Also, remember that the 2022-2023 ProMaster chassis now has a 9 speed transmission and electric power steering, which can make steep grades noticeably easier, and fuel economy even better. The 2023 version has the more handsome Ducato-like front end with MUCH better headlights.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

The report our friends gave us about the 9 speed is that it's always hunting for gears and still screams going up a grade.

@lodovicobernardi

6 ай бұрын

I have the 9 speed auto, I think is quite a great gear that can use the power very effectively (also supposed to add 10% more torque than manual transmission version in same engine configuration). Only minor thing, if you want to use in manual mode, it never really go manual, there is always some auto thing happening here and there unfortunately. @@Weretherussos

@phthisics

25 күн бұрын

You can add great LED headlights to pre-2022 Promasters with a kit from Open Glass. No gluing or drilling. Even I could install it.

I had a Promaster self built van for a while (sold for family reasons) It was a good solid vehicle. I got close to 20 mpg in it, had an E-W bed with a big garage below for bikes, etc. I'd probably go with it again, as going off road isn't my thing. It did well in the snow and the windy mountain roads here in CO. Good tires and snow driving experience help.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@bc2198

6 ай бұрын

I average 19 mpg in my promaster. That driving from California to Florida.

VERY well done video - quite thorough. We converted our 2018 Ford Transit 250 Medium Roof 148" WB almost three years ago. It has the non-Ecoboost engine and we are fine without it. I am easy on the gas and we have done fine in the Rockies. We did not overbuild like many do and went with an aisle down the middle with storage in the bed platform boxes. We did not fill the walls with cabinets. We have gotten a lot of compliments about our style of build on our KZread van build series - by the way, it is 100% non-monetized - so I gain nothing if anyone looks at. : ) Be safe out there fellow Hoosiers!

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks you two and enjoy the Transit!

Promaster we love ours!!

Just got back from a 1 mo. 4,000 mile road trip with a Promaster Coachman Nova C. My wife and I liked the Coachman floorplans and chose the Promaster largely because it would fill most of our needs ( we're not van offroaders ) at a price point $40,000 less than a Transit based 4wd Beyond ! I don't understand all the criticisms of the Promaster acceleration levels . Our model uses the "21" chassis with the 6 spd tranny. Traveling through many grades including Rocky Mountain National Park I found the Promaster to have more than adequate power ( although, we used to travel with a V.W. Westfalia) and not all that much gear searching on any of the grades we experienced. The cruise control has worked fine for me , not varying very much from set speed. When climbing Tow/Haul mode works well and when going down grade the reg. non tow haul mode seems to have some type of transmission braking that helps. Mileage tends to be averaging about 16 m.p.g. at between 65 and 70 m.p.h., although, for a 400 mile largely flat stretch coming back into Michigan at about 65m.p.h. we averaged 17.6 m.p.g. . I think on flat ground at 55 m.p.h. this van might avr. 18 to 20 m.p,g. So far, after 8,500 miles we are pleased with the Promaster's performance .

Very thoughtful review. We have lived in our Promaster for two years and have driven from Canada to Guatemala over 50,000 miles. Your points are well taken but because we are retired, economy counts more than speed uphill. Simplicity over turbo complexity matters more to us. The Promaster uses the Jeep engine and Dodge minivan transmission which are both sold all over the world and body parts are Fiat Ducato and Peugeot Jumper compatible which matters to us. Given most Americans are afraid of Mexico I appreciate it is a limited audience. Given that four wheel drive and all wheel drive is fashionable Promaster looks at a disadvantage but you didn’t mention the ESC button which acts as an electronic locking differential and I’d very useful in dirt. I don’t drive snow but my friends tell me the Promaster does well in that not that I care. For off roads use we have a skid plate to protect alternators engine and transmission and from Van Compass we have a 12,000 pound Warn winch which we have used successfully. Like you say you pays your money and makes your choice but our custom built Promaster is ours for the long haul. We re going to Mexico in October and this time the plan is to keep going south as long as it’s fun. See you on the road.

We love our Promaster. After 33000 miles we have saved an estimated 1500 gallons of fuel which equates to some $6000 in cost. Over the life of the vehicle this could easily amount to Over $20,000. This is based on our 17+ mpg vs 13mpg of Transit. Also, the savings for not needing to bump out the sides to accommodate an average height sleeper is huge.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

At an avg of 17 mpg at 33,000 miles, you've used 1,941 gallons of gas. At 13 mpg it's 2,538 gallons - a difference of about 600 gallons so $1,800 (based on your $4/gallon calculation).

@Farawaylander

8 ай бұрын

😅

@charlescartwright4902

5 ай бұрын

Based on $4 the Delta would be about $2,400 not the stated $1,800. @@Weretherussos

@NoteFromSELF

Ай бұрын

NoteToSELF: Don't always trust someone else's math.

So objective, clear and straight to the point. Thank you!

We have also had both. As for living in, I liked the Ram the best, but as for driving, we have the all wheel drive and we love, it’s the best driving.

At this point, I would be happy with either. My wife says I am driving her crazy pointing out the campervans when we go to Central Oregon. 😁

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

lol

I like the Ram. I wouldn't have a need to go off road, sure itd be nice but not reality. Also the 3.5 engine has its issues, as does anything. Great review, thanks.

It is a great video thanks for the great information and well delivered. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Joe and Kait, you do such a wonderful job with the production of your videos, especially with ones like this. Note to RV dealers: Take production tips from “We Are The Russos! “

I definitely plan on going with the Transit when I eventually get my van, for the highly capable Ecoboost engine and AWD. I also prefer the looks of the Ford, especially with the upgraded LED lighting. It's no contest in my opinion, but it all depends on your personal preferences and priorities.

Great video - really like the comparisons and pointing out of the strengths and limitations.

@Weretherussos

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Joe, was not going to watch this video because we did select the Promaster 3500. We love it. I have discovered the tow haul mode which does help when climbing. When we ordered our van there was not a Transit to be found and all-wheel drive was somewhat important to us. Definitely wanted the Transit. We do a great deal of state park camping because we are Florida and east coast based. When we go out west, we will miss the all-wheel drive and the ground clearance. We will make do, until we decide to make a switch. As you mentioned, one can still get somewhat remote on fireroads, etc. I think we would definitely consider a custom build out. We are relative newbies to Rv'ing but over the last19 months we have used this awesome machine and have loved every moment of it. I think our best decision was to not do a travel trailer and or a Class A. Small is better, simpler and a lot less stressful. I am glad I watched the video and am not sure I ever said how well done I think your channel is. Thanks.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Mike - really appreciate that and so happy y'all are enjoying your ProMaster.

I have the 2021 Rocket (Ford) 148 with AWD and I love it. It’s just fun to drive. Never have to worry about mountain uphill grades. Just washed the bugs off from a trip to Mt Rushmore and back to CA, it’s a beast but so reliable can’t wait for our next adventure.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

I'll take one of each! :) Great video, definitely a good comparison between the two! I think I would like the AWD on the Ford side as well if we were to get one some day. Especially on those slick gravel mountain roads here in Virginia (aka our driveway)! - Shane

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Yeah you'd definitely want/need AWD in those situations!

Thanks for the comparison video opinion! We just got back from a 10 day trip up the oregon coast, Washington coast around Long beach area and the Olympic National forest. We love how our Storyteller Mode LT drives. Much power, quick acceleration and with upgraded suspension very stable on winding roads and windy days,although going through the gorge around Hood RIver, i slowed down some in the very High cross winds. We like the AWD and KO2 tires especially when we are on dirt or gravel roads. The van handled one rainy all day drive with no problem. Very easy to use the Story Teller build features and think having the Volta electrical system makes for solid power to run microwave and air conditioning when shore power is not available

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

That's awesome and welcome to the STO family!

Great comparison,you did an excellent job of comparing them. We just moved to the Transit and we like much more for the reasons you discussed

@Weretherussos

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Very helpful comparison. Thank you!

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Really good comparison. Everything I needed to know.

@Weretherussos

9 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Thnx so much LV your van review...🎉😊

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Most welcome 😊

Nice review! My daughter works for Ford in the Transit Van development area. I would get a family discount. Then I would have to get Sportsmobile to put a pop top on it for $10K for the extra height. My husband is 6’8” tall.

Thank you guys for sharing this awesome content

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

I have an LT. Getting 13.4 over 20K miles. Regarding Promaster, I recall Kevin (30 days...) getting stuck on level wet grass in his Travato.A reason I chose Ford over ST Sprinter was the 3000 dealers plus 400 in Canada. I lost an oil fill cap in Goose Bay, Labrador. Ford dealer there had one for me.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Great to hear and welcome fellow STOer!

I just started looking at these two, since Wayfarer does one day conversions on these two only and they look pretty sweet. If I decide to get one, I think I’ll go with the Ford, since the whole point of camping is to get away from the beaten trail, and the all wheel drive would be a game changer in these areas. Thanks for your review. Of course, with the two different sizes, it’s hard to compare when it comes to sizing. I had a VW camper back in the 70’s, and I’m looking to recreate that experience with the addition of all the great battery tech today.

I have a 2wd Ford Transit and just carry traction mats if I get in trouble. It is a non-eco boost high roof with a heavy RV load and gets about 15MPG average.

Just bought the Ford Transit. Love it.

RAM Promaster for me. It’s funny, I thought I wanted a Ford when I was shopping. I was driving a Ford F150 with eco boost engine. I loved it. So when shopping I wanted a Ford base for my camper van. It was late 2021 and here in Canada availability for quality used vehicles was limited. I got an alert for a 2017 Pleasureway Lexor TS offered by an RV rental company. I fell in love. I’ve been travelling in it for two years. It’s amazing for my style of travel. Yes, there are many upgrades I’d like to do, but overall I’m very pleased with the RAM. One of my favourite features is the headliner shelf that many RAMs come with. The width is also nice, it never feels cramped. Also, my son has my regular car and I’ve been using the van as my daily drive for about 3 months. It has helped to transport a motorcycle, tires, and of course groceries. It handles so well even in a big city, I can sometimes even do street parking, but that is rare. I still like the eco boost engine. Great video.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing that and glad you enjoyed the video!

@alexeishatz

7 ай бұрын

Do you have the 159” wheelbase?

I have a 2017 Winnebago Paseo which is based on Transit HD 350 with Ecoboost. Over 42,000 mile, its life time mpg is surprisingly good at 15.3.

I work for a car service company and I am a chauffeur. I have commented before on other channels about the Ford Transit and Sprinter. We have both. In the Transit the space between the driver's seat and dog house or dashboard is very tight. Difficult to get to the back. And uncomfortable for my left foot. In the Sprinter we have an electric school bus door with steps inside instead of the sliding door. Easier to get to the back and more space. Seems flatter on the driver's left side floor and more room. I have spent long hours over many years and miles driving these vans.

Thanks for a very good and informative video!

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I’ve owned both as well. I think your video is spot on. IF someone is basic van life. I lean towards the pro master. Build out is easier and gas mileage is better. Sold my promaster to upgrade to a 4x4 transit purely for the 4x4 option and got a great deal on it.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Great Video

@Weretherussos

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Reasons for me buying the Promaster vs. others: interior height and width ( its just bigger if you pick an actual apples to apples comparison van) i can sleep side to side with my promaster and still have a full garage under to fit 3 bikes plus alot more. The rear shock placement on the transits and sprinters always worry me for any off camber offroad terrain. it will just take one rock smack and your shocks done, where as on the promaster you have a solid steel bar running across for your leaf springs. Honestly the AWD option is not what you think and alot of the time in situations you would think the AWD would be useful, it can actually work against you because their differentials dont lock properly and will cause you to get stuck from being too overconfident in your AWD rig. Watch Matt's offroad recovery. Its alot of 4wd and AWD mercedes and transits. still have yet to see him get a promaster. Ive literatlly drove my 2wd chevy hhr up the side of a mountain in Crested Butte, CO on a 4x4 only trail and it made it super easily. Your clearance is what its all about. Boost up your van a few inches and get 2wd and a diff locker and you'll be able to go where the AWD transits attempt. Yes the engine is a little under powered but, my cross country mileage AVERAGE on my promaster is 18.2mpg. if im on flats or hilly areas its usually 21 to 24 mpg. so i will gladly trade that AMAZING gas mileage for this rig over a ford engine you prob cant count on. And i even came from a whole FORD owning family, just seeing how ford lied to their customers and keep having turbo issues and tranny issues with no fix. a few of our family members that still have their new fords are starting to understand why we were all leaving that company and not looking back.

@mystuff1405

6 ай бұрын

Thanks. I needed that info and it's not the first time Ford failed.

@joshm3342

6 ай бұрын

My 1998 Econoline is my second Ford van, and also my LAST Ford. Reliable truck, but just so many stupid errors, omissions, etc. from such a large corporation is simply inexcusable. There are other options!

@DiogenesNephew

4 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the info, man.

Thank you, very nice. Going Ram, do not plan to off road. I am tall, so the Thor Dazzle/Twist 2LB/-Squence 20L has very long beds, so I need to go this way.

Based on my 7 years with a Ford Transit Connect, I would have liked to get the Ford Transit and build it out. But 18 months ago, both the Ford and Ram dealers said 8 month wait, (and that was optimistic), so, I bought a Winnebago Solis Pocket because it was configured to my liking. The Ram doesn't seem as solid as my Connect, but I have no other Ford experience. And yes, it's underpowered. But I do like the 17MPG and the ease of a top-side oil change.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Great to know, thank you for sharing

I just drove my 23’ 148 transit trail off the lot a few hrs ago.. the guy that ordered it backed out. I got there just in time. thx for reinforcing my decision to pull the trigger. Now how to build it out🤔 I need those rear seats you have first!

I much prefer the new Promaster, with that huge interior height (7' 2") which is a game changer for a tall 6'2" person, plus much wider body and easier build configuration inside and also for the much longer wheelbase that offers better stability, and the better fuel economy. It has plenty of power for my purposes. Wish it had AWD option for the takeoff on steep slippery hills but I'm not ever going off road, so not a huge deal.

I've driven all three (these 2 + Sprinter) for work. If I were to build a camper van, I would choose a Transit or Promaster. Sprinter is just overall too expensive. Transit is a perfect no-build/simple build/budget option, but I'd go with a Promaster for a serious buildout.

In the process of choosing between these two. Great video my gut says go with the Ford. A mechanic said stay away from the Promaster. But who knows probably both are fine

😂 Funny and informative!

In 2020, during Covid Lockdown, we looked at Ford, Dodge, and Mercedes. For the money and options we went with the High Roof/Extended T250 EcoBoost. Took several months to build out, but we have really enjoyed it. Towed with it. Not a lot of off road. We like the 4 drive modes in the AWD mode.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

We never go "off road" so its Travato promaster all the way. Our 2023 59G with the 9 speed tranny does just fine on the hills (don't need a rocketship). We also got it on clearance for $115K too.

Very informative, thank you! I know I would prefer Ford, but economically I'll probably end up with Ram when the time comes.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Currently in Texas the Transit vans are hard to find. When you do find one in stock it is priced above list. My rural dealer can"t order one because of Ford's allocation system. Haven't started the search for a Promaster but it probably won't be as difficult to find in stock or to order.

I love my Ram.

First off, let me congratulate you & Kait for reaching 60.013M total views on YT…. Talk about “Beast mode” lol 👍🏼👍🏼 Although my Campervan days are decades behind me, I really do love the Ford Transit chassis (for all the reasons you listed)! If I were healthy enough again to RV, I’d def get the 2023 Coachman Beyond 23C transit rig (they also make a Coachman Nova, on a Promaster Chasis, but I don’t care for Rams at all) Cheers as always to you two 🥂🖖🏼

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Rob and hope you got the photo Kenny sent over.

@robertabrams8562

11 ай бұрын

@@Weretherussos no, I’m not sure Kenny & Sabrina have my new number 🤔

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

ahhhh. I'll send it to you

@robertabrams8562

11 ай бұрын

@@Weretherussos Cool! Or just give him my number…I don’t mind at all!

I don't have either vans but I have a ford suv and don't care for the drivers seat either...my DIL has a Durango and I'm telling u those seats are PERFECT and comfy.

Ford transit

If you route the exhaust through some pneumatic motors, you can mod a 4-wheel drive ProMaster.

I do have a solution to add 4WD to a Promaster and it involves Plasan. Take their electric vehicle architecture and put that motor in the rear and their system in the cockpit. It would be a 4wd by wire system. Plasan makes some crazy stuff for militaries and the commercial market.

@daybreaker444

5 ай бұрын

HOw much extra would that cost to put in?

AWD/4x4, preferably a dually but not a huge deal, full size/length and height and plenty of power. I want to Ram if I ever get an opportunity to build one of these, but I doubt it in this economy.

Would like to see more of an equal comparison, same options and size of van.

Nice and helpful video. Something to note is that not all dealerships can service vans.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Very true! We've found this to be the case with Ram but not Ford yet. As explained to us by a Ford representative, all Ford dealers as set up to work on commercial vehicles, which is what the Transit is considered.

The best chassis for a AWD van is the Iveco Daily 4x4. It's a pity that it's not sold in the USA.

I’ve owned 2 transits and one ram. The rear wheel drive transit is useless in the snow. The transit is more comfortable to drive but the ram has a much better turning radius. I have had both engines in the fords. The eco boost gets terrible mileage but the regular V6 gets about the same as the ram and still feels like it has way more power. I’d say they are about even other than the engine blew up in my ProMaster twice. None of my transits have had issues although I will say neither of them are very refined vehicles for the price. I pick up my new AWD transit tomorrow. I’d love to try a sprinter but finding a good diesel mechanic in my area is difficult.

Just a recommendation when doing comparisons, it would be nice to have a side by side chart. like when you are talking about the comparisons and spec of the 2 vans, it might be a little more editing, but as a viewer this is my recommendation

@Weretherussos

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion!

Joe, you make this type of video better than anyone. I'm sure the camera operator and editor are equally as great (but with a better smile) I vote Transit all day. You said something that shocked me... When we tried all three vans (2019) the MB Sprinter easily had the best seat, the Transit was in the middle and we thought the Ram seat was awful. Have they changed a lot since 2019 or maybe just different strokes for different folks? Thanks for another great video.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

As far as I can remember the Transit seat has always been terrible and the ProMaster seat hasn't changed at all. That said, there are different trim levels and the seats fit us all differently so that's why you have to go with what works best for you. Thanks for the compliments!

@ccartee1

11 ай бұрын

When you swapped out the seats in your Mode LT, did you lose any airbags or other safety features? Do any airbags deploy from the seat?

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Yes, the Transit has airbags in the seats so we lost those which I am fine with considering how much more comfortable I am when driving....which to me is more "safe" because I'm not in pain when driving.

Thanks for the useful info. Nicely presented. While I appreciate the extra power from the turbo, the turbo itself seems like an extra thing that can fail. Where there differences in reliability?

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

No differences that I’m aware of. The turbo version of the Ford engine has been in use for over 10 years and has been well proven as has the engine in the Ram

Pity the major rv builders don't have a short Transit with bath with larger lithium options. On Tour would be nice if it had Volta. 200 is just not enough if you don't accept a generator.

Very timely video. Thank you. We recently bought a Super C (Seneca XT 35L), but we had to wait 4 months past the promised date for it, and in the meantime, we bought a small cabin in the mountains to escape the Phoenix heat. We got the rig home and promptly have had myriad problems with it such that it is unusable until I can get a mobile RV repair tech out to work on it. I’m handy but not handy enough to fix the problems. Anyway, because we had to wait, and because we bought the cabin, we’re now thinking to just sell this big rig, and buy a B van for travel, stay in hotels most of the time, but have the rig available when we can’t find a dog friendly hotel. I’m leaning towards liking the Transit more than the ProMaster, BUT, I feel the Transit versions are too expensive for our proposed usage. Another reason we are considering a B van is so that we always have facilities available. I’m a cancer survivor, but unfortunately the radiation messed up my plumbing a bit, so having the facilities may be very helpful, not to mention cleaner than gas stations and rest stops.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

That all makes a lot of sense and unless you need something with AWD or 4x4, the ProMaster might be a great option for you.

I prefer the Promaster to the Transit for driving based solely on the location of the gear selector. In the Promaster is higher on the dash and allows me to not have my knee hitting the housing for the gear selector like it does in the Transit. I'm 6'4" so knee position is critical.

Promaster 20L Thor owner, 2020 model year. We’ve only known this van, so had to compare but we are satisfied. Drives like a champ, I usually will hit the “tow-Haul” button, then hills and Mountains are no problem, only complaint is fridge and micro are to low and make it difficult to operate. We have the twin beds and love it. Wet bath is great and gives us an advantage when travel days are back to back. Average MPG has been 16 mpg, just broke 60,000 miles tires replaced, a couple of repairs under ram warranty , that said I’d trade it in a heartbeat for a Eccko .! Thanks for the great video.😊

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Nice and fair comparison. My Travato Gl ( Promaster) gives me what I need for now but I love the Ford SuV eco boost and awd. I’m waiting to see where van builders go over the next year before I make any change. Out West I really see the advantage of the Ford.Did you lift your LT after purchase? I know it comes with a 2” lift.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

No we haven't lifted the Ford anymore - I don't believe it can be lifted more than the 2" because of the AWD system.

@deborah4579

11 ай бұрын

@@Weretherussos Good to know and one less expense. Have a good day. 😊

Pro master all the way.

The towing abilities of the EcoBoost has me wanting the Ford. I have the same engine from the ProMaster in a Dodge minivan and while it's fine in the lighter and smaller vehicle, the transmission gives me concerns.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Makes sense

Just got a Transit High Roof with the eco boost!

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Congrats!

Nothing is perfect. With lift kit wildpeak tires and recover boards, I feel the Promaster is fairly adequate for the forrest roads we travel. The visibility, turning radius gas mileage, and comfort are also appreciated. Oftentimes, builds on Promasters price competitively. That said, the Transits awesome power and traction are hard to argue with. I wouldn't throw either one out of my driveway if gifted to me.😅

@noahklein360

11 ай бұрын

Where do you store the spare tire?

@bearlynormalwetshaver1894

11 ай бұрын

@noahklein360 currently do not have a spare tire. I'm a cyclist & need the bike rack however the Aluminess Box Tire rack is a solid choice.

Your particular needs can determine which you get regardless of the niceties/limitations of each brand. We live in a condo complex and needed an RV no longer than 18 ft. Ford doesn't make an 18' high roof Transit , and neither does MB for its Sprinter, so we had to get a Promaster. We like it, but my point is that there is no Transit that we could park here, so it doesn't matter what its advantages are , for us. Conversely if you feel you must have 4WD, I suppose the Promaster is out. Though some Promaster comments on this thread made me think you could get pretty far overland in a Promaster if you added a winch and brought its ground clearance up a bit.

I still have my heart set on either a Thor Gemini or Compass on the Ford Transit AWD. I wonder if lift kits are available for that length too? Real bathrooms & showers matter to me lol

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Are you referring to lift kits and/or 4x4?

That is sadly a big issue for the RAM. There is not really an option of 4x4. Place wise the RAM is much more effective and would be my first choice but we got a 2012 MB Sprinter 519CDI with Iglhaut 4x4 and lift. We love it and it goes beyond where the Transit will go.

We have a 2022 Ford Transit 3.5 Ecoboost built out by Vandoit. We just got back from an almost 5000 mile odyssey from Texas all the way and around the west coast. We averaged 12.1mpg. We don't have any other van to compare it too but I will say this trip was an absolute blast. SO easy to drive, get up and go, it was an absolute joy. Your right about the power, it has a beast under the hood. Heck I'm ready to go on another trip. We're kicking around the idea of driving from Texas to BC Canada next summer to visit my wife's family up there. I'm not afraid to do it now. When do we leave?

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Sounds like a fun trip!

@Sewing.School

11 ай бұрын

I've got almost 100k miles on an ecoboost Expedition that gets a solid 20 mpg on 80 mph highway miles. I was disappointed to hear that the vans are so much lower in fuel efficiency. I just didn't think they were that much heavier to do that - so gotta wonder if it is the AWD guzzling the fuel or the dually aspect.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

The height/aerodynamics are part of it but the Transit GVWR is 9,500 lbs where as the Expedition is more than 2,000 pounds less. My guess is that they are also gear differently and with a camper, you also have the roof rack, ladder, larger all terrain tires, etc.

Are there any manufacturers using the 2033 Promaster with an extra high roof? Also 2023 Promaster has an extra long. I think it's 13' inside. I'm not sure if that is different than the 159" wb extended.

The Promaster is front wheel drive. And smokes the Ford 2 wheel drive in snow. Get chains. And save

Interesting comparison, well done Joe, as usual. I don't own either. They all have good things about them and they all have bad things. There is no such thing as a perfect van, they will all break at some point. Between the Mercedes, Ford and Ram, I would go with the Ford but this is just my personal choice. I have a full on HATE for dodge, so they are pretty much ruled out, most of this is because of our local dealerships, subpar service at dodge. Mercedes are expensive and dealers are few and far between and you only have the diesel option. So that leaves me with the Ford. The 3.5 is a beast but it is also an extremely complicated engine and as stated, it is hungry. I can't afford to buy new so we are looking for a good used B, unfortunately with some health issues that are cropping up we are going to need a unit big enough to have a walk around bed, I need to be able to get to my wife's side to help her out of bed, none of this crawling over each other at our age. Can't find what we are looking for in a B so now looking at a B+ with a Murphy bed and a small slide. Of course the ones I can find are all on the Mercedes. Sooooooo.... Bit of a catch 22 really.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Check out the Leisure Travel Wonder, which is on the Transit platform. If you find an older one, they had the smaller diesel and it was great: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5mqpK2Fpde-h8Y.html

@wornoutwrench8128

11 ай бұрын

@@Weretherussos I have looked at a Wonder RTB but up in Canada the prices, even for used, are still stupid. Right now I have my eye on an older LTV with the Murphy Bed, its under $100K and not too many miles on it. Will be the MB platform. I'm okay with it as it is pre-DEF (retired mechanic who spent way too much time fighting with aftertreatment systems). Will only need for 3-4 years before my wife will no longer be able to use so why not. Thanks for the Reply Joe.

Moving Forward Adventures is trying one out now.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

That's their van 😎

@shekharmoona544

11 ай бұрын

​@@Weretherussos😂😂😂😂

@MovingForwardAdventures

11 ай бұрын

Shekhar, it was fun for us to have a behind the scenes view of this video 😃

I have that same WGO Travato in your review and found your comments spot on. Easy to drive but gutless in the mountains. I have owned it for less than two years and next dreaming of custom build on a Transit extended. Do you know what kind of mileage hit you get with the long Transit?

@deborah4579

11 ай бұрын

Hasn’t the new engine improved the performance in the mountains? Bummer.

@mikeskaggs3763

11 ай бұрын

@@deborah4579 There is no new engine. Same Pentastar 3.6L V6. There is a new 9sp tranny but you really don't use the last two gears. Actually is pretty good engine used in many FCA platforms such as RAM 1500 pickup, Dodge challenger, Durango, Jeep, etc. Since naturally aspirated, you lose horsepower as you climb in elevation vs a turbo

Which one can you put a tow bar on and tow with 4 wheels on the road?

Not bad for the Pro-Master for a design that’s 15 years old.

It seems to me the all wheel drive really knocks the gas mileage down. We just got back from a 12,000 mile trip with our 2022 Pleasureway Oontour 2.2 (built on the biggest Transit with dual tires and rear wheel drive) and never got less than 15 mpg. There were certainly periods where rain and headwinds caused mileage to dive but it seems by the time I fulled up there had been periods of slower driving or ????? that brought it at least up toe 15 mpg. In Canada we were driving slower and many times got 17 mpg. We previously owned a Winnebago Trend (a B+ built on a Promaster chassis) and got around 14 mpg.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Besides driving style, a lot depends on weight and accessories

For tall people (I am 6'5") the large Transit is the way to go. Our Contour 2.2 ceiling is 6'6" so I don't have to bend over. We also have a north south bed that is 79 inches long. My wife will not have a bed where someone has to climb over the other person to get up at night. Not everyone needs this but we do.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

That makes sense....thank you for sharing

@timothydavis3703

11 ай бұрын

If my promaster super high roof ever is delivered...I have solutions for the climb over options

We have and love our ford transit connect and would lean toward the transit (still researching). The steering wheel in the Ram is not a tilt, does the transit? The main dislike on the transit is the awning sticking out on most models. The awning mount on the roof rack of yours looks great and I think if the awning could be mounted on the side of the roof instead of the top would be a major visual improvement.

@Weretherussos

7 ай бұрын

Yes it does tilt

@bernie.b

7 ай бұрын

Thank you..... Another advantage

Чувак, ты слышал что нибудь о Dangel? Полный привод на фургон типа promaster, он же ducato, он же jumper, он же boxer СУЩЕСТВУЕТ, но только на механике и с дизелем. Привет. 😂😂😂

Good video. I have a Coachmen Beyond on the Ford Transit 3500. Love the way it drives and handles. I do not like the looks of the Ram Promaster. The front reminds me of a Pug dog.(sorry to all the pug owners!) Also, I like the AWD and not a fan of the front wheel drive. I also had a Roadtrek built on the Mercedes. That was a good one too. Overall, I prefer the Ford Transit.

@Weretherussos

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

You seem to have overlooked three important 'van purchase' differences. Apples to apples, the Promaster is less expensive to purchase new. Lead time to receive a Transit you have ordered requires a longer wait time. And how do the costs of the most common options choices compare?

you're downplaying the price difference. Comparably equipped the Ram is at least $7500 cheaper. Price is the biggest factor for most people.

@CS30123

11 ай бұрын

availability has to be considered. You still can't get a new Transit for close to a year.

@Chwizzy

9 ай бұрын

Ram is now the same price as ford

@CS30123

9 ай бұрын

@@Chwizzy i buy them all the time. this is completely false. Both have went up in price since covid. The price gap is the same. With Fords being backordered for a year.

@janismurray2454

5 ай бұрын

What are you guys talking about, he did not downplay the price, he clearly said the Promaster was less expensive but obviously depends on what your building preferences are.

@janismurray2454

5 ай бұрын

He clearly said the Promaster was less expensive

Funny how this comparison would have gone the other way around in Europe when it comes to reliability. The Ducato JTD engine makes the Ford TDCi engine look very bad. For every Transit you see on the road here, there are 20+ Ducato. Too bad that the USA never got the good engines AND transmissions.

I just ordered a transit, was told by dealer there’s only 2 lengths available

Which van will last longer in the long run?

Can you do a video comparing the ford transit awd to the sprinter Please 🙌

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Here you go! kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJtp1KqReJzWpps.html

My Promaster self destruct at 81,000 miles. Run, run fast.

What about towing? Who's got the highest towing capacity or GCWR?

Great comparison! We also experienced the huge let down of the ProMaster on hills and getting stuck in little muddy areas. It did OK on other dry dirt but def not when it was deeper or wet. We also experienced strange transmission issues with the ProMaster that we haven't experienced with any other vehicle. RPMs climbing going down hills, even small ones. Shifting gears wouldn't even help the situation and our tech just attributed it to the chassis/tranny style. Sooooo much happier with the Transit.

@alissacrossett252

6 ай бұрын

What year Ram?

@VanDoghies

6 ай бұрын

Ours was 2022 Promaster@@alissacrossett252

ProMaster is for the local driviving contractor industry. not meant for driving all over the place like people do in Camper vans.

You couldn’t give me a Ford!!! I had a Ford many years ago, but that thing was on the side of the road more than I was driving it. It was one thing after another, and I swore I would never have another. Ford!!!! Matter of fact, Ford stands for something as a joke. I think it’s like forever on the road down or something like that and it’s so true. I’ve heard good and bad on all of the vans, but I like the width and the height of the Pro Master Because I plan on living in mine! I won’t be going off-road up mountains any kind of rugged terrain I’m too old for that crap but I do want to visit the State parks, etc. I guess my question would be have you broke down in either of these vans?????

@Weretherussos

2 ай бұрын

Nope no breakdowns in either

I’m going to be curious about Brightdrop, Rivian, and Transit EV vans. I have the 3.5 Ford motor in my Explorer which is faster than my Tesla if the trailer isn’t attached, but the Tesla costs less to drive.

@Weretherussos

11 ай бұрын

Right now the Transit EV only has a range of around 100 miles empty. Not practical for any type of camper.

I would take the ford because of all wheel drive . No fun getting stuck in snow. And I would like dirt roads exploring.

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily