What is The Pleasure Trap vs.The Ego Trap? | Interview with Dr. Doug Lisle
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Each month Dr. Doug Lisle does a private session for the members of the Ultimate Weight Loss Mastery Program and he has generously allowed me to release this private video. He answers participant questions such as what is the best way to lose the last 10 vanity pounds, is a raw food diet superior for health, should we have cosmetic surgery, why women are more concerned about their appearance than men, what is the perfect personality to persuade others and even why he is single. :)
He also explains why it's so hard to lose weight, the real truth about weight loss and the only solution. He then dives deep into the 2 most destructive and opposing forces that can derail us, the pleasure trap and the ego trap, and addresses if permanent abstinence is required.
Dr Lisle is the co-author of The Pleasure Trap, the psychologist at both the TrueNorth Health Center and The McDougall live in program and the star of the Beat Your Genes podcast. You can book a private consultation with Dr. Lisle at www.EsteemDynamics.com.
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I'm shedding tears of gratitude. "Seek excellence, not perfection." Thank you Dr. Lisle!
I was so bummed out and ashamed before I watched this. On and off WFPB for five years now. Thank you Dr. Lisle for validating how HARD this is! So glad I watched.
Hyper-conscientious nutcases unite 🤗
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
I'm Chef Aj a HCNC, nice to meet you! :)
@rithvikkiran
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah!!
I've heard people speaking of the pleasure trap-----finally now understand it. Ego Trap??? wow--I totally get that now too. Excellent information. Thank you so much Chef AJ & Dr Lisle for truly helping us avoid big trouble. by understanding the ego trap.
Dopamine release from hearing Dr. Lisle talk about how we are designed to eat and that he has compassion for those trying to climb a mountain with a broken ankle.
one of the best talks from Dr. Lisle, thank you Chef AJ
Dr Lisle and Chef AJ are so calming. It’s better than booze.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Now that's a compliment!
Thank you for the gift of this upload! Respectfully as a former Starch Solution follower, turned low fat raw plant based, I have found the difference to my health, weight and vitality on raw food to be incomparable to when on cooked. Cooked WFPB works for the vast majority, but please dont dismiss raw as for some of us it is a lifeline. WFPB carried me a certain way on health recovery, but to really improve I needed to go raw. I eat lowfat and the diet is based on fruit, leafy greens, less sweet fruit (ie salad veg) and other veg. Limited/minimal nuts seeds and certainly no SOFAS. I consider myself to belong to the plant based community, albeit within a niche. Healthy, peaceful and happy new year everyone!
Yeah I don't want a session with Dr. Lisle because I'd rather go on a date with him. Yep Hollaaaa :)
Listening for the 2nd time back to back. Dr Lisle never fails to amaze me. Thanks AJ👌
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Me too!
One of the best talks from Dr Lisle. Incredibly helpful. Thank you Dr Lisle and Chef Aj.
💕💕💕 The Dynamic Duo strikes again! Very best wishes for an awesome 2019 to you both and your Tribes🥳🥳
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing information so candidly with us. After listening to you both for a long time, I feel as if I know you. I find you are good company and am never lonely being alone. My "friends" are always available, just a computer click away and I don't even have to comb my hair or whatever. Further, you always talk about things with which I agree. Happy New Year to you and everyone else listening here.
@MrDcc1234
5 жыл бұрын
Me too! Come on over to the beat your genes Facebook group for more....
Thank you so much. I was speaking an hour ago to someone how I couldn't understand why I keep having little cheats when I know better. Couldn't have heard this at a better time. Knowing that I'm nuts is OK also, I can live with that lol.
Thank you so much Dr Lisle and AJ!
Thank you, Chef AJ, for bringing me this insightful interview with Dr. Doug Lisle. I am on my third listening and will need to listen more. He was helping me view my life story and explaining things that have taken more than 40 years for me to understand. More, more about the internal audience and the real life audience, please. My internal audience includes Elenor Roosevelt, Dr. T. K. (one of my profs in the '70s and 80s), Dr. Carl Sagan, and a few more. I'm not weird! They guide me and speak to me (sorta). So, thank you.
This WHOLE interview was KILLER AWESOME! My mind, body, and SOUL feel so blessed and richer for knowing both of you. You add so much LIGHT to my world! Infinite love and gratitude
@CHEFAJ
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
Such RICH content! Chef AJ and Dr Lisle, I hope you can feel the beautiful impact you make in each of our lives. With deep respect, love and gratitude
Love it! Thank you!! Learned some new things.
Wow! Dr Lisle is so great at explaining our problems. I learned so much. And Chef AJ, you are the best interviewer and give the best eating advice. Happy 2019 to both of you. I am new to this way of life and have been watching and learning everything I can. Have decided the UWL program is the way for me. I will keep striving to get to the A-
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Terrific and Happy New Year!
So beautiful, he explains everything so perfectly!!! I really love Dr. Lisle and started listening to his BYG podcast every single day. Thank you for another spectacular interview Chef AJ! ❤️
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Such a great video. I especially liked the part where he speaks about self sabotaging ourselves from the inside at 1:02.
Thanks for posting Chef AJ! Awesome interview as usual. Happy New Year!
Absolutely fascinating. Dr Lisle is so brilliant and interesting. I am learning so much. I understood the pleasure principle but did not know about the ego trap. I have repeatedly been sabotaged by that. Despite the odds...having this knowledge and working on this is going to get me over the one yard line. Must get the book. Thank you so much. Seeking excellence and non-catastrophizing are going to be extremely helpful to me moving forward.
So many gems in this!! Wow
Thank you for sharing this video. Great information as always!!!
I really loved this! Thank you 😊
This is perfect!! Thank you. Such wise words and information. Thank you again.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
:)
Dr lisle can be talking about the same subject and I learn something new every time! I learned last year my perfectionist mind had me self sabotaging when I didn’t meet my expectations. Once I decided to be ok with not being perfect every time I swear my stress level went in half. People also asked me what I’ve been doing because I looked great. Stressing about everything little thing is not healthy either.
I loved the talk again. Somehow dr. Lisle is never out of new insights. How is that possible.
Wow! Great advice that I needed to hear. Thank you once again, Chef!
Good questions and good answers. Thank you both.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
:)
As a psych major, I really enjoyed Dr. Lisle's explanation of how we're wired to eat the most calorie dense food available. It makes so much sense. I have to literally go against my instincts. I just discovered your kind of group (McDougal, AJ, etc). I'm hoping the Starch Solution will be the real deal this time. I thought the body builder diet was the right one. It made sense. Eat meat for protein and eat a not crap diet and work out a lot. I did that for a few months but it took so long to lose any weight and I honestly didn't feel that much better. I was proud of the progress I made on the treadmill but that's about it. It was a LOT of hassle to track macros and trying to make sure I eat enough protein was ridiculous. I love pasta and corn and potatoes and was always told those things were bad for me. It's so hard to get over that. I brought up my new diet to my friends and both of them vehemently rejected my idea, which was expected. I was hoping one of them might try it with me but she refused so I'll be doing it alone. I think Jeff explains it very well: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qY2gxNyufLnYZbA.html It's a scale. It's not you're always 100% perfect or you fail. Strive for the best you can and if you end up eating a burger or a steak once, then fine. Get back to your plan with the next meal. It's fine. But you can't be having that kind of meal all the time and that's where your social life makes a difference. Friends, family, and co-workers will likely hold you back or at worst, sabotage you. I know my friends and family are well-meaning but my co-workers would try to sabotage me at every turn.
Thanks so much this had given me alot of healing in brain for my future I need to stew on these truths!!
Wow! Amazing stuff! I have a lot to think about, the perfectionist thing looms large for me.
Chef Aj Happy new year thank you for all you do I am now 145 and 38 years old I never been so healthy and slim going plant based and lifting weights. For the first time ever I am wearing 29 waist jeans
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
That's amazing!
I love him 😍 he is so cool, calm and e plains as if he is taking to a dear friend 👍😋 Tks Chef A J for uploading this video and asking interesting questions ! 🙏😋
Absolutely love this guy !
Awesome conversation
Happy New Year AJ!
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks and same to you!
33:50 don't catastrophize. ; 35:11 don't activate the pleasure sensors simultaneously; 36:20 why we diverge from path of success?......PT vs 2ndary motivational for humans...fear of embarrassment if we underperform,,,,EGO TRAP
That was terrific.
As entertaining and informative as always!!
Best wishes for 2019, AJ!
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks and same to you
Yaaayyyy!! I love these videos!
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Me too! Thanks.
LOL im a bioengineering student and my studies are also a way for me to channel my HCNC tendencies, but whenever i post about this lifestyle on my social media people my age are totally interested! especially whenever I post about the pleasure trap. Dr lisle and chef AJ are so cool!! The discussions on protecting self esteem are so fascinating to me. I read the pleasure trap when I was 16 and it is something I ponder all the time, to this day. I would love to know what Dr lisle thinks about the new “intuitive eating” of all foods including rich foods. In my opinion it is counter productive to the pursuit of long term health.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
That is great! They must be open to new information.
@MrDcc1234
5 жыл бұрын
Intuitive eating would prob work fine in a natural environment. But our intuition is commonly hijacked by super normal stimuli of fast food, etc.
KA BOOM! mind blown... again! Everytime I listen to him I get a little piece of a puzzle
Yes it is liberating!
That first question and answer hit home; fit, thin girl wanting to lose 10 lbs. wow thanks
Dear AJ, you talked about wanting to do plastic surgery (and Dr. Lisle rightfully warned against it) and I feel the need to talk about this with you or anyone else who's considering it. The thing is, plastic surgery is a very poor deal. It doesn't do much good, and doesn't actually make people look younger (or feel better). If you want real greatness (like I would expect from you because you have a great taste for quality by choosing dr. Lisle :)) there are actually great workable solutions to restore the body's tensegrity (look up this term). Looking, feeling and appearing young is all about the right balance in your body. Your main focus would be to rebuild the correct posture (and straighten the back), firstly. This is step one for youthful looks (and feels) at all times. Posture is number one. Different approaches can be used for this, all focused on the myofascial and connective tissue release. Rolfing, osteopathy and critical alignment yoga are the approaches you might want to consider. A lot you can do yourself at home. After rebuilding the posture, you can start working on the face. Be ware of "face building" approach as this makes things only worse. What you need is, again, osteopathic approach of releasing tensions. I have been working with the special techniques on myself for a couple of months now and I love what it does. I thought I would share this with you because I really don't want you to go down the road of plastic surgery and I wanted to let you know there are ways to restore the beauty the natural way! If you need more information, feel free to contact me, I can share with you what I know. And if this word of advice is unwanted, by any means, feel free to ignore! Just wanted to share this awesomeness I enjoy so much for myself.
Happy New Year 🥳
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
To you too!
i like your stuff !!! 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
Wow! Did this help me Im a perfectionist that beats himself up regularly.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
How is that been working for you?
@kencarey3477
5 жыл бұрын
@@abbiejaye7019 welllll it does keep me on track. But it isn't much fun. Sounds like there's a better way.
@CHEFAJ
5 жыл бұрын
Ken Carey tell me when you discover it
@kencarey3477
5 жыл бұрын
When dr lisle spoke of not having to be perfect to be successful and how most people won't take it to that extreme level. Such as dr goldhamer does.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
while that is true for most health outcomes, it is generally not true for most overweight women to achieve a very slender body that they say they desire.
Just saw your speech "From fat vegan to skinny bitch"... How moving, but almost as interestin as your words was to see how people in the audience reacted... It seemed to me that quite some "addicts" were not too pleased to hear your message. Thank you for everything you are doing!
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟Love you guys. I always learn something new. Thanks for all you do. Keep moving and keep smiling. 😎👍
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
Did you know that Dr. Lisle is teaching a 6 week course on The Pleasure Trap? He will be doing LIVE video lectures and Q & A every week starting on Monday, April 22. You can find out more here: click.thrivecart.com/escape-the-pleasure-trap/?fbclid=IwAR3UcPUgPg0tW69yMnXduN4QpqI-EUcJx9kbSYcgeNHJz9n6b5RaY1Wew9o
Wow
31:45 Compassion
ego thing can be stimulating too - you declare yourself something you are not and get frustrated by public expectation and start doing stuff in order not to expose yourself and fell ashamed :) Fake it until you make it I guess it is called
Dr. Lisle says that men provision women, but considering that, in most hunter gather communities, women are provisioning the majority of dietary calories, is not that statement inaccurate? Thanks
@sonja4164
5 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, but I think he would probably say that the men put their lives on the line to provide (hunting).
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Great comment and you should ask him on his live show as I do not know the answer.
@mayap6055
5 жыл бұрын
he may be referring to agrarian and or herding societies which started about 10 thousand years ago, when humans started accumulating wealth. He could also be talking about males protecting women and children from predators.
@MrDcc1234
5 жыл бұрын
By provisioning, he means taking care of a wife and kids. This is common in pair bond species such as humans. Only 3% of all species are pair bond, and these species necessarily help provision their mate and offspring. Just listen to his podcast, beat your genes if u need further clarification, as I am no expert!
@lucam2942
5 жыл бұрын
Michael L. Winick Thanks. I do listen to his podcast. I understand that men in hunter-gathering communities undoubtedly provide protection, build structures, make tools, hunt, barter etc.. But if mens spoils are distributed amongst the tribe, beyond protection, educating his young, how are men provisioning for his wife and children? Certainly, amongst the inuit, where there diet is animal based, Men definitely are provisioning their family, but amongst equatorial tribes, where the major calorie source is tubers, gathered by women, there provisioning role would seem less significant. I've just ordered a book to get more clarification on hunter-gathering communities.
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39:30 tennis player who would not risk his status, whereas at 60 he regretted his ducking the challenge. EGO TRAP
Mmm choclate chilli salted caramel popcorn ice cream
I wondered why Dr. Lisle was single myself! I love his talks, but its sort of easy to see how his language could come across as a bit sexist to someone who isn't familiar with evolutionary psychology. I wonder if he takes care to choose his words wisely when he's on a date!
Those nut cases can be really awful to people too. Why does the whole food plant based community have to be so mean to people? At least that is what I have found.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry you had the experience. I've been vegan for over 41 years and have been met only with love
@fluffysuds
5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is amazing AJ. I've only been vegan for 7 years but haven't had meat in almost 20.
Hey AJ, here is a question for Lisle. What happens if you are doing the best job you can, and it's an A job, not A+, and you are low weight, in fact if you manage A+ for long enough you even get under weight, despite eating ad libitum whole plant foods - but you still have a problem with bloating, any small deviation from A+ makes it worse, but the problem is still huge (no pun intended) even when doing A+. When you do A+, people are telling you that you're underweight, that's unhealthy, that you're too extreme, you're orthorexic, they tell you these pleasure trap foods are actually healthy - so you give up on A+ for a while and go back to A, and as usual the bloating gets worse... and it takes a long time doing A+ to get it back down... But even when you do, the same claims will make you doubt whether you should do A+ even though your personal experience says this is what it takes and even that is not enough... and the fact it's not enough will also contribute to you slipping back to A, because you're still bloated at A+, it's just doing A+ is the only thing you found that helps. And people tell you, you must be making this stuff up even though you measured it many times. So how do you deal with this situation? Personally, I am just trying to do the best I can, not beat myself up when I go off plan, and open to trying new things people suggest but drawing the line at anything that isn't vegan sos free... but it's really frustrating because I don't know who or what to believe since I am not getting the results even when I do really really well and that is highly demotivating for me to keep up A+ long term but doing any less doesn't feel good either because the difference between A- or even A and A+ is huge, at least as far as looks and confidence goes if not also my physical health. So far the solutions proposed to me to deal with my bloating have been ineffective. The only thing that seems to help is to do an A+ job constantly, but it is really hard to do. It's not just the pleasure trap. It's not just the ego trap. It's that even when I am doing an A+ job for a long period of time, I get no external esteem for it, only criticism, and while I do manage to solve half the issue (pre-meal bloat) I still have post-meal bloat and also solving pre-meal bloat gets me underweight so I wonder if I am wrong to let that happen - so I don't even get to sit back and enjoy self esteem from that. So maybe you can add the bloating trap. :P
LOL...heroin.... I thought that when Chef AJ wanted to lose her last X number of pounds, Dr Lisle recommended more Starch..... Right?
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
I was afraid of starch until I met him. Now it's the basis of my diet.
I would like to request shorter videos my attention span is not that great. I have insomnia and usually I will be able to listen to roughly a 5-10 minute video. thanks for your attention to this matter and I am sorry I couldn't sit still long enough to listen to this entire video. I just got the first question and answer in.
@abbiejaye7019
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry it's not possible. All interviews are one hour.
@donnahawley5524
5 жыл бұрын
You can pause and restart it later. This is one of his best videos. I hope you will come back and listen to some more.
@sonja4164
5 жыл бұрын
Just listen in short segments. Problem solved.
@wellnessgirl2806
5 жыл бұрын
I love these long sessions, but I mostly break the listening into manageable chunks
Well. His solutions for ego trap is clearly Gaslighting
Thanks so much this had given me alot of healing in brain for my future I need to stew on these truths!!