What are you glad about that NASCAR has left behind?

@THEDonnyB

2 жыл бұрын

The twisted sister concept era ending may end up being good for the sport. The cars now look more factory accurate than ever. Almost like they're attempting to return to win on Sunday sell on Monday.

@spiderbhyd3

2 жыл бұрын

Kentucky

@RoxChaseDi9

2 жыл бұрын

The Caution Clock..

@danielwest9955

2 жыл бұрын

Racing back to the line. The visuals of some car turned over on the backstretch while dudes are still blocking and racing full-speed to get the caution flag at the s/f line are pretty absurd looking back at it.

@robertstone9988

2 жыл бұрын

Always thought getting rid of the racing back to the yellow was a no brainer. Seldom was it ever two cars racing back to the yellow and it mattered. most the time it was just somebody letting a teammate have a lap back.

things that sucked during NASCAR’s peak: _looks over at Brian France…_

@jrsmith5080

2 жыл бұрын

Steve Phelps and O'Donnell ain't all that better

@ChuckyLarms

2 жыл бұрын

That’s Drunk Brian France to you

@jimleech2364

2 жыл бұрын

also sucking - and they are still around i think - are the restrictor plates. They ended the REAL greatest time at Nascar: THE 80's.

@joshuaburkhart7690

2 жыл бұрын

@@jrsmith5080 much agreement with you.

@1320crusier

2 жыл бұрын

Given NASCAR's current bs... Brian had zero control.

Bushwacking by Cup drivers killed the talent pool way more than the open wheel drivers. They sucked up all the best sponsors and best rides, which left almost no space for developing drivers to make a name for themselves in the Bush (and even Truck) series. The open wheel wave brought in a bunch of talented drivers from other series - including Montoya, who was great to have in Nascar - and they almost all flopped. It brought a lot if attention, viewers, and credibility to Nascar, proving that the Cup drivers really were more talented racers than the Ricky Bobby stereotype.

@jamesbraun9842

2 жыл бұрын

The talent pool was choked again when it Became money over skill. Alex Bowman, Aroc Almirola, Matt Dibenedetto, Josh Berry, Kevin Harvick and Michael McDowell probably the only drivers left who didn't have rich family members backing them. They did have to get a big name to endorse them. Alex and Josh (Dale hired both of then)

@CJODell12

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbraun9842 McDowell also had to grind it out with start and park teams for a good portion of his career. Front Row’s #34 has been easily the most secure ride of his career

@Maverick33

2 жыл бұрын

@@CJODell12 and the most well funded since his 2008 stint with MWR. Love's has been a FRM sponsor since 2014 and shows no signs of stopping. McDowell even now has Speedco (former sponsor of Josh Berry in the CARS Tour) and Fr8Auctions (who were a major sponsor of Brett Moffitt

Lets all take this time to remember one thing that we are all glad nascar left behind... The overtime line

@Tristin471

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I don't even think that last for a whole season. I remember how much I hated how the race could be called before the leader took the white flag!

@rftsfan1479

2 жыл бұрын

YESSSSS

@jamesbraun9842

2 жыл бұрын

It says something when Nas Car accepted they messed up

The sheer amount of RELIEF everybody had after Newman's 2020 Daytona500 Crash should tell you how thankful the fans are for the safety innovations NASCAR put into each and every car. Yes, Newman got knocked out by a freak accident. But how many fans were honestly thinking "Please, not again" after that race? Newman, Austion Dillon, Logano, even wrecks like Cassil/J.Earnhardt at Indy could've easily been so much worse.

@jets_mets

2 жыл бұрын

I was at this race and from my angle it didn’t look bad at all. I thought he barrel rolled. The track didn’t show a replay and it wasn’t until I saw a video on Twitter did I realize how bad it was. I thought for sure we had lost a driver. How lucky he was.

@JackLikesTrackhouse

2 жыл бұрын

Newman’s accident is definitely the worst I’ve seen in my time as a NASCAR fan. Only time I’ve been truly scared that we may have lost a driver. (Been worried a few other times, but Newman’s was one I was really scared we may have lost him)

@Elminator666

2 жыл бұрын

There were two times I thought I watched someone die. The 00 at Texas in 2010 and Ryan Newman in the 2020 Daytona 500. I was saying "Oh god. Not again." And went and posted on FB and twitter to pray that Newman was ok.

@shprungus

2 жыл бұрын

My dad and I were watching that race and we both didn’t say a word for like 2 hours until we heard that he was alive. Never want to experience something like that again.

@Red_the_dead_in_bed_2

2 жыл бұрын

It was the way Nascar had pulled the curtain on the media for several hours and how they had tarped off Newman's car and shielded it away from fans that gave me 2001 vibes all over again. I'm still unaware of what Newman was going through from the time of the wreck til when the first news of his survival when viral but to me they treated it very similarly to when Dale died.

The twisted sister concept era ending may end up being good for the sport. The cars now look more factory accurate than ever. Almost like they're attempting to return to win on Sunday sell on Monday.

@pauls9331

2 жыл бұрын

I guess NASCAR wasn't gonna take it anymore.

@TheGrinch_

2 жыл бұрын

@Donewitu 50K for a basically a nascar I would personally buy

@dustypilgrimmedia8423

2 жыл бұрын

That's terrible though. I don't want to watch road cars go around a race track that's an eyesore. Why don't you just bring your local 4 cylinder that was an actual street car and now races with the beater cars at your local track when everyone is getting snacks.

@racinboy234567

2 жыл бұрын

You could argue nascar's rise and most popular period had the cars that looked the least like actual cars. Sure the COT was ugly but look at 'sporty' cars today... lots have splitters and wings of some sort. I think if you can put on a spectacular show... even at 1.5 mile tracks as those cars could, people will overlook the faults as nobody is buying a car because it wins on sunday... if they even ever did. They just want to be entertained on the sunday.

@grungyflannel

2 жыл бұрын

@Donewitu he did say "almost"....and im not sure how you can say all generations are the same... a race winning 51 hudson hornet, 87 buick regal, 2012 dodge charger and 2020 mustang are all pretty freakin different.

The phantom cautions were just horrendous they were a cheap way to add drama to a race and setup a exciting finish

@NotSteveCook

2 жыл бұрын

Now they package them as "stage breaks"

@dumbdave961

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think those have ended just yet. Remember the "rain" caution at Daytona road course?

@TheJinxCast

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that they're awarding points for finishing 10th on arbitrary laps now.

@jxntate

2 жыл бұрын

@@dumbdave961 I think your just a chase elliott fan

@dumbdave961

2 жыл бұрын

@@jxntate Eh, I don't really have a favorite driver. I do think it's important for a sport to follow its own rules though. Was that "rain" caution really any different from the phantom "debris" ones?

On the open wheel invasion, It does seem like Joey Logano is the only 30 year old driver. Everyone else is way older or younger. Now, Indycar is the one being invaded.

@danielmoorefield4891

2 жыл бұрын

Hurting pipeline there.

@crazybut6641

2 жыл бұрын

Kyle Larson and Ryan Blaney are both 29 and Austin Dillon is 31 which really gives perspective of how young Logano was when he started in cup. Can’t think of anyone close to him in age that is Brad survived the open wheel invasion but he is like 8 years older.

@votekyle3000

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazybut6641 yeah, I wondered when I typed this out about Dillon, he’s about a month older than Logano.

@CJODell12

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazybut6641 Fun fact: Brad and Joey were both 28 years old when they won their championships (2012 and 2018, respectively). And Joey won his championship six years to the day that Brad won his.

The open wheel invasion was as much a product of the sorry state of open wheel after the “split” as anything.

@senna3

2 жыл бұрын

Cole Trickle knew in 1990 that he would only be able to run Indy if his name was Andretti or Unser. LOL. Long before the split Indycar had problems elevating American talent while NASCAR did not.

@danielmoorefield4891

2 жыл бұрын

@@senna3 After Tim Richmond’s crash at Michigan in IndyCar. His Mom wanted him out of that car. Into NASCAR he went.

@PaulMcElligott

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever. Neither were part of the open wheel invasion of the mid-2000s.

@TheNewChevyRoll48

2 жыл бұрын

@@senna3 In the 90s for running a full season in CART. Sure. It's why Jeff Gordon became a NASCAR driver. However, the split happened in the Mid-90s because Tony George didn't like that Indycar was moving farther and farther away from its oval racing roots. He wanted a seat at the table with the CART owners, they said no, and he created the Indy Racing League which for 8 years was an ovals only Indycar series with V8 powered Dallaras designed to keep costs down.

@Ibelikemj

2 жыл бұрын

@@senna3 that’s what got Jeff Gordon over lol

We didn't need KZread Twitter or anything back in the day because we had Dave daspain and wind tunnel.

@danieljackett4193

2 жыл бұрын

And before that Despain on ESPN2 with NASCAR 2day, from the racetrack I might add

I miss the pit crew contest during speed weeks

@michaelbrech2480

2 жыл бұрын

They need to bring the pit crew contest back

@joecephus_3668

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

I know we shall disagree, but man, I do miss seeing engines blow up/mechanical failures. By all means I’m glad they aren’t happening and leading to injuries and the whatnot, but still, it’s something I kinda miss. It added and element of realness to the races in a way

@BBJamesB

2 жыл бұрын

More teams would push the limits of their equipment. I feel like teams are more cautious now and have been put in a box too much.

@RhodokTribesman

2 жыл бұрын

@@BBJamesB Idk, F1 teams only get like 3 engines a year but engine failures still happen. They are just probably higher strung and more stressed engines overall though, explaining this but thats just a guess

@senna3

2 жыл бұрын

What I find disappointing is that when the 900hp beasts were replaced with engines with less power, the cost of the engines did not decrease enough. If Hendrick and Rick Ware Racing both had the same engine, racing would be closer.

@packisbetter90

2 жыл бұрын

It made races more interesting for sure.

@kling2296

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Motorsports is just as much about the cars as it is about the drivers.

Don't forget Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, and Ryan Newman were all part of the open-wheel invasion.

Something I don’t miss from pre COT era is definitely the lack of safety, I get that many features in motorsport are called “Tombstone technology” but honestly we all have our “what if” scenarios in racing like “ what if Ayrton Senna didn’t die at Imola” or “what if Dale Earnhardt Sr didn’t die at Daytona” but for me the most tragic one is Adam Petty. While both those drivers mentioned lived years of adulthood and showcased their talent ( not trying to disrespect the lost of those affected by the death of either Senna or Earnhardt) Adam was so young that never really got the chance to live a life or even build his own career like Richard or Adam. I’m glad we don’t have anymore “what if” being made about driver deaths anymore

@knightofthenine3121

2 жыл бұрын

if senna didn't died at imola, in 2000 he would be winning the Daytona 500 with a Black and Gold John Player Special 12 car by DEI or Hendrick

@connorslape965

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this. I hate when people romanticize the danger on the past that saw several drivers die on the track. I hate when the say “this isn’t real racing anymore”.

@Shiggiesmalls02

2 жыл бұрын

@@knightofthenine3121 hahahahahahahahaha NO.

Mechanical failures are what showed that teams were pushing cars to the absolute limit. Sure it would suck if it happened to your guy but saying not having them anymore is a good thing is kinda a weird/bad take.

@BBJamesB

2 жыл бұрын

This should be the top comment.

@jamesdb7115

2 жыл бұрын

It was a blessing and a curse but you are right, it showed who was pushing their equipment to the limit. I think nowadays, the equipment has gotten better overall.

@cj_m8811

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It added storylines, this is just his opinion, but I fully disagree with him

@DanArnets1492

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, mechanical failures are really cool in motorsports, just like crashes - If nothing's failing, I'm gonna assume no one is trying that hard or that it isn't challenging to try hard

@seannolan9857

2 жыл бұрын

This. 100%. Unreliability leads to unpredictable races and creates scenarios that wouldn't have happened otherwise. When nothing wears out, you get 500 mile parades where nothing happens except pit stops.

One disagreement - I miss the engine failures/suspension/brake loss/etc. I loved the mechanical issues. It was another layer we don't have today. Teams were trying to build the best equipment and push limits and sometimes over pushed. You'd see 2 to 3 car teams all have right front tire issues bc they were running way too soft of a spring in the right front trying to get an advantage (looking at you Penske). One thing I was surprised wasn't on the list was the Lucky Dog rule. Cars racing to the line was extremely dangerous and it was done away with after Dale Jarrett sat in the middle of the track, wrecked at NHS in 2003. Cars raced back to the line and he was just sitting there. Luckily nothing bad happened but for that reason I do not miss racing back to the line. I do, however, have a problem with the Lucky Dog AND the wave around rule. It gives teams way too much leeway. I miss teams and drivers having to have a near perfect day AND some luck to win a race. We saw Kyle Busch come from 4 laps down and win once because of the Lucky Dog rule. It never would have happened had we not had that rule. My fix would be to go back to the lapped cars on the inside, lead lap outside and if you really wanted a lap back, you'd have to get in front of the leader and a caution would have to come out to freeze the field. Just my opinion, I know that's probably not a popular one.

@nurabsal0x018c

2 жыл бұрын

That is one thing with the mechanical failures of the era - it wasn't just the crappy field fillers having their cars blow up, it was the elite equipment too.

@blueredlover1060

2 жыл бұрын

Which race did Kyle come back from 4 laps down to win? I can't seem to remember one. Dale Sr and Bill Elliott both came back from 2 down under green, but something like that I'd think I'd remember.

@racinboy234567

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueredlover1060 I think he might have it confused with when Jeff Gordon did it at Martinsville?

@jamesbraun9842

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it is possible. Dale Jarrett unlapped himself four times at Indianapolis.

Seeing my favorite driver die during a race was one of the most horrific things I saw as a young child. I'm glad no one else has had to experience that since.

@castandblast1852

2 жыл бұрын

I had to take some time off from watching nascar as a kid because of this. It wasn’t the same for me.

@joeyjojos5839

2 жыл бұрын

@@castandblast1852 Yeah it really was just never the same for me either. I still watched with my dad sometimes just to spend time with him but I just couldn't enjoy it as much anymore.

I enjoyed the open wheel invasion because I watch a lot of different racing and I have the most respect for drivers who can race in multiple diciplines, I hated how the ignorant nascar fans who treated Montoya so badly, dude is a world class driver and is the only modern driver who has won in formula 1, nascar, indycar and IMSA

@jamesbraun9842

2 жыл бұрын

The problem was most of them came in mid fielders. Tony Stewart, AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti, Dan Gurney and Almendinger and Montoya were the only drivers to actually have a fair shot at the win. Kimi, Villenuve, John Andretti, Dario, Danica, Speed, Dinger etc. Some had talent but didn't get a fair shot

@Maverick33

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbraun9842 you forgot Hornish Jr. He raced for Penske in the Xfinity Series and DOMINATED. Even won in a Gibbs car in 2016 at Iowa. Hornish almost won the 2013 Xfinity Series championship. Only lost it by a handful of points. Sam Hornish Jr was the 2nd best IndyCar/NASCAR crossover since Tony Stewart. You also forgot Robby Gordon. He won a few Cup Series races. Was really starting to become a contender until he lost the RCR ride when RCR was experiencing a renaissance. After Robby was sacked from RCR, his career nosedived. Had to field his own cars and could never get good equipment. Then when Jim Beam left, his career really tanked when he had to create Speed Energy to fund his team. Robby Gordon had a lot of potential but never got a true chance to shine

@jamesbraun9842

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maverick33 Both of them were successful barely. Sam Hornish had a Penske Dodge and drove badly. (He did OK as a fill in after Allmendinger was fired). Also anyone could win in the Gibbs 18 Xfinity car. Robby Gordon had a shot when RCR was still a front running team. He underperformed and was replaced.

8:21 NASCAR should've used the 2010-2012 design from the start with the COT.

@patrickanderson9023

2 жыл бұрын

Holy hell no.

I personally miss mechanical failures being a part of races. It added more unpredictability. Never new when the bad luck would strike, and the teams that could maufacture components that could be efficient yet durable made for great competition imo.

I want more mechanical failures! The Daytona 500 for example is meant to be a 500-mile stress test of the driver *and* the machine.

I do photography at my local dirt track, and we had a fatal accident this summer. You can never be too safe at any level, long story short a lot of things went wrong and the kid basically burned to death and I felt completely helpless. Worst thing I've ever seen in my life and drastic safety measures were immediately addressed and increased to ensure it never happens again

The engine durability sucks honestly. It means engine builders aren't pushing the grey areas anymore and it shows.

@TheGrinch_

2 жыл бұрын

Reliability of engines has improved

The only good thing that I see about NASCAR's past that has been left behind is the continued 1.5 similar layout construction. What I miss the most is ACTUAL camera flashes in the stands...now, I didn't say cellphones or kiddies sitting in a spectator spot texting instead of watching, but actual 35 mm CAMERA flashes like you can see at the green flag of the 1992 Winston or even at the 2007 Daytona 500. NASCAR needs to leave the lucky dog rule behind along with the "no racing to the flag" rule. Unfortunately, Iceberg, the durability and length of NASCAR set it apart from other sports and made the athletes ELITE rather than a well-heeled pretty boy who works out a bit. I miss the actual physical of it and the "never know" if my car is going to make it! However, technology has advanced and the road product we drive today is much more durable, as well.

Only about 6 of the things you say suck 1. The open wheel revolution brings in more international talent and makes a broader fan base of people were now open to NASCAR, getting a Alex Palou or Danny Ric would be great additions to NASCAR 2. Start and Parks were not a sign of how successful NASCAR was, but also gave you more underdogs and everyday people in the field 3. Speed was a phenomenal channel and might be one of the greatest’s channels ever created, it was racing’s equivalent to the NFL network and pretty much every show they had was a banger. Mav tv tries don’t come close to what speed was

@brad8759

2 жыл бұрын

Start and park cars only gave u underdogs and regular drivers for about 3 laps and that was it. Most of those teams didn't even bring spare tires or pit carts

@guidorrmc7618

2 жыл бұрын

If the open wheel revolution is bringing the eyes of an international fan base, why are ratings and interest declining? Why are people constantly making videos about how to regain casual viewers and how to get kids to take an interest in the sport? Open wheelers and an international fan base didn’t get nascar to its peak.

@griffinperley9247

2 жыл бұрын

@@guidorrmc7618 because at the time open wheel racing wasn’t at it’s peak. Your not trying to get another casual, you’re trying to get a different kind of race fan who starts watching due to who’s in the driver but then falls in love with the sport as a whole

I'm still not a huge fan of double-file restarts. On tracks where one lane has a major advantage, the fourth place car can be in a better position than the second place car, which just feels wrong to me. Single file better represents the running order before the caution. But yeah, it is less exciting.

I have to say, I kinda like the single file restarts and the attrition. The single file starts with lapped cars on the inside allow (and force) lapped cars to race their way back onto the lead lap. It's the best way I can think of for cars to unlap themselves. The only other way I can think of is to just have the lap cars at the end of a double file start and have the highest running lapped car get a free lap back when a caution comes out. As for attrition, I like it when teams are walking the fine line between high performance and durability. It's an added layer of complexity. Granted, I don't want the attrition to be so high like it was in the 50s-70s where you could just ride around easy and end up top 10 because you didn't fall out of the race. There's a balance that I think was being hit properly in the 90s-00s.

@danieljackett4193

2 жыл бұрын

I would make one change to the free pass rule...Give the lap back to the 1st lapped car behind the leader when the caution comes out, no matter how many laps behind the car is, instead of first car that is lapped in the running order

Actually disagree on the start and parks. Some of those teams eventually began to attempt full races and grow, and sadly the charter system really hinders new teams from getting started and off the ground.

@guidorrmc7618

2 жыл бұрын

I’d much prefer race teams knowing what they are and just being a start and park than all these subpar teams trying to complete races. They are just in the way and cause cautions that affect race outcomes.

@Ibelikemj

2 жыл бұрын

The charter system is fine, it’s limiting the team owners to those who have the resources and win to come in easily like MJ and Justin Marks but also limits those who don’t have a chance at winning and being successful like Carl Longs team and so on, the only problem is Rick Ware has a monopoly on four charters and he knew he would cash out. I just want 36 cars that can win at any chance is all

I was only 11 when Dale passed. It still haunts my dad trying to explain to me what happened that day All I kept asking was if Dale was ok. I'm glad we are in a safer era

@jcngokai-76

2 жыл бұрын

Dale Earnhardt passed away on the one-year anniversary of my grandpa’s passing, so it was hard for me to witness Dale’s death live on television.

I am glad about the crew members getting safety gear. There is always talk about the drivers ,but we tend to forget about the pit crews. A lot of them had gotten seriously hurt or killed because they didn't have safety gear besides just gloves on.

I’m sorry but the COT was the literal king of blowovers every time they get spun clean around there was almost a high chance to flip over and the splitter yeah the splitter on the gen 6 was bad but as soon as the cot touched it crunch (yeah happened with gen 6 too a lot) but there was so many flips when the cot was around even the commentators were happy that they was gonna get rid of the wings because that helped a lot in them getting yeeted into the air

@patrickanderson9023

2 жыл бұрын

COT is the worst concept (nightmare) in the history of stock car racing.

The COT was ugly, but it all worked together when it was in its first iteration. When the wing was replaced with the spoiler, it just looked wrong, for some reason. Yes, the spoiler is better, but it just didn't fit the car, I think

Brian France Nuff said

I'm glad Marty Reid is not a commentator any more. What a terrible cringe commentator. Leave him in the past. Only bring back Allen Bestwick and Dr Jerry Punch and let's go sailing.

As a fan that IS old enough to remember the 80s and 90s, the safety is the thing I am most grateful for in today's motorsports. 2000 leading up to Dale's death in 2001. It's truly NASCAR's biggest shame that it took Earnhardt dying for them to react. The pre-COT cars were UGLY, too. They were looking like twisted sand-sharks by the end of that era. Even CoT looked more "stock" than those things.

@tainvestor

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with you. While the COT isnt pretty, it is at least interesting. The years before that with the twisted sister cars were horrid.

I really do wish they'd bring back those ground level cameras installed in the racing surface. Those angles do be slappin

@cdmit27

2 жыл бұрын

Yes bring back Digger!

@TheNewChevyRoll48

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the return of the Digger Cam

When I first started watching nascar blown engines were an integral part of racing and it was always interesting to see/bet who would blow up, and who would make it to the end. There were certain drivers who were going to win, blow, or wreck, and they made the sport more interesting

It could be me but it seems like NASCAR did a good job cutting down on boarder line debris cautions. It always bothered me when they didn’t show the debris or reason for caution.

@ZeroRed78

2 жыл бұрын

That's because they just skipped the pretense and added artificial stoppages with stages.

Races ending under caution. With the new GWC rules it’s nice to see a race under power in an entertaining fashion instead of an anti climactic finish because a couple of back runners couldn’t keep it under control for 4 more laps. Definitely an under appreciated rule because of all the tinkering made to it.

Those gen 4 cars from 2003 to 2007 doing away with the manufacturer body design is something I'm glad we don't have anymore, the Monte Carlos didn't really look right anymore. Look at images of a 2002 Monte Carlo NASCAR and a 2003 Monte Carlo NASCAR. Same issues with Chargers not looking right, and the asymmetrical design was strange too. A genius design for higher speed and better performance, but I'm glad the cars are shaped and designed like the real thing again.

I definitely still remember the days of drivers dying locally and nationally. They weren't great. Injuries were super common, too. Especially in the national series such as the Winston Cup and Busch Grand National series. I don't miss that part one bit.

With it being over 20 years since Mike Helton uttered those words in Daytona that shocked the NASCAR community to its core: "this is undoubteably one of the toughest announcements that I've ever personally had to make. But after the accident at turn 4 at the end of the Daytona 500... We've lost Dale Earnhardt," Not that anyone in their right mind will wish it to happen, but if it does, then it will shake everyone in a similar way to Dale Senior dying. It's similar to F1 in a way. Prior to the passing of Jules Bianchi in 2015, 9 months after being involved in an accident where he had severe head injuries resulting from his car going underneath a recovery vehicle, F1 hadn't seen a driver die since Ayrton Senna in 1994 and after the French driver lost his life, the FIA ultimately decided to implement changes to prevent a repeat accident from happening again

I liked the casual nature of the early 2000s fox broadcast. Reminds me of announcers at local short tracks.

Danica Patrick was NOT the flagship for open wheel busts, as she did occasionally show glimpses of success. Yes, Stewart and even Montoya were exponentially better, but I also believe that Danica was rushed through the series far too quickly. She never got the chance to really learn how to drive a stock car properly before being thrust into the cup series. Also, you have to discount the wrecks where she was caught up in someone else's mess, blew a tire, or just plain got taken out. For a true open wheel bust, I'd look more to Fittipaldi, Villeneuve, Lally (technically sports car but same idea), etc. Danica wasn't good, but she was far from the worst.

Racing to the yellow was awesome

The deaths of Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, and Dale Earnhardt in a span of less than a calendar year came right at the peak of my fandom. It's hard to even explain what that's like, there's really nothing else to compare it to. Dale obviously was one of the top handful of superstars in history, and that story has been told many times over, hard to compare that to anything, it would be like if Tom Brady got sacked but broke his neck and died in the Super Bowl. But Adam Petty, with his pedigree and being so young... Kenny Irwin was ROY in 1998. I knew these guys, followed these guys, and... it's just weird. I had their die-casts... it is hard to even explain getting die-casts for drivers who are perfectly alive, and then they're not, and you're sitting there holding a toy version of the car a dude died in. There were others before then, of course, and in other motorsports as well - and most of the major motorsports have had further deaths over the last 20 years. For the younger fans or fans that just weren't paying attention at the time... I hope you never have to deal with that kind of loss in the sport. For all the flaws, NASCAR and everyone they've worked with to make cars and tracks safer over the years should be commended. We do not need to go back to the good ole days in that regard.

@toyotaecw

2 жыл бұрын

Also Jerry Nadeau’s early retirement was around that time because of his wreck. Was that at Richmond? I can’t remember.

1:50 Did you voiceover the word secret? Lol, for some reason while listening to video on PC with headphones, that one word sounds totally different. thanks for sharing

I think if you didn't grow up with single file restarts, you can't appreciate the charm that they had. I'd be fine seeing it come back because I do find double file as creating "artificial" passing. And I completely disagree on the engine durability thing. Cost aside, the biggest problem in the sport now is actually the cars being too durable. Because of that you have drivers running qualifying laps all race and no one having to actually "manage" equipment. I'd be fine seeing parts break and engines fail. It punished drivers who traditionally didn't manage their cars or tires and teams who were aggressive with the engines. This list screams a modern fan who didn't live through a simpler time to see how the quality of coverage has grossly degraded. We don't even get full starting lineups anymore. The network picks the drivers they want to cover and we have to suck it up. A mix of old and new is much better than picking one over the other. Agreed the COT was ugly AF.

@polycube868

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a mix of old school and modern fan, born in '93 from a family who either rarely watched or never watched ever, started watching in 2004, I remember single file restarts and season long points via the Busch Series. I see advantages to both, but a lot of times double file the inside line is screwed.

: The open wheel invasion has been around forever. Before the modern Era it was common to see drivers from different forms of racing in the field. Competitive wise though Tony Stewart AJ Foyt and Dan Gurney were the ones that could actually drive in both.

It’s incredible how reliable cup cars are now

@whatsup7253

2 жыл бұрын

Max they only drive 500 miles they should be reliable and what about a tire can't be made that goes 500 miles max.

I'm surprised to not see racing back to the line on here. I'm glad that's gone. Makes way more sense to freeze the field at the point of caution

@nurabsal0x018c

2 жыл бұрын

It only bugs me when it's the last lap and there's a mid-pack crash... I wish there were a way to let those clear of the crash race it out for the checkered flag, but it just isn't practical, and the OT rules do more than enough to make sure races end as competitively as possible.

@DepravedCoTApologist

2 жыл бұрын

@@nurabsal0x018c I personally thought that what that stupid overtime line a few years ago should've been was if a caution happens beyond that point on the last lap, the race would finish under green to the finish line. However, since a scenario only happens a handful of times per season, it would be an needlessly contrived wrinkle in the Overtime procedures. I like the rule as it stands now

@johnrogan9729

2 жыл бұрын

Getting rid of racing back to the yellow was one of the worst decisions NASCAR made in my opinion. I found it highly enjoyable.

@nurabsal0x018c

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnrogan9729 I get why they got rid of it, but I wish at least they could let them race back to the line on the final lap, or find some way of letting the cars past the incident race back to the line.

" Though I implore you not to do that" lol I agree. Great video once again IB! Question though. What changes were made to make engine endurance greater? Efi? Electrical in general you think?

@imaPirate420

2 жыл бұрын

I know with efi the fuel proportion is more equal per cylinder

As some have said, the lack of mechanical failures is one I disagree on. The engine issues disappearing is mostly because it’s not a horsepower race above 900 anymore but the engine is still sized for it, so even when the tuners push the engines they’re unlikely to dynamite. I would like to see more mechanical failures as a result of those being aspects of competition, rather that the safe area it is right now. And I’m not saying make the cars less durable - the bodies and for safety reasons most of the cars has to be. But tweak the rules to be more in the gray area with suspension and engine.

"Other than Juan Pablo Montoya"...Forgets that Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon (as a teenager) were open wheel drivers

I believed the COT was an abomination back then, and I still do.

@ChuckyLarms

2 жыл бұрын

The racing with return of spoiler and filled in grill is still underrated

Start and parks/field fillers may be a thing of the past, at least in the form we recognized them, but many of the underlying issues that led to their rise at various times are still around, and if anything have accelerated in recent years. (After all, you literally just made a video about the mass exodus of sponsorship in the last decade or so, and lows in sponsorship often lead to a rise in non-competitive entries.) The Charter system has been a bandaid over a septic wound at best, and at worst is being used to tidally lock the field as it exists into place, while being used to expel specific owners as they fall out of favor with the sanctioning body, and in a more expedient manners than older "brute force" tactics, some examples of which have been detailed in discussions around J.D. McDuffie's final years. One could even make the case that some teams that might operate in the manner of older field filler/start and park types if they raced in those eras, like Rick Ware and StarCom, are actually surviving longer under the Charter system than they would with fully open fields under the 2013-15 or pre-2005 qualifying systems. After all, under either of those systems, there's reason to question whether they would have even been able to qualify for races, which would've ended their existences far more quickly than what has transpired under the Charter system. (I.E. maybe we only see half a season of Quin Houff, most of it confined to Qualifying Day, instead of two seasons of race days where one of the unspoken stories was "will this pay driver implode a race because his his much lower skill level strikes at the worst moment?")

The problem with NASCAR becoming safe, is it's become boring. The entire problem with the gen 6 car was due to safety, aka, the lowering of HP. The problem NASCAR has is it's became soley focused on safety it felt, that they didn't care if the quality of the racing was good or bad

Honestly I wish the cars weren't as reliable. I think there's a balance for amount of engine failures. It's why the 600 was so awesome back in the day. Those engines were balanced on a razors edge and the extra 100 miles really tested the cars. Now they're so reliable that there's no tangible benefit to the extra miles. Don't want it to be a bunch of cars every race but I wish there was a little more to add that element to the races.

If it wasn’t for Dale’s passing then the COT wouldn’t have existed. While people don’t like it I actually did & it helped save drivers lives like Carl Edwards & Michael McDowell.

What are your top ideas for things they SHOULD bring back from this era? My number one is the at track experience, nascar race day, tons of driver appearances, a hopping midway, I feel like it would go a long way in rebuilding fan attendance

@guidorrmc7618

2 жыл бұрын

One thing that would go a long way to helping what you are talking about would be having the cars on the track all weekend. Who enjoys spending all that money to have the cup cars rush in on Saturday, go on the track once for about 20 minutes, race on Sunday and gone. Bring back true race weekends with Friday qualifying, happy hours, and then the race.

When speaking about the broadcasts let’s not forget that they would miss restarts entirely at some points in the 90’s and even early 2000’s

One of my biggest dislikes of pro racing today vs 20 years ago is how durable the cars are. Why is it a good thing to have the same dominant boring results race after race? Big names blowing engines made things more unpredictable, shuffles the points battle, and gives underdogs a chance. F1 especially is worse for it more than Nascar though imo. Races have been won and lost on the last lap because of it. By far the best change is safety. It's tragic to think back on how dangerous things were. Not just fatalities but so many concussions... I worry for Dale Jr having pcs in the future Great vid as always

@nofxceghxst9192

2 жыл бұрын

How are you going to say durability is a negative yet greater safety is a positive as if those two things don't tie into each other?

Another thing about single file restarts is I feel it needs to come back for the superspeedway races just base on how the drivers have to race them now and what seems to be a lack of respect among fellow competitors. Just a thought. Edit: Also I kind of disagree with the durability of engines/parts/etc cause it added that wild card type factor and put more emphasis on the guys back at the shop of getting it right. Plus it forced drivers to take care of their equipment or pay the price.

Its sad, but the deaths of Adam and Dale is what took Nascar to make drastic safety measures. They were slowly making changes but when they were killed. NASCAR took a major step towards safety. If I'm not mistaken, the COT was built because of Dale dying.

@zacharycoffey390

2 жыл бұрын

I've been watching Nascar since I was 2 (I'm almost 27) I remember watching Dale die at 5yo and it freaking hurt. He was my hero back then. I was messed up for a year or 2 over it. I even had flash backs when Dan was killed at Vegas in Indycar.

Eh, I'll take a bare-bones broadcast from 2005 with access to today's stats and audio online any day over the goofy broadcasts we get now. There comes a point where the production becomes a distraction.

It wasn't a NASCAR event, but years ago I was working for a carnival and I was thinking about traveling with then for a season of two. We were at the Iowa State Fair and the had car and trucks racing throughout the week. On the first Saturday if racing, there was a truck raving event and on the front stretch and I could see the track fron the game I was running. I took a peek and saw a truck upside down on top of another truck. It looked like it was a movie scene. One driver was killed instantly and the other driver I think was airlifted to the hospital and I think he survived but never raced again. They canceled all racing cars and trucks that whole weekend including the next week's racing. They did however have a tractor pull the last Saturday of the fair.

One thing they did get right back in the day was that direct tv hot pass package they had from like 2007-2012. I guess we don’t need that now bc nascar mobile but I loved that as a kid in the mid 2000’s. I also miss the speed channel

I think one of the best things that Nascar has done away with is finishing races under caution. Much more satisfying as a viewer to see them racing until the end, or at least as close to the end as can safely be done. Just look at the ending of the ending of the Indy 500 a couple years ago. How anti-climactic was that?

The thing that needs to come back? The garage/repair rules. You should be allowed to take as long as you need to.

Two related things that should be brought back, racing to the caution, and racing to get a lap back when a caution comes out...But with the caveat that it has to be safe enough to do so...This does away with the free pass rule, and gives a chance to see a driver lap the field, which hasn't happened in 30 years when it used to be commonplace

@polycube868

2 жыл бұрын

Really wasn't common anymore last time it happened

@danieljackett4193

2 жыл бұрын

@@polycube868 1994, 2nd North Wilkesboro race, Geoff Bodine won Before that Harry Gant at the 1991 fall Dover race

@polycube868

2 жыл бұрын

@@danieljackett4193 during his Mr September run

@polycube868

2 жыл бұрын

@@danieljackett4193 Bobby Allison at Dover 1982 was the last driver to win by multiple laps.

i agree the COT was hideous, but I think the cars from about 1998 to the COT were bad also. They looked nothing like the "stock" cars. In 1998 (I believe) Chevy had the Monte Carlos, and at least they looked like a MC. But Ford brought out the new Taurus, and if looked nothing like a Taurus other than the stickers! The thing looked like a modified or something you'd see at your local dirt track! It had a low nose with tons of down force, and I'm sure it was easier to drive, but it didn't look anything like a stock car. And when Dodge came back, they used basically the Ford template, and then Chevy had to redesign the Monte, and all of them looked the same. At least now the cars will look more like Camaros and Mustangs.

All the attention is about Dale Earnhardt's death but he'd lived a pretty full life. Even if it was cut short he'd raised a family, done more than most anyone his age had. The one the always got me was Adam Petty dying in practice. His dad, Kyle Petty, stepped in for years in his seat Can only imagine how hard that was. Glad no one has to do that anymore

@polycube868

2 жыл бұрын

Dale died doing what he loved knowing his son and his team were going to win the biggest race in the series...who knows what Adam could have done, he might have brought relevance back to Petty Enterprises or have been like Jon Wood and never made it as a driver but went into team management.

I'm surprised you didn't bring up a couple of things. 1. I'll probably get booed for this, but we can leave racing back to the line behind. The risk-reward for that was pegged toward the risk end. There was a terrible crash at Texas in 1997 where lapped Ernie Irvan was trying to make up a lap and plowed into a slower car, taking out themselves and Jeff Gordon in the process. There were so many near misses (Bobby Hillin, Jr. and Kyle Petty walking on the infield in the 1993 Daytona 500 as the field comes storming back around and Kyle Petty almost dooring/killing Steve Grissom in the 1994 Coca-Cola 600 are the two that always come to my mind) that it just wasn't worth a lap made up or a position made up coming to a caution. 2. Races that end under caution. Now I need to asterisk this - *But also not endless green flag attempts. While I do prefer a green flag finish and races that end under yellow just leave you feeling like you kissed your sister, and probably worse if you spent money to attend the race (even though a couple of my favorite races were ones that ended under yellow (1997 Daytona 500)), endless attempts at a green finish are also a fool's errand. I like where it is now (I believe it's 3 attempts?), but I could live with just 1 GWC attempt. Too many cars get wadded up if there are too many attempts to finish, especially at an RP track, but at least one chance to have the race finish at speed is sufficient for me and miles better than a yellow-checkered finish. 3. The turn of the century was the worst time for safety, because the cars had gotten faster and more sleek in the aero department, so the collisions with each other and/or the wall were the most brutal to the driver's body. If you go back and look at the late '90s and the first couple seasons of the 2000s before the HANS and other safety features were standard, in addition to the 4 notable deaths during that time, there were many more drivers that missed time behind the wheel due to crashes in practice or during races (Ernie Irvan had his career end, Mike Skinner saw his time in the Lowe's 31 car end, Robert Pressley missed time in the 77, and Johnny Benson, Jr. missed time, also, and basically lost his ride in the 10 car because of it). Sterling Marlin saw a potential championship run end in 2002 during injuries sustained during a crash. I say all that to amplify your top point about safety. Sure the deaths were horrible and that's what drives improvements, but there were many more instances of drivers missing time due to injury, which waters down the show a little bit. 4. I'll bring something else up, but again with an asterisk. The schedule - *Now I think 36 races is way too many, but as recently as 1992, there were only 29 races all season long. Starting in 1993, however, a race was added almost every season before they settled at 36 in 2001 starting with the new TV deal. I personally could live with between 32-34 races, but I remember a time in the early 1990s when it seemed like every 3rd week was an off week with no Cup race. There were obviously fewer Busch races also. Again, I think 36 races is too many (and the drivers and every crew guy I've talked to says the same), but 29-30 wasn't quite enough IMO. 5. Camera angles. Sure, it was just the time we were in, but there were so many accidents back then that nobody ever knew the origin of unless you were there and saw it live from the beginning. Now at least there's a robo camera in the turn that captures the back marker spinning out or whatever happened. Go back and watch a race, especially at a Rockingham or Dover done by a TNN or a short track Busch race done by TNN or TBS and you'll see what I mean. One note I wanted to close with was your comment on the broadcasts. I myself consider myself a numbers guy, but there was something to be said about the races through the early-mid 1990s or so that didn't have all the information all over the screen. You had nothing else to focus on or distract you from the racing on the track. The commentators made sure to tell you if a certain guy was a lap down or if what they were showing was actually a battle for position. They knew who was in every car and made sure to tell you if he flashed across the screen, and sometimes mentioned the sponsor as well if it was a lesser-known guy or an independent scrapping to make it and had to piece deals together, like Dave Marcis or Jimmy Means. The focus during the old time broadcasts was on the racing, and you could really hone in on it without getting distracted with intervals and rundowns. Pros and cons either way, but if you go back and watch a race any time between 1990 and 1995, you'll see what I'm talking about. ESPN debuted the Top 10 running order bug in 1996 I believe, and that started the trend of permanent on-screen bugs and rundowns during NASCAR races.

On the restart topic: keep the single file restarts in reserve for emergency situations or safety reasons, like what happened on the dirt and at COTA. But only use it in those extreme scenarios. Also, Berg touched on the safety aspect. Worst injuries we've seen since Earnhardt died was Almirola's broken back and Busch's broken leg. Maybe Junior's concussions as well as Newman's Daytona wreck last year. The risk is still there for death to occur, but it's been so mitigated by all the safety features that it is the most unlikely thing to occur next to a Superspeedway race without at least one 10 car pileup

Please don't hit me, but I'm gonna say this, I LOVE THE COT CARS. Im sorry, but as a diehard NASCAR fan, I love the COT cars, I actually love the boxy design, and the splitter design looked good, the only thing I didn't liked about the COT was the wing, it was a stupid idea and it felt like it didn't belong in NASCAR. Thankfully, the good old spoiler returned during the 2010 season.

While I like to see the "big one", I'm also relieved that we don't get injuries or death in races

Id still take that time especially from 1999 to 2007 back for sure mostly because of popularity and how much easier souvenirs and diecasts were to get then

Buschwhacking Yes there's still Cup drivers that race in the lower two series, but it's nowhere bear as bad as it was in the mid-'00s. Add the fact that Cuo drivers back then could actually compete for points in those series, stealing not only races, but maybe even full championships from series regulars and drivers trying to work their way up the ladder. The stray race here and there niwadays is fine as it gives the regulars a bar to reach for, but the fact that there are Xfinity Series champions that were full time Cup drivers the year they won is unfair imo.

This list has a fundamental problem and that is that it has presumed that peak NASCAR was in the late 1990s- early 2000s. NASCAR peaked much earlier (1992) when you consider the old championship format (for both Winston Cup and BGN), the greatest generation of drivers, the parity of cars among mostly single car teams ( most of which had full year sponsors) and independent non-start and parkers. This predated the cookie cutter track build bonanza and 'development driver' era. NASCAR certainly rose in popularity after 1992 but didvso on the fuel of competition of that earlier era, rather than on its own merit. The same principle as with a rocket that continues to climb even after the engine quits. The video says open wheel drivers hurt development drivers. No. Development drivers hurt drivers moving up through independent BGN teams based on driver talent. It also takes a view that WWE entertainment value should be valued over actual completion theory. Single file restarts weren't a problem because they were rarely single file-- the lap cars were on the inside trying to get their laps back. There was additional value in being the leader to be able to clear lapped cars first. Double file restarts are 'exciting' but only because it manufactures excitement artificially, diminishing the advantage of actually being the leader. Also, mechanical failures, as others said, were important to the fabric of a sport that trades on the idea that they are pushing man and machine to the breaking point. Best thing that happened is the safety of the cars in this referenced era, but the sport was already on a downward slide by then, certainly not peak NASCAR.

The Caution Clock🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️at least it only lasted one season

I'm glad we're leaving behind non-OEM aerodynamics. Skewing the rear a.k.a twisted sisters and sealed off front ends. Those 2 things hurt the racing so bad I can't even put it in words.

a rulebook with a grey area was awesome

I was at the Texas Truck race where Tony Roper got killed, his Truck came to rest near turn 1 ,and I sat their watching him being cut out of the truck and airlifted, I felt so bad for him and his loved ones, and I felt guilt over paying to watch a driver getting killed, though I know they all know it’s a high risk sport..

Man I absolutely loved the SPEED Channel. Nostalgic feels a day.

9:00 Earnhardt Sr. waving to Kenny Wallace "Lets GO!!!" Drivers should be able to see thru back windshields today but can't since the trunk almost reaches the roof with the spoiler

Bring back building and running engines to the edge of performance; leading to failures.

@dsz2448

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Pretty sad when for $5K you can take a 20 year old Camaro or mustang and have more horsepower in a street car than what they have now. And that’s accounting for the 670 number they’ve graced everyone with…

Yep, 4:00 I disagree about the open wheel driver's coming over. I guess some of the fault would fall in the driver's lap, thinking they were too good to start in the lower Series', but I put most of the blame on the owners. Roger, Chip and Tony should have never thrown Juan, Sam, Dario and Danica into the Cup Series without ample time in at least the Xfinity Series. I mean look at the drivers that did come up racing stock cars and it took some several year's to win at the Cup level.

@danieljackett4193

2 жыл бұрын

Danica couldn't drive an Xfinity car, and she was a full-timer in the series for 2 seasons

@anitagarrison6916

2 жыл бұрын

@@danieljackett4193 She raced 12 races in 2011 while still driving in IndyCar. Then she had a full season in the Nationwide Series in 2012 while also driving 10 Cup races. I would imagine she and Go Daddy had a big part in her moving up so quick but I'll always feel she might could have had a decent career if not the rush.

What wouldve helped NASCAR with the open wheel invasion and field filling is if they had a practice session like IndyCar used to have for the 500 to see if the car would’ve been good/ fast enough to even be allowed to qualify

@TheNewChevyRoll48

2 жыл бұрын

I would mention the split, but that was a double edged sword for NASCAR. If the CART/IRL split never happened, NASCAR wouldn't be the top motorsport in the United States and we'd miss out on drivers like Jeff Gordon, Robby Gordon, A.J Almendinger, and Tony Stewart. However, it happened and we ended up with the open wheel invasion once CART (at the time it was ChampCar) was on the ropes.

@HumbertoSaabedra

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNewChevyRoll48 You would have still had Robby and Jeff Gordon on top of Dinger in NASCAR, it just would have taken longer for IndyCar to cycle out of mainstream visibility because of the Master Settlement Agreement being a much bigger factor in the money drying up in American open-wheel than anyone expected. If you want to look at it another way, The Split sped up what would have happened a decade later when Big Tobacco wouldn't have been allowed to subsidize racing to attract new customers anymore.

If we’re talking about goofy broadcasting btw, I’m reminded that F1’s lead commentator is David Croft.

The old Speed Channel was awesome and when Fox took it over. It was all NASCAR all the time and it was overkill

I think people hving a 1 race run in a season is okay and beneficial or get people from touring car racing into NASCAR like Marcus Ambrose. Yes he wasn’t a success but was always upfront on road courses and with NASCAR moving that way touring car drivers could be far more competitive

Before his win in the most recent Daytona 500, Michael McDowell was known mostly for that crash in qualifying at TMS that was shown toward the end of the video.

@evanrlocke

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that Reutimann?

@evanrlocke

2 жыл бұрын

Nope...it wasn't...man, I always associated that crash with Reutimann, not McDowell...

Good video. Pretty much agree. I live the classics. I go Back watching all kinds of old Busch, cup, truck, ietc. V8 supercars,BTTC ect. I love that Era. But this is a new Era. I don't like the playoffs or stages but I could get behind playoffs with no stages. Or if they do no cautions just what they were scored at the time of crossing. Idk. But I have found new drivers. Maybe there not the ones I feel as passionately for as I do for all of the older Gen or even Harvick even Truex, but I'm enjoying them. I still root for backmarkers, just like I did for the 90s. My biggest criticism is stages and 550 and one is gone.

Dale man I still remember that it hurt I was 21 in 2001

a) Single file restarts SHOULD be brought back at superspeedways i.e. Daytona/Talladega, and lets see what happens with Atlanta, for safety concerns. The pack is going to form up anyway so there's no reason to glom them all together at the green flag when, as seen in overtime, an accident can easily wipe out half the field before turn one. b) Paradoxically, the presence of start and park teams was an effect of the health of the series at the time. The money was there to be had so teams took it. There should be a rule should this ever become a thing again is that cars that suffer no issues must attempt to complete every lap or forfeit their winnings. c) The more gimmicks you have on a broadcast, the less confident you are in the product being entertaining. I think the decline in viewership and attendance speaks to that affect. d) The safety is fantastic. Every time I see a Ryan Newman or Elliot Sadler wreck and that "he's gone" feeling churns up. I saw Dale die. It scarred me. I will never say they should roll back safety, they should keep making it better, but the removal of that element of life or death danger has taken some of the mystique away from the sport. Risking it all for glory has a natural appeal to the average person. It's an ugly part of the human psyche that we can romanticize such danger, but it's there. and sadly doing the right thing for the drivers hurt casual interest. They don't need to be watching if they're only watching for the wrecks and screw them, I'm just saying that's part of why NASCAR will never reach the popularity it once had. A justifiable sacrifice of popularity.

@shawnchristianson324

2 жыл бұрын

Single file packs are insanely boring at the super speedways. Safety is very important yes but nascar is always going to be inherently dangerous. Nobody wants to watch a single file train

@randomlyentertaining8287

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for acknowledging that the removal of most of the danger from the sport has affected the audience. I think George Carlin said it best in a special, round about way. "That's the only reason I watch auto racing. I'm waiting for some accidents man. I want to see some cars on fire...I want to see the pits explode. I want to see a car doing a 200 mile an hour cartwheel. Hey, where else but auto racing am I going to see a 23 car collision and not be in the damn thing?" Now I think a lot of what he said was in jest but still. That is one of the special things that only really happens in NASCAR and while you don't wish to see anyone die from it, there's something primal about seeing 10, 20, 30 cars sliding every which way, doing mid air flat spins, rolling 5-10 times, hitting into each other like bumper cars. Plus a lot of people like flirting with danger. It's why we have skydiving and bunjee jumping.

I'm glad qualifying engines are gone because that was so expensive

I made a post defending Simone Biles earlier this year defending her, and using Jimmie Johnson's 2017 Pocono crash as an example, and proudly declaring that NASCAR is far safer than Olympic Gymnastics. Since 2001, that should always be taken as a point of pride, that something that used to be so dangerous has become one of the safer sports, surpassing football and other contact sports.

@Saldivinorum

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly facts like that of NASCAR statistically being less dangerous than a sport filled by mostly women is why it's now a child's version of what it once was. Just my outdated opinion mind you, but that's kind of silly when I think about it in those statistical points. How's a driver supposed to get fully ramped up with adrenaline with the knowledge that they're safer than people in sparkling tights twirling around a stage?

I think people also fail to remember the quirky random rules that NASCAR would throw out in the early 90s. Like odd and even car pit cycles

1. Racing back to the caution is something that needed to be gone. I still remember the wreck that forced that change. 2. Digger and Friends. Fox broadcasts became an absolute shit show in the 00's. 3. Darrell Waltrip. The guy became a clown. Him shouting "BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY!" was the most cringe worthy thing the sport has ever seen. Especially as time went on he became increasingly out of touch with the racing and the behavior of the cars. Oh and the roughly 3 years it took him to struggle with the pronouns on "Let's go racing, boys!" after Danica was in the field was unbelievable.

@evanwilliams6406

2 жыл бұрын

Darrell Waltrip was better early on in his FOX stint because he had been there and he knew all the drivers and how the cars drive, as time went on though he really could not relate to how the cars drove, he did drive the Car of Tommorow in the Drive and Ride so he knew how it worked but then once DW established all he did was the Boogity Boogity Boogity and pretty much was playing a part on Tv using the same phrases "For Pete's sake!" or "you got to be kidding me?"

@RoxChaseDi9

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanwilliams6406 Also when someone wrecked he'll always say either NOOOOO or OOOOH OOOOOH or when a Wreck nearly happen he always threw a bunch of Obnoxius Screams saying AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH or OH HE TURNED HIM HE TURNED EMMM Idk which one of the two is worse... Darrell Or Michael

@MinivanMegafun100

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanwilliams6406 True. The fame of tv really went to his head and he became nothing but a catchphrase soundboard. The other thing I couldn't stand is for someone who was known as an outspoken driver, as a broadcaster he became a complete Nascar mouthpiece. Michael Waltrip became a joke with the broadcasts as well. The "grid walk" was painful. It was sad to see Mike Joy get dragged down by the clown show in the booth. He joined in on it with the catchphrases and encouraged it. It made the Fox broadcasts unbearable to listen to eventually. Give me Alan Bestwick doing play by play and a crew chief like Andy Petree or Steve Letarte, and a driver that has some charisma like Jeff Burton or Dale Jr.

I do not agree with engine reliability. the whole point of a racing engine is supposed to be building an innovative, on the ragged edge drive train. I hope you don't think the eventual move to hybrids will be a smooth one. Get ready for a lot more failures. Those reliability issues showed yet another skill that has gone by the wayside in this sport. The ability to be so in tune with the machine your operating that you can drive to the car's edge and not step over that line. In the 80's/90's you couldn't just drive flat out all day long. You had to take care of the equipment and make sure it would be around at the end of the race to have a chance. That's where "To finish first, you must first finish" came from. As far as the broadcasts, I don't want to hear about how bare bones 90's broadcasts were. That was the GOOD thing. I'm not a cat. I don't need shiny bells and whistles, I need the commentators explaining the on track action, the pit reporters giving quality information and the damn advertisements to be more than 6 laps apart. I don't need 3/4ths of my screen during the actual racing filled with advertising vomit and scoring ticker. I WANT TO WATCH THE RACE. I don't care what anyone says, the Chase/playoff system is stupid, and coupled with the stage racing, it's absolutely drummed up sports entertainment WWE style bullcrap. You want to know why racing was 'better' in the old days? because they mostly didn't need that crap to keep people's interest. Between the personalities being able to SHOW THEIR PERSONALITY instead of being robotic advertising pitch men who act 100% proper 100% of the time, and the fact that they paid 5 pts for leading a lap/5 pts for leading the most laps, THEY DIDN'T NEED DRUMMED UP YELLOWS MID RACE to close things back up for a pass for the lead to happen. Drivers got motivated knowing they HAD to catch the leader and stop them from leading the most laps. There was a possible 10 points on the line for every driver in every race just because they could lead a lap and the most laps. Modern fans don't know what they don't know and I do know what I miss about LEGITIMATE racing.

@FloridaManRacer

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhaas2523 It's only about entertainment today. The main priority USED to be about legitimate sports. That's what Bill France Jr. focused on and that's what led it to being #2 behind football in popularity. Today's BULLSHIT is sports entertainment. And Bill Sr and Jr are rolling in their graves over their pillhead 3rd generation turning it into the joke it is now.