“When they tore the Tesla Model 3 apart, they found out everything was wrong with it. Because it actually was a Model S”

@CLOUDTECHADVISOR

4 жыл бұрын

Thats true :)))))))))))

@HarunARosid-zf1bq

4 жыл бұрын

Yo I like this comment

@pokey47

4 жыл бұрын

Totally an S.

@umeshofficial13

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@Sid_Personal_

4 жыл бұрын

Lars van der Hooft indeed. Thought same 😂😂

„He tears apart a Tesla Model 3“ Shows Tesla Model S🤦🏼‍♂️

@kyleweedon5851

4 жыл бұрын

Lucas Oehms yeah wtf was thinking the same thing lol

@muderer_executioner

4 жыл бұрын

Possibly because he has torn apart the model 3

@nicoleqte

4 жыл бұрын

Same with showing a Volt when he refers to the Bolt.

@ssebuchugilbert9950

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@koser19721

4 жыл бұрын

@@muderer_executioner j

GUY: tesla's body is too complex ELON: hold my cybertruck's single piece of folded steel

@thefirstsin

4 жыл бұрын

They be like: *_surprised pickachu face_*

@elmera4411

4 жыл бұрын

It's not folded. Rather it's cut up and welded together at angles

@MrMCKlebeband

3 жыл бұрын

@@elmera4411 www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/teslas-origami-style-design-cybertruck-stainless-steel-exoskeleton

@visiontransformation

3 жыл бұрын

They fid recognise that the cybertruck is avove all competitors

@H0B0J03

3 жыл бұрын

Elon took this advice waaay too far

He said "Nobody would be able to catch up" Nobody has yet, 7 years later. They didn't even realise they had the model S that's how far behind they are.

@atraioiztherat9063

4 жыл бұрын

Miyuden lmao

@doudsbass

4 жыл бұрын

Stan Mayer Nikola Tesla Walter Russell Nassim Haramein ...

@miyuden4118

4 жыл бұрын

@@doudsbass Any of them managed to build cars for the public worldwide? I would have loved if Stan Mayer would have done it to before his death. I like the idea of tanking only water to drive.

@foreverinteriors

4 жыл бұрын

Munro and associates tore apart a model S last winter. stock footage as most results were the same

@miyuden4118

3 жыл бұрын

@Kaven Gilbert Hahahahahaha, I'm waiting. Will they do Solar Panels too? Power Peak stations? Charging infrastructure? I'm happy when they catch up, competition is great, but eat Tesla? No way.

“The body is too stiff” well that too stiff body earned a perfect 5 stars in crash test and is the safest vehicle you can buy so...

@fudgeyou3827

5 жыл бұрын

Mike Wright and production delays have nearly driven Tesla off a cliff with cash reserves becoming dangerously low

@themightydash1714

5 жыл бұрын

Only it didn't get a perfect 5 star score though did it. On the IIHS tests it had a brake failure and a seatbelt failure.

@fudgeyou3827

5 жыл бұрын

THiNk aBoUt it. How would this impact auto insurance business? Auto insurers are better off with fewer fatal accidents to pay out to. Insurance works better if no one gets in accidents given government forces everyone to have auto insurance.

@primecyber1

5 жыл бұрын

@@themightydash1714 I don't believe IIHS tests are out for the model 3, can you share a link?

@thewarblogger5403

5 жыл бұрын

www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/national-highway-traffic-safety-administration-issues-statement-about-new-car "NHTSA does not distinguish safety performance beyond that rating, thus there is no "safest" vehicle among those vehicles achieving 5-star ratings."

0:20 says tesla model 3 shows old model s. 0:37 says chevy bolt shows a chevy volt. Great work.

@ucefkh

5 жыл бұрын

it's good journalism man! spent 0.3 seconds on google hhh

@smirkingdevil

5 жыл бұрын

That is mainstream media for you.

@lukewoolner

5 жыл бұрын

AND the thumbnail

@CraigGood

5 жыл бұрын

That kind of attention to detail is why you should never trust Bloomberg.

@ankstuhful

5 жыл бұрын

I watched to just criticize because the thumbnail was wrong. Wow.

I hate when the supposed underlying music is louder than voice over. I hate it.

@amichael4681

3 жыл бұрын

same here, how about no music

@garsonprice3441

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I couldn't even listen to this video.

@Maulinator69

3 жыл бұрын

It's especially true on pointless videos and narratives... just like this one.

@mkjayakumar

3 жыл бұрын

Agree Cut the idiotic music. This video is loaded with content that is explained by the experts. What bloody value does the background music add here? Dramatization? Hate it. Cut it.

@headrecdsm

3 жыл бұрын

Subtle poke at Christopher Nolan

**names all the reason that it has a perfect crash test rate**

@danyala.1659

4 жыл бұрын

He's right about the issues with the metal frame. I believe those have been resolved now.

@thibo2107

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Polz the bmw i3 had a better Crash rating and saying if it is to hard to built doesnt mean it is safer

@isailopez4132

4 жыл бұрын

also i8 costs about three teslas.. and very unreliable 😂

@eduardosalamanca3808

3 жыл бұрын

@@danyala.1659 yes but these morons in the comments are just sucking dick for Tesla, it's an awesome vehicle way ahead than everyone in the case of electric vehicles but their manufacturing is too hard and slow, even though the CEO has always said that but yet these people can never accept some problems

@danyala.1659

3 жыл бұрын

@@eduardosalamanca3808 Yeah, I completely agree with you! I am looking to purchase a Model 3, it is an incredible vehicle. Despite this, I believe that Tesla must be held accountable for their mistakes just as ALL other manufacturers are. People have a tendency to forget that after all, Tesla is a for-profit company and Elon Musk is just another billionaire. Even Tony Stark (Iron Man) made his riches from selling weapons of mass destruction; no one becomes a billionaire by doing good.

Talking about Model 3 but showing clip of Model S. Lol. Great work.

@naguoning

5 жыл бұрын

Almost as good as the advert that showed a model S with an ICE drive train in it....

@Neojhun

5 жыл бұрын

Chevy BOLT with a B. Stock Image shown is a Volt with V a Hybrid.

@AaronCunningham

5 жыл бұрын

All they know is smear

@Vlad-pt6eg

5 жыл бұрын

if they just improves their manufacturing process they would be making a lot more money everything else is great

@Kevin_Roche

5 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment the same thing lol

The music in this video isn't loud enough. You can still hear what the man is saying.

@ljc6141

5 жыл бұрын

When you can't handle criticism and just want to drown out anyone who offers an alternative viewpoint.

@marius8032

5 жыл бұрын

Gg

@gbalias361

5 жыл бұрын

Amen --

@scottsfreeny5825

5 жыл бұрын

You're the man!

@goopah

5 жыл бұрын

Why anyone even NEEDS music in an informational video is beyond me. And if you gotta have it, please at least check your levels before you drop your video.

Up date, Tesla can now cast the largest aluminum parts in the auto industry. Reducing the number of parts in the body by hundreds.

@franchocou

3 жыл бұрын

U mean stamping right?

@DrThunder2004

3 жыл бұрын

@@franchocou nope, he means casting. using an aluminum alloy tesla came up with in house that does not need to be heat treated afterward.

@bunzeebear2973

3 жыл бұрын

Aluminum is a beach to fix once it gets a crinkle in a car crash. I know. My car had an aluminum hood, and when I rear ended some truck I was using a sledge hammer to bend back the metal. That is on a 1965 MGB. It can't be heat treated as aluminum will not glow red hot but will break apart like a jigsaw puzzle. It can't be heat shrunk. Steel can which is why they use steel.

@Cello69.

3 жыл бұрын

Eric, you sir are correct! 🙂

@JK-ku2mj

3 жыл бұрын

@@franchocou its casting

Interesting to note two years later Sandy is a HUGE Tesla fan and can't say enough about how quickly Tesla adapts and how many change orders they make every year literally adopting many of Sandy's suggestions and more like the octovalve and huge casting of the Y's rear...🚗

“Tesla’s Model 3..” *Model S 2012 rolls up*

@Dankman9

5 жыл бұрын

"Chevy Bolt" shows a picture of a Volt.

@ralanham76

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dankman9 I still can't figure out why GM named that way unless they plan to stop selling Volts.

@Dankman9

5 жыл бұрын

Probably has something to do with that bailout money. Also in most of europe they have the same name (Opel Ampera) but the bolt gets an "-E" attached to the end. So maybe they kind of see it as a different version of the same car? Kind of like a civic hatchback compared to a sedan hybrid? I dunno just pulling stuff out of my ass like they did. ;)

0:20 model 3? That’s a model S

@DFWL

5 жыл бұрын

And it even is one of the old ones.

@santiagovilla6219

5 жыл бұрын

yep, kinda fucked it up no?

@barryhayes7164

5 жыл бұрын

They also showed a Chevy Volt, not Bolt.

@KalleKofot

5 жыл бұрын

In America 2018 Jan to Sep Tesla sold 114102 cars, All other brand Ev sold 28846 cars. Just a fun fact.

@o.m.a.c.454

5 жыл бұрын

That showed an old generation of the Model S and not a Model 3! Whoever did the video edit didn’t know what the heck they were editing. Hey Bloomberg you should make a correction video to show the right Tesla model.

"Tears down a Model 3" **Model S rolls in**

@dealerovski82

4 жыл бұрын

"thats relativity folks."

@foreverinteriors

4 жыл бұрын

Munro and associates tore apart a model S last winter. stock footage as most results were the same

@themartianway

3 жыл бұрын

@@foreverinteriors soo... you're an apologist.

@foreverinteriors

3 жыл бұрын

@@themartianway i have no idea what you're talking about? I suspect you're an EV and ICE novice but smarter than everyone and probably make no mistakes in front of the camera either. Sandy's is an adviser Tesla and has interviewed Musk on his show. There u go mister perfect.

The title feels like humans tore apart an alien spacecraft from area 51 lol

@packratswhatif.3990

4 жыл бұрын

Well Elon Musk is from another world to begin with ..... sooooo .......

@thisisntsergio1352

4 жыл бұрын

@@packratswhatif.3990 true. He's trying to get back to Mars.

Hate to break it to you but that is a Tesla Model S

@trucker0werner

5 жыл бұрын

ok they use image from model s and x but what he has is a model 3 body

@marcie104

5 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say!! 😂

@BOBCAT2001ify

5 жыл бұрын

They also got the Chevy names wrong.... it’s a Chevy Volt not a Chevy Bolt.

@MrIzzy5466

5 жыл бұрын

The edit is sloppy and incorrect. The Engineer actually knows what he is talking about, the film crew is just dumb and show the wrong cars. Engineer is actually talking about the 3

@13Omood

5 жыл бұрын

Actually there are 2 different kinds. The Chevy Volt and the Chevy Bolt coming out in 2019. Maybe he tested this car early. It's very possible. I don't know where it shows the bolt and bmw so check if it is a bolt or not.

"Tesla model 3" , shows a Old Model S

@heysiri4935

5 жыл бұрын

Steven Colbare How was his comment anti Elon?

@shellderp

5 жыл бұрын

This is bloomberg what do you expect

@dicktapping8259

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Siri it's bloomberg and a lot of lefties reside here?

@Ateal317

5 жыл бұрын

Tadeu Ferreira clicked on this video just to comment this lol

@stevebollinger3463

5 жыл бұрын

And they said Chevy Bolt and showed a picture of a Volt.

Ford is just trying to figure out how to build it so it has to be rebuilt every 5k miles

@foreverinteriors

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? that doesn't make sense

@laserfalcon

4 жыл бұрын

@@foreverinteriors Ford has a disaster on its hands with the Ford focus and fiesta transmissions that need rebuilt every 5 k miles. If that

@foreverinteriors

4 жыл бұрын

LaserFalcon so that’s what the problem is, a limited supply transmission that’s built by a German company and has a 50k lifespan. That’s what going to bring down the 115 year old company that builds 6 million car per year. That one transmission? Really? Why are u fixated with this? Why? How does it affect your world. We have a virus problem buddy

@rrs_13

4 жыл бұрын

@@foreverinteriors As much as most Ford fanboys are also electric haters, and as much as I would like for every company to get over the ICE (it's charming but it has run its course), I would hate to see such a company fail. From reasons of thousands of workers being laid off, to automotive legacy being lost, no true car fan would want that. Even Elon states that he doesn't want to bankrupt anyone, just "accelerate the advent of the electric car". Which I agree partially, and partially because it shouldn't be accelerated, it should already be a thing.

@foreverinteriors

4 жыл бұрын

rrs fine but we don’t have to move faster. The earth isn’t going to blow up. I think we need to be methodical and precise. The faster we move, the more errors we make and the more people get hurt. I don’t like any fanboys, be it Tesla or Ford. They are biased and stupid. They simple divide people. They are also not the majority. I like Tesla , I like what they represent, what they build and how they engineer product. I like Ford and all the other products ICE, it’s my industry and the one I grew up in. Life is better when we don’t divide.

No one has really caught up, 7 years later so it can’t be that bad

@GuardianTiger

4 жыл бұрын

IKR even elon musk had to say that

@tonymac1971

4 жыл бұрын

Marius Ipad ok mate. Who’s stock is down from this Coronavirus crash in the stock market. All companies bar Tesla. You realise tesla has been innovating since 2003 no one else has made a decent electric car until last year and even so the range is shit and the price is high af. Tesla is in the game of developing the cheapest cars if you didn’t know that you are fucking stupid. What do you think the mass amount of people want, people who don’t care about brands or cars? They just look for a cheap efficient cars.

@Dimitri88888888

4 жыл бұрын

@Marius Ipad Do you have any proof of the Rimac having "far above" in therms of batteries then tesla. I am not a tesla fanboy nor do i plan on ever buying a tesla but i am just curious where you got that info.

@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX

3 жыл бұрын

you're right. You don't catch up to the loser, you catch up to BMW, Porsche, VAG, Rimac, Rivian, etc. Tesla=Trash

@tonymac1971

3 жыл бұрын

Scott Graham nah mate tesla is the innovator, others catch a free ride which is fine.

I've worked in the automotive racing industry for years... A chassis that's to stiff is something you don't hear about.

@mr.a5147

5 жыл бұрын

I've worked in consumer automotive product development for over ten years. And I too, can say the words "the chassis is too stiff" have never been used.

@mattlane2282

5 жыл бұрын

Racing... where motors are torn apart after each race... Cars are driven for no time on... what kinda track? Wrecked and rebuilt... Vs the real world... just because you all are clueless... don't mean anything. I've seen tow trucks from the 60's with plates frames, all broken in half... cause... NO FLEX IN FRAME, FRAME TOO STIFF FROM PLATING... EVERYTHING has flex... and it is designed into the vehicles...

@mr.a5147

5 жыл бұрын

Wow, I guess you do know what you're talking about Matt. Because tow trucks from the 60's definitely represent built to a budget mass produced production cars of 2018. "Hur dur EVERYTHING has flex.." Great analysis you drop kick. Vehicles have engineered chassis torsional rigidity. Read - That Tesla is built that way for a reason. Probably something to do with the ~200kg of batteries in the floor and insane torque the electric motors produce.

@mattlane2282

5 жыл бұрын

Not my fault that the 60s is when we learned things tesla still does not know. BTW any diesel pick up is putting out way more torque lol... tesla just feels like it has more power because it makes that power right away... Actually pick ups now have even MORE frame flex than they did 30 years ago... as again... we learned many many moons ago you MUST have flex or else things will break... so them saying things were too stiff... could be a very valid issues but all you retards thing stiff = safe... yet everything is made to crumple... rofl... to be safe... So ya its 2018 and tesla is still back in the 40's not my fault...

@mattlane2282

5 жыл бұрын

oh let me add, they took a MASS PRODUCED PICK UP TRUCK... and plated the frame to make it "stronger" ... it took all the flex out... then... they were all breaking in half... cause... FRAME WAS TOO STIFF... so... again not my fault that the words "too stiff" was never heard to you...

Awesome editing - mentioning a Model 3 and showing a Model S 😂. Please fire the editor!

@willblum490

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@shaneebahera8566

5 жыл бұрын

also saying chevy bolt and showing a chevy volt

@garethfairclough8715

5 жыл бұрын

I had to look it up. I had no idea there was such a thing as a Chevy Bolt! Volt/Bolt...I thought someone had made a typo in the script... I think the folks at chevy really ought to rethink that name. There's a lot of room for confusion there.

@lyomon9981

5 жыл бұрын

Fire its too much dont be stupid

@Rajathnaik7

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Good thing that they fixed all those issues in the *_CYBERTRUCK_*

@scottgriggs2596

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Sure they did. Building a concept vehicle is no demonstration of technical prowess. Thousands of guys build custom cars in their garages. Flipping a switch and building 2000 vehicles a day *profitably* is the real test.

@albaraqahtani

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Griggs their pre-existing tech is a live-evidence of their vehicles , so please shut up

@Maxaker

4 жыл бұрын

What they listed are no issues, they make the car better, they are issues from their perspective because it makes it more complex to manufacture, but instead of making their product worse, tesla comes up with better manufacturing techniques

@kevinbreslin7224

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think they fixed the excessive rigidity problem. "This truck shows Tesla doesn't know what flex is" To be fair the truck window didn't flex enough that one time.

"these are neodidium magnets"

@benlawton5420

4 жыл бұрын

"We don't know what type of motor it is" Really... you're supposed to be an engineer, YOU SHOULD KNOW.

@archuna11

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaa

@kodaph

3 жыл бұрын

@@benlawton5420 what a flop. Tesla's design must've been from an Alien tech

@lookoutforchris

3 жыл бұрын

@@benlawton5420 it’s a new type of motor with some strange characteristics. I can see how it would take them a while to understand it. It basically combines the features of a permanent magnet motor with those of a synchronous reluctance motor. So you get the very high starting torque of permanent magnets but the very high speed efficiency of a reluctance and minimal back-emf. The permanent magnets are made of an assembly of several glued together in order to prevent eddy currents and excess heat generation. It’s an incredibly innovative motor.

@benlawton5420

3 жыл бұрын

@@lookoutforchris It's an IPM-synRM and it's not very new, the Nissan leaf has 2 of them.

Munro and Associates are well known industry veterens and were impressed with the model 3 tore down. This computer on wheels is a game changer

Correct me if I'm wrong. The "German" stripdown actually *praised* Tesla for only using 3 (4?) Types of screw, where BMW (etc) used 40? Yet this contradicts that. Something's fishy!

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe the German stripdown was less than a year old? Munore got a hold of one of the early model 3s and they released their report almost a year ago.

@JOnTHeMOnSoon

5 жыл бұрын

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 that's not even a Model 3 bro

@JimFeig

5 жыл бұрын

They didn't like the number of body parts and awkward steps that are needed to join them together.

@rogerstarkey5390

5 жыл бұрын

@@KalleKofot Hey! Idiot! If they *specifically* "introduce" a Model 3, then later *specifically* compare it to a Chevy Bolt, but *both* times, use footage of the wrong vehicle, doesn't it indicate that either; 1) The reporter doesn't know what they're talking about? 2) The reporter didn't watch the finished article and request a correction. 3) The reporter and/ or production staff simply weren't concerned about accuracy or professional integrity? What does that say about the rest of the report? Should it be taken seriously?

@zolikoff

5 жыл бұрын

It's good if you have a design that accomplishes the same thing with only 3 screw types instead of 40. But if your design does that at the cost of being a completely shit design, then it's not worth it, is it.

0:36 "And chevy bolt" 2nd gen volt shows up. *face palm*

@seanm.9334

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nick.964 I'm pretty sure it's Bolt Universally

But sir, "they" didn't build it (thank God!). Tesla did, and you're right, everybody else is just trying to get traction in the market, much less catch up.

@wymple09

3 жыл бұрын

My daughter has a Volt, and I know several others who do. They are wonderful pieces at far less money than a Tesla.

@thorH.

3 жыл бұрын

I really like Tesla, but you’re biased and a cult follower or sty like that

This ‘reversed engineered’ Tesla is now sold to China for their future ‘Tasle’. They promised to fix the rigidity problem lol.

@aycc-nbh7289

4 жыл бұрын

But since Tesla also has a Chinese market now, they could sue for IP rights infringement...

@naveenahsn

4 жыл бұрын

TASLE, ha ha ha. What a rip off car name. They could get the reverse engineered all those file's. But software is not easy as it looks. I think so.

@aegiselectric5805

3 жыл бұрын

@@aycc-nbh7289 a foreign company basically can't sue a Chinese company. The courts and laws there are highly protective of natives. And if by some miracle a case gets past those hurdles, there will be other pressures on you to drop it. China is a fucked up place in so many ways, and the more you learn about it, the more you realize that your Western paradigm does not apply.

I think most Tesla owners will agree with me that once you own a Tesla you will never go back to purchasing gas vehicle. I love my model x.

@jyo5764

5 жыл бұрын

Wish I had enough money to buy model x :*(

@rogerstarkey5390

5 жыл бұрын

@Brian Anxieton You REALLY need to check your information! (I was going to say "facts", but that wouldn't be accurate).

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

5 жыл бұрын

Nissan Leaf owners say the same. Electric cars are just way better to drive.

@Amuzic

5 жыл бұрын

Japan, China, Australia, Europe and even some countries in Middle east have the Tesla supercharging network.

@armanddesarrierespays719

5 жыл бұрын

Have a look at their map then... I did a 1'960 km trip using superchargers between western Switzerland, France, Spain and Portugal, it was super easy and convenient to use.

Thank you Bloomberg, for so impartially reporting on a brand that competes with your own brand within the Bloomberg family. Incredible journalistic integrity...

"His latest project, Tesla Model 3" *Proceeds to show a model S*

@miketheyunggod2534

4 жыл бұрын

ruben mateus what's the difference?

@rubenmateus6514

4 жыл бұрын

@@miketheyunggod2534 Both are different models from Tesla, model 3 is much cheaper with a starting price of 46.000€ while model S has a starting price of around 70.000+€ (not exactly sure what's the starting price), model S is a better car overall, but with this is more expensive. You can look that up in Tesla website

Well seeing as you've featured a Model S and not a 3, and also mentioned the wrong Chevy - I think you need to go back to the drawing board 😒

@goclunker

5 жыл бұрын

Daewoo* Fixed that for you lol

@jackkelly4143

5 жыл бұрын

Not only was it a model s and not a 3 but it is an old one not the refreshed ones. (New ones without the plastic piece in front)

@richardvandergraaff1394

5 жыл бұрын

Samuel Brooks i knew it wasnt a model 3 it was the old model s desing

@galacticguardian575

5 жыл бұрын

Samuel Brooks facts facts😂😭

@spacearchie8817

5 жыл бұрын

Yea... Wrong Tesla... But they did say the right Chevy. They said Bolt.

Why are people so upset about his review, if someone told me you have an amazing world leading , popular product , BUT I think you have the potential to produce it more quickly and more cheaply , I would be like Thank you for the free advice and keep it in mind when it comes to redesigning the manufacturing process for the future models.

@ihatemacs9

5 жыл бұрын

great comment, you've restored my hope that KZread commenters are capable of rational thought

@brandonmedeiros33

4 жыл бұрын

@@ihatemacs9 i have to agree these comments im reading is why i think the internet was the worst invention in the history of mankind

@eksine

4 жыл бұрын

Or you can say, watch your back old man, I'm the Musk

@ClydeAlexander

4 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a true MBA. Show me the bottom line.

@larryspiller15

4 жыл бұрын

The annoying part about it is Tesla is already making these improvements from the future model Y and its not because sandy said so or anything like that. It's because they learned and are constantly improving. Its like backseat driving/captain hindsight etc. I do partially agree though but Bloomberg rarely gives Tesla a fair shake.

Ford workers didn’t find any KFC in the door panels like they do at their factories

@nimriffirmin4937

4 жыл бұрын

Oh... having spent a few years in latin america... that comment of yours is so funny. It is almost laughable when they load on chicken before or as they get inside the airports. They almost cry when their precious Pollo Campero is thrown into the garbage. But i have to give it to them... their chicken is really good!

It's surprising what you can find on KZread . Fascinating, thank you for posting !

Wow there was a lot of B roll videos from 2011 of Model S betas...

@chinainfoxyz

5 жыл бұрын

and now we know that's all is wrong, he dissasembly wrong car

@tachobrenner

5 жыл бұрын

@@chinainfoxyz blin😂

@delh1415

5 жыл бұрын

xyz lol 😂

"We watched a video from a supposedly reputable organisation, (Bloomberg), but found it to be biased, sloppy, and full of errors......"

@fudgeyou3827

5 жыл бұрын

Roger Starkey how was it biased, sloppy, and full of errors

@FirstLast-lm8tf

5 жыл бұрын

"supposedly" is right. I frequently find inaccuracies in bloomberg news

@lukealiciouss

5 жыл бұрын

That wasn't a model 3 they showed, it was a Model S that's a few years old. They showed the Chevy Volt instead of volt in the picture. They obviously don't know what they're talking about and don't have common sense.

@supportervandeeuropeseunie1625

5 жыл бұрын

Also the electric engine of Tesla as can be seen at 3:12 is a bit worrisome to me. Those silk wires can snap over time by just unravelling. If one of it does, it could set the engine on fire. I had this once with a €19.- fan. I'm quite disappointed to see this in a car with that price tag. Also, neodynium isn't used by German and the Japanese due to the Chinese monopoly on neodynium mining. China is using their monopoly position to force the handover of intellectual property by giving this to Chinese-based competitors in a "cooperative agreement". Also, neodynium mining is very bad for the environment. This is why the Germans and Japanese use copper-only engines.

@rogerstarkey5390

5 жыл бұрын

@@fudgeyou3827 You *really* have to ask?

Tesla’s not perfect but still amazing what they’ve achieved so far.

@aminfozdar

Жыл бұрын

Have you read the other comments about how incorrect this video is?.

Bloomberg never did a follow up of this story, however thanks to Munro and associates we know how it improved in space of 2 years

at least you haven't disabled comments...

@austinhendricks5487

5 жыл бұрын

Donatas Simkus golden

@lucasrem

5 жыл бұрын

Donatas Simkus People here just cry, not understanding R&D, this is an oldskool guy, it's engineer around the battery solution. Why you need this Bloomberg content, or the KZread reactions on chat... Investors are skum people, you just can't trust them!!!! Low level cry people will never understand anything, they just cry.

@TheFlyingBobbCatGeo

5 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@kencrowley4573

5 жыл бұрын

e

@baltimoredrummer1

5 жыл бұрын

Guess who would have disabled the comments?

A stiff chassis is exactly what you want for good handling.

@patstenzel

5 жыл бұрын

I love stiff on's

@mlee6050

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure irl but on games I like stiffer for handling

@soraaoixxthebluesky

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, unlike motorcycle, I mean race motorcycle, with car you want the chassis to be as stiff as possible so that you can hand all the handling job to the suspension system. This will improve not only handling performance but increase a predictability of a suspension when tuning.

@benthurber5363

4 жыл бұрын

Diminishing returns. You're limited by connections like rubber bushings in the suspension. After a certain point, you're just adding weight and potentially removing energy-absorbtion. I imagine the reason for the stiffness is just to prevent flexing the battery pack. You don't want to stress the connections nor disrupt the contact of the cells with the thermal management system.

@thibo2107

4 жыл бұрын

But not what you need in a road car it is just more expensive

Tesla's frame is probably safer than this old man's ideas.

@NJTDover

4 жыл бұрын

This old man is a brilliant engineer with a vast trajectory in Detroit. You, on the other hand, are a disrespectful poor sod making nonsensical comments. I'm pretty sure that Elon did pay attention to this old man's constructive criticism.

@drwhat4395

4 жыл бұрын

@@NJTDover I am sure this old man was very intelligent, but like anything new, things get missed. You on the other hand must have a low IQ.

@DarkstarNovembr

4 жыл бұрын

@@drwhat4395 "you on the other hand must have a low IQ" well that instantly shows how smart you are. ...... not very

Man cars actually seem so much simpler when they're electric. Granted I don't understand any of the stuff that makes it work like I do with a gas car, but man it really simplifies things. A battery, a motor, a control system for both and your good to go. Makes previous cars seem a little overcooked.

did anyone in the comments even watch the video? they clearly said that its the BEST electric car you can buy! they are ahead of everyone else in terms of battery, motor, software, everything. the only thing they criticised is the production cost in essence. they made the body too complex which lowers their profit margins & their compeitiveness. if they had collaborated with ANY car manufactuerer. noone could catch up / build a better car then them. thats about the highest praise anyone could get. and all comments are like theyre bashing tesla? where? its constructive criticism. they also mentioned that elon musk said they had improved since then.

@fliptopmedia

5 жыл бұрын

Ali Alexander this isn’t a us vs them scenario, what people are saying in defense of tesla is that the man in the Video stated the cars are “too stiff” and the chassis are “too complex” , when this chassis is the very reason the car handles so immensely and has the highest rated crash test scores. This man is used to seeing a Cost Effective Moderately constructed car chassis, its a market normal, his criticism was that it could be put together in less pieces, be a bit less rigid, and be produced faster. A major selling point for tesla however is having the safest car in history, a feat not achievable with the normal chassis tachniques employed by toyota, gmc etc. no us vs them, teslas are great. Its annoying that people look to hate on them, its an American car.

@jironmeister

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. You get it.

@acadianalien

4 жыл бұрын

@Ali Alexander I will agree there are many fanboys, but you have to agree that there WAYYYY more critics out there who outright deny reality when it comes to Tesla being the future leader in the car industry. Out of context quotes, giving sales numbers without context, constantly mentioning ''competitors'' that never seem to deliver, etc. After a while you really start doubting videos like this

@brandonmedeiros33

4 жыл бұрын

i totally agree im reading these comments and wodered if i watched the same video

@brandonmedeiros33

4 жыл бұрын

@@fliptopmedia he is an engineer that knows way more about chasis than you will ever know damn whats wrong with you people the guy says the car is noy only the best in every area except one the chasis and everyone is bashing him the guy is an expert in making vehicles none of anyone on this comment area knows better he even says with a better chasis it would be even better since they arte way ahead of the game

It's stiff for 2 reasons, one there are battery packs in the floors and 2 that chassis has to deal with the instant torque of powerful electric motors

@bergrud

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Tell him. I am sure you know best.

@PabloGonzalez-hv3td

4 жыл бұрын

@@bergrud - Then I'm not sure you understand the properties of electric motors or the consequences of deforming lithium batteries if the Model 3 had a poor crash rating he would have a point but it's in fact the complete opposite

@nomebear

4 жыл бұрын

It's also crash worthy, and out performs anything Detroit builds when it comes to impacts.

@PabloGonzalez-hv3td

4 жыл бұрын

@@nomebear - Absolutely every performance car I've ever reviewed or purchased promotes how much stiffer a chassis is compared to a previous generation this is the first time I've heard a stiff chassis that isn't even defective be referred to in a negative light I'm starting to believe there is baseless anti Tesla propaganda

@bergrud

4 жыл бұрын

nomebear Yes it is. But i work with accidents and investigation. And by that experience. I do not own a tesla. Go figure.

"The design is so poor" Model 3 has the best crash rating *doubt*

I recently test drove a model 3 and yes it's insanely fast not to mention the auto pilot works like a charm. This car is very different than others for sure. Only problem is that's its high on demand and hard to find one in Tesla's inventory.

So distracting when the producer can’t even ID the correct brand names for the vehicles they are reviewing. Makes me wonder what else they got wrong.

@sarracene

5 жыл бұрын

, & look who's behind this video's publishing; what's their reason for doing it?

@AngelCintiaRockgirl

5 жыл бұрын

More like, what their real motive in doing all this, is.

@wesbruner2984

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ZbladeVX

5 жыл бұрын

they decided to bother with a tesla, theres another mistake

@AngelCintiaRockgirl

5 жыл бұрын

ZbladeVX and why?

So the worst feature is that the tesla body is built like a tank? Lol

@drewgsands

5 жыл бұрын

To rigid so what is wrong with that. Guy is to funny.

@kevinking5406

5 жыл бұрын

So are Volvos. Tesla is on to something if they can being their costs down.

@jordanbell4420

5 жыл бұрын

Tesla's often aren't painted properly, so the body won't be particularly tank-like in 5 years once its started to rust.

@davidwest6019

5 жыл бұрын

Stiffness isnt necessarily preferred, especially since it can lead to brittleness and cracking, two things that are at the top of a DFMEA of a car frame. Also they are experts, you are not. They understand exactly how a car frame should be designed and manufactured. Those welded brackets are yesteryears tech, which is probably why they found the frame to be the worst part of the car. I actually think this is pretty positive for Tesla. The frame is fairly easy to re-engineer.

@foam27

5 жыл бұрын

@@jordanbell4420 Well, the Model S is aluminum, only the Model 3 has a combination of steel and alum, I chose the S.

what they mean to say is: "this frame is so well made we think its bad because its too strong, complicated, and heavy. they should make flimsy, underdeveloped, 'lite' frames that suck ass because it makes our profit margins bigger and we don't give a damn about our customers."

@philipk4475

3 жыл бұрын

You've heard about crumple zones, right? And heavy means less fuel efficient too. Further, have you ever heard of a BMW or Chevy frame being structurally unsound, flimsy, or too flexible? Of course not.

@timothykeith1367

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipk4475Some parts of the vehicle must be "crunchy" and the passenger area must be rigid, but the dilemma is side impact - where there is little space for crumple zone. Necks that snap sideways cause terrible injuries.

You could tell how credible this story was when they said "Chevy bolt", but showed a picture of a chevy volt....Or when they "broke down" a Tesla model 3, but showed a Model S

Next video : "what engineers found in the aston martin" plot twist , ford fusion rolls up. 😄

@bombomos

5 жыл бұрын

Lmfao think God I'm not the only one that thinks Ford ripped Aston's designs

@jake3736

5 жыл бұрын

@@bombomos didnt they used to own aston martin? Therefore it's probably their design

@bombomos

5 жыл бұрын

@@jake3736 no idea my bro. I always thought Aston was a European company

@Loundsify

5 жыл бұрын

@@bombomos British

@Loundsify

5 жыл бұрын

The Ford Mondeo (Fusion for the US) isnt an appealing car to me, I think the comparison to an Aston Martin isnt correct. Maybe have similar shapes but you can't compare the two lol.

Title says Model 3. Shows Model S *_Aight Bet_*

@MrIzzy5466

5 жыл бұрын

That is the editor's fault. The engineer actually knows what he's doing. The frame he's shown working on is the model 3 frame

MUSK CULTISTS, he didn't say the car was unsafe. He's was talking about it's (industrial) engineering design principles (and they praised the true "tech" of the car). From what's shown in their breakdown, I believe there analysis in there being a crazy number of body parts and fastening types. If the car has resolved/improved these qualities, great! They're prerogative isn't to destroy Tesla, they're car nerds and veteran automotive (reverse) engineers.

@jordylorenzo

3 жыл бұрын

And we're not saying that he's saying that it's unsafe, most people here are trying to explain that because of the odd design and thickness, it's way safer in a crash.

And as of today Tesla is the highest valued and most successful car manufacturer.

Bloomberg... can you not figure out the difference between a Tesla Model S and a Tesla Model 3?

@matthewpaine6908

5 жыл бұрын

Telsa Makes a Model 3 and a Model S.

@kyronius4183

5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewpaine6908 no shit Sherlock lol

@Benzi514

5 жыл бұрын

You people are aware that what they show and what has been tested are two different things?

@elreyki

5 жыл бұрын

Talmudic Oil minions are foul and see through these days

The Tesla Model 3. *shows Model S* Just another reason to discredit Bloomberg😂

@kmorris209

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing lol. I build Model 3's and was like wait that's a model s they have on the rack lol.

@ntactime_w3488

5 жыл бұрын

*blocks bloomberg*

@acadianalien

4 жыл бұрын

@splitdog homee Dude, for every fanboy on forums and KZread comment, there are 10 times more people in the media picking apart every small detail of Tesla, while never doing the same thing for other EV companies.

@jonathanfields4ever

4 жыл бұрын

acadianalien Shut up, fanboy. You’re on a video where they say nonstop that the Model 3 is the best EV out there, but they criticize the manufacturing methods and you all have your panties in a twist. If you weren’t ridiculous fanboys you’d realize this consultancy just showed that Tesla could be more profitable if they weren’t so stubborn. You want them to succeed right? Then shut up and mix in some objectivity for once.

@DSounz

4 жыл бұрын

@@acadianalien you know something is a real good when it gets constantly attacked in the media. Tesla is a real threat to the current automotive industry.

All that talking . Mean while tesla kicking ass every year

@oferkrupka

3 жыл бұрын

Sandy Munro is a huge Tesla fan nowadays.

"his latest project; Tesla model 3" Shows model s

LOL comparison was to Chevy Bolt and they put up a picture of a Chevy Volt. Massive difference, although the names are stupidly similar.

@wiibaron

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah Model X is way different than Model S or 3...

@pacman1789

5 жыл бұрын

wiibaron They didn't even show a Model X. It was the old design of the Model S but definitely not a Model 3.

@sorrowfulsatchel679

5 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t

Stiff body to save the passengers from a fatal battery pack smash/ explosion? Sounds like a good thing to me

@Sr.Fluffioso

5 жыл бұрын

Basically what he is saying is, that there's not enough crumple/crash zones in the car. so when it wrecks we take more impact than the car does

@IncredibleSolv

5 жыл бұрын

again not true.... look carefully at the frame and all the videos where you see crashed cars... the front and back do fold and crumple and do protect the people inside

@Sr.Fluffioso

5 жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleSolv but again it was told that the frame is stiffer than usual so yes ppl will take the impact more than usual,

@IncredibleSolv

5 жыл бұрын

@@Sr.Fluffioso not unless there is absolutely no give, which I can see is not the case. Also remember that the body is mostly aluminium and the stiffness and crash protection behaviour of steel is very different and if the car was only made of steel it might be an issue with no crumple zones.

@josh_m

5 жыл бұрын

You guys know that all 3 current Tesla models are literally the safest cars you can buy, right? The probability of serious injury in a Tesla is lower than any other brand.

Hello, Can I use snapshots from this video for a company project I have been working on? Specifically only of the motor

These guys: "Everything is basically perfect and destroys all of the competition, but the only flaw is that body could be built more efficiently if they had more experience making cars-" The comment section: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

@donovanjones4175

3 жыл бұрын

You mean more cheaply, like ford

calls it a model three, its an s. calls it a bolt, its a volt. jesus christ

@torresalxndr

5 жыл бұрын

A Rural Vermonter - Qqjmcb 182 lmao, yeah pronouncing words didn’t seem to be the strong suit of this video. Did you hear him try to pronounce neodymium and mess it up? Hilarious.

@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

5 жыл бұрын

@Polydynamix wrong, the volt is a hybrid. And the picture they showed was of a volt but he said bolt

@robs1052

5 жыл бұрын

@@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182 BOOFUCKINGHOO

@tylhunt

5 жыл бұрын

He said Bolt, because he was talking about the Bolt, ya dimwit.

@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

5 жыл бұрын

it was a picture of a volt and he said bolt. Thats all there is to it

I never wanted a Tesla before, but all this hate makes me want one more. Clearly they are scaring powerful people.

@Dev-In-Denver123

5 жыл бұрын

Powerful people? The youtube commenters? Or the engineering firm lol? They don't work for anybody they do this to many cars and give analysis. Conspiracy-sheep.

@keither1982

5 жыл бұрын

Calm down there buddy.

@DorianWilson

5 жыл бұрын

LOL They (Bloomberg) work for their advertisers, of which Tesla isn't one, and many rival automakers are... How is that a conspiracy?

@DorianWilson

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not the only one who noticed clear bias, Keith.

@CommaCam

5 жыл бұрын

Dorian Wilson You're noticing something that simply isn't there. This was a positive video that basically said Tesla is ahead of its competitors on every system in the vehicle except the body, which seems like a valid point. The guy almost had an orgasm about the motor design. Did you even watch the video?

What type of motors do you call these if i were to buy just the motor itself? Are they just brush electric motors?

Elon : **watches this** few months later *Welcome to the Cybertruck Unveil*

So, basically the problem with Tesla is they're building cars that don't wear out in 10 years "like they're supposed to". Oh darn?

@PhotonHerald

5 жыл бұрын

No. They're saying there are efficiencies to be gained by reducing chassis part and fastener counts. They're also saying that mating the chassis to a slightly different suspension setup would yield improved ride and handling characteristics. That's it.

@deusexaethera

5 жыл бұрын

There are MANUFACTURING efficiencies to be gained, yes. Not necessarily higher quality. Remember, the company that disassembled the car to examine its construction is concerned primarily with evaluating its competitiveness as a mass-produced product, not its outright quality.

@snookysnax

5 жыл бұрын

Tesla's biggest problem by far is that they cannot build em' fast enough to satisfy demand.

@dco5055

5 жыл бұрын

@hyperstrike The model S they showed in the video (not 3 only talked about) has the lowest center of gravity of all EV cars along with air suspension. Ask any owner how planted and smooth that car is around a corner. The Model 3 has traditional suspension but low center of gravity. Drive one then tell me if it's over engineered. Yes they could save some time and money by doing it a little different but that's what makes Tesla.

@donkgated8074

5 жыл бұрын

@Homecomfort got it right. The video is super simple. The production process required to make the chassis is way too complicated and it's a big part of the reason why they can't hit their production target. And no, complication like this does *not* equate to overengineering (like the old Benzes) so no, it's not a guarantee of durability. In fact, with all the tech in this car, it'll cost $$$$ to keep this kind of car running for 10 years!

So everything is amazing but the body is made too well. Hahaha ok.

@jamiefly

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Richards ...er no he's saying the design of the body is over complicated, expensive to build...hence it's got a lower profit margin and why the shareholders (the owners) are concerned... see to have see this with previous car making nations.. here in the UK included

@nccmax

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, but the only problem is that it's overcomplicated. not that it is not good, just expensive. more or less they said the car is great, but it is a bit expensive to build. which if you are the owner of the car that all ready paid for it, you would be like "thumbs up".

@jarkkoaitti287

5 жыл бұрын

he also told that it was a old model and that tesla had already enhanced the process and that they are still open to make it even better. if people actually saw and understood the entire video, it was mostly a praise to tesla and the bad part about being difficult to manufacture was already at least partly fixed and still getting better. quite a positive review, any better and it would be a pure advertisement :)

@RealityIsTheNow

5 жыл бұрын

Not too well made...needlessly wastefully made. Bad for business. Didn't you see the video?

@FNLNFNLN

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, bad for business, good for the consumers who already have it.

This just shows that there is room for improvement. The cars will only get better and less expensive as Tesla continues forward.

“They could have clobbered the competition. No one could have caught up with them.” ----- And yet, even with all the “complaints,” that is exactly the case today. Mindblowing.

They have no credibility if they cant identify an IPM motor that has laminated magnets (Not halbach arrays) (Laminated magnets reduce eddy currents and improve performance). They also failed to identify that the computer hardware came from Nvidia. They are forever stuck in the Detroit old school world. Everyone else is moving on.

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

5 жыл бұрын

NVIDIA GPU is no longer used as of over a year ago. Older cars will get their mobos switched out for the new hardware.

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

5 жыл бұрын

Munroe and assoc. praised Tesla for their electronics saying hey were far ahead of the competition.

@kylehickey900

5 жыл бұрын

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Incoreect they still use Nvidia chips. The new tesla chip is not released for production yet. And Monroe still has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to advanced electronics or electric powertrains.

@ryccoh

5 жыл бұрын

It's also a switched reluctance motor

@kylehickey900

5 жыл бұрын

@@ryccoh it's an IPM motor. It has magnets but also has rotor salience so it acts like a SR motor also.

'Experts in Detroit'. Ok, from there on you lost me on credibility..

@mi16t

5 жыл бұрын

JayyEVee loooooooooooooooool omg you surely must mean experts from detroit, aka south korea aka gm korea aka daewoo lmaoooooooooooooooo

@RomrotMechanikos

5 жыл бұрын

hey in the 1920s Detroit had the most electric cars of any city in the world. and these dinosaurs are probably from that era

@goclunker

5 жыл бұрын

@@RomrotMechanikos looool yup. They still live in 1920 too

@NT-yx1os

5 жыл бұрын

Those "experts" will more likely to steal ideas from tesla and sell them(with their own improvements) to other car manufacturers.

@RomrotMechanikos

5 жыл бұрын

On a positive note when I went to Detroit for an electric car show it was cool to see some of the really old electric cars that looked like literal horseless carriages. pretty classy looking though, it probably only got like 15 miles on a full charge.

i feel like he wants to say: had this product been assembled in china like other car manufacturers xD

Absolutely amazing to find that there is a guy who Points out bad car builds. In the past 50+ years has he not passed on any advice to GM, Ford and Chrysler?

@miguellopez3392

4 жыл бұрын

hes mentioned that bigger automakers don't really listen to him because they are slow and stuck in their ways and is happy to see improvements he suggested in the model Y.

18 October 2018? Munro did that analysis months ago. Btw, small details wrong in this news report. Shows pictures of Model S all the time, just for one minor detail. And it didn't include that the Model 3 is the safest car yet tested by the NHTSA. Which is recent news, but old enough to get into a report published on this date. Tesla have since revised their productions lines for the Model 3.

@sambira

5 жыл бұрын

Also, watch this kzread.info/dash/bejne/onWHj9ujh82fdLw.html

@abelucious

5 жыл бұрын

Do you own a Model 3 ?

@Markle2k

5 жыл бұрын

Not just any Model S, a pre-facelift Model S.

@Deepwing

5 жыл бұрын

@@abelucious we do and I can testament to the car being amazing

dang, he made it through a whole 5 minute video in Detroit without getting shot

@browsingyoutube6563

5 жыл бұрын

Confident Dinosaur Productions idiot

@andyfaulk3962

5 жыл бұрын

dat. B. RAYCISS

@browsingyoutube6563

5 жыл бұрын

Andy Faulk reported

@chair5728

5 жыл бұрын

Browsing KZread well he’s right.

@corytaylor74

5 жыл бұрын

F**k off! I could have said something more eloquent but why waste my time 😉

Way ahead of the competition in all areas but one - it’s overbuilt. 🤣🤣🤣 I love how this clip tries so desperately to denigrate the model 3, but only succeeds at revealing it as one of the best designed, and most durably engineered vehicles, to ever enter production. The crash test ratings say the rest. Well done, Tesla.

@griesTheGries

4 жыл бұрын

better go buy one or 2.....

@ArtistIrinaSharie

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Vejnar 🎖🎖🎖🎖🎖

"Had this been built at a conventional plant, they could have clobbered everybody"...crickets..... still waiting.

Says Model 3, shows Model S. Says Chevy Bolt, shows Chevy Volt. Bloomberg? 🧐

@boperadotto8703

5 жыл бұрын

Vloomberg

@s977382

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sad. I really expected better

"better than every car except for one thing" then obviously it's a horrible car. Yes, this makes sense. So negative for no reason. Why can't you say actually this is the best car ever built and for the consumer,​ this company is not cutting corners.

@thomas8421

5 жыл бұрын

They are masters of making good news sound bad when it comes too tesla

@fudgeyou3827

5 жыл бұрын

Because it’s poorly built with respect to manufacturability. All the production delays caused by its poor design nearly bankrupted the company

@fudgeyou3827

5 жыл бұрын

In May 2016, musk said Tesla would produce 100,000-200,000 model 3s by the second half of 2017. They ended up producing 2,000. To be wrong by a factor of 50-100x is unheard of. And many of those delays were caused by the design.

@brad3378

5 жыл бұрын

Munro's criticisms are valid. Teslas are expensive to repair, which is the main reason why they are the most expensive cars to insure despite being safe cars. insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-tops-list-of-most-expensive-to-insure/

@logitech4873

5 жыл бұрын

If you arrive to the conclusion that it's a horrible car based on this, well then that's just your idea of it. This teardown and analysis is giving some pretty clear constructive criticism from someone with a lot of experience. I don't see the problem with sharing that knowledge.

I like Sandy's work and am keen to hear his conclusions when he sees the cars made by Tesla's new gigapress. The entire front half of the chassis can be made in one piece, and the same with the back half. It's the world's biggest machine of it's kind and Tesla has a few of them.

This is the moment Sandy knew he’d be a KZread star

@oferkrupka

3 жыл бұрын

I remember watching this exact video 1 year before Sandy started his channel...

Sandy backtracked his comments right after this video came out, about six months ago. He's since called the Model 3 one of the finest cars in America.

@timojohn9773

5 жыл бұрын

It might be. He said it only has minor problems with the chassis. To stiff? You die? To flexible? You die. Also, he mostly critizied the manufacturability of the car. It is complex to build the chassis. Similar to the 2019 Audi A8 (I build them, even simple parts where split up in smaller pieces to save weight and make it safer, its the same with the model 3).

@OggyGTA

5 жыл бұрын

@Judith Pinkham was that English?

@alanf403

5 жыл бұрын

@@OggyGTA WTF did @Judith Pinkman even say?

@OggyGTA

5 жыл бұрын

@Judith Pinkham 'fraid so Judith, I never could do cryptic clues! :)

@species8472cze

5 жыл бұрын

Thats not mutch of an achievement is it tho? Might be jsut me, but when someone says "good car" i think of germany or japan, not exactly america.

Sure bash Tesla for not building trash

@MrRohanThomas

5 жыл бұрын

A lot, I mean a lot of newer cars are badly built, lots are having transmission and engine issues. On a lot of new Honda's they have transmission and engine issues, Toyota had 2 recalls for their hybrid cars, 1 was stalling problem and the other was they had risk of catching fire. 1 of the Volkswagen Passat models is said to be the worst engine in automotive history but nobody talks about these, no way in hell these newer cars will even last 10 years. Annoying how they bash Tesla even though other brands are failing and producing shit cars but owners do not buy the new cars, they lease the car and it's on warranty so if there is an issue they get it fixed, buy one of these newer cars and keep them for 5 years, it will fall apart one by one

@donkgated8074

5 жыл бұрын

Overcomplication does not mean overengineering for reliability. And yes, 10yo Teslas are going to be trash.

@philliberatore4265

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, they are bashing Tesla about the car not being buildable.

@brickman409

5 жыл бұрын

How do you even take this as a bashing? He literally only listed one problem, and praised every single other aspect of the car.

@vanlao6367

5 жыл бұрын

Tesla can build the best car in the world for all they want, but if they don't get enough profit, then the company might go bankrupt, which is the main focus this video is about. By the time Tesla go bankrupt, I hope you have luck finding a company that can fix your Tesla without specialized tools.

When the battery is just a bunch of AA batteries taped together 😂

@miguellopez3392

4 жыл бұрын

thats what most batteries are, cells tapped together to form a battery.

@pmj_studio4065

4 жыл бұрын

Somehow it's the best battery in the world... these cells definitely aren't standard AA

@fastnbulbouss

4 жыл бұрын

18650 batteries....which will be upgraded to 21700 batteries. AA !!! You're a little daft.....

@mrtings

4 жыл бұрын

fastnbulbouss as intended because it’s a joke

@fastnbulbouss

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrtings In that case, I take it back. Sorry.

"Automation increases manufacturing costs." And like that you lost me.

@roy04

3 жыл бұрын

It could've been worded better but it does actually, in fact they had over-automated the line which didn't increase manufacturing cost, but made it very inefficient and slow compared to humans. That's why Tesla had problems during the initial stages of the Model 3 production

@timothykeith1367

3 жыл бұрын

I read that Tesla used too many robots

@grimupnorth9336

3 жыл бұрын

Automation has a massive initial outlay and if you don't have the technical ability and training upfront you are going to be in a world of pain. I know companies that invested in robots with no technical staff capable of programming them so they sat there collecting dust for years.

@tomast9034

3 жыл бұрын

the cost for it decide if it will be automatised. if the workforce for ten years cost more as the automatised workplaces it will be automatised. because numbers. in some places its cheaper to let the people do the work.

To summarize the video : 1. Tesla Cars are "overbuilt" to the point of quality that has not been seen in the market for over 30+ years. 2. They are "too complex" for a traditional car manufacturer to built to the point that those traditionalist wouldn't even dare to try produe such a low gross profit margin car THAT LASTS. 3. They are too futuristic for current conventional customers, while the WHOLE COMPANY VISION is about bringing the future to the present. Great freaking logic here Bloomberg. Absolutely top notch analysis, objective, and unbiased.

@johnuferbach9166

5 жыл бұрын

too complex / overbuild means that they are constructed in a way that makes them unnecessarily expensive to build is 30% profit margin considered low?

@mattlane2282

5 жыл бұрын

1, stiff does not mean over built... stiff is BAD... stuff causes breaks down the road 2 they are unneeded complex... does "not optimized" help you understand better? 3 no idea where that even came from rofl... did i watch this wrong... the 30% margin was IF A CURRENT AUTO MANUFACTURE WAS MAKING IT... not telsa...

@RaijinKaze

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnuferbach9166 The complex build adds to the production time which is bad as it means you have to wait longer for the cars. This is the reason Tesla has pre-orders. The profit margin is based off a hypothetical situation where the Tesla's are built in a conventional factory. As it is I don't think we have access to the exact average cost of manufacturing a model 3. However there is only room for improvement on Tesla's part. Overall though more complex build means longer build time which means less cars for people to buy.

@ivaniii9707

5 жыл бұрын

The complex body of the Tesla is a major downside. If this was built by anyone else than a shitty tech start up it might be a desirable product to own, but instead we have a badly built car with worse interior and exterior.

@AdamDunebugDunas

5 жыл бұрын

1. I mean.. they're not overbuilt to the point of quality.. the bodies are over-engineered, they're too stiff, have too many parts to them that are all attached in different manners (unnecessary complexity), and their safety ratings are only good because they have all their heavy batteries in the bottom. 2. Complexity doesn't result in a car that lasts, the opposite is demonstrably too. The old cars that are still running today are the simple ones with little tech in them, because the crazy tech is always the first thing to break. Complex cars are bad for reliability, that's why Tesla is rated so low for reliabilty: www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/ 3. No one said they were 'too futuristic' the video was about framing the one big issue, how they're hemorrhaging money at an incredible rate, $800 million every 3 months in gross losses (that's after taking the profit into account.) The only reason they're still going is because Elon Musk is a great hype man that makes tonnes of drama on Twitter to keep people investing.

"Model 3"... shows a model S "and the Chevy Bolt"... Shows a Volt Sigh

@arthurpozner7701

5 жыл бұрын

Next model might as well be called the Chevy Nut ...

To the fanboys: Tesla has acknowledged the problems of expense and complexity of their body design. They are intending to use the new large form factor stamping machine for the Model Y (but they only have the patent filed, and the have no working model as of yet). The criticisms of the body were valid. 7 parts for a wheel well is far too complex, and offers no additional safety value. Using several different fastener types and manufacturing methods for each body panel and subframe component is inefficient, not to mention all the seam welding. There are simpler designs that will yield better results. Tesla is debunking their own fanboys. I hope they can get the new processes established for the Y. (Maxwell batteries, new wiring harness and body stamper). Constructive criticism is a good thing. TLDR: y'all are butthurt.

@kushkill1

4 жыл бұрын

JMAC LIVES you should start your own car company mr expert.

@RealityGutPunch

4 жыл бұрын

@@kushkill1 oh wow great reply. 10/10

Basically he is that guy, who tears apart everything and doesn't know how to repair it .

This is old news!

How can be a body too stiff? If you have a 700hp car, you want a solid body to hold up all that troque

@paulanderson79

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly my point. They handle beautifully as well. *Actually, I am seeing what he means here is that perhaps it's not sufficiently deformable in the case of an accident. Not sure, he's certainly not very explicit about what he means.

@soupisgoodfood42

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulanderson79 I think he just meant that they could have cut corners, saved money, and most people wouldn't have noticed.

@Alex-mq7kt

5 жыл бұрын

If you don't know what you are talking then just don't do it, when the car will crash, the frame should deform so the impact won't be so hard, it will work like a spring, to amortise the impact.

@sodoi7127

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulanderson79 The car doesnt have as deformable a body as other makes due to its weight. These cars weigh about twice as much as others for the same volume, due to the battery pack. They will (and have) 'flatten(ed)' other cars in accidents because of the conservation of momentum. Simple physics: More mass requires stiffer frame and results in a safer car (in terms of impact force.

@paulanderson79

5 жыл бұрын

@@sodoi7127 I know. That's why I've questioned comments about its rigidity. You and I share the same opinions

Seemed like it was a pretty sound report, and they weren't making predictions about where Tesla would go. They felt that Tesla was far ahead of the other car companies in every other way, and basically if they fixed the issues with the frame having too many parts then they would dust the competition.

Huh, Tesla said M3 is built like a commercial truck. Let’s see how the other manufacturers hold up 10 years after.

This is one of those guys who would have said......We don't need cars...we need faster horses.....

@matthewronson5218

5 жыл бұрын

That is the exact opposite of what this man was saying. His job is to reverse engineer and look for areas of improvement. Try honing your listening skills.

@Sean-if7rp

5 жыл бұрын

jocko john He suggested how production could be made more efficient, he wasn’t being backwards at all

@jimmytwotime8405

5 жыл бұрын

jocko john 😆

@MrStevegibb

5 жыл бұрын

Well i think its ridiculous to reverse engineer something like a tesla and then complain about they way they built it when nobody anywhere makes anything that can compete with it. And oh by the way ford dream of being able to build an electric car like a tesla but that old donkey is about 10 years away from being able to make something like today's tesla cars.

@BlancaIngles88

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha best comment!

I can help him out there. The motor is a permanent magnet assisted switched reluctance motor - a relatively new variation on SRMs that appeared in the literature around a decade ago. The chassis is deliberately stiff for better handling and crash survivability. Mass well spent if you ask me.

@CluebotUK

5 жыл бұрын

@nibus9 The Blacklight/Hydrino thing? I'm pretty sure that's pseudoscience and will never do anything worthwhile.

@CluebotUK

5 жыл бұрын

​@nibus9 So you _do_ mean that thing "Brilliant Light Power" is doing and you think it's legit? Yeah, that is pretty funny. I'd wish it were true too, but wishes aren't worth a damn in engineering. "Dark matter" is called that because _nobody knows what it is._ These guys claim to have engineered a machine that _uses it_ in a process that extracts energy from the hydrogen in water. The latter is hardly an original claim, and has _always_ been a scam to exploit gullible investors. Don't see what it has to do with the Model 3 though.

@CluebotUK

5 жыл бұрын

@nibus9 Probably the same thing they were doing when they bought fancy 50k dowsing rods for use in bomb detection. That company claims not only to have dark matter in their lab but a way to make energy with it. Yeah, where are their Nobel Prizes?

@CluebotUK

5 жыл бұрын

@nibus9 Science follows where the evidence leads. A working device will end all arguments, and if it works how they claim they're getting at least two Nobels in physics. Don't hold your breath though. There's no evidence I'm aware of that any real principle of nature exists that would allow their device to do what they claim. Nobody with relevant credentials claims even to know what dark matter _is,_ let alone how to use it in a device. If they did, they'd stop calling it "dark".

@andhikabayutrimulya5801

5 жыл бұрын

@@CluebotUK there's a thing called religion out there which based everything they believe to something which have no form at all, so somebody believing in a non existing tech is not really that weird...

This old man is complaining about TESLA building a high quality safe vehicle. He further states that his auto company could have built it better... Well, why didn't they?

@sadathaddu

3 жыл бұрын

He meant it's repair is difficult. It's like unibody

@gt5228z

3 жыл бұрын

He doesn't have an auto company dude. He owns a world renowned manufacturing consulting firm where they work to help companies improve their manufacturing process. Hes pointing out areas where things are unnecessarily over built, or poorly built.

@trevorlemon9006

3 жыл бұрын

Thats not what he said at all though...

@gt5228z

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevorlemon9006 He estimated the cost of manufacture, then pointed out why it costs so much. He pointed out how the wheel well was made of 6 parts when its of no benefit to use more than 2 or 3. Elon himself actually highly respects sandy as a fellow engineer.

@gt5228z

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevorlemon9006 He estimated the cost of manufacture, then pointed out why it costs so much. He pointed out how the wheel well was made of 6 parts when its of no benefit to use 2 or 3. Elon himself actually highly respects sandy as a fellow engineer.

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