What kind of evidence would prove God? | Chris-SC | The Atheist Experience 638
The Atheist Experience 638 for January 3, 2010, with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris. Topic: Childhood Indoctrination. Chris from Greenville, South Carolina asks the hosts what kind of evidence it would take for them to believe in God.
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when you are inventing a god it's important to make him silent, never does anything, and is of course invisible. Otherwise people will become skepitcal.
@andrzejsawicki3770
2 жыл бұрын
Good point. I like it.
@cliftongaither6642
Жыл бұрын
that's perfect
"What kind of Evidence would prove God?" How about God himself coming down and proving himself, ending all these thousands of years of debates and arguments once and for all? That'd be nice, but of course it won't happen.
@danshady09
7 жыл бұрын
lol so true
@Piterixos
7 жыл бұрын
How would you distunguish between God and aliens making fun of us?
@armadyl1212
7 жыл бұрын
Piterixos Yeah, good point. But under most god models, that god should be able to demonstrate that he is in fact a god, and hasn't done so.
@danshady09
7 жыл бұрын
Piterixos simple god would have a slave on a leash with him
@armadyl1212
7 жыл бұрын
Super Gramps Lol
I don't know what evidence would prove gawd. But, if there is a gawd, it knows EXACTLY what evidence would convince me and if that gawd cared AT ALL about my belief, then it would provide it.
@nazzarynnavarronunez9471
5 жыл бұрын
God*
@nazzarynnavarronunez9471
5 жыл бұрын
@@paulnolan4971 ...Can't argue with such a compelling argument.
@zatoichiMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
Not gawd... Gord
@kimweaver3323
4 жыл бұрын
@@zatoichiMiyamoto Gord is gawd. Praise Gord, our lord.
Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."
So..............God created trillions and trillions of planets / stars and he just hangs out on Earth ?
@makoanders1180
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's also funny. And not just on this Earth, but only for Catholic religious people. He surely must have his atlas up to date !
@abichristina786
5 жыл бұрын
Edward Quinn Yeah he made all those planets and stuff and after all this time we have only ever stepped foot on the moon and no other space object. Wtf?
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
And HIDING ! ? ....................
@Irishmule169
4 жыл бұрын
Edward Quinn It’s Thanos !!!!!!!!
@kenzobang5361
4 жыл бұрын
God must know goldilocks coz where placed in our milky way just right 👍🏼🌍
If a god truly exists, why then doesn't he know how to prove himself to me?
@SatanIsSextingMe
9 жыл бұрын
you answered that yourself
@dirtymikentheboys5817
9 жыл бұрын
pappa john You want him to force himself into you???
@pappajohndodgybob
9 жыл бұрын
Adrian Brent No he can't ! That is the point!
@AssassinoJaxon
9 жыл бұрын
pappa john "It's not that he doesn't know how. After all he is all knowing right? It's just that he needs you to believe in him. Give your everything to God and he will reveal himself to you." Paraphrased theist quote. Here is a favorite of mine. "He won't reveal himself to anyone until the end times." Basically, he doesn't want anyone to know he is real until it is too late. Either that or he just isn't there.
@dennissvensson6051
6 жыл бұрын
But if he shows him/her self to (you only you), how do you know the difference between a hallucination and a real "something" is in front of you? Of I thought God was talking to me, the first thing I would do is go to a psychologist and hospitals for a examination.
I'm an atheist for the same reason Isaac Asimov is: "i don't have the evidence to prove god doesn't exist, but i suspect it so strongly that i don't want to waste my time."
@orengo9728
5 жыл бұрын
To be an atheist, you don't even need to prove that no god exists. Atheist only means that YOU don't believe in any gods.
"What do you think of miracles?" *Matt moves finger closer to hang up button
@tedgrant2
4 жыл бұрын
Everything is a miracle according to creationists. So a better question is "how can you tell when an event is not a miracle ?"
@tedgrant2
4 жыл бұрын
@- That's not completely true... "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people" "Then the Lord sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem " "But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him"
God is all-knowing, ever-present, ultimately powerful, but apparently he's bad with money and needs to hit us up for for a little help.
@cameronvadnais4388
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like some people I've met in real life.
@hellohandsome9875
2 жыл бұрын
@Viktor Tandofsky what about believers who don't respect the atheists views?
@gobbygoo3981
Жыл бұрын
George Carlin...thank you!
lol. " oh god is energy, but he really really needs 20 bucks "
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl
7 жыл бұрын
And God said, 'You shall build me no temple.'
@ralfhaggstrom9862
4 жыл бұрын
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl And still you do .................
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl
4 жыл бұрын
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 -?- 🙄
@ralfhaggstrom9862
4 жыл бұрын
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl Kirchen ............
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl
4 жыл бұрын
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 Ich habe dich schon verstanden. Ich bin Atheist! Ich baue keine Tempel, für niemanden.
God is everything. "Is god my coffee cup?" I love it.
@russelingersoll6902
6 жыл бұрын
God is Shit....I hate it!!!
@JamesRichardWiley
6 жыл бұрын
If God is everything then there is no need for the word "God".
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
Not when it is EMPTY ......................
@michaeldavis6473
4 жыл бұрын
Everything is the Word, aka; a meaning of its own. God is the Word. Example... God is an orange and gives you orange. He is living Logic. He is the Word, and gives us logic to use.
@michaeldavis6473
4 жыл бұрын
Jay if you don’t get it, you don’t get it... sry You are being the kook. Calm down. How do you know I don’t have something?
21st century and people still believe in god. Wow.
@kikolugo
2 жыл бұрын
If you don’t believe God created life, then what did?
@andrzejsawicki3770
2 жыл бұрын
@@kikolugo Okey. Some immaterial god, I assume the Christian one, said a magic word and poof, created the material world from nothing. Very interesting.
@allstarwatt7246
2 жыл бұрын
@@kikolugo We evolved from lower species, just like every other organism on this planet. We were not created by some magical God. The creation stories of all the Abrahamic religions have already been disproved.
@steampunkbeatnik2133
2 жыл бұрын
@@kikolugo Argument from Ignorance.
@pointbreak8646
2 жыл бұрын
@kiko. What created life? What created god?. How convenient he doesnt need a creator? All arguments for a Gods existence have fallacious baggage with them. You cant argue a god into existence either. It obviously gives believers meaning that we were specially designed by a God. We have evolved. God is man made and it should be so clear to people. Evolution is a fact and theres no way out of it. What is the demonstrable physical evidence for a gods existence? It all seems to be so cryptic.
What would be evidence of god? God droppings!
@terrygunderson3225
9 жыл бұрын
+Coy Hampton holy shit... right!!
@coyhampton3087
9 жыл бұрын
terry gunderson Don't look up.
@terrygunderson3225
9 жыл бұрын
+Coy Hampton Beware of god?
@hewhodwells7543
8 жыл бұрын
+Coy Hampton look in the mirror, or better yet look anywhere
@coyhampton3087
8 жыл бұрын
HeWhoDwells Look everywhere for God droppings?
T"was a time when a theist would have called a bolt of lightening as proof positive of the existence of Zeus,who back then could have argued with him ?He would then claim it as 'proof positive.' For after all what other explanation would then have made sense.
God hasn't been seen for 2000 plus years. Previous to that he 'spoke' to his people on a regular basis. Where the hell did he go?
@BlGGESTBROTHER
5 жыл бұрын
He’s in hiding from science lol
@consciousgentile5141
5 жыл бұрын
To New York with the rest of his tribe...
@vashnanerada8757
5 жыл бұрын
Yep he interacts with some an not others an still punish the people he has no interaction with
@stevenread5473
4 жыл бұрын
God wasn't seen 2000 years ago either.
@tombie8763
4 жыл бұрын
@@stevenread5473 when was god last seen? On a milk carton?
God, in his infinite wisdow, made me an atheist.
@marycross5010
6 жыл бұрын
Good! because If there is such a real God, God would be an atheist. You numbnuts!
@makoanders1180
6 жыл бұрын
Let's say he didn't disagree
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
Me too ...................
@larjkok1184
4 жыл бұрын
Mary Cross Huh? He wouldn’t believe in himself? What are you trying to say, fuckface?
@redcowcat8705
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he also made serial killers and cancer.
I was turning 11 when this was uploaded. I was just starting with apologetics. What I long way I have come.
My whole thing is.... Im just a 32 year old dude who knows nothing, this whole universe has been going on for billion of years. I get a kick out of religious nuts who know and figured all this shit out.... Right. Life will fucking remain a mystery so lets just treat each other well and live decent lives with some passion.
@davids11131113
7 жыл бұрын
And they really think they've 'figured everything out' by believing a magical superbeing is the explanation for everything, which actually explains nothing at all it's just a bigger non answer.
@shinzantetsu
7 жыл бұрын
+davids11131113 absolutely, people are uncomfortable with uncertainty.
@Amoth_oth_ras_shash
7 жыл бұрын
thats some good life wisdom that could solve a bunch of problems if just a bunch more people could embrace it saddly many are raised to fear unceartenty to the point that a none answer such as it happens by magic & realy bad ancient morals is better then acepting theres a bunch of stuff we havent figgured out yet.
@kobron1559
7 жыл бұрын
shinzantetsu amen! Lol
If I accused God of Murder and the district attorney filed the charge based on the hearsay evidence, "the bible" As no one would show, and the trial went forth in absentia, HE would be overwhelmingly acquitted based on the inability of anyone to actually place him at the scene or any other circumstantial or physical evidence. Yet as Christians, your guidebook constantly accuses him of this and many other crimes. Maybe you need to use Charles Manson as your figurehead, he has stated he is indeed a deity and proof of his crimes has been given... Then the term Christian can finally be changed to "Charlatans"
14:00 First rule of any religion : all other religion are telling lies. Actually, that is true. But failing to tell they do the same, obviously.
If the sky opened up tomorrow and the Christian god's light came down from heaven, and armies of angels started sweeping across the Earth in front of us all, and god started speaking down to us in a giant booming voice.........THEN I would stop being an Atheist. Whether I'd start worshipping that god is another matter....
@ColinABarr
10 жыл бұрын
Might want to add that most people you meet for that day also see/saw the same thing or I would think hallucination before god
@E101ification
10 жыл бұрын
Yes, quite right. Insanity would be my first bet until others confirm what I'm observing.
@peterclancy3653
3 жыл бұрын
I would ask "him"? About his crimes against humanity
@kenbob1071
3 жыл бұрын
Angels and giant booming voices? Nah, they're just alien invaders with a great sound system.
Christianity: The art of talking to yourself.
I'm in the Greenville, SC area... I could run into this man at any time.
@wolf1066
4 жыл бұрын
Sincerest condolences, mate.
@sombrecynic4966
3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully with a car...
There are many in wheel chairs who can stand. My daughter for one. Like I would not know. But the pastor tried to use it as proof of god. He thinks I am stupid obviously I believe he is a fraud.
Oh my God I just watched a video where Matt just said "it's weird to say 2020."
Also I'm blind in one eye. I am happy to have the entire world to pray to restore my sight. But I will bet every single person on the planet 1 trillion dollars each that prayer will not heal my sight. Prove me wrong thanks,
"2010, it seems weird to Say that" you guys were not ready for 2020😭
An all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent god that desires for me to be in heaven would know precisely what evidence I would require to be convinced a god exists. It would know what would convince me at every moment of my life, from birth to death. And all of those things would be true for every person in the world. And yet, none of us have any evidence.
What a brilliant video. I wish I had all the time in the world to watch this show all the time. The research i've done and time i've spent on Agnosticism/Atheism have helped me become so much more learned educated on the world around us. Go us!
Since you're so in love with it, I went and did some reading up on the 'argument from fine tuning'. Turns out it has already been refuted. As Matt himself would probably advise you, go to talk origins, educate yourself a little, and stop acting as though your argument is irrefutable. Actual experts (i.e. not creationists) have already done the refuting.
Could God not have sorted this guy's phone line? I'd take that as a minor miracle.
this idea that anyone could even give a definition of a god as to say - 'this is what to look for' is nonsense in of itself. because that person, if they're being honest w/themselves, has never observed the very thing they are defining. and personal experience or revelation is not proof for anyone else.
@thedriza297
8 жыл бұрын
greatly put.
Being as jaded as I am from watching a lot of videos from this and sister channels, it is surprising to me that when the caller said that the big bang is something coming from nothing, and was called out for it, his response was: Ok, I need to read more into it. That is great He was at the very least willing to stay silent while things got explained, hopefully that meant that he was listening.
When push comes to shove, "Energy" becomes just another metaphor, because deists want the respect of a scientific term while they dismiss its implications when contradicting their claims.
@JamesRichardWiley
6 жыл бұрын
the word "energy" makes more sense to me than the word "god".
what would it take to demonstrate the claim? I don't know. What do you have as evidence?
“What does god need with a starship?” James T. Kirk.
I love the episodes that go well like this now. I used to love the episodes where you destroyed some moron, but now I find myself enjoying these much more. Where some guy, with an honest question, honestly seeking other opinions, is told exactly why "free thinkers" or whatever you want to call it think the way we think. Open, honest, non-shouty dialogue. It's good.
@WhoThisMonkey
2 жыл бұрын
Hello back there in the good old days.
anyone else get annoyed at people who say 'you know' constantly?
The only problem is coming up with an understanding of what "nothing" really is. Something coming from nothing may not even apply.
I've learned a lot from listening to this show.
But he's God! If he could give me evidence instead of messing around he would also know exactly what evidence i would need.
Tracie's hotness is as close to being evidence for god's existence as I think I can get. Of course, not even that's enough, but damn...
Ill tell you which covenant offends me. 7- Slaves, obey your masters, especially if your master is exceptionally harsh on you. 8- Whoever marries a divorced woman, commits adultery. 9- Do not judge and do not condemn. 10- Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you, And do not ask for your possessions back from the person who takes them away.
virtual particles do not pop in and out of existence , they pop in and out of detection. Prove they pop "into" non-existence. ?
If someone is in a wheelchair and can not walk they have no leg muscles for obvious reasons , also limbs are stiff , imagine the pain of being seated for 24 hours not moving and then standing legs will be very stiff and sore , when you have a basic understanding of this it makes it even more infuriating that some believe these BS miracles
I don't really see the point in writing "god" with a capital "g". Why would I recognize the word "god" as something that has to be emphasized. It's just a word that has no value. Maybe it's nitpicking but I think when we type God, we sort of acknowledge his importance. God isn't even a name. And people are used to capitalizing certain words in midsentece to which they asign importance to. Well, I won't any longer. The word god is the same as the word spoon. And we all know ... there is no spoon.
@TechnoMinarchist
9 жыл бұрын
+luismendezs If I remember correctly it's to determine the difference between other gods and the bibles god when using the bible. Stupid I know, but hey, the religion has a bunch of stupid rules and practically controls everything of its followers right down to what they should eat on a Sunday.
@Nanofuture87
9 жыл бұрын
+Jacen Solo You use lowercase when you're referring to a generic god / using god as a descriptor and capitalize when you're referring to a specific god. In other words, you capitalize when you are using the word god instead of the name of that god. The rule applies to gods other than Yahweh.
@terrygunderson3225
9 жыл бұрын
+luismendezsdo you mean sploon?.... There is no sploon...
@jeffc5974
9 жыл бұрын
+Nanofuture87 We don't do that with other things. I may capitalize Nanofuture87, but I don't capitalize "person" or "commenter" when referring to a specific person or commenter (in this case, you). We only use it when referring to monotheistic gods, because it would be synonymous with its name, if you were an adherent of that faith. If there were a descriptor that only applied to one thing, we would capitalize it similarly. The problem with this is, why would we bother with the descriptor if we already have a name for it?
@johnlopperman2161
6 жыл бұрын
luismendezs Dog spelled backwards
So, how many Joules does God have? How many Joules/second or W (Watts) of its energy does God use to answer prayers? How does God regain that energy after answering prayers? Does God ever regain that energy? Theists who call God energy typically do not know a damn thing about what I am talking about here.
The first ad I got was a church promoting miracles. “If you’ve got the limbs missing, come see us”. lol 😂 🙄
listening to chris trying to compose sentences is a pain in the ear
@JamesRichardWiley
6 жыл бұрын
The callers are evidence of the damage done to the human brain by religious indoctrination. It blocks critical thinking.
@davewilliams5102
5 жыл бұрын
Great Comment. Not in the ear though...a little lower part of the body!
@danthedewman1
5 жыл бұрын
"something like that"
@kadejito1
4 жыл бұрын
Um...so.....yeah.....but.....um.....like.....🙄🙄🙄
Coffee may not be agod but its damm nearly is
Like Tracie said, it depends on the claim. Well, for example, if you are talking about the god that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; and who is the one supreme god, then that god has a lot of proving to do. He or she must manifest in a physical form, and must cause all religions in the world (Buddhists, Taoists, Shamans, Muslims, Christians, Bahai, Hindu) to all become aligned to one world religion. He or she must provide a complete, comprehensive, concise and coherent manuscript in all languages of the world. There must be repeatable and observable evidence of that being. For example, every time that someone "prays" as that manuscript specifies, then the 'prayer" must be fulfilled, no matter how fantastic.
How is it sad to care about whether your beliefs are true? I think it's important to care about having the most possible true beliefs, and the least possible false ones.
I personally don't think anything would be able to prove God for me, even if the big guy himself came down and knocked by roof out and said. : I AM GOD! Because really anything or any god would be able to do so, it could just as likely be Zeus or pan trying to mess with me. I could be the Gnomes living in my pinky that desire to make a prank with me, If you could prove God, you can prove anything else, as nothing is impossible for God, and thus everything could also be the truth if God could exist.
@brentlionakaboldchamp
5 жыл бұрын
If God actually existed, that doesnt then mean that other things are then possible or could happen, because, apparently, he likes things to appear as they already do, and to happen as they already do.
I know how god could say he is real. He could appear in front of all the capital building in all of the capitals in the whole world at the same time. Then he could have people who has lost limbs, an eye, a bad heart, dying of cancer and replace all the things they have lost, cure them and bring some dead people back to life. It would be easy for god to do that. LMFAO!
@consciousgentile5141
5 жыл бұрын
Sure would
It is the horrible an heritage from the childhood.....still needing a father... a ruler, a punisher, a person who is directing you..a person that gives safety...the mother still from the childhood is now Maria..the friendly mother..maybe we are so attached to this structure we cannot let go the father/ mother childhood feeling.
Since space/time existed at the beginning of the big bang, the singularity that preceded it would be the cause of the current state of the universe.
Jesus walking on waters no big deal there is a lizerd who can run on water
If you think of the planet Earth as God it all actually fits. It gave us life It gives us everything we need It needs to be worshiped (taken care of) When we die we will return to it (heaven?) Could all this God stuff just be a metaphor for the planet that really did create us? hmmmm
@edsmith2035
9 жыл бұрын
versioncity1 " Some people can take it that way but then why not just say do you believe in Earth?" That's what I do say. "God by definition is a conscious being (of some sort) or a 'supernatural' being." So? Maybe over the centuries its turned into more than a metaphor. You know how word of mouth stories go, they tend to change every time they are retold.. It certainly fits better than a magic man in the sky. :-)
@edsmith2035
9 жыл бұрын
versioncity1 Hey moron I'm not saying there is a God I said God may be a metaphor of Earth. Didn't say Earth was a God geeezzzzzzzzzzz And whats a Cornish Pasty? Is that a Cornish hen stuck on some girls nipples?
@edsmith2035
9 жыл бұрын
versioncity1 "Ahhh the old insult. it doesn't take much for you to show your colours does it." Nope and I was never hiding anything to begin with. "I was just attempting to show the flaw in your argument, that's all, but I'm guessing you didn't quite grasp that." As you didn't grasp that I wasn't trying to sell you anything. Hmmm my bad! "All the best on your metaphorical and intellectual quest." Not on any quest but thanks anyway
@pappajohndodgybob
9 жыл бұрын
versioncity1 Maybe god IS a cornish pasty - explains catholics eating the body of christ in church! And I DEFINITELY believe in Cornish Pasties!
@MikeTall88
9 жыл бұрын
It listens to our prayers? It cares about how and to whom we have sex?
Good session
wait a minute. I thought morgan freeman was god?
What evidence? How about ANY evidence at all? Let's just start there.
@boazmanyara158
8 жыл бұрын
Every Christian ever "Look around you. Everything is proof." 😂
@SNORKYMEDIA
5 жыл бұрын
cancer, bubonic plague, typhus, AIDs - stuff like that?
a beautiful book? i totally agree with that. my favorite part is when god pretty much kills all humanity except for a handful of people and then that handful of people repopulate the earth in no time by inbreeding. beautiful indeed. and let's not forget about slavery, i'm totally into that too. and telling people that by not following this book they will suffer for all eternity is not a way of trying to control them at all. :D
What asked, "What would it take?" I generally respond with 1. Nothing humans have tried so far, so chances are nothing you can say or do will do so as I've read argumentation from those likely more familiar with this subject than you a layman. 2. I don't know what god will do or say to me. Only he knows. He's not doing so for now. Apparently, there's nothing I can do to make him do so as I have asked him to do so on quite a few occasions. He's not answered that prayer unless that answer is "No". If he's not doing anything to convince me then maybe he doesn't want me to know (at the least for now) 3. Why are you trying to do what seems to be against his will? 4. Pray to your god for me. That he will reveal himself to me in a way which would convince me. Thanks for playing. Next!
The production value changed so much over the years haha
I fancy Tracie so much and she's old enough to be my mum. :/
@navajasrs2402
9 жыл бұрын
MrHappyfuntimeskayak If Carl Sagan and Sigourney Weaver had a daughter. Works for me.
What kind of evidence would prove God exists? For starters, let me see God move the needle on my Yo, God! Detector.
That Blue screen backdrop is a sink in a vanity top therefore God
God can't be Matt's coffee cup, but damn it is way more reliable!
The "something from nothing" argument is nonsensical to me. Nothing can come from nothing. If there was ever nothing in the universe, there would still be nothing. The problem is that there is no such thing as nothing. The universe is filled with energy and energy cannot be destroyed, it can only change forms. Einstein proved that mass and light are simply different manifestations of energy. Even empty space ( devoid of matter) still has an energy value and matter and anti - matter particles popping in and out of existence. Perhaps the creation of universes is just natural stages of the transformation of the energy within space?
@thomasbriggs4718
8 жыл бұрын
+Grateful Apostate Actually if you study very recent discoveries in physics, there is growing evidence that empty space is quantum mechanically unstable. This can result in an inflationary universe, or a multiplicity of inflationary universes, of which ours is one. One of the principle theorists exploring this is Lawrence Krauss, who travels the world lecturing on this topic. The idea that nothing can come from nothing is a restatement of Aristotle's causality arguments. Quantum mechanics has shown that this is not the case. Uncaused quantum mechanical events happen all the time. Particles come into and out of existence continuously, with no cause. Moreover it has been demonstrated that there is no 'hidden' cause for this. It is a property of quantum mechanics, the deepest physics we know.
@gratefulapostate3123
8 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Briggs This still indicates to me that the building blocks of the universe have always been present, so "nothing" as most people imagine it, does not exist.
@gratefulapostate3123
8 жыл бұрын
+Grateful Apostate I don't believe in an intentional cause, and certainly not a supernatural agent. I'm sure that there are natural explanations that we just don't fully understand yet, but it defys our common sense to suggest that "nothing" in the most popular sense of the word, can become something.
@thomasbriggs4718
8 жыл бұрын
The farther down physicists dig the more the explanations become purely mathematical and divorced from sensation and 'common sense' . The known physical laws already greatly constrain the possible hypothetical foundations of reality.
@gratefulapostate3123
8 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Briggs You are obviously far more educated on this science than myself, but don't you think it serves us atheists better, when debating with theists, if rather than suggesting that something can come from nothing, we move the conversation over to our definition of nothing.
March, 2022 and still no movement on the needle of my Yo, God! Detector.
"What kind of evidence would prove god" Well after many years of thought on this and learning much more than when I first heard it..I think my answer has changed. The main demonstrable piece of proof would first have to be independent of human thought and origins.
Im with Coy... scat would do it.... Really shiny god scat... Bring it!!!
You know what would be kinda neat is if they used visuals for some stuff but that would mean not going live maybe doing some sort of tiny educational sections that help illustrate some things like show the lineup of fossils or other things scientific these small commercial type clips could slowly inform as ell as spread knowledge because it seems to me that many of these Christians aren't looking for this information so to them it doest exist.
Proving God's existence requires too much gymnastics and contortion. If he exist, he surely don't want us to know. What other explanation accounts for this?
My children love me...generally behave and do as I tell them. I don't hide . They know I am their father. What's the bullshit about a god who is the hide & seek champion of the universe?
The very fact that a question like : "what kind of evidence it would take for non-believers to believe in God?" ... needs to be asked is absolute PROOF that there is NO God.
Needing to ask that question beyond the age of believing in Santa Claus suggests you may never understand.
In order to be considered evidence for a god, the existence or intervention of a god has to be the most sensible explanation possible. That's why I don't think that any evidence will convince me that a god exists, because the idea of a god seems so ludicrous, so unbelievable and alien to me, that it is the least sensible explanation possible. No matter what the scenario is, every other explanation (Even no explanation!) makes far more sense than the existence or intervention of a god.
My favorite call so far. He is open and willing to learn the concepts of causation and reasoning and actually wants to understand instead of making claims.
Understand this: assuming all is caused and bound by the laws of the universe, there is no "chance" in the sense that something may or may not happen. Chance under this context is only meaningful in describing how reality is understood by a consciousness instead of reality itself. For example, when the weatherman says "There is a chance that it might rain tomorrow", what he is really saying is "I don't know for sure that will or will not rain tomorrow, but I cannot definitely say it won't."
I didn't say the book enslaves you, I said you enslave yourself. As living beings we learn from the experiences of life. When fire burns us, we learn not to stick our hands in it. The bible however gives alternate explanations to life's lessons, warping the perceptions of believers from reality. Instead of having a mind free to learn from life, you accept ideas from the bible/holy men that corrupts the normal process of learning. Constraining your thoughts enslaves you to another's will.
Iron Chariots also gives a very thorough debunking of your claims.
Regarding god’s second coming. Atheists should be proud of 2000 years of being right.
The reply to this is "depends on which God".
Proving that God exists is a very popular pastime and many people make a living doing it. For thousands of years people have been trying to prove their particular god exists. But the fact that we are still trying proves one thing for sure. Nobody can demonstrate that any god exists.
@Rob-fc9wg
2 жыл бұрын
Too right mate!
First step for proving god, is defining what a god is.
That's basically consistent with the definition I proposed. Just that the absence of any existence, absence of controlling rules, forces, etc., implies the freedom for anything to happen, for any rules, conditions, etc. to exist. If you want to say (in your definition of nothing) there are no possibilities allowed either, I'd say it's a contradiction in terms, since possibilities are simply counterfactual states of affairs that will always 'exist'.
Hay Matt, your doing a great job for Jahovah, keep up the great work.
'nothing' is 'nothing' is not an answer. What is 'nothing'?
Part 2 - A straight flush seems rare while a mixed hand doesn't, but the odds of getting it are exactly the same - it's just that we see the straight flush as a valuable outcome. Besides the fact that this universe may not be anything special, we simply don't know how likely is is to be as it is. Hawking hypothesizes that perhaps it could not have formed differently, others hypothesize multiverses. However you slice it, it does not come close to adding up to evidence for god.
On the contrary, I try and investigate any argument presented to me ad objectively as possible. One of the reasons I was reluctant to state a position on your argument was because I was not altogether familiar with it. Now I am, and an extremely short search will turn up many reasons why it does not favour design. Seriously, go look it up. I'm not here to waste my time providing you with the education you are clearly missing.
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause. 2. The universe began to exist. 3. Therefore, the universe has a cause. this cause must be an uncaused, changeless, timeless, and immaterial being which created the universe. It must be uncaused because we've seen that there cannot be an infinite regress of causes. It must be timeless and therefore changeless-at least without the universe-because it created time.Because it also created space, it must transcend space as well and therefore be immaterial
5:34 Here we go... the argument that the universe beginning from nothing is proof that miracles occur, therefore god.
Again, there is no argument to refute. The fine tuning argument, as I keep explaining to you, is not evidence for god. I can explain this to you as many times as required.
Please explain in detail why: a) A natural explanation for a phenomenon, has been superseded. b) That we are not able to learn about the natural world from evidence in it. c) There is not consistency in the causes in the natural world? I ask because there are very good reasons for making each of these assumptions and I'd like to hear why you reject them? And I'd like to hear what you would replace these assumptions with.
stephen colbert: "why is there something instead of nothing? 10 words or less!" neil de grasse tyson: "words that make questions may not be questions at all."
The position of the water molecule. Within a cup of water, the water molecules are arranged in a specific order. And you can calculate the probability of that arrangement of water molecules, which is what statistical thermodynamics talks of. In simple terms, you have a grid, that is 3 by 3 squares, totalling 9 squares. The probability of randomly placing a single object in the first cube on the top left corner, is 1 in 9. Thats what i mean by probability of a water molecule within a system.
Stating infinite regression cannot be doesn't legitimize contradicting premises. Also, if you assume a being can be uncaused, changless, timeless, and immaterial in order to resolve the infinite regression, there is no reason why you cannot assume the same for what is seemingly caused, changing, and material. In short, it is self-deconstructing.
I'm watching this in Aug 2018, isn't that weird.
A virtual particle is not a particle at all. It refers precisely to a disturbance in a field that is not a particle. A particle is a nice, regular ripple in a field, one that can travel smoothly and effortlessly through space, like a clear tone of a bell moving through the air.