After I recorded the video I realized that Viltrox has a 28mm F1.8 for Sony. Somehow I ignored that.

@strippedlist

Жыл бұрын

that came out 4 days ago but no review yet about it

@JoATTech

Жыл бұрын

Seems it's new lens (at least their page says so). This got me interested, cause I'm chasing used Sony 28mm F2 for some time already. And this Viltrox seems quite cheap new.

@JoATTech

Жыл бұрын

@@AllTrackerz WOW ... that's interesting. I was not aware there are two versions of this lens. Now I have to search for new one but used :D.

@petermcginty3636

Жыл бұрын

I am no expert in the lens market, but it seems like OMD and Panasonic only make Zoom lenses at the moment. I prefer a prime lens, but in the sense that I like to take out one lens and see what I get for the day. The next day, I take a different lens with me. I like Zoom lenses, but I would not shoot with the same focal length for a while day. 😅

@WSS_the_OG

Жыл бұрын

This does support your point though. That's only one lens!

I believe the wider you go, the more skill of composition and light capture you need. As an amateur, even 35mm feels too wide for me to get good results, let alone 28mm or 24mm. Hats down to pro's like you who can get results from 24mm or 28mm 🎉

@maratbabayan9332

Жыл бұрын

It's just a matter of habit. I use Sony A7 with 24/1.4 lens and this lens almost welded to my camera. I use it for everything from landscapes to portraits. Firstly it was a bit odd FL for me but just in about a month of using it i got used to it and it became my favorite lens.

@ReiDoesIt

Жыл бұрын

@@maratbabayan9332 That is a good point. Why did you go for it, to have it for a month? I've tried both my 35mm prime and 16-35mm zoom, and I do use them when needed, but once it's done, they go off instantly for 85mm prime or 24-70mm to take it's place.

@WSS_the_OG

Жыл бұрын

That's fair. And it does also depend on the types of things, and type of photography, you're most into. A good photographer might be better able to use a 28mm lens where a different one might have been the better choice, but it also comes down to the layout giving the photographer the opportunity to stand in the correct position to frame it properly. Some focal lengths simply don't work in some locations - so don't be too hard on yourself about that. :)

@georgedavall9449

7 ай бұрын

Excellent comment, and so true and on point! 👍

One of my favorites for the micro four-thirds is the Panasonic-Leica 15mm F1.7 (30mm). It's not quite a 28 but it's awfully close. It's compact, sharp, and a superb option for this type of photography.

@rekshoot

Жыл бұрын

This is my go to lens, love it!

@tomfenn7149

Жыл бұрын

The DJI 15mm 1.7 'clone' is even cheaper. I have that one, and it's stunning. Cost me £170. It's my go-to m43 lens.

@followtheboat

Жыл бұрын

The Panasonic 14mm pancake is the ultimate street photography lens on m43 imo. It's so small you're not even sure you put a lens on! It's the best for busy streets.

@clintjohnson5914

Жыл бұрын

I bought the 15 mm 1.7 like that before I even owned the micro four-thirds camera...

@tomfenn7149

Жыл бұрын

@@followtheboat yes, the 14mm is a good lens, albeit a little slow. But then it's faster, albeit only just, than the Ricoh GRIII's 28 equivalent. I sold mine, but now, & due to how small it was, regret that. Criticism like purple fringing and corner sharpness was never an issue.

The optimum focal length is a function of how close you are comfortable shooting people. In crowded, elbow-to-elbow situations 20mm is not too wide, but 28mm is a good compromise. A lot of classic black and white New York street photography was shot on a 28.

Fuji's 18mm 1.4 or f2 has a 27mm field of view. Also, the X100v has a 28mm conversion lens that works very well. I use it all the time.

28 mm should be used to tell a story. They're fantastic for street photography if you get close. They're wonderful lenses for everyday shooting. You'll get a deeper depth of field than you will with a 35mm lens. I just love it but that's my opinion. Great video

Just saw this video. I have the same dilemna. I previously owned a Lumix 7-14mm and a Pentax MX 1 (1/1.7" sensor, 28-105mm equivalent lens). Both of which I love shooting on the 28mm equivalent focal length.

Definitely need a compact high quality 28mm prime for a walkabout one prime lens solution. 24mm a bit wide for people and 35mm a bit narrow for landscapes. The 28mm FL is a good compromise.

I love 28mm, but I started as a film photographer. 28 seems to be more popular with folks that came through film. In film, I shot Contax with Zeiss lenses. The 28 was my go-to street and wide. I still use that lens adapted. I have larger cameras and use the HUGE Sigma Art 28mm f1.4 DG HSM, that is an incredible lens, one of their best ones, but it is huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It was released with one of their best , the Sigma Art 105 f1.4 DG HSM and the 40 f1.4 DG HSM

@caw25sha

Жыл бұрын

I used to have a G2 with 28mm and 45mm. The 28mm was nice but I mostly used the 45, and although it's only 5mm different from the 50mm lenses I was used to the different was still noticeable.

@Luudite

Жыл бұрын

Same. I started with a k1000 and a 28mm. Still a favorite focal length for me.

28mm has always been my favorite wide angle lens. Coming from the film days I had 24mm lenses labeled "super wide", nowadays that label seems laughable with how prevalent ultra wides are now. 24mm was always just too wide for me to really walk around as my prime lens and I never really cared for 35mm. Imo if I could only choose two it would be 28mm and either 40 or 50mm. For many years I just shot a 28-70 2.8 zoom and never wanted for anything else aside from an occasional 16mm fisheye shot.

28mm focal length discussions always sound like this. Even Leica Q/Q2 shooters and GR3 fans simultaneously praise and grumble about its limitations. But you’re correct, Sony shooters are deficient in 28mm options which would give us an equivalent focal length which our Leica friends prefer. So having said that, I managed to get a great deal on a Leica CL with the 18mm pancake lens - 35mm crop equivalent of 27mm, and whoops, I’m really liking that focal length (and the camera, dang). But I’m hard pressed to leave a nifty 50 or one of my many 35mm options for 28mm, because I crop a whole lot less..

Thanks for the video. Don’t know why I missed this but still very relevant even now. I want a modern quality updated one for Sony full frame. My current work around is the new FE 24-50/2.8 zoom with markings for 24, 28, 35, and 50mm focal lengths. Would still like a quality prime that’s small but on the fast side. Maybe someday. Take care.

Canon 28mm RF f/2.8 pancake is small and light, with great color, contrast, sharpness, and character

@mattisulanto

15 күн бұрын

That lens is indeed very nice, but it did not exist when I made the video.

Agreed. I just bought the Canon R 28mm pancake. Delighted to have it.

For me the Fujifilm XF18 1.4 is the lens i really like using for Party- / Eventphotography. Especially for kind of Dancefloor shots and so on. In my eyes a fantastic lens and good in combination with X-T3/5 or X-H2 and so on. I like the focal lenght also for general photography. A bit wider than 35mm but a bit less distortion than a 24mm lens.

It's the most versatile focal length. My most used lens at weddings. It's the lens I use as a filler while I'm creating "art" with the other focal lengths

When I started out I had a 50 (of course) then got a 35. After that my tutor discouraged me from getting a 28 because it was too close to a 35. When I eventually got a 28 I determined that his advice wasn’t really appropriate for me. The 28 opened up a whole new world. Over the years I also discovered that a ~40mm was the “real” normal lens. *FOR ME* … I could happily live with just the 28 and 40 for almost all of my work. I’ll keep my OM 21/2 forever - it’s one of the best “super wides” ever made. On a crop sensor the 28 becomes ~40 equivalent and the 21 becomes ~32 - close enough. I also have the Rokkor M mount 28mm - right now it pretty much lives on my XPro. And I have the Summicron-C 40mm, which makes a nice short tele on a crop sensor. The point is, all that is personal taste and habits. I have no idea why the 28 and 28 equivalent fell out of favour, except that there seems to have been a bit of a craze for wider and super wide. 28 and 40 for general and street work are pretty much perfect for me.

i use sony fe 28/2 for indoor portrait almost all the time

Porst 28mm 2.8...macro for my Fujica STX-2. My favorite "sensor": Ilford super xp2 400.

I had a 28mm, 50mm and a short telephoto zoom with my Olympus OM1 and I looked at the 35mm before I purchased the 28mm and never regretted it .

olympus kit always starts from 14mm at f3.5. the next best thing to a 28mm is the 15mm f1.7 panaleica.

My experience is pretty similar. I didn't like 28mm until I started using the Ricoh GR 3 a year ago...

Just bought an 18mm (28mm full frame equivalent) for my Fuji kit…but it’s a few years old and a bit noisy, sharp though!..❤😊

My favorite lens combo is 28mm&40mm. It's perfect for documenting my friends and lover. BTW, I'm so glad that here's a video talking about focal length.

@mattisulanto

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I have been a fan of the 28mm however I am not a fan of the newest modern lenses because of their clinical look. I don't need auto focus 90% of the time so now I look for quality vintage lenses for my mirrorless camera.

I have and still use the 28 mm 2.8 Nikkor lens. It is not a premium lens and does its job, I also don't see too much curvature of the focal plane. A field of view equivalent to 28 mm in 135-terms is used by many smartphones for their main camera. In order to take pictures which are instantly recognizable as non-smartphone lenses, other options might be more sought after. Like 24 mm. I have a 24 mm 1.8 lens which is (borderline) still usable for general photography. Like 35 mm. It is boring, because it almost always works. I think it is the most useful lens for any user, while not exciting it usually comes with good close-focus which helps, and gets the job done

You are so right. I have a Yashica SLR with 28mm f2.8, beautiful combination

Hi Matti. You should be taking in the aspect ratio also when comparing lens focal lengths between systems. In landscape orientation, the Leica 15mm for micro 4/3 for example works out comparable to a full frame 30mm lens width wise but comparable to about a 26mm lens in image height, and this is a great lens not far at all from the 28mm full frame lens with a 3:2 aspect ratio.

I use a fuji 16mm 2.8 and 50mm f2 they work well . 16mm is usable but you just have to give yourself time to get used to it.

For.a long time, I avoided the 28mm for a silly reason. I figured (back then) that if I want to shoot in 28mm, I can just use my phone so I rather spend my money on other focal length. Then I got a used GX9 with the 14mm f2 5 attached and found I actually enjoyed that lens.

@harryniedecken5321

Жыл бұрын

Thanks I have been considering that lens for it's rectilinear nature. It has been hard to give up the idea of loosing the lens control rings because I use them so extensively on my other lens.

@kristofbarta2964

Жыл бұрын

LoL I have had a 28mm lens (or multiple even) and left it home not to have the same as my phone. But why do I love shooting with my phone? :)

If you go back to micro 4/3, the f1.7 panasonic Leica 15mm (30mm equiv) is small, light, well built and fast and it even has an aperture ring...

I like the 28 mm for landscape and street photography but not so much for shooting people. If you ask strangers to take your picture with an i-phone or a camera with the 28mm lens, he or she would have to know how to position to avoid distortion.

I learnt photography on a 35mm Ricoh KR-10, where my everyday lens was a 28mm for many years. It’s great for street/documentary photography and I love it to this day. It wasn’t a premium lens, but it got the job done, which is exactly how I see the Lumix 14mm. You refer to 40mm as being an odd ball lens, but this is a field of view I have grown to love as well. I’ve used both the lumix 20mm and Fuji xf 27mm which are roughly 40mm equivalents on their systems and they’re both great. Also, I believe 40mm is closer to what the human eye sees than a 35mm or 50mm lens, which is probably why I love it so. I’m no pro, so I won’t usually spend vast amounts of money on lenses, but there are decent enough choices out there. You’ve got me thinking about the Fuji xf 18mm f1.4 now though

Hands down my favourite street focal length. Forces you to get close enough to "smell the streets" 😉 The Sony f2 FE is a dated but excellent lens. No pancake but compact, plus it has an adapter to go wider. I was in love with that Panasonic 14mm on m43. Took my best strobe shots with it. I've been window-shopping Fuji and was disappointed to see there is only one, dated, pancake 28mm equivalent.

In M43 world with very little in 14mm (28), I'm hoping that OM expands their f1.4 Pro line...a 14mm f1.4 or even f1.8 would be great.

It would be nice if APS-C vs full frame were mentioned.

I own the Tamron 28-75 for my Sony a7iv. I really love it. I know it’s not a prime however it’s a quality lense.

@mattisulanto

Жыл бұрын

I have that zoom too and it’s very nice. However, it’s not a prime and not the only zoom that covers 28mm.

I think novices are too easily wowed into thinking they need ultra wides. But in most cases 28mm is far more useful and doesn’t rely on gimmicky perspective distortion.

I've just picked up a Canon EF 28mm 2.8 (the old non-IS one) to use with my 6D. I will use it in combination with my 50mm 1.8 as a compact and lightweight all day carry option. It's ironic that the 28mm lens is relatively unloved on cameras , when millions of smartphone users love their 28mm focal length cameraphones!

Use a wide converter. 0.75x on 40mm is 30mm. Search Nizo ultrawideangle adaptor from Schneider kreuznach. It's acrylic but works well. It's available to n Germany in 3 sizes

The Sony 28mm f2 is not plastic. It’s metal.

For Micro 4/3 best and closest to 28mm focus length is Panasonic Leica 15mm f1.7 which in FF is 30mm. Is absolutely best lense for in Micro 4/3

Try another copy of the Sony FE 2/28. There are well aligned copies. It is the best 28mm I've used.

Learned how to really take pictures on 28mm Ricoh GR2 and an Olympus OM20 with a 28mm f/2.8.. Great setups.. That Olympus lens is still one of the best I've ever used.

I learn to use the 28mm equivalent as the result of using the Fujifilm X70 (18.5mm f2.0). This reason to try the Panasonic Leica 30mm in my Olympus Pen F and now is my favorite option for street photography.

Its my go to wide angle focal length. It's like 24mm for people/portraits, just tightened up enough to still be wide like 24mm but without the perspective distortion. It's like a perfected 24mm.

The EF 28mm f/2.8 IS is one of my most used lenses on Canon full frame. I went to China a few years ago with a 5D classic, the 28mm and a 50mm. I barely used the 50mm.

@mattisulanto

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. You chose the classic two prime kit.

I love my 28mm 2.8 Nikkor AF. I bought it used on ebay in $60.

@mattisulanto

6 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great value.

Hey man I am with you u love 28mm and Sony needs an update in this focal length.

What's wrong with 28mm? It isn't wide enough! That said I own a DJI 15mm 1.7 PanaLeica clone, and I love it.

Just buy the LEICA Q and watch the magic happen 👍👍

There is also Viltrox 28mm 1.8 for sony. It's pretty sharp and has AF as well. Reasonably sized.

@mattisulanto

6 ай бұрын

There is indeed, please see my video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/madm0o-OY9u6eqw.html

I would love to see a Leica 14mm micro 4/3 lens for my GH5. I like the compact size.

I like 27/28mm as a standard street focal length. For some years I used the Fujifilm X70 which had the fixed 28mm equiv lens. So I never thought they were rare or not common.I also have several 18mm options for my APSC Fujis which are 27mm equiv, so I'm rather spoiled for choice. I do prefer that over 35mm.

I love 28mm. It was the go to focal length for years. I wish there was a small sony 28mm f1.8 as sharp and small as the sony 35mm f1.8

Interesting Matti - thanks. I’ve recently bought the small & light Sigma 19mm which is 28mm equiv on my a6500. I also have Pentax & Olympus vintage 28mm lenses which are a versatile 42mm or 56mm on my a6500 or Oly EM5 mk iii.

@mattisulanto

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

I think that Lecia agreed with all lens manufacturers that they would not release 28mm and leave her a place in the market for her new Q3 :) I have all those lovely little sony g's too. But I don't use 24/2.8 at all On a sunny day, I really like to use the 28-60 - it's a very fun lens! At 90% it is in the 28mm position.

For me, a mft user, 28 mm (equivalent 14 mm) is a real prominent focus length. My EXIF dates show this though I am using a 12-60 mm Lumix/Leica lens. That is why also the Lumix 14-140 mm matches my needs.

I also underestimated and disdained the 28mm for years. Since switching to MFT the 15mm 1.7 Panasonic Leica (30mm, I know!) has grown dear to me but it took time. The quality is awesome and I cannot do without anymore. It glued to my Olympus E-PL10, like the 20mm 1.4 (=40mm) to my Olympus E-M5 MkIII. I dropped 35mm after 15 years. It was a favourite but looking back at a decade of digital photography I found the shots always to be boring. That is of course a personal issue 😂

Thanks Matti. I also think that 24mm has limited use. 28mm has been my preferred wide angle lens for many years. In my practice, usually wide enough and not have the risk of giving « unnatural » images. My standard lens is 35mm and I switch to 75/90 or 24 when needed. I feel I have a wide choice and still a small and light bag to tote around.

I bought the Nikon 28mm f/2.8 in the z mount around Christmas to go along with the 40mm f/2. I bought it for street photography. I really like that lens even though it's not a premium lens. Nikon made improvements with this new version. All of the z lenses are better than the old f mount lenses. There's not a lot of distortion. Nikon automatically imports the lens corrections into Lightroom for the z lenses. I know with the 14-30mm it automatically crops in just a little bit. Hudson Henry has a video on that. The 28mm focal length is a little forgiving when trying to be sneaky and not put the camera up to your eye. I can hold it down low and point it in the direction and usually get a good shot. I may have to straighten the photo up. I use a zone focus on front of me to get everything in focus. And having a wide angle lens helps with having a larger depth of field even when you're at f/5.6.

@mattisulanto

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Totally agree! I favor 28mm over 35mm any day. There is another gap in the E-mount lens line-up around 100mm focal length. As much as I would love to see a compact 28mm f/1.8 with less distortion as the older f/2 version, I would love to get a compact 100mm f/1.8 as well.

I used to hate the 28mm focal length - it felt too wide after almost 2 years of using a 50mm exclusively. Yet now it's become my personal favorite. I absolutely love the zuiko 28mm f2.8 when shooting on film, it's so nice.

@blindsouris

Жыл бұрын

I use this lens too, I have the 40mm and 85mm f2 I didn't knew that the price is so high for those vintage lens.

I agree that there aren't a lot of options. I find 28mm is a hard focal length to use. I find using a GR is easier because you can walk up to ppl and no one notices you. A 28mm on a DSLR or mirrorless is a little more conspicuous. Most people would want that focal length as part of a zoom but maybe not a prime. It's a shame.

@kicyiu

11 ай бұрын

Agree. The problem is that many people try to use 28mm for portrait with street environment. And it’s not the best option for approaching strangers.

I've used both 24mm and 28mm primes and I absolutely agree that 28mm is the widest general purpose lens. With lenses this wide 4mm makes a lot of difference. I'm a bit baffled by the obvious gaps in many lens ranges these days. I think some people are probably put off buying into a particular system because there are one or two lenses they need that aren't available for that system. I can remember when film SLR lens ranges were vast but I think those days are over. Zooms these days are excellent and their old reputation for mediocre image quality is a thing of the past, but we still need a good range of primes.

I am curious whether you prefer to use GR III (28mm equiv.) or GR IIIX (40mm equiv.).

As many I was a strong 24+35mm fan. I was not at ease with 28mm too wide for portraits,, to straight for landscapes. Then i sold my gr II... But I felt in love lately with pentax 31mm that I used as a 35mm but with more spaces for groupes and environnements pictures, and was perfect for street photography. I have progressed a lot with that focal. Then I gave ricoh gr a new chance with the 3rd edition and I love it. I would just have like a f/2 or a tiny flash. Options on pentzx mount are too big for this camera

I also fell in love with 28mm as a result of using the GR3. I found it to be the 'do it all' focal length. I use 35mm and 40mm prime lenses + various zooms, so I can shoot 28mm easily enough. I'd prefer a 28mm prime though!

@gainde1137

Жыл бұрын

28mm on compact camera is almost 35mm as you don't use a viewfinder and hold the camera away from the body (distance reduction).

As most of my photography consist of walking around and shooting the things I see in the small town that I live in or landscape photography my choice of lens for the day is usually determined by how much sky I want in my pictures. If the sky is filled with interesting clouds I'll put the Summicron 28mm v1 on my camera if not I'll go with Summicron 35mm v2. While most people may find little difference between a 28mm and 35mm and say you can just step back or forward a few feet depending on which you're using I've found that doing so gives you very different results.

Indeed, now on Sony 28mm this is a problem. I myself am now walking with Minolta md 28/3.5. There are several Sigma I in the arsenal, I would like to collect focal 17, 28, 45, 90mm (the last two are already there) There is also Laowa 28/1.2, but this is a huge manual lens. Viltrox released 28.1.8, Tamron promised 28/1.4. But I need Sigma I 28/2 (3.5)

@mattisulanto

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, a Sigma 28mm F2 would be awesome.

I often carry a 28 and a 35 simultaneously. Love both; each has its strengths. I find the 35 to be more useful more of the time.

Sigma 18-50 for aps-c. Small, fast, starts at 27mm equivalent and runs to 75mm. My first set of lenses was 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4 and a 80-205 zoom. So the little Sigma is right in my comfort zone.

@mattisulanto

10 ай бұрын

The Sigma is a very nice lens indeed, but in the video I was, of course, talking about 28mm (EQV) prime lenses.

Today B&H has available for full frame format: 23 20mm lenses, 37 24mm, 42 28mm, 71 35mm, 100 50mm and 69 85mm lenses.

@mattisulanto

3 ай бұрын

How many of those 28mm lenses are native autofocus mirrorless full frame lenses? In the video I'm talking about those. This video is one year old and it's possible that today there are more 28mm native autofocus full frame mirrorless lenses than at the time of making the video.

@MikeC2K10

3 ай бұрын

@@mattisulanto Yeah, my comment wasn't well thought-out. Sorry. Can we agree that the 28mm lens we wish we could have is the one on the Leica Q series, but without having to spend the cash on a Leica Q? 🙂

@mattisulanto

3 ай бұрын

@@MikeC2K10 Yeah, the Q lens is pretty good and we can agree on that😀

I love the 28mm equivalent field of view. Very sad to see that Sony doesn't have many options. I don't like the 24mm. Guess I've got to adapt my Minolta MD 28f2.8.

I never liked this focal length until I bought the TTArtisan 28mm f/5.6 a year ago for my Leica M and LumixS5 (with an adapter for L mount). I now use it daily because of its small size and discreet appearance (I bought the black version). I've found that it's a perfect length for street photography.

I thought I wasn't a fan of the 28mm focal length until I came across a good deal I couldn't pass by on a Nikkor 28mm f1.8 lens. I've found I've used it a lot, much more than I expected. Funny how things work out 😋

I’ve been dying to get a g master or sigma art level 28mm lens, 24 is just a tad bit too wide for me, and 35 is too close.

It might be that lens manufacturers are trying to differentiate themselves from the standard iPhone look. The default lens on my iPhone X is 28mm. If half the smartphones on the market are taking every shot at 28mm default, you might go slightly higher or lower to look different and make the lens feel stand out from the plethora of images on social media.

I have very many 28mm lenses and 35mm lenses. I learnt photography with 50mm standard lenses and my first purchase was a 28mm and this was my lens pair. I bought 100mm next and that was it in most use cases. The 28mm was the least used. Then I discovered the 35mm lens and suddenly I could make more compelling images more of the time. 35mm was enough to make storytelling more powerful where 28 had tended to dilute the image too much. When I started shooting APSC. I used 35mm most and then went for 28mm and it is a great focal length in the way that 35mm was on film and full frame. I have several 28mm lenses and it’s a good go-to focal length. The rise of the zoom has limited the range of primes you can explore and lenses are too complex and overly large to use discretely. I think Fujifilm have a 27mm or too an that means Viltrox could be another source of lenses in this range.

I bought Nikon AF-S 28m 1.4E for my d780 2 weeks ago, and it's amazing! I switched to it from the 35 1.8 and i'm really enjoying it!

@mattisulanto

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Back when I shot film, 28mm was definitely my favourite. It was basically what I considered to be my "normal" lens. (I had previously used 35mm as mornal, but once I got a 28mm I never went back...)

The Fuji 18mm f/1.4 is the only lens keeping me on Fuji now. Not a single mirrorless 28mm equivalent lens across all brands come close to the Fuji's optical performance.

Hi Matt. I totally agree with you 28 mm is neglected and it’s a shame. I used to like 24 and 35 but then I discovered the 28mm with a Leica Q and I do love it. It replaces easily a 35mm (you just have to crop a little) and easier to use than a 24. Then some rems for the panorama you give of the 28mm that we can find in the big brands : 1/ I don t remember to find the Sony 28mm f2 so bad… 2/ for m43 you a phage the Leica 15mm (not a big difference) which is quick short and very pleasant to use (with its rare aperture ring) , for Nikon you have the 28mmf1.8 afs compatible with Nikon reflex and z series through the ftz adapter. A very good lens that you can find for less than 300 € on second market usually in good shape as poorly used. 4/ I also tried the 18mm Fuji but I found it a little noisy. So it s not so rare, more versatile than a 35mm (you can just do more) and it’s probably not an error if Ricoh and Leica chose it for they non interchangeable hybrid.

GM 28mm f1.0 This is definitely going to be THE big splashing milestone for making Sony becoming the new unique legend in professional photo gear.

Laowa just released a 28mm f1.2

The answer is high-resolution sensors and Editing software. A wider lense is better, and modern sensors don't lose detail. So everything 'can be fixed in post". Either that or the answer is those darn smartphones and digital zoom.

28mm is the common focal length for most cell phones. There is some mfgs that do not even off a 28mm on a interchangeable camera. Someone can argue from a cell perspective it’s the most used and most ignored length.

@mattisulanto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I think many high end phones now use even wider lens on their main camera, but you are right that a 28m has been common on phone cameras.

I fully fully agree on the 28 mm lens - I have the sum 28 on the leica m240 the 18 mm on fuji which also 28 equivalent and do 90 % of photos with the 28 mm - honestly I could sell all the rest I have because almost never used

@mattisulanto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing.

28mm is the most versatile focal length being the widest and still people/face friendly focal length. You are right, it should not be neglected.

For candid street photography , I am using 35mm when the places are not so crowded. If crowded, I am using 28mm. From my experience, if you want to shoot the full body using 35mm focal length, the distance is around 3-3.5m. In order to maintain the similar size of the subject when using 28mm, you need to move closer to the subject. The distance is around 2-2.5m. Of course, you can shoot at 3m or further but the targeted subject maybe blocked by other subjects. If you are using mirrorless camera (even the Sony A7C) + a small prime lens, the subject may aware you are taking their photo because it is too close to the subject. (Not only the size of the camera, the shutter sound also draw the attention.) People may not want to be photographed. Also not all photographers want to get too close to the subject. As a result, 35mm / 40mm / 50mm are more welcome by majority. P.S. I am using Leica M + 28mm / 35mm / 50mm for street photography. For other genres, I am using Sony with fast prime and zoom lenses.

Matti - I don't know what the heck you're talking about. As you said, Leica Q is only 28. Ricoh is 28. Canon makes one. Nikon makes one. Sony makes one. Viltrox makes one. Sigma makes a 1.4 for Sony. Leica makes one. 28 is the new 35. Probably the 35 has more options due to its use on APS-C. 28 is the new 35 I think. 24 is the new 28. Expect more in the future.

I don't like the 28mm FOV either. Mostly. I think it is partly something to do with how we compose images. With SLRs and cameras with an EVF, we tend to be less mobile in our bodies position. Holding the camera in both hands and with our face pressed to the camera's back, our movements are restricted somewhat and therefore our composition is also compromised. With 35mm or narrower you can get away with this, but with 28mm or wider this can make shots look a bit bland. A few years ago I got a Fujifilm XF10 with an 18mm (28mm equiv.) as a quality pocket camera, not liking phones for photography. Having to use the rear screen for composition frees one up considerably and I love the images I can get from the little Fuji, much like you and your GRIII. I often take the XF10 out with me along with another camera with a standard or short telephoto lens instead of carrying a wide angle lens. It frees me up no end. No need for annoying lens changes. Actually I think Ricoh has missed a trick. Back in the depths of time when we shot film, they released a GR camera with a 21mm lens I believe. Now would not that be cool to have a digital equivalent!? But I digress. I have a number of 28mm lenses which I love on my APSC Pentax bodies for the normal FOV they give, but I never use them on my K1, and either use a 35mm, 24mm or even 20mm when I want a wide shot. But then at the wider focal lengths I usually have the camera on a tripod low to the ground.

@mattisulanto

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Thanks for sharing your take on this.

In the ZUIKO lens of the film era, up to 28mm was a "wide-angle lens" and 24mm or less was a "ultra-wide-angle lens". Has it changed in the digital age? I don't know why it happened either.

@mattisulanto

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It has changed. Probably because now we have many more super wides available and phone cameras all have some sort of a super wide too.

@FukuroOFU

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@@mattisulanto Certainly, the effect of the ultra-wide angle of the mobile phone camera is huge.

your premise was answered by you in the first minute of the video. manufacturers are in it to make money. 28 is not a popular lens for most people. most people don't know how to shoot slightly wide. Ive been shoot with 28 f2 sony since day one. I don't shoot it too often but when I do its SUPER FAST FOCUSING. relatively compact. Its not the sharpest lens in the world wide open it gets the job done pretty well. Yes it has some barrel distortion too but all these things make very little difference when it come to the final result.

@mattisulanto

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But why is it not popular? That's what I'd like to know. Why is a 28mm the least popular prime?

@zhorik1981

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@@mattisulanto why make the perfect lens. 😉

Fujifilm has the XF 18mm 1.4WR lens (28efl) it is 28mm :)

@professionalpotato4764

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The best in the market now

@PanAmStyle

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@@professionalpotato4764It’s a very good lens. I had one with my first XPro. When I traded the XPro for an X100 I sold the 18 on to a friend. Now I’m back to XPro and wish I had the 18.

Glad you praise the angle of field of the 28mm. Perhaps now I will use my Nikon f1.4 28mm AF D more…in nighttime street photography. :-)

I have that Nikon Z mount lens and use it with my Z5. It’s a great little lens. I didn’t think I’d like it too much, but it actually gets more use than my 50mm 1.8

That is why I love Nikon with two cheap and small primes z40 and z28 mm

Tłumaczenie I agree 100%, 28 mm is my favorite focal length for everyday use. I remember being happy about the Sigma 28mm, f 1.4, but the size and weight are not for me. There is also Voigtländer Ultron 28mm 2.0, but auto focus makes life easier ;) Recently I saw the Viltrox AF 28mm F1.8 and after working with the wide Viltrox AF 16 mm f/1.8, which I have been using for some time, I think that this 28 may be interesting.

They sell the 28mmf2 Sony lens, it’s an old lens but I’m sure it’s still good.