I think we play in a really strict way of positional play also in attack, but the way it connects with relationism is by controlling all that football concepts, movements and language that arteta is keen on teaching and then letting the players be themselves in that system. And by that I mean that everyone have some special traits that they flourish when they know the system. So for example havertz was playing well the 8 until he started to not just be an 8, he started being Kai, and I'm seeing this kind process in Kiwior, so that's what I think. It's kinda when you get along with someone, at some you don't have to think anymore, you have all the automatisms so you are comfortable just being yourself

@alexandrenicolaslonz3007

2 ай бұрын

Good point, well said

I've been saying Arteta has been adopting relationism since the beginning of the season. The main reason being his love for Jesus and bringing in a raumdeuter like Havertz since relationism embraces that chaos more. The beginning of the season was about learning the movements so it can be the underlying scaffolding that they intuit to protect themselves against the inherent weaknesses in relationism if you break the overloads. The targets Arsenal keeps looking for seem to be players with their technical skill and carrying ability. The love for ESR and Reiss Nelson suggests to me that Arteta wants to fall into this idea little more just because it seems to unlock positional play.

Thanks for doing Relationism as it was my comment on the community page. I now have better idea of what this term is and how it directly opposes positional play.

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❤ great video

I think we play a good and healthy balance of both really well. I’d call our style of play, “ Positional Relationism”

This summer Arsenal need to bring back Mika Biereth, the boy is a clinical striker. Then we need to buy Jarod Bowen from WestHarm united, I love his dribbling skills, pace, and clinical finishing.

@thierryhenry674

2 ай бұрын

When I watched Biereth in the academy. It seems like he is a Vardy type of finisher who is aggressive towards defenders. But in his loan spell, he showed that he has some tricks in his dribbling skills, and his passing game is also quite good creating for his team. I’m glad that his game is more well rounded. I don’t want a one dimensional goal hanger like Haaland who is a liability in other phases.

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Positional play is overall better than relationism because of a few reasons. In relationism, the moment you lose the ball, if most of your players are on one side. Then there will be plenty of space on the other side for the opponent to attack. The central area is the most important area to protect because the goal is in the centre. You don’t guarantee if you have enough protection in the centre at the very moment you lose the ball. You can’t stretch the opponent’s defensively line as wide as it can if your players are all on one side. The opponent would just shut down the centre plus the side you are on. Players are human, each of them takes time to observe and make decisions. If you make 50 passes, then you have to multiply these decision making time by 50. However, in positional play, players know exactly what to do, they don’t even have to find where their teammates are, the decisions are already pre-made. So your team would have an advantage because your team process faster than the opponent. A 100% relationism team is not going to work in today’s football. However, I think teams can add elements of relationism into a positional play structure to increase the level of chaos. A false 9 itself is already an unpredictable factor for the opponent as he is almost free to roam around. So the positional play system we known of, is not 100% positional play anyway. I think a team can have 2 to 3 completely free players to do whatever they wanted to do. So it adds unpredictability into a structured system.

@timeisontheessence

2 ай бұрын

I agree and disagree on some of your points here but I think you've given a fair argument as to why positional play is better than relationism Agreements: - positional play involves automation, so even the less technical players can adopt this approach because they simply have to occupy a zone or space. There's a structure to fall on, whereas relationism would hurt these type of players because they don't have the IQ or expression to move around freely or creatively. They need to be thought and managed - it's more controlled than relationism so you're expected to dominate the ball, and if you dominate you generate more chances Disagreements: - the positional play teams are often too predictable, and they face a barrier when they meet low block teams. For example, Most opponents are aware that the wingers will stay out wide and that can be countered with an overload, or doubling up on the winger and if the winger plays the back pass or spreads it centrally the opposition can restructure their shape and remain compact in the center - Relationism allows creative expression which is harder to counter because it is unpredictable. If there's small incisive combinations between 5-6 players like you see with Diniz, i think you'll disorganize the opponent structure easier because you're setting up traps for them to come out and: 1) press = which can be bypassed through diniz passing combos 2) overload a side= if you bypass the overload you can transition up the pitch or switch the ball to players that werent part of the "combination phase" if that makes sense. If there are 4 players combining passes and 6 trying to overload on one end of the pitch, if that's bypassed and balls is transitioned to other side of the pitch, you have numerical advantage the moment the ball is switched - Relationism teams like real Madrid, France, still exist and win so there's definitely a place for it in football

@thierryhenry674

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@timeisontheessence You have to have one player wide on each side to stretch the opponent’s defensive line. So that each of their defenders are wider apart, creating spaces to penetrate. If they double up here, it means there are spaces elsewhere. Having skillful central players will allow us to access central area more. That’s why we can’t break low block down when Jesus is not there. Havertz and Odegaard are not actually that skillful if you compared them to Cazorla or Thiago. Otherwise we could access central area easily if we get doubled up on the wing.

@timeisontheessence

2 ай бұрын

@@thierryhenry674 so would you say that a Smith Rowe profile, someone who could ball carry would fix that issue

@thierryhenry674

2 ай бұрын

@@timeisontheessence I don’t think ball carrying alone would fix that issue. ESR is a good vertical ball carrier. He identifies spaces and runs into it. But his ball control is not like Trossard, Cazorla, Hleb, Nasri, which when they are not necessarily running, and when they are in tight area, no one can get the ball off them. ESR also lack that top passing ability, in both combining and playing through. If KDB is the best in that, then you can see ESR is someway off that standard.

@timeisontheessence

2 ай бұрын

@@thierryhenry674 so who would you go for in the market to get the right profile

Methinks you enjoy trolling Lee Gunner a bit too much!

@NakulKrishna

2 ай бұрын

Who doesn’t with that clown

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