Notes: The coastline shown on the map I drew is the ancient coast line. So on modern maps the archaeological site of Susa will be shown looking further from the modern coast line compared to this map above. if you look at the light blue areas at the top of the gulf that corresponds to the modern coastline. One of the most interesting things I find about the Elam is their unusual matrilineal royal succession. It might have been beneficial having an heir who could be raised with the full attention of both parents and not a monarch too busy running the country. It interesting to theorize on the potential benefits of this system.

@amiroo0o581

5 жыл бұрын

Epimetheus Persian gulf my brother, not THE GULF. U’re an educated person cmon

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

Using the ancient coastline is a sign of quality, of love of details (and details do matter a lot). IMO if the royals were matrilineal, all society was, there's no reason to have been different. A lot of Neolithic populations through the World are or have been matrilineal, for example the Iroquois, or many African nations as well.

@_robustus_

5 жыл бұрын

Did you intend the map having the Kassites from the plateau instead of the Zagros? Is there archeology supporting this?

@tyronechillifoot5573

5 жыл бұрын

It was actually a common thing in states along the african sahel

@sfccapello

5 жыл бұрын

Brother make a video about the Arameans, they are still alive, the todays Syriacs.

England and France: We have this long-lasting frenemy thing going on. Iraq and Iran: What do you mean with long-lasting?

@Hanesboi

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO so true

@ousamadearu5960

4 жыл бұрын

China, Korea, Japan: Hold our wine.

@chadthunderstorm8148

4 жыл бұрын

@@ousamadearu5960 not as old as Mesopotamia.

@ousamadearu5960

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadthunderstorm8148 you do not get the joke do you?

@wildfire9280

4 жыл бұрын

@@ousamadearu5960 The joke is wrong, so...

Fun facts related to elamites: 1:The name of their city , Susa was Persianized as Huz in Old Persian, through common sound changes this word became Khuz and to this day the province in south western Iran that was previously inhabited be Elamites is still called Khuzestan and it is inhabited by mostly Lurs and a considerable Arab minority which again raises the question if Lurs are related to Elamites. 2: The Elamite language might have survived well until the 8th century, as a Muslim geographer (don't remember his name) mentions a language which he calls Khuzi spoken in south western modern Iran's province of Khuzestan. 3: The city of Susa still exists, known as Shush in Iran and has a population of 77000 people(according to wikipedia) 4: There is a province called Ilam(i.e. elam) in Iran although not located in the exact location of their civilization but still gets its name from them.

@_robustus_

5 жыл бұрын

No matter what language was spoken in khuzistan, it would be called khuzi by outsiders.

@supremelordoftheauspicious2928

5 жыл бұрын

Robustus True that, but still a possibility

@7afeedalsunnah218

5 жыл бұрын

West Khuzestan is almost completely Arab, most of Khuzestan was before the mountain dwelling Lors moved j to the region.

@hassanbassim4007

5 жыл бұрын

I think the Muslim scholar was talking about the Sumerian language , I think you are talking about Al-Jahiz who is a famous Muslim historian and scientist in Basra city on southern Iraq , I red an article from one of his books and he did said that an unknown language still spoken in the region that is not Aramaic nor Persian .

@fanzy1338

5 жыл бұрын

7afeed Al Sunnah In Khuzestan province only 30% speak Arabic of which 15% are ethnic Arab. The rest are Lurs, Qashqai, Afshar, indigenous Persians, Iranian Armenians, and half of Khuzestan’s population is Bakhtiari.

I love ancient middle eastern civilizations.

@jibriel4918

5 жыл бұрын

😉

@resistance-is-growing7632

5 жыл бұрын

*West Asian* is the correct name.

@omegaink5635

5 жыл бұрын

@@resistance-is-growing7632 I don't think so

@resistance-is-growing7632

5 жыл бұрын

@@omegaink5635 those countries you Westerns claim to be Middle Easterns are part of Asia, they are Asian countries. Google it and you will see.

@omegaink5635

5 жыл бұрын

@@resistance-is-growing7632 I looked it up, & your not wrong, however I call it the middle East because it's literally in the middle of Africa & west Asia.

Wow, I'm reading an article (or rather a post) about Elamites, and this pops up. Awesome!

@EpimetheusHistory

5 жыл бұрын

:D That's Awesome!

@HistoryMarche

5 жыл бұрын

@@EpimetheusHistory It's great that you touched on their language. I find it quite fascinating.

@Toxicremixes

4 жыл бұрын

im an iranian lor i have many many informations about elamites and history of iran with strong evidences u can give me your mobile phone number to chat in whatsapp or your instagram id i love to share my info with foreigners

@hayellada-ball3836

3 жыл бұрын

@@EpimetheusHistory is Elam Persia?!

@manusharma3371

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toxicremixes will email do?

Elam and Assyria were among the few states that (temporarily) benefitted from the chaos of the Bronze Age collapse.

@ar_ikramaliaskar7197

3 жыл бұрын

Can you help me

@iaw7406

3 жыл бұрын

Its a shame elam no longer exists.

@TRAINAlytics

3 жыл бұрын

@@iaw7406 The destruction of Elam as an independent state is closer to our time than to the founding of their state.

@thenoblepoptart

2 жыл бұрын

No, they suffered tremendously like any other civilization during this time. Just because they weren’t completely annihilated like the hittites and so had a comparative “advantage” didn’t mean that it wasn’t a time of huge decline for Ashur, Susa, and Anshan.

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

Жыл бұрын

@@thenoblepoptart Ashwar deserves death, King Nebuchadnezzar and Medibin killed all the Assyrians

Iranian history is criminally underrated

@zigzag5198

4 жыл бұрын

Son of Mountain Don’t insult yourself

@micahistory

4 жыл бұрын

@@zigzag5198 yeah

@hannibalbarca2928

3 жыл бұрын

The people of Elamites, Jiroft and Medes are not ancestors of modern Iranian people.they did not come with the indo-europeans migration 2900 years ago.

@josem.deteresa2282

3 жыл бұрын

Fortunately the proto-elamite script has just been decyphered. I hope a large corpus of texts is found, and THAT will really change things!

@abloodorange5233

3 жыл бұрын

@@hannibalbarca2928 obviously with any population conquering and taken over s region they marry the women, so Iranian people are somewhat connected perhaps matrilineal.

You really are spoiling us with these frequent uploads.

The Elamite inheritance model of your oldest sister's eldest son being your heir, was practised until less than hundred years ago in Southern India, especially kerala. This system is known as "Marumakkathayam" (Marumakan means Nephew/Son-in-law as first cousin marriages were always encouraged in those times and thus was used interchangeably) In tamil language, the word Elam means something that can be translated as an Ethnic Nation.

@senaeco

Жыл бұрын

It is also in vouge as "Aliya Santhana" in coastal Karnataka. Aliya = Nephew, Son-in-law, Santhana = progeny, generation. All over South India, Maharastra, Gujrat the relation ship between maternal uncle and the nephew is very special, they have a important place in their lives and all the life rituals.

@BalPanicker

Жыл бұрын

@@senaeco Aliya is a word in Malayalam too which means brother in law. Santhana is of Sanskrit origin which means progeny I believe

@thenoobprincev2529

Жыл бұрын

The name Elam was an Akkadian Exonym. The Elamites called their own land "Hatamti".

@senaeco

Жыл бұрын

@@thenoobprincev2529 Absolutely, at the same time. There are cognates which are common to Dravidian languages and Semitic languages since ancient times.

@prateeksharma6706

Жыл бұрын

As a north indian hindi speaker i think Dravidian languages are just too underrated 😬

I live in Khuzestan ,the ancient homeland of Elamites🤗

@johnsmith-rk5mn

5 жыл бұрын

Greetings! My family is from there and I have dim memories of time spent in the region. That was 35 years ago and have not had an opportunity to go back since.

@alvarez985

5 жыл бұрын

This Elamite approves!

@cyrusthegreat1893

5 жыл бұрын

Are you from Ahwaz or Ābādān?

@coracias4523

4 жыл бұрын

@@cyrusthegreat1893 ahwaz

@coracias4523

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-rk5mn nice to meet you bro. I wish this province return to it's golden age

I’m from Kerala, A Dravidian state in India and historically the Kings of our land also had a maternal succession just like the Elamites. There is much history out there to still be discovered and discussed!

@Brahmdagh

5 жыл бұрын

How did that succession system work? When was it in practice?

@shark7n10

5 жыл бұрын

@@Brahmdagh You can check about the last rulers of Kerala, The Kingdom of Travancore and many previous Kingdoms like the Cheras.....The King's eldest sister's son would be the heir traditionally.

@vanisridhar5509

7 ай бұрын

@saewha Elamites are Dravidians ancestors. Creators of indus.

@user-si5ci4bh9y

25 күн бұрын

@@vanisridhar5509 No, the Elamites are not the ancestors of the Dravidians. They have no historical connection with the Dravidians, just that the language they spoke is similar to the Dravidians. Stop falsifying history. It is more likely that the Elamites were closer to the Iranian peoples.

@user-si5ci4bh9y

25 күн бұрын

The testimonies about the history of the Dravidians are half-baked. They often have a bad habit of trying to link the history of the Dravidians to ancient civilizations. The historical basis for the idea that the Aryans and the Dravidians are the same ethnic group is too weak.😅

Damn, the Elamites were neither the heart of Mesopotamia (Sumer/Akkad/Babylon), nor fierce conquerors (Assyria), nor one of the most enduring and recognisable cultures on Earth (Egypt), yet they are as important and interesting as any of these three

@EasternOrthodox101

7 ай бұрын

@@chheinrich8486 Clearly the dude doesn't understand that: a) Persia = Elam b) Elamites were conquering Mesopotamia just like everyone else

@chheinrich8486

7 ай бұрын

@@EasternOrthodox101 yeah right,

@shutruk-nahunte3309

5 ай бұрын

​@@EasternOrthodox101Persia has nothing to do with Elam Elam is khuzestans history

@EasternOrthodox101

5 ай бұрын

@@shutruk-nahunte3309 🤦Get education cl0wns...

@AverageHandEnjoyer-jp3xu

Ай бұрын

Sumer is far more interesting

The Elamites were always fascinating to me, especially since they're a language isolate. That always makes a people more mysterious. Great as always!

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

My take is that Neolithic West Asia was a complex linguistic landscape, with many language families (isolates or near isolates or related to each other in ways too obscure for us to discern) and that some of them expanded outwards: one was the proto-Vasconic, which was surely spoken in Neolithic Anatolia and spread to Europe, another was Elamo-Dravidian (it must be a thing), which expanded to India around the same time, maybe even a precursor of proto-Indoeuropean expanded northwards to the Russian steppe, etc. (more families are involved, certainly the three Caucasian ones, plus Sumerian, plus Semitic plus, proto-Pelsago-Tyrsenian, plus maybe even Nubian and who-knows-what). So that's why we find so many isolates in that region and not so much in Europe or India, where only some of those branches expanded to.

@zigzag5198

4 жыл бұрын

Luis Aldamiz Interesting hypothesis. If it appears to be accurate, Middle-East/West Asia as a whole would indeed really be the cradle of civilization

@LuisAldamiz

4 жыл бұрын

@@zigzag5198 - It is for sure the craddle of Neolithic for all Western Eurasia, India, North and East Africa. However East Asia, Papua and the Americas had their own independent Neolithic developments. The advent of genetics and especially archaeogenetics made us realize that whole populations migrated in all directions, that it wasn't for the greatest part just people learning from their more advanced neighbors as not so long ago was believed.

@vijayrajasekaram8113

4 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz Elam is a pure Tamil word and really supprised to here the same spelling and pronouncian. Tamil is South Indian, one of Dravidian language and the oldest clasical, living language in the world. Tamil researchers believe Mesopotamians, Sumerians should have connection to Tamils.

@LuisAldamiz

4 жыл бұрын

@@vijayrajasekaram8113 - Tamil is only one of many Dravidian languages, including critically Brahui, which is a fossil from the very first Indian (or South Asian) Neolithic and the Indus Valley Civilization. A single word is useless to show association or not, serious linguists use much longer standardized lists or other even more complicated and difficult methods to discern relationship between languages. But indeed Elamo-Dravidian has been argued for a very long time already and seems very plausible not just from the linguistic but also archaeological and genetic viewpoints. As for the Sumerians they were a different nation with a different language, my personal take is that Sumerian is rather related to NE Caucasian (Chechen and such) via Hurrian but I'm not certain at all, it just seems closer than to others on primary evaluation. Sumerian surely had influence on IVC Dravidian and vice versa but horizontally, via contact and well documented trade. I understand that the word "uru" (city) made it to Dravidian, much as the related word "ili" (and variants: "iri", "uri", "uli", probably from Palestine or the Aegean) made it to the West (Basque hiri, ancient Iberian ili, anicent Aquitanian eli, Tartessian uba, Latin urbs, etc.) This is a very clear case of wanderwort (migrant word, like could be modernly "telephone" or "Internet" or "video" or "nuclear missile"). So beware of too filmsy single-word connections!

Good stuff, much of this history is criminally under appreciated. I hadn't heard much of that before. Thanks so much for sharing. 👏🍻

I love it that you're doing videos on topics like this. There is so much scope to cover topics like this in ancient history that I am glad you are doing it!

Exactly how I love history: concise, to the point, and illustrated.

I'm from Iran and i didn't know much about Elam! The city of pillars it's known in Iran

What a brilliant video! Thanks for the hard work. I'm looking forward to more. Well done, please don't stop!

I believe Persian culture was heavily influenced by the elamites. The elamites probably mixed with the other Iranians and Persians as well and got assimilated fully.

@hassanbassim4007

5 жыл бұрын

John smith Persian culture got heavily influenced by the Mesopotamian one , Elamites were already eliminated and their civilization vanished by the Assyrians before Persian tribes cane to the region .

@lightshedd986

5 жыл бұрын

Elamits were among the most influencial Iranians who contributed to the establishment and management of the Persian empire . They basically chose an Iranian/ Persian Id.

@ghanvedsingh8946

4 жыл бұрын

Baluchis are the most probable inheritors of the Elamites and there is town ilam in eastern Nepal too

@scientificatheist9381

4 жыл бұрын

Dravidian

@CirosKhan

4 жыл бұрын

That's what humans do, you learn, adapt amd improve

Amazing style! Love it! Great job! Keep ancient history alive! It is so interesting! And you present it very well in such short time!

You're one of the best history channels on KZread. Keep up the great work!

Thank you Epimetheus! i had requested in one of the earlier videos that you do something on the elamites as there was nothing on them and they were largely ignored! great video!

I have been hoping you would do a video on the Elamites for a long time now, and I'm so happy you finally did! This culture is so hard to find real information on. Most of what's available is meant for scholars or just conspiracy theories. Great video and very informative!

Absolutly superb! A fascinating subject, and a fantastic vid, lovely animations, maps, and explanations on ancient writings...😍😍

The Great historian has returneth! The high-king emissary of the achaemenid squarespace! :)

@avtaras

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao yeah, why did he repeat the same advert again?

@stegotyranno4206

3 жыл бұрын

Ey Doruk, is great to see ya here.

@thedoruk6324

3 жыл бұрын

@@stegotyranno4206 Hello!

@stegotyranno4206

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedoruk6324 its super cool how we both have such similar interests

@thedoruk6324

3 жыл бұрын

@@stegotyranno4206 Agreed glad to know the great channels have good people

Thanks! Was waiting for this video so much ;)

This was utterly fantastic. I studied this area and this helped to fill in the gaps masterfully. Much appreciated!

Dude... As usual your videos are among the few reasons we have to access KZread. What impress me the most is the accuracy of your text. You show such a respect for biblical narratives that are absolutely uncommon nowadays. As a rabbi, I recommend your channel to whoever asks me about History and I do not know the answer. Keep up the excellent job and may God grant you unmeasurable wisdom for the next 120 years ! As soon as I can, I will donate you on Patreon ! To you, it is worth the donation !

Great job with this uploads dude, your art is pretty great.

@EpimetheusHistory

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc!

@marc9324

5 жыл бұрын

@@EpimetheusHistory No problem! Keep it up and you'll be gaining subs like Boone's business and we'll be here all the way.

Kudos on a nice summary, I especially like you used the old coastline - although probably the coastline changed during that long time as well.

susa(shush in farsi language) and elam or ilam are names of cities in the same places in iran now

@dreamland7078

3 жыл бұрын

اون استان ایلام اصلا در محدوده ی عیلامی ها نیست ۹۰ درصدش و توسط رصا شاه ایجاد شد و بار سیاسی داره برای جدا کردن لرها از هم

@saeedmohammadi3719

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamland7078 میدونم

@xerxes8191

3 жыл бұрын

Susa is Persian name

@dreamland7078

3 жыл бұрын

@@xerxes8191 actually shusha is what Elamites called the city so it's not persian but I know what you mean

@xerxes8191

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamland7078 please read the inscriptions of Darius the great

You are one of the greatest history video makers on KZread. Keep it up bro

great quality as always!

Hey man enjoying the video have to say I'm digging the real-life picture of the Zagros Mountains in the scene at 1:02 think it helps give perspective great work again brotha, thank you

Wow I had no idea elamite used to be the official language in the first persian empire. You cover the best topics dude!

I have always appreciated how this channel covers global history and topics that most historians ignore

Iranian history is very long and interesting. I love learning more about it

@Julius1997.

5 жыл бұрын

Elam is pre-Iranian ;-)

@micahistory

5 жыл бұрын

@@Julius1997. I am talking about the area that is now Iran

@bayan6325

4 жыл бұрын

Persian empire covered Ethiopia to india amazing indeed

@micahistory

4 жыл бұрын

@@bayan6325 yup

@adityanawani8134

4 жыл бұрын

Baya N India? When?😏😏😏

I like the map graphics showing the movement of the cultures. It brings the changing of the times to life.

Great breakdown of info. Easily understood. Thank you

Awesome. Most thorough work I've seen yet thanks

Thank you! You filled in some blind spots for me!

As a map nerd myself, I have to tell you that I love your maps @Epimetheus

U did well with your names , dates & places . Your time line is what gives this credibility & good work !

Thanks for the information and the work you do in your videos. I dig the cadences.

this was fascinating. I have always wanted to know more about this part of the world.

Excellent narration. Thank you very much

I really enjoy your videos :) the long breakdowns are fantastic!

Thank you for an informative and well done presentation on the Elamites.

Just wanted to let you know, this is my "go to" channel when an unusual question pops into my never ending curiosity. Thanks for your work.

How interesting, I had never once heard of the Elamites or anything of Middle Eastern history but I am loving it. It's so nice to have a Historytuber that doesn't just repeat the same European history. Keep up the good job sir.

@dynasty4683

3 жыл бұрын

Do not say Middle Eastern, say West Asian

Very interesting. Your topics are always great

Very well put together and extremely informative ty

YEEEESSS!!! At last :) very very nice video. Elamites were a black hole, participating in all past videos and now are shown as well. Indeed, the succession is different, but tricky, what if the nephew dies? But agree that being raised by both parents have an advantage in administration and character. Now I'm interested in their language too. Esdras book include them giving a panorama about the powers if the era. Very very nice video, thanks! :)

My family and ancestors thank you for this documentary. Elams are proud of our history!

@Bombo505

Жыл бұрын

A fellow Elam. 👋

Great documentary, thanks for making it.

@EpimetheusHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Wow! Thank you for putting this together!

Thank you for showing an interest in the history of our precious country IRAN 😍

@islamislam-zw3il

5 жыл бұрын

Iran *was * a great nation , homeland to many civilizations .. Until prophet -of -doom 's caliphate showed up ...😂😂😂😂😂😂

@shayanmobasheri5605

4 жыл бұрын

@@islamislam-zw3il that is not true . Iran is still a great nation and we have many sources of guidance including our national book the Shahname and also the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him). In Iran Islam is not against our national interest unless we Make it . Zoroastrianism was far more complicated than Islam and although that is my heritage as well but I think Iranians have made Islam great too

@charlesroberts3650

4 жыл бұрын

​@@islamislam-zw3il Although I am a Christian, Christianity has been around for much longer and people (i.e. Catholics, Protestants etc.) have perpetrated more evil upon the world under the guise of "Christendom" than any other religion. The yoke of colonialism, spearheaded by and in the name of "converting" indigenous peoples have turned many cultures and countries into absolute "shit-holes". Whenever and wherever these "conquistadors", "Puritans", "colonials" etc., were, they have left a legacy from that colonialism that is hard to overcome. The Latin-Americas for example and also the Europeans that are STILL occupying Canada and the "U.S.", they STILL have not gone back to wherever they came from. Talking about "Caliphates of doom" .......

@alibala4506

4 жыл бұрын

@ehsan soleimani First: Sefevids were Turks, second Iran was ruled by Turks almost 1000years and flourished too.

@alibala4506

4 жыл бұрын

@ehsan soleimani Dude! Wasn't the Samanid Empire predominantly a Turkic state?

Thanks for the interesting and clear view of the Elamites :-)

Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation!

Great video like always!!!

Is there anymore information about that trio of Elamite goddesses mentioned? I wouldn't be surprised if all that was left for us is only their imagery but even a scrap of written record about them would be fun to look over. And thank you for all the detail you put into this vid. I think Elam might be my new favorite bronze age kingdom.

Iw wish Iranian history was more known, it is so fascinating and there are so many new things to learn

@vimal-cliobconsulting

2 жыл бұрын

What do you call learn?

Pretty cool video my guy. I like how this channel focuses mainly on Near East bronze age empires and cultures. Though I would like some more videos on African empires and cultures from before the Scramble as well.

@lts3248

4 жыл бұрын

The issue with the african empires is that a lot of the history was oral, which got kinda fucked by the scramble, the atlantic slave trade, the arabic slave trade and this oral story transforming into myth over time

I sure appreciate the work you put into summarizing the peoples of the ancient eras. Our history books is school do not cover any of this. Thanks so much

Love your work. Maybe consider doing a series on the roman absorbance/wars with the hellenistic kingdoms?

@dansmith3343

4 жыл бұрын

@@RokoKaran wut

Thank you for your effort of showing true iranian history!

These videos are great, very interesting.

Excellent documentary!

Mom can I have some KZread? To watch video game playthroughs? Yeeesss (Actually watches Near East History vids like a boss)

@datmexboi2121

4 жыл бұрын

Pro gamer move

@babisandrikopulos5393

4 жыл бұрын

That's Rammeses II on your profile pic right? Just curious.

Elamites are so underrated. I always ignored them when I learned about the time period but they seem pretty interesting.

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

Жыл бұрын

They were very powerful in ancient times, but when the Aryan immigrant tribes appeared, they killed the indigenous people.

Every time i get a notification from your channel, it makes my day

@EpimetheusHistory

5 жыл бұрын

😍 I am glad it does :)

Love history. I will have to listen to this more than once because-respectfully, take a breath? I want to listen to all your videos I see listed. Hope periods mean something. What I captured on the first run was really great information. Thanks

I was just thinking that if you are passionate about the Fertile Crescent, you can't really overlook the states bordering the MVP, Mesopotamia, like Elam or the Hittite Empire. And if you love Mesopotamia, you will love these too, for sure. For the few fellow passionate about this kind of history I send greetings :) Thanks for the video, Epimetheus!

Another fantastic video!! Can you do a video on the Chola Empire of India and their wars with the kingdoms of Southeast Asia?

@asmrnaturecat984

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that would be nice, but some historians didnt include the fact that it was a retaliation against srivijaya empire which have several territory on southern india

Excellent work.

Very interesting and comprehensive. Thank you.

Can you please make a video on the history of the Nabataeans, who built Madain Saleh and Petra.

@walid3745

3 жыл бұрын

They say they are Arabs but they are not

@youngsavag666

3 жыл бұрын

@@walid3745 They are arabs

@walid3745

3 жыл бұрын

@@youngsavag666 they are not

@GLOmar-my6xc

3 жыл бұрын

@@walid3745 shut up

@NWOterminated

Жыл бұрын

@Muslim terrisost They are ancestors of arabs, but not arab. They spoke neo-aramaic. In other words, arabs are assimilated

can you do one on the baltic region please? (Curonians, livonians, lithuanians e.t.c.)

@yogatonga7529

4 жыл бұрын

PRUSSIANS

I really like the way you treat the subjects about antic kongdoms, thanks for this too rare work

Thanks again for all the videos! I'm definitely gonna look more into their religion and stuff

Until today there's a province and city of Ilam in Iran :) Although much further north-northwest from Susa (which is today's Shush)

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting bit, TY. I can find that Ilam province was part of Elam at some point but I cannot find any info on the founding of the city of Ilam, do you know?

@goghnos8826

5 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz search sush city in iran

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

@@goghnos8826 - I was asking for Ilam city as such, not Sush/Susa.

@eldariontelkontar

5 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz I could ask around but I guess it has risen in prominence during like a 10th century when Lurs (Lors) became an organised polity and were causing trouble to Iranian dynasties, prominently to Safavids. Lorestan was then separated into two provinces, Lorestan itself with the capital in Khorramabad and Pusht-e Kuh with the capital in Ilam. If you ever happen to travel there you should have a look at the vali's (governor's) palace, it's small but pretty. Sorry for not being very helpful

@eldariontelkontar

5 жыл бұрын

@@RokoKaran Yeah, I know it :) I just said that Ilam city gained prominence with Lurs. Also, they may have mixed Elam-Iranian blood,

THANK YOU! you are the only youtuber making videos on ancient civilizations

Fantastic video!

After watching and I'm impressed with your content, l just subscribed to your channel.

@EpimetheusHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) I am glad you liked it

In the Dravidian language Tamil, the homeland is known as Eelam. The presence of DNA of the people of the Zagros mountain area in the population of the people of India is well established. The proto Elamite script and the IVC script are both undeciphered. They may be connected

@asifanwar9636

Жыл бұрын

It is also my opinion.

@owaisahmad7841

Жыл бұрын

Too much speculation.

@dysprosiumdead5078

8 ай бұрын

The issue is the zagrossian dna is in rhe North India while the dravidian languages are in South india

@vanisridhar5509

7 ай бұрын

@@dysprosiumdead5078 No, dravidian tamil "vellalar" community has more J2 haplogroup in india. North Indians mixed with Greeks, Mongolians and Mughals so they have more R1a1 and they don't have j2.

@vanisridhar5509

7 ай бұрын

@@owaisahmad7841 It's possible, because we are the one who has more J2 in south asia.

My father's side comes from the village of dastgerd, the village holds the fire temple of Isfahan beside it; apparently dastgerd is from the elamite period.

Great video as always, thank you for your awesome work and talent Epimetheus. I just wanted to point out a mistake in 8:08 : in the war between Ashurbanipal and his brother, I believe Ashurbanipal was actually the younger brother, so the Elamites would've supported the elder of the two (Shamash-shum-ukin).

Thank you very much for your concise, yet very informative and unbiased documentaries about the ancient Iranians

@yourmajesty1361

4 жыл бұрын

Elamites were not 'ancient Iranians' the same way Sumerians were not ancient Iraqis.

Wonderful short history of Elam, I am happy to learn that the Elamite kingdom was matriarchal and the oldest princess son succeeded the king, the three main God in Elam were female and women was depicted like men in Elam art. The Assyrian king Asshurbanipal was very cruel for destroying Susa, digging up their old kings and dumped salt in Elam fields. I am also happy to learn that the Persian learned government administration from the Elamites.

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

Жыл бұрын

Because of this, the Assyrians killed these people

@aalampara7853

4 ай бұрын

The same system was followed in parts of South India and Jaffna region until recent times! Inheritance was given to sister’s son not own’s son! Even Kingdom of Travancore followed similar system until 1949

Epimetheus please do video about Qajar Dynasty.

Thanks! I never heard of the Elamites before watching this video.

There are just so many facets of history that are underrepresented like this.

@EpimetheusHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Very true

Awesome! Thanks for this great videos! I'm still waiting a video about the Golden Horde history).

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

5 жыл бұрын

Arghun Stockton sa

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

4 жыл бұрын

empire lord Elamites are unknown peoples like sumerians they have nothing to do with iranians

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

4 жыл бұрын

empire lord Hattians are proto Turks

@Nomadicenjoyerplus

4 жыл бұрын

empire lord Hattians used agglutinave language

@jhombyrkotaksorgankazakh

2 жыл бұрын

Golden Horde is Mongols state. not borat kazakh

Thanks, as always a great video and enlightening about the often forgotten Elamite Civilization. Great you pointed out the little-known degree to which the Elamites contributed to the Achaemenid Empire. In fact, Cyrus the Great always referred to himself foremost as "King of Anshan" in original texts and never "King of the Persians". There's even a theory that Cyrus was actually an ethnic Elamite and that after his death the Persian Darius invented the story of his relationship to Cyrus via the semi- mythical Achaemenes when he seized the throne in a coup, order to justify his otherwise weak claim. The only direct evidence that Cyrus was Persian came from Herodotus who lived 100 years later and relied on second hand sources. Also the name Cyrus (Koroush) does not have Indo-Iranian origin. Even if this theory isn't true at the least Cyrus was probably an Elamised Persian who saw himself as carrying on the Elam tradition. This sort of thing is why history is so interesting and how accepted wisdom isn't always true: something especially great about your channel!

@fomoviews2642

4 жыл бұрын

Koroush is a bastardized name which comes from Kuru tribe which lived in India way before Cyrus. Sanskrit and Avesta were cognates but after some of the tribes were banished from India several names and vocabulary changed after they met with different set of people in Iran. You can look for the Dasarajna or the battle of 10 kings which took place in ancient India for the fertile land of India. Bharatas tribe eventually won and the druhyus, dasas, Anu and Parsu were banished to arid land of Persia

@babakbe1514

4 жыл бұрын

@@fomoviews2642 Nice joke bro. Got any other ones?

@fomoviews2642

4 жыл бұрын

@@babakbe1514 I don't do assumptions and guesses my dear friend. I am an Indologist and I know quite a lot about the history of Iran as well. The history of Iran you read starts from Elamites and then there is a long gap in the timeline and the empire of Darius appears some thousand years later.

@karenbartlett1307

2 жыл бұрын

@@fomoviews2642 Were the Parsu Iranians? And they came from Indian?

@fomoviews2642

2 жыл бұрын

@@karenbartlett1307 All the names you read on Iranian kings and kingdoms are hellenized and not their actual names. The real name of Cyrus was koroush and his kingdom was Hakshamanish not Achaemenid. Real name of Darius and Xerxes was Darayavash and khshayarsha respectively. All these names are distinctly sanskrit and not the modern Iranian names. Parsua and pakthas mentioned in dasarajna wars are Persians and pashtuns of Afghanistan respectively. They were at one point vedic clans but were banished from ancient India after they left the vedic lifestyle. This is pretty evident if you see the rituals of modern day zorastrians and the worship of fire and sun.

Replaying Age of Empires 1, your videos are great for getting historic context.

Man you put out some good shit. As much as I love the military exploits I always wish we knew more about social conventions and beliefs. Keep doing what you're doing mate

Interesting that you mentioned the connection between Dravidian languages and Elamites. Until a few decades ago, people from Kerala in South India also followed the same matrilenial system of succession. Would like to know your opinion.

@surendarav8406

2 жыл бұрын

Elamites DNA is similar to Dravidians, shares lost of R1a1 gene. Author does not mention it deliberately. It is now well known

@srikanthxxxxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@surendarav8406 nanba, not everything is a conspiracy against tamils. R1a1 is spread all across India, central Asia and Europe. Please check.

@surendarav8406

2 жыл бұрын

@@srikanthxxxxx focus : where it is most intensive and longer back in time. It is in India. Now make your conclusion.

@srikanthxxxxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@surendarav8406 so you would like to pick and choose, so as to suit a specific narrative? That is not how science works. Inferences should be derived from facts. Besides, this whole annoying trend of who came first, who came second is ridiculous. We all came from Africa.

@surendarav8406

2 жыл бұрын

I don't care a damn of your opinion on my observations. What I posted is fairly well known among the informed circles. If you want to throw your mouth , keep throwing. I don't have time to engage in this wasteful hubris of yours. To hide your poor knowledge you are trying to attribute motives. Typical hypocrisy.. Longlive and Effff off. RIP. ( I will not engage you further )

South west of Iran,there is a province called Elam

My favourite ancient civilization, I have no idea why but their aloofness and mysteriousness is intriguing.

In the 2002 American movie "The Emperor's Club" based on a short story by Ethan Canin, an enthusiastic classics professor has an Elamite inscription on a plaque above the entrance of his room.This was originally the victory plaque of Naram Sin which the Elamite king Shutruk Nakhunte captured (the plaque and not the king) and wrote his own inscription on it in Elamite.