Imagine we finally decipher a Linear A tablet and it's just the Minoan version of one of those Roman graffiti walls where people carved stuff like "Marcus is gay" "I made bread" "whose dog keeps taking dumps on my porch!?"

@RockyRMR

Жыл бұрын

Classic graffiti

@christopher6547

Жыл бұрын

@@RockyRMR And *classical* graffiti. 😏

@redrhino_0453

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget so and so was here with a date

@fretnesbutke3233

Жыл бұрын

One archaeologist said that most reading material found in ancient Greek garbage dumps was just cheap porno.

@realutahraptor

Жыл бұрын

Based

The image of Epimetheus getting frustrated at the beach due to his little rock tower is really funny.

@EpimetheusHistory

2 жыл бұрын

haha...almost gave up...before it fell over from a wave properly

Imagine landing on those shores before anyone else and seeing a huge island with incredible resources and its all yours ! those first inhabitants must have thought it was heaven

@innosanto

8 ай бұрын

What are the incredible resources

@nickb-whistler4431

Ай бұрын

@@innosanto You'd have to go back a very long time to find Crete uninhabited.

@brettmuir5679

11 күн бұрын

Long time ago the Mediterranean basin was not a sea. People could walk from Anatolia to Greece and also to Crete. There were great salt lakes in this environment but not seas as we now know them. Early humans walked upon the sea floor that we know now. Underwater archaeology is a burgeoning new science. I hope I am alive when they discover the human settlements that are well below sea level

please make more "Extended Versions" they're absolutely amazing

@rueisblue

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine they take lots of work and probably make mess money tho

@Hundredyacrewoods

2 жыл бұрын

@@rueisblue less not mess

@johnsmith-ir1ne

2 жыл бұрын

@@rueisblue I doubt they take more time than doing a video about a brand new topic. Which requires not only research time, but also time to draw new art assets

@rueisblue

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-ir1ne that's a good point

@k.c1126

2 жыл бұрын

@@rueisblue I am sure there is a small but dedicated audience for this style. Certainly it has people like me checking back regularly, and may be something that could be used to build Patreon membership. I bet they are probably a lot of fun to make too.

An extended version? Of the Minoans? It really is Christmas!

@mpalfadel2008

2 жыл бұрын

Yay 😀

@johnsmith-ir1ne

2 жыл бұрын

@Learned Helplessness that's what she said

@Eugensdiet

2 жыл бұрын

It is still Xmas here and I just discovered Epimetheus' Chanel Watched three today. Merry Neutonmas to me. Really good stuff.

This is a brilliant idea. Reviewing your own video this way while replying to the most pertinent comments you got on the original and filling us in on the details is something I have never seen before but appreciate highly. Well done.

@timmalone5231

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. First day on this channel. Impressed. What is this guy's background?

@messire9837

Жыл бұрын

@@timmalone5231 A grim screen. And also official fact-checked archeo-alleged ends about them greeks, as well. But no mention about the fact minoan statues hold their snakes in hand just the exact same way Con Tiki Viracocha does in Southern America, though. Hence the egyptian bark annointed by Sirius just under his feet. And also those 8 Egyptian Gods of Necherou, yes. So no mention about the island's position in relation to Sirius either. And also, there's an apricot hill juice kind of ozzing guy spazierening around trying to convince all their jerusal'em (all o'them) based DNA test proves Minoans were just there, ordained by "tumultgod" to progress old testament narratives. Because as indo-europeans they MUST also have been peaced out by david himself. (yeah, the dancing merchant guild hierophant, yes. Not the painter, you know what I'm in.) Then again, his comment is "apparently" invisible. Maybe because we're all equal gohihims or something over on the toob, who knows? "Totally agree. First day on this channel. Impressed." >>> Oh, boy... 🤣🤣🤣

@messire9837

Жыл бұрын

@@timmalone5231 Follows jake broe.. Ha, ha, ha! Hee, hee, hee. Like I didn't notice that shiny whacked out of his own mined bufffoon, really... So you got summoned here to chill quill, right? Now tell me who sent you? Or else, I'll go mention you, but to la Fère himself, this time. The one who never speaks before combat, you know?

@historysmysteriesunveiled8043

Жыл бұрын

@@messire9837 take a nap

@ericlimon9718

Жыл бұрын

@@historysmysteriesunveiled8043 😂 bro having a whole psychotic breakdown/ psychosis induced maniac episode on a KZread comment section weirdest part on a simple reply instead of a controversial comment I guess whatever made him spazz out on this poor guy 😂

Dude these illustrations must take forever, great work

I love this time period. So much is unknown that it almost feels like I'm listening to a campfire story.

@johnsmith-ir1ne

2 жыл бұрын

The irony is that archaic and classical era Greeks did exactly that: their Homeric epics were passed down orally for many centuries, and were stories about the bronze age

@MR-nl8xr

2 жыл бұрын

yea. wish a people like these would of had some kind of invincible & invisible forcefield to have kept them safe through the millenia that way i could have of had a chance to move there one day and become one with them; alas, the ones that rise to high for their own good, tend to fall for their own good. ce'st la vie.

@amaloncorlis

Жыл бұрын

@@MR-nl8xr western people truly are weird. You want to go see a rock hut with a smelly unwashed barbarian? LoL you can see that. You dont need a time machine. Truth is. What you think you would see. Is not what you would see. Or smell. Or endure. They would literally sell their kids to live in the world you live in. The generations that preceded us and toiled and bled for incremental progress did that to escape that world. Appreciate the ancient. Yes. But understand also the wonder of the age you live in. In my lifetime i saw analog go to digital. Sailed in wooden boats. Beat each other with sticks. Took craps in the woods and died at 28 from a scratch. Everyone did that. Who before us saw what we saw. Who after us will see such a moment of change again. We set the future for the next millenium. Some day some dude will wish he could see our time. Live in this crazy age. Hahaha minoans? Dude. Dime a dozen compared to the age your in broski

Regarding the Minoan language: The oldest language was a pictographic writing system developed around 2000 BCE known as the Cretan hieroglyphs. Another group of signs was identified as Linear A, developed around 1700 BCE. While Cretan hieroglyphs have a pictorial appearance, Linear A has a linear appearance. It has been speculated that both Cretan hieroglyphs and Linear A represent the same language. Minoan civilization had trade contacts with the advanced Middle Eastern civilizations, with Egypt being the most influential. It is likely that the earliest Minoan writing (Cretan hieroglyphs) was modelled after the Middle Kingdom Egyptian hieroglyphs. Although superficially indeed similar to Egyptian symbols, Cretan Hieroglyphs are clearly distinct in both form and phonetic value. Yet the biggest difference lies in the underlying system itself. Egyptian Hieroglyphs are part of a complex writing system, where most signs have more than one possible reading, dependent on context (similarly to the Japanese Kanji characters). Signs could have both a phonetic (single consonant or syllable) value or an ideogrammatic (word) reading, but could even be utilized as phonetic complements or logograms (a written character that represents a word or phrase, like in Chinese), “reinforcing” the reading of words they were attached to. As many of these duplicities could only be interpreted by a native speaker of Old Egyptian, this system was very difficult to utilize for speakers of foreign languages. Also, the Egyptian system had over 800 different signs, which is an extremely large inventory of symbols compared to Cretan Hieroglyphs (roughly 85 or so different signs are known). Linear A signs identified ranges from 77 to 85 according to different scholars, suggesting that this was a syllabic writing system. Minoan scribes might have took the concept of writing from Egypt, creating their own signs and simplifying the system so that it became almost fully phonetic. Such a low number of individual characters is uncharacteristic of the complex writing systems of the ancient Near East, but it is fully compatible with a simple syllabary (reminiscent of the modern Japanese Hiragana or Katakana writing). Thus, some assume that Cretan Hieroglyphs, similarly to all later Aegean writing systems, were already syllabic in nature. Other scholars see Semitic influences / a relationship to Mesopotamian writings in the Minoan language, but these depend solely on Semitic loanwords, such as “sesame”, a word that appears in both Linear A and B (and also in ENGLISH). One thing is clear: After the rebuilding of the palatial complexes on Crete (with the advent of the so-called “New Palace Period”) the Hieroglyphic script fell out of regular use. A new script has taken its place, called Linear A. The relationship of Linear A and Hieroglyphics is probably comparable to the relation between Egyptian Hieroglyphic and Hieratic/Demotic script. Current available evidence suggests that the underlying system remained essentially the same; it is the shape of signs that suffered profound change due to graphical simplification. Linear A was used much more extensively than Hieroglyphs. Hundreds of clay tablets, inscribed vessels, statues, altarstones and even jewelery testifies its daily use. The triumph of Linear A is also striking in a geographical sense: Wherever Cretan traders went, Linear A followed. Perhaps due to the simplicity of the syllabary, it quickly spread to other regions surrounding Crete. While regularly used on many Aegean islands, sporadic finds suggest that it also reached the Greek mainland as well as the island of Cyprus and the Syrian coast.

@zenolachance1181

2 жыл бұрын

This was a very in-depth and interesting post. I knew nothing of minoan languages and this was quite informative thank you for posting this

@haroldmorris5901

Жыл бұрын

Great response, except for the age of the Minoan hieroglyphs and the relationship between "Medu Neter" (Hieroglyphics) and Hieratic/Demotic. Medu Neter and Hieratic writing systems were created by the Kemites. Demotic was derived from NORTHERN FORMS of Hieratic, used BY SET KINGS & INVADERS, in the NILE DELTA. The stage of the Egyptian language when this script was used followed "Late Egyptian" and occurred DURING THE PERIOD OF ASSYRIAN, PERSIAN, GREEK, AND ROMAN INVASIONS, 652 BCE- 478 CE. It PRECEDED COPTIC, which developed during the 2nd century CE. Demotic is similar to "Semitic scripts" LIKE EARLY ARABIC AND HEBREW. There were about 1,000 graphemes in the Old Kingdom period, reduced to around 750 to 850 in the classical language of the Middle Kingdom, but inflated to the order of some 5,000 signs in the Ptolemaic period (yet the meaning of many of the original graphemes were lost). Antonio Loprieno, Ancient Egyptian: A Linguistic Introduction (Cambridge: Cambridge UP, 1995), p. 12.

@iam-jo6xp

Жыл бұрын

and that will be SUMERIAN, high speed, do not speak what you dont know about lol plz

@haroldmorris5901

Жыл бұрын

@@iam-jo6xp What I know compared to what there is to know is comparable to one grain of sand on a beach. However, your disjointed comment didn't 'factually dispute' anything I wrote, and we both know the reason why. My messages are somewhat inexpertly crafted for those who strive to vibrate higher rather than for those who don't know that they vibrate. Your Perception has been Expanded to include these facts, whether you recognize it now or ever.

@haeuptlingaberja4927

Жыл бұрын

@@haroldmorris5901 Humility is indeed the seed of all wisdom. Such a rare quality these days...

Love these extended cuts! Itʻs always fascinating for you to talk about the details of these subjects

I’m so glad you released this. I watched the original and really wished it was longer but was glad to have watched it nonetheless - and here we are. Nice work!

Ya, Linear A is definitely not deciphered in 2021! It will truly be glorious when Linear A is finally deciphered - I really hope it happens in my lifetime. For sure there is a ‘Rosetta Stone’ somewhere waiting to be discovered. It will be such an exciting day when it’s found - I find the Minoan civilisation to be absolutely captivating 💕

@Leptospirosi

2 жыл бұрын

This might not entirely true: there is an Hungarian linguist and computer scientist living in the USA that proposes certain ideas of minoans speaking an Ugro-Finnic dialect which would infer a certain degree of heritage from the early phehistoric human cities in modern carpathian region. Nothing definitive but he managed to convincingly translate a Linear A text on a ring and some other samples. The connection is still waiting for a peer review and recognition from the scientific world but its a promising approach of linguistics breakdown through brute computing power. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aol-scOLdK6blJc.html

@hamstsorkxxor

2 жыл бұрын

@Your friendly imperialist neighbor What are you inferring? I get that you are probably referencing something, but I do not know the context.

@Drag0nfoxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leptospirosi Hungarians are not natively from the Carpathians though, they only arrived in the middle ages. Linear A has been linked to everything from Basque to Vietnamese, so I'll wait for the peer reviews to come in before I believe it. It would certainly be interesting though!

@curiodyssey3867

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamstsorkxxor hes making fun of African Americans who believed they were Egyptian kings who use the motto 'we wuz kangz' inferring they were once kings. It has become sort of a meme because of how out there the theory is

@johnsmith-ir1ne

2 жыл бұрын

@@curiodyssey3867 yep, these Afrocentrist revisionism are practicing cultural appropriation r/Egypt is understandably not happy about this appropriation

The Minoans have always fascinated me. Love all your videos!

Thanks for researching this and presenting it in a palatable fashion. I always find your videos fascinating and insightful.

Absolutely sick, I loved the last video like this and wholeheartedly support more of them. Thank you very much!

Thanks for this extended version. Great work! You are a fantastic narrator and your drawings are excellent.

Found you yesterday, listened to the extended version of the Bronze Age collapse video on the way back from working an out of town wedding. Love this stuff, and I think the long format is worth sticking with. Thanks for the hard work

thank you for creating these extended versions!!

Thanks for another extended version! Congrats on how much your channel has grown!

0:32 "fabulous" as the fab Minoan slowly moves in to frame. Awesome. 😁

Man can you imagine a movie based on the high era of the minoan civilization.

@andyhayes7828

6 ай бұрын

YES !!! That would be great !

@37Dionysos

4 күн бұрын

Agreed, but mainstream culture isn't allowed to know about them. Fake education starts with the Mycenaean war state---you know, "normal."

You are my favorite history youtuber. Nobody else does bronze age history like you. I really apprrciate these extended versions of your videos and hope you make more like this in the future. I'm suprised your Minoan video doesnt have more views honestly, it was so interesting! super under rated.

This is so good, bro. I love your little breaks of character, too. Love your work

Extended versions are amazing! Love your videos! ♥️

Thank you so much for this extended version! It's fantastic!

Love how much effort you put into only shorts bits of your work. Respect!

When I look at the palace of Knossos with the central area, I can’t help but see the labyrinth. I would get lost in a palace with 1000 rooms. And the center courtyard, if used for bull jumping, could easily be the center of the labyrinth. I could see that being turned into some crazy labyrinth with a monstrous bull creature at its center, especially if there was a practice or forcing these captives from the mainland to actually do some bull jumping which is why so many died.

I really liked how your videos at the beach kind of reflected the nature of the periods described, and I like the tower of rocks falling over at the end of it. Impressive that you had done that yourself.

these videos are awesome! please continue to make more if possible and keep up the fantastic work

"Nobody expects the Sea People!!" Had me rolling.

Recently discovered you while looking for interesting topics to listen to while I work. Keep it up, man. I am loving these.

Yes, stoked for this

❤ Thank you so very much for continuing to make these videos. You contribute to my continuing love for history.

I LOVE your maps, they are so much more descriptive than most I've seen. Great content!

That was a real treat. Thank-you....this whole part of the world is fascinating, longer is fine with me no rush content is king.

Your dialogue with yourself from the past adds more than the sum of each part. Great job.

I am so excited to find your channel. Your videos are great! Love your choices, artwork, commentary and loads of info. Subbed!

Thanks for the fun artwork!

Thanks for these Extended Cuts!

Merry Christmas, thanks for the great channel!

Glad you're doing better health wise, as always great stuff!

Thank you! Longer versions are very welcome. Please keep making them.

I always appreciate the longer videos. Also both (this, Bronze Age collapse) videos expanding on the topics where really cool.

Recently discovered your channel... been binge watching ever since! You do great work my dude!

Dude thank you for making these videos. I'll keep watching

Very well researched. It’s fun watching as you seem to enjoy what you’re doing and not dry formal facts & data.

I truly enjoyed these videos. So informative. Thank you

Thank you for the incredible videos you create and the knowledge you share. Your art is always amazing to see and always feels very real to what historical dress and arms would have been.

Merry Christmas! Thanks for the extended Christmas present!

Your voice is so calming. Keep making long videos like this. I enjoy listening to your narration while I work.

OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION!!!! We all continue to progress, with the more we learn and add to our knowledge store. KUDOS, BROTHER!!!!

Bro....your vids and presentations are great content. I always enjoy them the most.

Fantastic video - loving the longer form content :)

This is so epic, thank you for making history fun man!

My first experience w any of your videos. Looking forward to watching all of them. You do a great job. Thanks

really cool man, very excited for the content in 2022

Wow!! GREAT video! I really enjoyed every minute. Thank you for all your research!

I'm sorry to hear that you were ill, and glad to hear that you are feeling better .... I would also like to say that I have been listening to or watching at least one of your videos a day since the summer, and have particularly enjoyed your Mesopotamian series. You present your topics thoughtfully without becoming stodgy, and that keeps the history interesting. I hope you will be able to do extended cuts for some of your 2022 videos. I find that I enjoy both videos - the original for its clear presentation of the key points of the topic, and the extended version for the additional insight into your thought processes along with added details from your sources. All the best in 2022!

Wonderfull! Happy to hear you feel better.

Thanks! Really appreciate how well researched and easily digestible your work is. Any chance you'd do an extended version of your Elamite video? I find their early culture and art fascinating.

Thank you for this video 😊

I love this channel. Great work, sir.

This vlog style is actually quite nice. You've been giving us quality historical content for a long time, so it's nice to see the person behind the mic

❤❤❤ stunning channel, thank you for all the insights shared

Thank you and Happy Holidays!

Love you extended version videos - but let's be real, I´d love them anyway because your Bronze Age stuff is gold.

I am so glad that you were able to stay home more and heal while you were ill. Your history videos are interesting and I love learning about ancient civilizations! There are not enough easily accessible documentaries about these civilizations that aren't quite old and/or overtly racist.

Very good show I enjoyed it thoroughly thank you keep up the good work

Ur channel helped me understand quite a bit i didnt get b4 cuz ur map work. Great job man

Happy new year Epimetheus! All the best from Bulgaria!

I think it's also very important to note that the pose of the female statues (holding two identical objects or often, creatures, apart) is a motif that spread throughout the eastern Mediterranean for the next two millenniums.

Merry Christmas. I am glad you got over being sick. I really enjoy your Channel. Thanks for the video.

@EpimetheusHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Merry Christmas too! :)

Your videos are awesome! Keep it up!

Thanks for another amazing video sir

An anticipated Christmas present! Thanks a lot!

@EpimetheusHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas! :)

Love your videos! Keep it up!

man.. this is a gift.. thank you

Proud to be a subscriber. Great job.

So enjoyed this video. Thank you

Love your work, you are a class act.

Great video mate

Thanks for existing Epimetheus and thank you for doing what you do.

@EpimetheusHistory

Жыл бұрын

:)

Wonderful drawings! Nice presentation! Thank you.

those videos are solid, thanks

Always great videos thanks

I hope you feel better and thank you for creating this extended version! It has been so enjoying and inspirational watching it! Loved it

An unexpected Christmas present

Love these extended versions

these extended cuts are awesome

Appreciate the content

This just made my otherwise crappy week so much better love it

I like how I commented on the original "Now the hour version" and now we have the hour(ish) version. Gotta love it.

Your Amazing Alliterations Attesting to the Activities of Ancient Argonauts Assaulting the Aegean are Awesome!

Please do more of these explain vids of your old vids love it !

These extended videos were a great idea.

I like these longer videos. I’ve known “the basics” for decades, but most videos only give those. I want to learn more.

Hey bud! Great video.

"Sortie of saucy sailing scalliwags" - Hehehe... Your descriptions of the sea peoples are epic!!!!

I love Epimetheus' Channel. I wish we could get these History Documentaries on TV more often, and in this detail.