What do you think of FOX Sports’ NASCAR coverage?

@dillonsmith4063

2 жыл бұрын

Too many commericals

@siteofalexa

2 жыл бұрын

The camera angles

@KellieLeigh48

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't terrible. Tony and Clint had great chemistry in the booth and Mike is just great Mike. The camera work wasn't great but the booth work was solid

@crouchb15

2 жыл бұрын

Dollar store quality

@brockstar1461

2 жыл бұрын

the number of commercials is really insane at this point.

I think the massive improvements NBC has made on production quality really exemplifies the issues with Fox’s coverage. What Fox lacks in production, NBC lacks in the booth

@bmgill85

2 жыл бұрын

Not a huge fan of Rick Allen but, LeTarte, Burton and Jr. kinda drown him out mostly🤷‍♂️

@the_toeknee

2 жыл бұрын

Obligatory Allen Bestwick or we riot comment.

@griffinconaway732

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmgill85 idk you could have anyone in the booth with rick allen and it would still suck

@stephenholloway6893

2 жыл бұрын

At least with NBC their coverage is more consistent in this era then Fox has been in this portion.

@TheOwl22

2 жыл бұрын

just listen to the radio broadcasts with the TV muted.

Idk why but NASCAR On Fox loves to broadcast the full caution period and go straight to commercial break during green flag racing.

Mike Joy and Larry Mac are the two that are absolutely carrying the FOX broadcasts… FOX would be a disaster if it wasn’t for them

@P8nda

2 жыл бұрын

Its a miracle Mike and Mac hasn't missed a few races for back surgery at this point

@JoshJackson13

2 жыл бұрын

If they won't in the booth I would have just watched the highlights like every thing else. Stage 2 was pitiful without them

@spacemanmonster23

2 жыл бұрын

Joy Yes, Larry-Mac..... It Depends...

@baymoto553

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm tired of Clint Bowyer already.

@guidorrmc7618

2 жыл бұрын

Mike Joy is terrible

The biggest problem I had with the broadcast was they COMPLETELY MISSED Harrison Burton's flip. They were so concerned with the car spinning down toward the inside retaining wall, they didn't even see or acknowledge that car going over or if there even was a big wreck. It reminded so much of the ESPN "Kurt's getting the worst of it!" blunder where they are so concerned with Kurt Busch they miss Elliott Sadler's hard impact. Just terrible camera work. There were just times where they just missed the action and I was like "I didn't even see that!" or "Where did that come from?" They just weren't on their game, this is the Daytona 500! You have to have the kinks worked out.

@JoshJackson13

2 жыл бұрын

Cutem some slack it was the first race they only have small window of delay from being live

@andrewn5151

2 жыл бұрын

Ya I've noticed this with both NBC and Fox, especially fox over the last few years. It seems that the producers are so worried about trying to get the shot they want, that they miss all the action. Just like you said you'll see a wreck or car spinning at the top of the screen and no mention of it till the yellow flag comes out or when they come back from commercial or a lap later.

@andrewn5151

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshJackson13 that's the thing though, they have been missing stuff for years, not just this years daytona 500.

@EpicDman321

2 жыл бұрын

If you saw the race live the speedways camera didn’t catch it either….. maybe they used the same camera crew but I don’t think this one’s on fox, just a bad time to focus in on a car…. I didn’t know he flipped until they replayed three different angles, Mike Joy will always be the goat of nascar broadcast though I’ve watched nascar all through my childhood it’s gonna suck when he retires. Truly won’t be the same

@andrewn5151

2 жыл бұрын

@@EpicDman321 yes usually they use the same cameras but I think they can pick different cameras that are different from what tv is showing

Steve Byrnes was the GOAT on Fox. I miss his humor, and dedication

Man do I REALLY miss the Speed Channel 😪

@packisbetter90

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone does

@oldermusiclover

2 жыл бұрын

me 2

@markbarnaart2381

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@malcolmclayton6651

2 жыл бұрын

You can say that again , Well said !!!!!

@jimdordan1794

2 жыл бұрын

yes i do mostly for imsa racing and sports car racing and racing shows.

NASCAR on FOX went downhill since Steve Byrnes passed

@Jared40

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 💯

@packisbetter90

2 жыл бұрын

Their pit reporters were the best too. Sad what it is now. Byrnes, Yocum, Bergeron, and Zelasko were great

@larsongame4120

2 жыл бұрын

Race Hub did

@Jose-Gomez

2 жыл бұрын

@@larsongame4120 Well, At Least They Made A Special Tribute Episode, Dedicated For Him.

I thought the booth last Sunday was the best part of the coverage, tony and Clint worked very well together and mike joy was good as always. It was everything else that lacked severely and made it tough to watch

@TheChad138

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I came here to say!

@JoshJackson13

2 жыл бұрын

Love hearing the Mac and Clint mike those 3 are key especially Mac it was also cool seeing tony being I'm a die hard harvick fan

@tylerworks11

2 жыл бұрын

I'll never get over not hearing boogity boogity boogity let's go racing boys

@ViperLemondemon

2 жыл бұрын

But the amount of commercials made it seem like it was on nbc

@stephenholloway6893

2 жыл бұрын

The booth was great, but the rest of the coverage wasn't that good especially with the commercials while I get why they're needed, it's too much at times. Do the split screen more then full commercials.

I forgot to mention that FOX Sports in general when it comes to racing is crap. They’ve been showing their lack of care-ness of racing and they cared more about stick and ball sports. It’s so bad that IMSA, Supercross, Monster Jam, and literally a bunch of racing series either went to NBC or elsewhere. It’s that bad. SPEED died for NOTHING

@crouchb15

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewwilson1811 motor trend now

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

@@crouchb15 Yep I agree.

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

Most went to NBC Sports Channel that is going to be a cut channel after 2022 or 2023 I forget the date. That is the channel that bought out the rights to the Speed channel broadcast network. USA is going to pick up the slack of the sports and motorsports so that they have to spend less time airing old Law & Order or the Law & Order Special Victims Unit from NBC or playing less of the crap faux reality they have on USA network.

@TheLocalLt

Жыл бұрын

Speed died literally because of this shift in focus. NBC immediately started signed Speed properties, adding to the IndyCar package they inherited, beginning with ARCA and later including NASCAR and many other series.

While Fox's production quality has completely tanked and failed to evolve. Mike Joy and Larry Mac in my eyes still make a better booth than NBC has ever had.

To the people who argue that FOX’s coverage of the 2022 Daytona 500 was great, just compare it to NBC’s coverage of the 2021 Indianapolis 500. NBC’s coverage there makes FOX’s coverage look pathetic.

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

Both are bad, we need to do is have these sports on a race only channel, Oh wait that one on Cable failed.

@rudyk5518

2 жыл бұрын

@@caseysmith544 I’ve noticed that many FOX enthusiasts will always throw shade off by saying “Both are bad” without much reason on why NBC is bad. Looking at NBC, they’re far much more into the racing than FOX is. NBC uses double screen replays/onboard cameras, making sure there’s still a screen on the racing, which is something FOX only does full screen. NBC uses graphics to emphasize the racing (just look at Talladega 2021 with the 6 screen onboard with the big full race screen), while FOX hasn’t come near that. The one big flaw NBC has is missing action in the back of the field, which FOX has gotten down. FOX has had a fun role in NASCAR coverage, but their production has been just hard to tolerate and hasn’t improved much in the past years. NBC just makes me feel like I’m into the race (excluding their IMSA coverage) far more than FOX has in recent years.

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

@@rudyk5518 agree but reasons why NBC is missing in some coverage is that they have had a poor team covering until more recently. Also NBC and Peacock have live streaming of the sports/ sometimes after the fact too is why they will have better coverage of NACAR going forward.

@johnmurphy1774

2 жыл бұрын

amen

@KBowWow75

2 жыл бұрын

Well Leigh Diffey is a broadcast legend in his own. He always "brings the action" as the lead announcer. He did great in his cup races with NBC. His first race in cup was one of the summer races in Michigan. I think it was Larson's first or second cup win there. Everyone was raving how he was announcing with energy and passion. I think the best trio in open wheel was Diffey, Steve Matchett, and David Hobbs. Comparison to Larry, Mike, and DW in the 2000s.

If you watch an F1 race, it’s very professional, very serious in tone and the graphics packages are lightyears ahead. Commercials are very limited too. NASCAR is becoming political, goofy and trying to be too broad. Keep nascar tailored to motorsports fans. Give them access to commercial-free broadcasts. I do believe how the sport has been displayed on television has lowered interest. Every time I take someone to a race who has never seen one LOVES it. They won’t watch it on TV though.

@garlandalmarode6396

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, the way the present it on TV hurts nascar. They need to focus on the race and giving insight to what's going on.

@rdaws73

2 жыл бұрын

NASCAR is too woke. Trying way too hard to be mainstream and appeal to zoomers. Doesn't take itself seriously any more. NASCAR has been "dead" for awhile.

@wanee8039

2 жыл бұрын

@@rdaws73 Yup that Bubba noose nonsense. Did nothing but appease the WOKE CULTURE. Sure I still at least record the races. But end up just fast forwarding the Race looking for the crashing Nowadays. F1 and many other races are much more enjoyable. And this Gen 2 car is Hilarious just getting a flat tire and your pretty much out of the race because 90% of the time they can't move on there own. Sure they are probably gonna get a lot of viewers for now just because of the Radical change of the car's. Nothing fun about having to be towed back to your pit for flat tires

@Myamericanlife61

2 жыл бұрын

I am starting to prefer the dirt races on Flo Sports and Dirt Vision that’s what you get with them is racing and look where NASCAR has put a lot of races this year is Flo Sports I think it’s how NASCAR wanted it a long time ago pay per view sorry folks but I think that’s where we are heading

My gripe with this past weekend's coverage comes from how disconnected it seemed to be from the actual race. The commentary didn't seem to line up with the camera work. Over the past few years it seems as if the broadcast has also declined in their pit road coverage in particular. It seems we never know why teams are off the pace, behind the wall, or trying strategy. If Nascar/Fox/NBC wants to attract more sponsors, they need to give more TV time for the backmarkers, even if it's only to interview the driver after a crash/part failure.

@garlandalmarode6396

2 жыл бұрын

Agree the guys in the back should get some time and they don't cover the pits well. I ve been watching races where my driver was up front and for whatever reason has gone to the back and there isn't even a word to tell the audience what happened. He's one of the biggest names in the sport right now. Just bad coverage.

Stewart was solid in his first race and Bowyer gives great insight but he goes off the rails a little too much but being that Tony used to be his boss, I think he will mellow out a bit. Mike Joy can't ever leave, he's the Godfather of Nascar right now

@drstupid4366

2 жыл бұрын

Bowyer is an idiot . He will make 1 statement and then the rest of the race he begins every statement almost the exact same way : " Like I was saying " ........" Like we were talking about " ..........Bowyer is a not good at all as a race analyst. Possibly the worse ever . If Bowyer could help Joy call a race they wouldn't need Danica Patrick , Matt Kenseth , Tony Stewart to help call races.

It’s a shame that the NASCAR on FOX we grew up with is just crap. I feel like they’ve been slowly becoming crappier and crappier since NASCAR was on the FOX Sports channel in 2015. NASCAR on FOX was so creative back then. Now it’s just lame and you see creativity here and there. I feel like NASCAR broadcasting in general is crap. Yeah, the modern-reboot NASCAR on NBC is better than FOX, but they have issues too. There’s still way too many ads and the scheduling is dumb if the race is too long from red flags. So, tbh. NASCAR broadcasting is not as good as it used to be, especially for FOX Sports

The introduction of the Grand Marshals at the Clash says all you need to know about Fox. They didn't even care enough to have a person up there telling them when to go.

The biggest thing that I notice when watching old races compared to new races is that back in the day, fox would talk to us as educated viewers. They would talk about the handling of the cars, the exact adjustments being made, and the strategy crew chiefs were employing throughout the race. they would cover the whole field, big names or small names. They cared about the fans of every driver, not just a select few, and they cared that those fans knew what their driver's team was doing to the car.

@sbmcvp4525

2 жыл бұрын

You nailed it. As it got worse, I quit watching. I just watch old stuff on KZread and re-live the excitement of yesteryear.

@smello76

2 жыл бұрын

Come to think of it, you are exactly right

@kramnull8962

2 жыл бұрын

Well you know Ned Jarrett did that his entire stint on the radio. He questioned rule changes and even bias for manufacturers given by NASCAR. They were certainly glad he retired from that format, and started working full time for them....

Kicking Larry out of the booth is where I think things started going downward. He was a good balance for DW. Now that Boyer is in there they need someone really calm and methodical to balance him. I’d love to see them try with Larry Mc again, assuming he’d be willing to travel to the races again. Thinking down the road I’d like to see Harvick in the booth. He seems to do well in his Xfinity stints.

@GuntherBovine

2 жыл бұрын

1000%. larry was the middle man between dw and mike, as he offered both the professionalism of mike as well as the insanity of dw. he knew when to do either one, and him leaving left a major hole that gordon was terrible at filling

@MichaeIGames

2 жыл бұрын

Someone like a Carl Edwards would work well with Clint Bowyer, he needs a calm well spoken boothmate

@TheOwl22

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuntherBovine Larry was also with TNT for a while up until 2014

@evanwilliams6406

2 жыл бұрын

They need a crew chief on there. There's too many drivers, they need a crew chief in the booth. I wish they would put Larry back in there. I don't like rules analysts, Larry did that already when he was in the booth.

I agree with what you said about Mike Joy - He's really been carrying the Fox broadcasts for the last few years.

I'd say their biggest problem right now is the tone. It is WAY too goofy. Nothing feels like it's a big deal. NBC makes everything feel important. Fox makes everything feel worthless. There's no dramatic tension or weight to the broadcast. This ultimately comes down to the directing and producers at Fox Sports, not the actual on air talent. I'll also say that the lack of track presence sucks. The green screen studio looks sterile and bland, and having less and less people at the track hurts a ton. The Hollywood Hotel was awesome for pre-race (plus the Speed booth outside the track) and they had 4 people covering pit road, so each reporter had 10 or 11 teams to worry about. Now they only have 2 reporters trying to juggle 20 teams each. It's too minimal. Their broadcasts feel like the bare minimum effort, and honestly, they are putting in the bare minimum effort

@CommanderCalico

7 ай бұрын

I really agree dude. The tone of NBC makes it feel like everything is serious. Fox makes it feel like a joke. Mike Joy is really carrying fox.

It breaks my heart how FOX is today, they have no attention to detail whatsoever and are more focused on being funny than the product itself. They ignore certain drivers and incidents and just react to what they see rather than narrate the race and give a storyline. As legendary as Mike Joy is, he's no longer energetic and lively and his voice is stale. They need a personnel revamp big time. On and off air.

As someone who works on the production crew at FOX, it’s been really insightful to read these comments. Appreciate the honest feedback everyone.

@sammorris7931

2 жыл бұрын

Y'all were trash there's the honesty

@GrandpaShark

2 жыл бұрын

You need to show the time intervals on the leader board.

@afterfurtherreview

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhaas2523 The illustrations look has been a rebrand across the board for FOX. Every sport is switching over to that new look.

@swfan4195

2 жыл бұрын

@@afterfurtherreview there’s only one thing I wish you guys would do. That is make each race seem important, the coverage is way too casual. Seems like a Sunday drive rather than a sport most of the time

@afterfurtherreview

2 жыл бұрын

@@swfan4195 Which part of the coverage is the most casual in your opinion?

I've never been as enamored with Fox's coverage as many NASCAR fans seem to be. They've always been way too focused on stupid gimmicks. It was tolerable at first because they were kept to a minimum, and it was fresh and fun, but it didn't take them long to let it take over their broadcasts. The fact they were the best said a lot more about the other broadcasters than it did about Fox being great. But the coverage of the actual racing, the camera work and showing us what happened, was usually top-notch, so the weaknesses could be overlooked. Now that's started going downhill, they've lost their biggest strength. NBC has its own problems. They have way too many people on their broadcast, Steve Letarte dominates the booth, and NBC itself doesn't really seem to respect NASCAR. And there are way too many commercial breaks on both of them. Weren't the stage breaks supposed to cut down on green flag commercials? Boy, that was a total lie.

FOX Sports decline came when SPEED Channel left.

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between the Fox production crew and the broadcast team and tv personnel that we as fans see. The current graphics, camera angles, etc don't mix well with Nascar or modern sports broadcasting in general. Consequently, it brings down the performance of the rest of the broadcast.

Also, if anyone watched an SRX race last season, CBS killed it with their coverage. Was a breath of fresh air. NBC has been better as of recent than years past, but after watching those SRX races I dream of NASCAR going back to CBS. Only thing that makes me enjoy the FOX broadcast in a weekly basis is Mike Joy. No matter who you put beside him he works well, and he’s just the professional glue that holds them together. Without him I’d hate to see how bad things would be.

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

without him Jeff Burton would be actively trying to kill Tony Stuart for the things Jeff was not allowed to do when racing.

As an true outsider as an international fan: I prefer the late-season NBC's feed if I ever watch it live in a bar through Sky TV, but if I was to watch highlight online, it's Fox for me. I worry that NBC would block contents like they did for the Winter Olympics.

To think that FOX was good 21 years ago, and now it's only thought of as a broadcaster who sells way too much revenue.

man using the NASCAR on FOX starting grid music gave me nostalgia vibes!!!

I miss the good old days of MRN radio with the late Barney Hall, Eli Gold, Ned Jarrett and Dr.Jerry Punch. To show you how much more in tune MRN was Mike Joy was on MRN and talking about the wreck at Daytona in 1979 between Cale Yarborough and the Allison’s and Mike Joy said while Cale and Donnie were arguing Donnie’s younger brother pulled up to check on Donnie and Barney Hall said no Bobby is older than Donnie and Mike Joy said are you sure about that Barney and Barney said oh yeah I would stake my life on it I’ve known those boys ever since they started in NASCAR and Barney was right.

Starting last year, the running order that is on the far left of the screen shows the running order of the cars. Good idea except it gets stuck on showing the top 20 exclusively, only occasionally showing the cars running on the lower 20 running order. There are so many times that you have to wait many minutes to see the bottom 20 cars. This greatly discriminates from those who are under-funded, new to the sport or recuperating from a pit stop, either planned or for repair of crash damage. The guys on the bottom 20 list need to sell their program to potential sponsors but when they are never seen they can't sell a product nobody sees! I regularly root for some of the back markers as much as for my favorite contender. Please give the 'little guy' as much needed air time and exposure as the top 20 get. Just be fair!

I've always preferred the Fox coverage to whoever else had the 2nd half of the season but agree it needs a major tuneup. I still like it better than NBC because they don't cover the playoff so they don't have any incentive to talk about it every 5 seconds.

Fox started off really well in the beginning. They brought on some great talent in Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds, Matt Yocum, Jeff Hammond, Krista Voda, as well as Dick Berggren. They were at the top of their game. But then for some reason they decided to go in the complete opposite direction and bring on Michael Waltrip which was a disaster from the start. Add to that some people retiring from Fox and NBC being amazing, you could really see the cracks starting to show. Their coverage now is just god awful.

@bucky13

2 жыл бұрын

Michael Waltrip seems like such a nice dude.. But he's almost always top tier cringe material on live TV.

@garyscott5042

2 жыл бұрын

Bring back DICK BERGGREN

@sandrahunter5749

2 жыл бұрын

I love Michael Waltrip 💗 I'm Michael's biggest fan ❤️

They came back from commercial at one point in the race and went right back to commercial during a green flag run. That's the issue

This is a question I've had interest in asking and given Jaret brought the topic up it feels fitting. Is present day NASCAR on Fox as bad or worse than NASCAR on ESPN (07-14)?

@crystaljon

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, ESPN kinda went down this similar decline. At least FOX still seems to care about NASCAR years later, unlike ESPN who just stopped giving a shit in the last years.

@johndaniels4623

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely feels like they’re in the same vein of bad. I can partially forgive ESPN as they seemed to be starting from scratch considering all they wanted was a piece of this growing pie and then finding out that promise was never really going to come through. Point is, it is rough to watch nascar even with nothing but commercials but my heart still soars thinking about hearing Darrel, Larry, and Mike calling races. I somehow felt connected as if they were in my house to call the race. Whereas NBC, I feel like I have to put on a suit on just to watch it and as if I’ve gone out to the theater

@brianburkhardt771

2 жыл бұрын

Worse

I think the biggest issue with their broadcast is it feels like the director doesn't understand what fans want to see. There are too many zoom shots and bumper cams that don't provide a clear enough picture of all the action on track. I'm not against in car and bumper cams, but they need to serve a purpose. Would love more split screen layouts where you still see the race, but also see the up close action and intensity. I shouldn't feel like I need to ask a rear diffuser for consent every couple laps because that's literally all I can see on my 65" TV....

@GrandpaShark

2 жыл бұрын

100%

I think the problem is having drivers/ former drivers in the booth. Because guys like Clint bowyer and Jeff Gordon still have relationships with current drivers. And with that being said. They kind of bite their tongue on what they say. Which takes away from how they can really be

@tstuff1213

2 жыл бұрын

Dale Jr is in the booth on NBC and it works great

@j_badach_xvi6261

2 жыл бұрын

@@tstuff1213 fair pont

@Wisconsin222

2 жыл бұрын

DW it worked great that whole time. He never was too bias towards Mikey or Jr. So it’s that’s not the issue. I feel as though we should have limited commercials, I mean we live in a streaming world so utilize it NASCAR

I don't think the issues are in the booth, but behind the camera and in the truck. Director, Producer, Switcher (guy who changes cameras for TV), Camera Operators. It's time for a new direction, and a whole new behind the scenes team would help 1000%

The new graphics are a step in the right direction in at least one aspect of coverage. In my opinion 2017-2021 graphics were unbearably hard to read so the added color is a nice touch now.

@mrwest231

2 жыл бұрын

The new graphics are the only thing that was a positive to me.

Sometimes you just want to hear the engines more, nothing against the commentary

My ideal way to view a race is to mute the tv and sync it with the MRN broadcast on the radio

One of the reasons, why I loved the first stint of NASCAR on Fox. is when they aired the Busch Series at the time. They would use the same commentary team(and I think everyone else) for both series. Like how it is now with NBC(at least since 2015-2021).

It wasn't terrible. Tony and Clint had great chemistry in the booth and Mike is just great Mike. The camera work wasn't great but the booth work was solid

The booth is not the problem imho. It is the director and producers who are ruining the broadcast. In car shots while good action is being talked about. Not doing side by side for all commercials. Just bad.

I am for the most part pleased with how NBC presents the races. I want Nascar to be presented with the intensity that Indycar and F1 get. I thoroughly enjoy Mike Joy and I understand his job is solely to call what he sees. But I don't like the cartoon graphics and I don't like that Fox presents Nascar as just a nice Sunday fun at the track. Also I DO NOT want ESPN to get tv rights. I'd have to change my Sling plan and I do not want to see those Sports Center people to pretend to argue over a sport they clearly don't care about. Plus they are the like the CNN of sports. You get politics, you get politics, EVERYONE GETS POLITICS

Great points on the consistency in the booth. It all makes sense but had never really thought of that.

fox sports from argentina wich is the main fox sports channel for latinamerica (not incluying mexico) didn't broadcasted the daytona 500 and they will not broadcast this 2022 season because of law stuff and the walt disney bought thing

I miss Speed Channel. FSI put everything on there besides racing.

From 2001 to 2006 several races were on FX

One thing that was not noted is the fact that the FOX from those first 21 years is essentially gone with the selling of the studio portion of the company to Disney. While the side of the company that does the broadcasts is still there it essentially has gone through a corporate reorganization with new corporate leadership, new priorities, and new direction. Also how much did FOX cut during the pandemic and how much of it if any has been restored. There is a lot of bigger questions that need to be answered which will also tell the long term direction of the broadcast and whether FOX will be involved.

If IndyCar can have non-stop commercials the WHOLE time, then NASCAR can too

@benwalter4842

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

I was surprised to see they don't show pit stop times!!! They are making 9-10 second pit stops!!

What I also liked during the 2001-2007 years of NASCAR on FOX was their music, not just the theme, but the instrumental music they used going to and coming from breaks, it flowed in nicely in, where now, while they brought back the old theme, it is a bit overused. But also I miss the days of Chris Meyers bad (good) jokes, and Dick Berggren old quips. "Virginia one of the 13 original states and Dick Berggren one of the 13 original people!" And don't forget the Chris Meyers fan club section!

@polycube868

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha Dick Berggren ruled! I remember one joke they told was his favorite celebrity couple was Adam and Eve. He was good in the booth for TNN too

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I still maintain that NASCAR needs its own digital streaming platform like the WWE network. Still put races on tv, but qualifying, practice, specials, classic races, all that could be on the NASCAR Network for a monthly fee

@racermac1988

2 жыл бұрын

Fans will bitch about the price no matter what.

@bgbdcam

2 жыл бұрын

@@racermac1988 you're not wrong, but those same fans are going to bitch about tv coverage, or ticket prices, or whatever else they feel like bitching about that day.

Another amazing analysation of the broadcasts of NASCAR over the years. I love that these conversations are still being talked about

I love all that NBC is doing in ALL of motorsports...Fox is like "ehhh!" Apprently, they can't even get a third person to commit to do all of the races which is disapapointing! Looking forward to the second half of the season to watch NBC's version, even though Jr. sometimes talks too much!

Mike Joy is the GOAT of calling nascar races

It was awful, waaaaaay too many commercials....

I thought the coverage for the 500 was good this year 🤷‍♂️

Back then Fox woulf make Nascar interesting. They would go in depth and explain components of a race car while drivers would battle each other for postion. Their coverage now is very simple compared to their coverage from years ago.

I couldn’t hear the engines during the broadcast, then they did a crank it up and you still couldn’t hear it.

I've noticed this year already has been worse. Watching Daytona qualifying was terrible. They only showed the times for about 1 out of every 3 cars, spending most time doing pointless interviews on pit road. Also, the new graphics look like a video game, it doesn't look professional imo. Lastly, am I the only one who can't stand Mike Joy anymore? I mean, if you can make that argument about DW you can certainly make it about Joy. To me he's lost his touch, many times rambling on about nonsense or things that just aren't true. It's tough to watch at this point.

I could live with the goofiness and heaven forbid, even MW, if they fixed two major things... the oversaturation of commercials and the freaking horrible camera angles. My favorite camera angle this last weekend was when they were talking about how treacherous getting on pit road was and immediately cut to an onboard camera of the first car coming into the pits where we couldn't see everyone actually getting on pit road behind him. Whoever is directing that camera clown show is evidently on drugs or something.

@caseysmith544

2 жыл бұрын

Or they have a preprogramed switch as if nobody is in control but just a computer doing its rounds on the track.

FOX is a great TV, because They make big calls on the broadcasts and they are marked in history, but this 64th edition of the Daytona 500 sucked the broadcast, many commercials, more angles of the crashes that happened (for example Snider's hard crash and Big One 2), The images during the transmission fail and so much a drone that records the donuts that the pilots win the race. So much so that on Saturdays at the Nascar Xfinity Series on FS1, the Cup Series drivers call the race throughout the broadcast.

Thing is I don't overly complain about things I know Nascar can't control, TV coverage might be terrible but are stuck with it till the end of the 2024 season, and hopefully when a new deal is agreed it includes provisions that solve many of its current deficiencies.

@robertlynn4435

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope CBS is return to NASCAR replace FOX NASCAR for 2025 and CBS NASCAR will on 10 Race Daytona 500 and Coca-Cola 600 and CBSSN will on 6 Race

@jimb8601

2 жыл бұрын

Bring on a season long streaming package at a reasonable rate.

@chrisguardiano6143

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertlynn4435 as much I am with you in terms of bringing CBS back to NASCAR, it is unlikely to happen because CBS is so busy with the NFL, College Football & Basketball & the PGA Tour their primary sports. The PGA Tour in particular takes so much availability away for CBS to show races from February-June and putting races on CBSSN would not work because it is not considered a basic cable channel by many providers, meaning people have to pay extra to access it. What will likely happen in 2025 is either NBC gets the rights to air all of the NASCAR season or they split it with Turner (TNT/TBS) who want NASCAR back. FOX is likely out because they want to focus more on the NFL, College Football & MLB. As for ESPN, they aren't interested in NASCAR and are primarily focused on F1 when it comes to motorsports, although their contract ends at the end of the 2023 season.

NASCAR desperately needs MORE manufacturers involved, Dodge, Honda, and Nissan sould be approached and encouraged to join.

I thought Brad Dougherty for ESPN back in the day was great. I wish he’d comeback but I get why he can’t

Yesterday was GOLD! Regan Smith going down the slide was the best! 😂😂

Will NEVER compare to old speed channel!

What happened to NASCAR is NASCAR.....with old school good racing nobody would care who was broadcasting!

On 2001 Daytona 500 Fox has Ken Squier on the "Hollywood Hotel", pre and post race. Whatever happened to Squier after that?

@benwalter4842

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! What happened to the pre and post race shows with fans nearby every time?!

CBS Sports Telecast From The 70s 80s And Early 90s NASCAR ☺

Although FOX’s coverage isn’t that good, they still have the least amount of races on cable with 8 compared to NBC’s 12. Also, FOX will let a race go over its TV window on Network TV meanwhile NBC will always boot NASCAR to cable when it interferes with its nightly news. To be honest, I think NBC, as a news company, cares about quality for all shows and sports but doesn’t care about the sport of NASCAR itself.

I remember growing up watching NASCAR on Fox. Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds, and Darrell Waltrip will always be my favourite broadcasting group in all of NASCAR and it’s one of the best in sports. Michael Waltrip on the grid walk and so many other things made NASCAR on Fox phenomenal. It’s just not the same for me anymore. I still enjoy watching the races but I’ll miss the days of that trio.

Pretty spot-on analysis. Fox turned DW into a cartoon character to the point that he lost all credibility as a former Cup Champion. It’s the same thing that they’ve done (doing) to Terry Bradshaw on their NFL broadcast. And, for me, Michael Waltrip is unwatchable.

The camera work needs some attention and the amount of time commercials are on screen need to be lowered immensely

Too many commercials, somehow missed Burtons flip, too many dumb camera angles when action is going on like on-boards where you can’t see anything, which was partially the reason we missed burtons flip. It’s terrible and they need to fix this

As a Gordon fan, I loved seeing him in the booth after he retired but I can honestly say having him replace Larry Mac was the single worst decision in Fox Sports NASCAR coverage ever. They have never recovered since.

I love that they call it the Hollywood hotel. It’s a trailer dude.

I'll watch a race every now and again, but the broadcast usually sucks...rather just use NASCAR drive while listening to MRN, then catch NASCAR news from Estepp, typically THAT DAY!...watch your content everyday...great work man!...keep it up!

I've never liked fox's coverage. Then it got worse. I was so glad when DW retired from fox. But they kept on doing the stupid, hokey stuff they'd done with him. It's frustrating and annoying.

Broadcast was good, and that was pretty much it from my experience Sunday

I noticed the coverage of the pit stops has changed. They don't show the amount of time spent in the pit stops. That was a big deal in the past!

Both fox and NBC need to get rid of that God awful scoring pylon left side of TV. Scroll it along the top

The biggest problem is the drivers...All the great ones are gone...For decades there were so many legends to cheer for..Now it's a bunch of "guys" that have no appeal at all

@donnarolando3961

2 жыл бұрын

Nascar took a big blow w/ Earnhardt sr., once Gordon retired I lost all interest.

I was able to watch the Daytona 500 on Fox Sports México. Even with just two commentators it felt so much refreshing and captivated, they were talking about the racers and how each driver in contention was doing and what they could achieve and the status of each team, even commercials were not much of an issue as the are sporadic and not intrusive, unlike the official broadcast in Fox sports (US) with commercials left and right. They didn't even talk that much and sometimes leave the race on FX and we could hear the cars engines revving up and was fantastic. Sometimes less is more.

I saw clips of the race on YT. That's all I can access since Fox doesn't give me an option to watch unless I pay ridiculous amounts of money on TV/TV stream providers.

The first thing Fox needs to fix is their camera directing. The booth is a little better now that they're including Larry Mac in the conversations more, but none of that will matter if we can't see what's going on. A last lap pass for the transfer spot in a Duel shouldn't be an "oh by the way" replay after the fact, especially with the charter system where there's only going to be 1-2 eliminations across both Duels. Same with Harrison Burton's flip, you can't predict if a wreck will happen or not while showing an onboard cam but it shouldn't take until the replays after commercial to show the Turn 3-down the backstretch cam that's the best wide shot on the track.

I don't think the on air talent is the problem. It's a combination of the graphics, commercial run time, and the decline in NASCAR's popularity that occured during the Brian France era. Shutting down the Speed channel also was a huge factor. Me and my family loved Dave Despain's Sunday night talk show WindTunnel. If Fox Sports 1 decided to keep the show going, it probably wouldn't have been a problem. But the show ended up getting cancelled, so it's a huge stinker to Fox. It also didn't help with the passing of Steve Byrnes and the phasing out of talent like Jimmy Spencer and Kenny Wallace. NASCAR Race Hub used to be great when Steve Byrnes and Jimmy Spencer were on. Since Steve's death, the show has gone downhill. This also affected the pre-race show as well. It used to be a show where Chris Myers, Jeff Hammond, and Darrell Waltrip would just sit at the Hollywood Hotel studios and just talk about NASCAR racing and the situations involving the race. Since the introduction of a CGI gopher, the show has gotten crazy. A couple corrections though. Hammond wasn't phased out, he was simply moved to different roles, though he still gets his analytical thoughts on when he gets the chance. Michael Waltrip didn't replace Jeff Hammond, he essentially took over his older brother's analytical role as DW focused on the Fox booth. That being said, I don't think he fits in any role more perfectly than being a funny analyst, although him taking the broadcast booth at Gateway over Kenny Wallace certainly is not what I had in mind. I also have to disagree with your opinions on DW, Jeff Gordon and Clint Bowyer as broadcasters. Sure, they can be goofy at times, but they also showed a lot of charisma and trust to the broadcast. We all enjoyed DW's words as the green flag waved to start the race. The reason DW retired was for him to spend more time with his family. This was clearly evident when he returned to call the Bristol Dirt race this year, it was nice to see him back in the booth again. Jeff Gordon and Clint Bowyer brought in something that was missing when Larry Mac took on a smaller role. When they worked together last year, say what you want about the goofiness, but all their teaser spots were funny to watch. Also, Mike Joy still carries the broadcast despite him getting closer to the end of his career. Adam Alexander is an up and coming announcer who is doing the Xfinity Series in a way to prep up for a future time that he replaces Mike Joy as Cup announcer. Whether it's for Fox or another network will depend on the next TV contract. So, I don't think Fox is going down as much as a lot of people would like to say it is. But you can clearly tell something is wrong, as they used to be the great powerhouse NASCAR coverage. I'd say that has disappeared since around 2015.

@stratolestele7611

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Agree. I couldn't believe how awesome FOX started out of the gate in '01. Definitely took things to a very high level - on their first day! The ensemble crew was a moment, albeit a long moment, that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to replicate - especially given the state of NASCAR as of 2022. Were it not for Mike Joy, Fox's coverage would be almost unwatchable. I mean, I actually miss Jeff Gordon in the booth! But for me, DW was the best. He brought the ensemble crew to the top. His departure was devastating for me.

@danielfoster3642

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@@stratolestele7611 "Boogity boogity boogity! Let's go racing!"

NBC coverage sucks...always has. Still think Fox is better. Hell NBC used cartoonish pictures of the drivers and they were intentionally made them to look darker so as to please the left. But NASCAR has fell in the same time frame and I am one of many people I know who no longer watch it. NASCAR sucks today.

NASCAR on fox hasn't been the same since DW retired

I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB, THE DAYTONA 500 WAS GREAT AND FOX IS A FAMILY ORIENTED NETWORK UNLIKE ANY OF THE OTHER NETWORKS WHO ARE NOT FAMILY ORIENTED LIKE ESPN

I remember thoroughly enjoying the damn rain delays on Fox broadcasts back from 01 to 2011 or so. It was usually excellent. Interviews, original content, silly and serious. The Hollywood Hotel was a big piece of that. Nowadays it's hard to watch a full race broadcast, much less the rain delays.

What I miss most is cameras on the walls watching the cars rip by

People kind of bashed and hated on DW for the last few years for the little mistakes he would make. Now let's be honest he left a huge role behind when he stepped out of the booth and that's the beginning of when they really started to fall faster then they already are.

As a follower of the sport for 40 years I agree with many of the points you've made. Many of my opinions about Fox sports coverage lingers on the fact that I am not a fan of DW or his goofy brother. I would much rather have Hammond back in the coverage every weekend. I always look forward to the second half of the season when NBC takes over. Having said that I've always enjoyed Joy and McReynolds. Jeff Gordon is one of the greatest drivers of all time although I wasn't as impressed with him in the Booth. As far as the coverage itself I have to agree that Fox needs to improve in certain areas of their coverage. Just like everyone else I am frustrated with the amount of commercials but until we move to a different format I believe it will not ever change. I grew up listening to the sport on MRN radio. They still have some of the best announcers the sport has the offer. As far as I'm concerned Barney Hall and Eli Gold are the gold standard when it comes to broadcasting. I was always a huge fan of Benny Parsons and this might be an unpopular opinion but I never really cared for Ned Jarrett on the television. Although he did a tremendous job on radio. Radio is a different animal from television when it comes to broadcasting but I believe many of the TV broadcasters could learn a lot from radio broadcasters. I believe fox could benefit tremendously if they brought Larry Mac back into the Booth. I did enjoy Stewart on Sunday but I agree the lack of consistency will continue to be a crutch. I don't get to been out of shape over the coverage, I'm more concerned with the product on the track than how it is covered.

What killed it for viewers is one rule no one with NASCAR can make statements detrimental to the sport NASCAR must let all associates speak freely without retaliation

I think FOX started off very very hot alongside NBC in their original 2001-2006 stint While NBC has learned from their mistakes[hell I've seen more side by side commercials on there than on FOX] FOX just seems bent on having odd camera work, weird commercial breaks, and not really covering a good chunk of stories across the field like they used too. My main gripe with NBC is Rick Allen, but that's cause I think he works better as a commentator for either Xfinity or Trucks than he does cup, and them also missing stuff due to wonky camera work, but that said they try to find angles of incidents if they didn't catch it with a main camera. So I'm hoping FOX gets better as the year goes on, and for the rest of their stint. If it comes to it being a weird TBS/NBC split or even just NBC for post 2024 I wouldn't be too surprised.

I was happy when Tom Rinaldi came to Fox Sports. But for some reason this past Sunday, they had his segment about Truex and Sherry Pollex about 15 minutes before the command. Some of Fox’s production decisions just don’t make sense.

@mr.inferno8354

2 жыл бұрын

That goes up there with NBC mentioning Chase Briscoe and his wife having a miscarriage. It’s pretty low if you ask me.