid state there is nothing to be knocked..

@Real_Retrophilia

6 жыл бұрын

Why? It's an SSD, not a mechanical drive...

@danielzuniga9050

6 жыл бұрын

I've been selling computer part since 1992, I've participated in many computer reviews with the major computer dealers in all these past years. When I saw the very first SSD in my carrer (2012), the Kinston guys presented this video for comercial purpposes. Check it out and you will never skip a single heart beat for beating an SSD. I have SSD's since then. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYqszK2CY8bdYMY.html

@getl0st

5 жыл бұрын

He is a good example of who NOT to send your computer to if you want to get it fixed....

@Ghryst

5 жыл бұрын

slams the whole fucking pc down on the desk during the intro.. he obviously has lost all respect for builds

What a terrific show. First-rate from start to finish. How soon would you predict something as peripherally peripheral becomes an actual drive replacement option (in terms of how long do you think they'll make us wait)? Is this tech in laptops yet?

Who the hell has only an hdd but a board with an m2 slot?

@Icanhasautomaticcheeseburger

7 жыл бұрын

That was my first thought... Who has built a computer with Kaby Lake without an SSD?

@mikes2687

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick Kuhlmann yeah person would be me lol. im just running a 1tb blue on my pc, couldnt justify buy an ssd at the time

@Pizzapogoo

7 жыл бұрын

Mike s But even in that case I'd rather buy an ssd for ur OS than this thing 😀

@bethboppt

7 жыл бұрын

Yup, me too. A 1TB SSD cost $380 USD where I live.

@Retadin

7 жыл бұрын

People with low budget pentium G4560 and B250 boards.

Is it only me, or Linus is never careful with the hardware???

@RichardPatry52

7 жыл бұрын

He's getting worse too, makes my blood pressure go up.

@DominikKristek

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, exactly... When I saw how they assembly a computer... just sht.

@SouthwestGaming

7 жыл бұрын

this guy is a pro making rookie mistakes .......

@mathieupare9269

7 жыл бұрын

Il devrait apprendre à manipulé le matériel. Vive les E.S.D..

@TheN8ism

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed, just because you have a warehouse full of computer hardware, doesn't mean the rest of us aren't cringing.

I really like Sebastian and the way he delivers the information ... All the best my friend :)

Hey Linus, great video. Humor and very useful information, great combination!

Your testing was only with single drive systems, so I am curious how this works with multi-drive systems where each drive can vary drastically in speed. My system has 2 SSDs and 3 HDDs (OS on an SSD, HDDs mostly mass game storage) would I notice any improvements with this say when accessing files or applications from the HDDs?

@WarmlyFrozen

7 жыл бұрын

Tony Cole the Intel obtained performance video had the answer in the comments but I remember it came to the conclusion that it's pointless. The loading times boost it gives for games is marginal or none existent, it only helps with OS/boot really but you could just buy an SSD for that

@s03t01o02

7 жыл бұрын

No difference Optain is for the boot drive it cache in optimistic thinking the pagefile ssd is fast enough one way to make this methode really fast were pagefile in ramdisk. is copy for boot pcie gen3 x4 =4gb/s vs ssd 500mb/s System booots faster. for this should i pay 80bucks. for faster boot. come on my system starts with ssd coldboot 40sec with a smalöer mainboard with less hardware it would be 10-15sec Worthless thing

@ww3fugitive

7 жыл бұрын

Well Optane cannot address RAID configurations so multi-drive systems won't benefit from it.

@evanklink1

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Dimech multi drive systems don't have to be configured as raid in order to benefit

@TheLiasas

7 жыл бұрын

You said it yourself. Its mass storage. Hence y -n how- the Fuck would you want to speed that? This lol Shit is just a small ssd for putting the os +1 game? into. So at best you could get 1 game running faster at a time? (Or mb Nothing. If you run many normaly)

The manly way of shutting down a pc, that alone deserves a thumbs up

@Cam275YT

6 жыл бұрын

And I had just finished watching his video on "What Happens If You Don't Shut Down Your Computer Properly?"

@SleepyPonyLabs

6 жыл бұрын

same lol

@tux9656

6 жыл бұрын

It used to be the standard way of shutting down a PC.

great video , it's pretty intresting knowing that you can have speeds simular to ssd on a high capacity storage drive , plus the're quiet cheap for the performance gain they deliver .

i have not finished the video(i'm at 4:39) but i'm glad you decided to test the ssd cause it's something i have been curious to know about.

Read the video title? There is a difference between 'Intel Optane Review' and 'Tubrocharge your SS for $40??' . But I still enjoy Linus' style :D .

@James-kf7xh

7 жыл бұрын

first comment grats

@Murphistic

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :) Do I get extra points for not mentioning 'First'?

@James-kf7xh

7 жыл бұрын

yeah extra kudo points to you

@nathanbrutal4183

7 жыл бұрын

Murphistic Same.

@ThetaReactor

7 жыл бұрын

The video title didn't tell me shit. This is the sort of clickbait title that annoys people.

The target audience for this product does not exist.

@TheMilenkata

7 жыл бұрын

hahaha, as a marketing bachelor i'm fully agree!

@xion637

7 жыл бұрын

couldn't agree more.

@addanametocontinue

7 жыл бұрын

Considering the cost of SSD drives nowadays, that would be an accurate statement.

@nagoshi01

7 жыл бұрын

This. As someone with a compatible new mobo and a 7600k KabyLake processor, I already have an NVME ssd. Why would I need this?

@AdamJonesPullman

7 жыл бұрын

Admittedly, if I went and purchased one of the 8TB drives newegg had and then used it on this, it would be about $220.... I cant get a 8TB SSD for $220......

Nice review. Useful conclusion. Thank you!

I thought the real question was "But, can it run Crisis"!

0:39 omg, so that's how you're supposed to get it out. My life is not gonna be the same

@diegod1177

6 жыл бұрын

plz never do that

@peytoncox8146

6 жыл бұрын

*dumps it out* UUUUUGH

@Ioganstone

6 жыл бұрын

HRRRRR *THUNK*

I'm building a pc with a budget of 90 cents. Any suggestions?

@Drex2580

7 жыл бұрын

sebastian d'costa get a calculator

@mso1ps4

7 жыл бұрын

sebastian d'costa Fill a sock with 90 cents worth of pennies and rob your closest computer store with your newly-crafted weapon.

@SuperGermn

7 жыл бұрын

sebastian d'costa check craigslist for free pc, pay parents 90c for gas to pick it up

@Nords_e87_130i

7 жыл бұрын

sebastian d'costa Use your parents pc.

@nathanbrutal4183

7 жыл бұрын

sebastian d'costa Get a job.

I see this more for laptops. It looks very light and small and It would let me boot quickly for basic school work, but still have a 1Tb drive for storing movies. It also appears to be popular with budget laptop manufacturers who are saving money on ram.

Thanks for this video very helpful to me keep the good work

screw optane. i'm absolutely unimpressed.

@Seventybroad

7 жыл бұрын

potato potato potato potato potato potato potato why 9

@rocconicoletta6547

7 жыл бұрын

everything is either a potato or not a potato

@MrPunkassfuck

7 жыл бұрын

Definitely worth billions in R&D to come to the conclusion it's just like an SSD in 99% of cases. Maybe good on the stock market but why even mention it to consumers?

@crazyvet112

7 жыл бұрын

Rocco Nicoletta Actually they have potatoes cross-bread with spiders. MMMMmmmm..... Welcome to the NWO. Welcome to 2017, where everything is corrupted and fake.

@Commodore4eva

7 жыл бұрын

Yep the difference in the benchmarks are negligible, which means from a scientific standpoint it's irrelevant and is the same..There is always a 3 to 7% difference in results and what we are seeing is that difference which makes this product benchmark irrelevant. This is almost worse than the Kingston SSD fiasco with Kingston baiting and switching. Honestly with how high-capacity RAM is getting cheaper, it would be more logical to buy more RAM and make a RAM disk.

Isn't the tittle suppose to be "Turbocharge your HDD for $40"?

@likeaboz

7 жыл бұрын

nah he's really wondering if you can turbocharge the ssd. He's pretty certain that it will have some effect on the HDD

@jonasventurejr.6582

7 жыл бұрын

clickbait titles

@alexhumphrey588

7 жыл бұрын

not all m.2s are the same

@BrianSu

7 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget M.2 is a slot. You can use SATA SSDs in M.2 as well so they're not necessarily faster.

@samtruong5682

7 жыл бұрын

I think the tittle should be "Turbocharge your HDD for $40" because it has more significant improvements on an HDD than an SSD and its aimed towards people that use HDD

Linus don't you know by now touching contacts is only for connectors not humanoid skin ;)

1:18 Holy shit, that's the exact case my computer has.

@orionprime2543

3 жыл бұрын

Still have 2 likes after 3 years

Linus should've done a "Stupid Product. No one buy it" style review video because this is really an idiotic product in light of cheap, large capacity SSDs for similar pricing. Here's what I bet happened. Intel spent too long on Optane R&D and thought to recoup some money for now by selling this garbage to some suckers.

@profosist

7 жыл бұрын

Red Leader or they already developed the tech which has its uses at super high cost and are trying to find other ways to use it? Also bigger specs still sell better at retail. They'll take the 1 or 2 TB HDD over even the 256GB SSD the majority of the time.

@faeinthebay

7 жыл бұрын

Elliot Kaufman The problem is that a cache doesn't accelerate the whole drive at once. It can speed up boot times, but other sites' tests found that Windows boot files can be evicted from the cache if it determines another segment of data is more important.

@poopipeboy3033

7 жыл бұрын

Reviewers will do anything to keep their Intel sponsorship. Simple as that.

@enlightendbel

7 жыл бұрын

+Fernando Macena current generation of CPU's have a mini NB on chip. On Ryzen the x16 PCIe slot, a bunch of the USB ports etc are all hosted on the CPU.

@iriebaby1990

7 жыл бұрын

HardThinker Linus Media is not sponsored by Intel, even if one of their sponsors products sucks LMG will tell it how it is.

Did Intel run out of boxes with their own logo on them?

@intentionallyleftblank3796

7 жыл бұрын

thought the same...

@PureRushXevus

7 жыл бұрын

Christian Stout nono, it's one of inwin's retro style cases. :p

550 watt PSU for that invisible 1080GTX :D

Pumping your great intros since 2008

jesus, who gave linus a red bull before shooting the video...?

@crazyshoota

7 жыл бұрын

ikno right.. pinging hard lol..

how about two optane modules in raid 0

@AnthonySBD

7 жыл бұрын

tbh im more or less waiting for it to mature even more and maybe have one day a boot drive that is also the ram with this module if they make a mobo series for it. (or for the price to drop enough so said raid config isnt life shattering costs)

4:20 Moment of pure relief that Linus is still Linus

Thanks Linus, I'm just starting out, but I'm learning a ton from your videos.

Lmao, useless tech. What's the point if I can't use it in old systems like my Phenom II PC. If I'm gonna use Kaby Lake, I'll be using SSDs thank you very much.

@hbudiman14

7 жыл бұрын

A. Haikal Ruslan useless? for you maybe yes. but if someone have plan to build affordable workstation, rather than buy 1 tb ssd it's better to get this and 3tb storage.

@SzDavidHUN

7 жыл бұрын

Then buy a smaller SSD and a bigger HDD. You'll have larger chache. Didn't checked prices, but maybe 500 GB SSD + 3 TB HDD?

@CatPlayer

7 жыл бұрын

What about the people with g4560/7100/7350k?

@spencer3580

7 жыл бұрын

If you have a 7350k then you obviously have no problem throwing out your money on something less performant.

@aintgotnobody5518

7 жыл бұрын

Spencer rekt

readyboost re-invented. Pointless in my opinion.

@LordBufu

7 жыл бұрын

Funny that is the same thing that popped into my head after linus explained what the video was about :P

@bobsagget823

7 жыл бұрын

primocache already does it better and is more flexible.

@vickas54

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, Intel is being a little silly with their marketing. It's really only useful in database & virtualization environments, I think. In the future, if they can get longevity up, I could see 3DXpoint becoming main RAM and internal storage in mobile devices. If they get *really* improved performance and longevity in the future, then it could even shift the model from 8M cache8G DRAM8T disk, closer to 128M cache128G 3DXRAM8T disk for a middle budget system. The future of this stuff could be in DIMMs, not M.2.

I can see a use for this in super specific contexts. With new laptops (if possible), you can add the octane and have your HDD be a 2nd SSD (ish). With things like people emulating Breath of the Wild, you'd see increased shader times by having that 32GB of caching (which I think is very useful). Bottom line is, if you're an enthusiast this isn't a hard buy.

linus your way of thinking is the spirit of a real computer tech fan boy, i love it

I heard if you put it in the oven for 25 seconds you can boost it by 300%!

@VoidCraftedGamingHD

7 жыл бұрын

Mazxlol *put it in the **_microwave_*

@dthatcher7

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah that gives it super nuclear power!! :)

I appreacheate you adressing alot of the critizism of the sponsored video on this. What would interest me is how well this performs against the cheapest 128gb ssd you can find on amazon (should be about 40$ as well) used as system partition and used as cache using bcache (which would have the benefit of being able to cache alot more stuff).

@japzone

7 жыл бұрын

jackthemapper That'd be interesting.

@Rattacko

7 жыл бұрын

yeah 128GB makes no sense. I personally can't go below 500GB :P

@jackthemapper

7 жыл бұрын

The point is to compare two options at the same price point which would be 120gb SSD vs 32gb optane or 240gb vs 64gb optane. If SSD + Optane doesnt outperform SSD i dont suspect HDD + Optane outperforms HDD + regular SSD cache.

I love how clean and simple this PC is.

So funny story but militarized versions of this are going into the Mitsubishi joint MLU program for the f22 raptor . If one looks at the production and development chain , well it doesn’t make much sense in the consumer market but for more archaic boards , in speciality markets , or proprietary industrial chip sets , commonly you’ll find m2 slots - m2 slots are old, they are just re utilized technology. It’s interesting

its crazy how much computers have advanced lately. how the hell are they able to manufacture magnetic tape small enough to fit inside that tiny piece of plastic and still have so much memory?

@shadop5316

6 жыл бұрын

Theres google, where you can find those answers. "Its so crazy how they made something to search for information from multiple sources! How the hell does that fit in my phone" sarcasm

Didn't you guys do an octane video a month ago? I'm confused.

@DioOmicida

7 жыл бұрын

Honestly I spoke prior to videos end and realized my mistake.

@priultimus

7 жыл бұрын

DioOmicida discord.gg/Y4DK4n4

i wanna see a benchmark of a computer with a SSHD and optane.

i have this case, and i love it, originally seated a pentium on a 775 socket.

Misleading title. Did not teach me to give my SSD forced induction.

@JWeel89

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Shea Didn't you see the question marks? Linus just rekt Intel by saying this product is shit. Because who is running a Z270 without a SSD?

@ADoughtyPhotography

7 жыл бұрын

someone missed the turbo joke. wish my pc made turbo noises as well...wooosh pffft

@rms4455

7 жыл бұрын

DoNotAskJeeves Finally someone understands lol

@xaanvr5784

7 жыл бұрын

With a turbo I reckon I can get my pc down to 10 maybe even 9 ms in the 1/4 megabyte benchmark

@Laughing_Individual

7 жыл бұрын

Ubersonic well excuse me if I'm out of the loop to your inside joke. Whatever it's meant to be. I'm just sick of idiots not reading the damn title and then crying "Clickbait". There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

I would like to have seen an NVMe SSD used as a caching mechanism for the harddrive as well.

@faeinthebay

7 жыл бұрын

Lars Bolduc An old version of the Optane software actually allowed that since the Optane drive is basically just a NVMe drive with different performance characteristics lol

I found a use for this thing. I built a new i5 for a non-techie, budget-conscious friend who takes a lot of photos with his SLR. A 2TB hard disk with Optane cache was the best option for him because it cost less than a 500GB SSD and he won't have to manage separate boot and data volumes. This means I won't get a call when his boot volume fills up with photos. Meanwhile, the thing boots and loads MS Office quickly, so he's pleased.

I would wait not necessarly for a much bigger one, but for a thing I can plug in sata slot. 4k random read IOPs is pretty impressive difference, and it is seems to be legit way to host swap, to overcome max memory limitations of 8,16MB of ram in notebooks and such.

I see no point to this product. If you have a PC that is new enough to take an optane module, you likely have an SSD and if it doesn't take an SSD to NVME performance, what's the point of this?

@ahmedmonime

6 жыл бұрын

It's supposed to be added to hard drive 4 tb ssd= $1600 4tb hdd + optane for similar speed= $200

@JE-zl6uy

6 жыл бұрын

But it won't ever be "Similar Speed" - normally you get 2 drives, one SSD and one HDD. And honestly if I have an M.2 slot I'm not going to fill it with an Optane - I'm gonna put an M.2 SSD in there.

@slamlander3360

6 жыл бұрын

I just built a system with an ASUS PRIME B250M-PLUS . It has 2 M.2 slots or which one has a 500GB WD SSD and the other has 32GB optane. The HDD are 2x WD Black 2TB in RAID 1. Yes, the Optane makes a difference for the RAID array, not so much for the SSD.

@wkwee6198

6 жыл бұрын

thought Optane only works on primary boot drives, how does it help the 2X WD HDD?

@JE-zl6uy

6 жыл бұрын

you can technically set a swap/paging file for the RAID

B-but L-Linus, turbochargers slow down acceleration.

@kingspammernerd

7 жыл бұрын

Thonmoy Rahman Not if you launch them properly to compensate for lag.

@DGCastell

7 жыл бұрын

brake-boosting amirite?

@kingspammernerd

7 жыл бұрын

Short Gears Yep

@vforvendetta4538

7 жыл бұрын

Thonmoy Rahman tell that to a nissan Gtr

@harpskid

7 жыл бұрын

Your profile pic is the ultimate troll...thought my screen had a crack

Sounds like best use with ZFS cache device and zfs intent log and most important as a swap device. Providing there are actual both illumos/MacOS/Linux/FreeBSD drivers and OS support for it's best use as non-volatile disk space (meaning, that behavior of reusing retaining data after shutdown)...so encryption on such devices is a must.. (Also no stinkin' Win-doze spyware, thanks).

4 years from now when small companies have KB Lake processors and they need me to work on them this will definitely work. For system responsiveness

Linus, may i suggest a config worth trying partition the ssd so there is an os partition and a smaller games partition. then config the optane to accelerate the second partion only . please run a video investigating this config

@ryanrolet7388

6 жыл бұрын

Optane can only accelerate the primary boot drive IIRC

@kebubas

6 жыл бұрын

so no multi-HDD ?

@imfukingurmom6772

6 жыл бұрын

Nick Fury h

@matthewmurphy2631

6 жыл бұрын

Yet again that is incorrect. You think in the box too much. Intel optane can be used as stand alone storage... WHICH MEANS! A program like PrimoCache would work.

Dude, calm down. You're hitting things too much

@dogboy0912

7 жыл бұрын

I cringed a bit every time he tapped and scraped the Optane (even though I learned it was useless by the end of the video.)

@SouthwestGaming

7 жыл бұрын

for real !!!! if it was his pc he wouldn't be doing this lol

@lulack0

7 жыл бұрын

ye rofl it may look life hes being rough with it but man u gotta remember this guy's been around this shit his whole life hes knows what hes doing lol.

@SouthwestGaming

7 жыл бұрын

this is setting a bad example for noobs getting into pc , calling out Linus Tech , not the correct way to handle PC hardware period ..........

@RR-ho3td

7 жыл бұрын

Harshtimes1125 setting a bad example for pc noobs? Hell, noobs won't even know what Linus is doing. Therefore, they won't even get to this video.

I would love to see this tested with the largest base model Barracuda or WD Blue like this vs that WD Black or WD Gold. Also, I'd love to see an SSD cache vs the Optane cache.

@tek_soup

Жыл бұрын

2023 im runnin a 64 gig optane, with a 22tb wd red pro. works good. i just have it as a game drive. sucks, that my next build optane is gone, there not in the latest Z790. ill have to use Primo Cache. or go back to using my inmotus fusion drive, wich is almost at lifes end.

@danb4900

Жыл бұрын

@@tek_soup It does fucking suck, I love the optane chips, shit was slept on as fuck. What alternatives are there, because I love a big ass HDD that is almost as fast as an SSD.

I've been running a 4 hd RAID -0 array (80gb each) for many years now. Very fast. No data fade. Runs great! would like to see what a RAID array would do on the optane.

"turbocharge your SSD" - Oh you mean Hybrid drives V2.0? The failed concept that hasn't improved since the first iteration due to its insane randomness? Right. ;)

@profosist

7 жыл бұрын

Mansen SRT works quite well especially when you also cache writes. I use it on RAID arrays as well.

@TheFPSPower

7 жыл бұрын

It works quite well, it's just that people don't give it the value they price the things at because for the extra money you can almost buy an SSD

@profosist

7 жыл бұрын

what if you already have one and use this on your secondary storage games etc drive? Think outside the box a bit like I said I use SRT on my RAID10 array which is a darn handy feature.

what's with the static in the background...

@ethanlankford3036

7 жыл бұрын

randomly stops at about 5:36

@KiRaShiKReaTiVe

7 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too. Bothered me a lot. It's like a scratchy guinea pig rubbing against a Sasquatch.

G550M. Good PSU. I'm still rocking mine after a few years with no issues and it was at a good price point too for semi-modular.

We would like to see benchmarks with the standard hard drive, what kind of improvements there, will it be up to par with an SSD?

video starts at 4:41

At 5:42 in the video...How can you possibly get 1400 MB/s reads on a KC400 SSD ?

My dog usually only looks at the tv when other dogs are making a racket on it, but for some reason she was fixated on this video

Perhaps useful to boost the performances of your HDD used for mainly storage and having a SSD as system/app drive?

Clearly the title is inversely descriptive vs clickbait. Here's a recommendation, free of charge: Turbocharge your SSD for $40?? | Intel Optane Review No need to thank me. It helps with that search bar on the top of the screen too.

@michaelherrera4450

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Vandermeer It seems that Linus has gone to the Austin Evans school of making every description a question.

@Leongon

7 жыл бұрын

That would be a respectable way to handle the titles. The way they are doing it now is just obnoxious clickbait... while if they include what the video is actually about with a separation from the clickbait part it's both better for their audience and for browsing.

@falcofurious

7 жыл бұрын

Doesn't seem like your channel is doing too great, why not let the pros do what they do best.

@izunapfol

7 жыл бұрын

I agree

@ffh2303

7 жыл бұрын

That's a very good title. Please make it this format next time LTT

I was so optimistic until I heard it's only on pretty new systems. Then I began to save up more $$$ for an SSD.

@vgamesx1

7 жыл бұрын

What are you saving up for? You can get a 120GB SSD on ebay for as low as $30-$40 www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-SSDNow-UV400-2-5-120GB-SSD-SATA-III-TLC-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-/222434074826?hash=item33ca1aa0ca:g:VawAAOSwB-1YwOyc

@zeroDOTjon

7 жыл бұрын

I got a kingston ssd from ebay for $40. It died in six months. I got a Samsung SSD for $100 from Fry's to replace it. That was two years ago and it's still going strong.

Good fact finding and tho the difference is smaller with an ssd a hard drive makes more noise and is clunky sounding which matters - i went m.2 nvme for storage needs which for now is plenty fast

Get 8gb or 16gb of used RAM if you have a free ram slot and then use it as cache for your SSD and/or HDD with Primocache.

Whoa I was making dinner with blue apron while watching this :O

Would be cool if I could use it. Can't use it and instead of buying a new Kabylake that otherwise is not appealing to me I can just buy an SSD.

Valid use-case for Optane accelerating a large-capacity mechanical hard drive: Large-capacity SSD's don't use SLC; they use MLC which have greater density, but a reduced lifespan. Am I correct in understanding that a mechanical drive (which has been stress-tested and passed its infant mortality period) will likely have a greater lifespan than a MLC SSD?

So which exhaust do we use to spin the turbine again?

Watching this in 2019 trying to understand the meaning behind Optane I feel like watching WWII documentary. That's how "old" the tech is now, with M.2 NVMe drives with 10x the write speed becoming fairly available. I mean, I can get 512GB NVMe for nearly the same price as 64GB Optane, with 2.5x faster read and 8x faster write.

@morosis82

4 жыл бұрын

You can buy big optane drives to use like you would an SSD, and they are beltingly quick, but as a caching mechanism I can't see why you wouldn't simply use an ssd as you'll get similar real world performance and be able to cache a LOT more for the money.

@NewLondonMarshall

4 жыл бұрын

Optane wipes the floor with SSDs in terms of performance. It's not about sequential read and write speeds. But yeah the newer Optane modules are faster.

@morosis82

4 жыл бұрын

@@NewLondonMarshall yeah, optane is a fair bit quicker, but is it actually noticeable outside of benchmarks, especially as a caching drive?

@NewLondonMarshall

4 жыл бұрын

@@morosis82 In fact it is the opposite. In benchmarks which focus on sequential read and write speeds like all SSDs are advertised (850 Pro is 550 MB/s) the optane SSDs look much worse, but in real world applications the optane SSDs are so much faster its just funny!

@morosis82

4 жыл бұрын

@@NewLondonMarshall no I get it, optanes party trick is random access. But from what I've seen, they hhave no real advantage outside synthetic benchmarks for a desktop user. Database servers might be different, but then you're not caching with them probably.

why the clickbaity title? it doesn't turbocharge your ssd, it does it for your hdd.

@CrushOfSiel

7 жыл бұрын

The title is a question, the video answers it... Somewhat clickbaity but that is what taking advantage of KZread algorithms looks like in 2k17.

I wonder how much of a performance difference there is between the two optane memory sizes. Does twice the size mean twice the acceleration over the smaller one?

Maybe for a gaming laptop that has a HDD? Say you get a cheaper configuration of a gaming laptop with an HDD instead of an SSD, and want a cheap way to boost the speed?

Sure a mid 2000 pc with a kayby lake cpu sure linus

@un4givingrelentless574

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Unterberger 😂

@DJNoseT

7 жыл бұрын

It's about the looks of the case...Oo :D

@user-pw5by5jw8p

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Unterberger "styled"

@matthewdwu5441

7 жыл бұрын

yea

@asj3419

7 жыл бұрын

If you don´t waste half the budget on LEDs, your computer will suck.

"yesteryear"...

You nailed it, only supports 200 intel chip sets & above, bought optaine for a 170 chipset before discovering it didn't support it. So sits in its box till future motherboard upgrade.

I died when he trowed the box upside down at the table