Marvel's problem for most movies of the past 4 years is that they have a character they want to sell you, but no script to do it with.

@siddiqsmouse5004

6 ай бұрын

This is a perfect sentence!!

@chadbrisco4042

6 ай бұрын

2019: Avengers: Endgame, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: FFH all made a billion dollars. 2020: COVID-19 2021: Wandavision, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Spider-Man: NWH were all huge successes. The only real flops were Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Black Widow was average. 2022: Moon Knight was garbage. You don't know if what really happened is Canon or if it's all in his mind. Doctor Strange: MOM was trash. Thor: Love and Thunder was too goofy. She-Hulk was unwatchable. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was beautiful. 2023: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania had no stakes. Everyone lived and Kang didn't seem like a big villain after all. Guardians 3 was the best movie since No Way Home. Secret Invasion was almost as unwatchable as She-Hulk and lastly marvel needed The Marvels to be a big hit. *SPOILERS AHEAD* All they came up with was an average movie that has highs (Ms. Marvels character, high stakes with Monica getting stuck in another universe and Kate Bishop showing up) and lows (A movie that doesn't know what it is. It even turns into a musical at one point.) It's been over the last two years, not four years.

@chadbrisco4042

6 ай бұрын

@siddiqsmouse5004 Not really. 2019 had Endgame, Spider-Man: FFH and Captain Marvel which all made over a billion dollars. 2021 had Wandavision, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Spider-Man: NWH which were all major hits and the Eternals is kinda growing on me (mainly because of how bad the movies have been in 2022 and 2023) but Eternals is still messy. I'd also consider Black Widow kinda average but it's weird because it came out five years too late. I'd say the last two years were trash with projects like Moon Knight, Doctor Strange: MOM, Thor: Love and Thunder, She-Hulk, Ant-Man and The Wasp Quantumania and Secret Invasion all flopping.

@berserkasaurusrex4233

6 ай бұрын

@@chadbrisco4042 Four years is 2020 to 2023, you shouldn't be counting 2019 in there at all. It falls beyond what @litcomicsproductions5359 was talking about. And Shang-Chi was a flop, not a "huge success". It probably lost $100 million, about as bad as Antman 3 actually. While Disney tries to blame the pandemic for the weak box office (for Black Widow and the Eternals as well), that's very disingenuous. NWH premiered only two months later, and it nearly broke $2 billion. The lockdowns were over well before SC's September 2021 premier, with most states having opened up a good year earlier than that. Also, while we'll never know the real viewer figures, it seems likely that Hawkeye was also a flop. It had no buzz online when it aired and even less since. At least people made videos about Loki's issues and Wandavision's poor ending. Hawkeye is much like Moon Knight: totally forgotten.

@QuintonPierre777

6 ай бұрын

They may need to do a major scale back ! The need to focus on quality over quantity and other forms of media . There’s so many things like why isn’t there a M rated marvel gaming universe after 15 yrs? What is Jay Ong (Head of Marvel Gaming) doing ? Do we need to make a petition like what we did for Deadpool movie for that to happen with large KZreadrs and some polls For him ? Like what are the Disney executives doing this is so frustrating . I’ve wanted a open world Punisher “stealth predator “ with shades of Manhunt and immersion like a Fable / Skyrim game . The problem is these people don’t know how to please the consumer hopefully large KZreadrs like this and bigger ones and other can come together and get us those 10-20 million signatures necessary to expand the avenues of media .

the mutliverse was handled terribly, they shouldve centred the mutliverse story around the heroes discovering the multiverse and having it be mysteroious. Instead they explained exactly how it worked and set out the rules and then every multiverse project after that completely ignored those rules

@alwaysxnever

6 ай бұрын

Well stated. That is a definite issue. The point of nixing all the other Marvel projects was to bring everything under one umbrella and make shows to fill up the Disney + catalogue but all the creatives were not on the same page. This could have been a phase of team-ups. Alas

@Ben-zg8xk

5 ай бұрын

@@alwaysxneverfr bro. The Disney + shows kinda suck and having them be required viewing to understand some movies is a terrible strategy. I also dislike how they aren’t treated like tv shows and just 6 hour movies. Give us shows that are actual shows and are just loosely connected to Mcu with some character crossover and they’d be good. Imagine if secret invasion was turned into a nico fury centred spy thriller where nick fury wasn’t frail and weak and had multiple seasons dealing with multiple threats. Or if she hulk was actually a competent legal show that was actually funny. Instead we get irrelevant 6 episode shows of characters who would’ve been supporting characters in the old mcu, even though the support haracters had there stories told just fine back then

@tee_swag

5 ай бұрын

marvel trying too hard to do the "first live action of anything" just so their fantards think that they did it first in the comics lmao

@rafinha7081

5 ай бұрын

I would love if all the heroes would in the same time had seems portals opening in front of them, quite like endgame, but instead of friends, it would be Kang or Ultron Prime. Just something that popped up

@thespitefulartist

5 ай бұрын

Man this is spot on

Early phase 4 was actually really promising, WandaVision, Loki, Shang-Chi, and No Way Home actually felt kinda fresh and interesting. I'm surprised they didn't double-down on those projects and cultivating that feel. Like it's insane to me that we haven't seen Shang-Chi again yet. At least to my memory, that movie was so well received and everyone fell in love with the rising star that is Simi Liu. It would have been a slam dunk to make him one your main stars going forward. I don't understand Marvel as a studio anymore or their decision-making.

@stephenshw2262

5 ай бұрын

they want a white woman to take center stage

@rainn2115

5 ай бұрын

This channel hated no way home

The end of Loki was the first thing that felt like old mcu in a while

@FULANODETAL

5 ай бұрын

too bad it was too boring...4 episodes than ca be resumed in 1

@ClairDeLume

5 ай бұрын

right?? honestly, atp, after finishing Loki, i think i might be done with the mcu now. (aside from deadpool 3, which i might go see still.) i doubt they'll have anything good come out in the next several years. i dont even have high hopes for secret wars at this rate.

@FULANODETAL

5 ай бұрын

@@ClairDeLume the only last Hope is Daredevil séason 4

Loki season 2 is fantastic, and can honestly be watched as a satisfying end to the Kang arc and finale to the MCU as whole if you're ready to walk away.

@adamsavage2646

6 ай бұрын

feels weird to watch a good quality show then think "I'll never watch this studio again" I think people should just do whatever they want and not make assumptions based on reactionary "this is the end" concepts

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

6 ай бұрын

I really hope he talks about Loki. We've got some amazing Marvel stuff here but choosing to cover smtg we all know would be mid is weird.

@thephoenixsystem6765

6 ай бұрын

ohh, I didn't realise the last ep would be out D: ... aw man i'll miss this

@GeneralTaco155555a

6 ай бұрын

@@adamsavage2646 what better way to stop, than to end on a high note and one with a sense of finality to it? Disney will never stop making Marvel content as long as it keeps making them money. Nobody has the attention (or life) span for infinite content. Stopping watching is an inevitably; if someone is ready to stop and didn't after Endgame, now is a great time.

@andycopeland7051

6 ай бұрын

Did the Kang arc even begin?

Remember when phase 1 was 6 movies? One for each important character, an extra for Iron Man since he's the main character, and then a team up that was teased since day 1. Rather than a dozen separate shows that go nowhere with no clear direction for the future.

Almost everything after the Infinity saga has felt like a quick cash grab to squeeze what's left out of the superhero genre with as little effort as possible. It's the same plan (or lack thereof) as the Star Wars sequels: they just assumed we love the IP so much we would watch anything in the brand. Well, they were dead wrong. What a shame, because there's still a lot of great stories to tell.

Spiderman 4 with Tobey Maguire would be amazing. I'm surprised it hasn't happened after the reaction to Tobey Maguire's return in No Way Home. Except for the older Spiderman in Into The Spiderverse, we've never really got the older, tired Spiderman who has been doing it for decades. It could be like Ben Affleck's Batman. I was so disappointed that Ben Affleck's standalone Batman film was cancelled.

@LynnHermione

6 ай бұрын

Tobey was already old and stiff in the FIRST spiderman, idk why yall like his dumb face, bad acting and completely wring body for the role

@GODMCIC

6 ай бұрын

​@@LynnHermionehating on tobey is crazy

@sealionstudios8597

6 ай бұрын

Genuinely, Spider-Man 4 would be on Force Awakens/Endgame levels of hype

@sebicmiel4221

6 ай бұрын

@@LynnHermione calm down

@NBATESdgm

6 ай бұрын

@@LynnHermione And still, his movies made over a billion dollars and were nominated for awards all across, became videogames, and he became so famous and so rich he didn't need to act for a living anymore. Watch him in Brothers, dumb face can act.

I'm going to be perfectly honest. I don't care about this, but I do care about the VFX artists. Have they unionized?

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure they have!!!!

@katherinealvarez9216

6 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos good. I hope they can get the studio execs to stop exploiting them.

Jackman and Maguire doing secret wars sounds fucking awful. Seriously people, take the nostalgia goggles off. Let these franchises progress beyond actors who did these roles over two decades ago.

@finnmacmanus5723

6 ай бұрын

Thank you I thought I was the only one genuinely severely disappointed that Jackman was back. After all the years of speculating who could take on the role it’s just the same fucking guy 20 years older

@antismo9998

6 ай бұрын

​@@finnmacmanus5723Hugh Jackman is most likely just gonna come back as Wolverine for 1 or 2 movies. The MCU's X-Men (and, by extension, Wolverine) will be played by different people

@_M....

6 ай бұрын

exactly, this video devoled into nonsense after he pointed out them mishandling Blade.

@captainjakemerica4579

6 ай бұрын

I'm against a lot of these Multiverse castings also but if Hugh Jackman comes back for just one or two movies I'm fine with that

@dott8348

6 ай бұрын

It seems good with them or someone else as a lead

Marvel should have wrapped up the original Avenger stories after Endgame and then started building towards the new Avengers team by making *good* original standalone stories first, with some new big-bad in the background. Then team them up once everyone loves them. Same formula as the original Avengers, but new actors and stories to get behind.

@trevturp6891

2 ай бұрын

Correction, Marvel should have wrapped up the original Avenger stories, after Spiderman Far From Home and then started building towards the new Avengers team by making good original standalone stories first, with some new big-bad in the background. Then team them up once everyone loves them. Same formula as the original Avengers, but new actors and stories to get behind.

It seems clear to me they had no plan after Endgame other than build to A force. They crit the bed with this multiverse saga, Kang has taken too many L's at this point to be taken seriously.

Whoever directed Deadpool & John Wick need to handle Blade 😎

Aside from No Way Home, the two seasons of Loki is the best thing post End Game. No doubt Covid threw a wrench into things. I feel like Marvel might have been too eager to create the next big threat. Having a few lower budget, lower stake, and less interconnected movies early on post End Game might have been a good way to prevent the current catch up fatigue that many viewers feel. Then slowly build the big threat back up. Back to basic of Phase One. Only Thor and Captain American actually felt like required watching plot wise for the first Avenger movie, the Iron Man(s) and Hulk were more character introduction rather than contributing to the plot.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom

5 ай бұрын

GOTG 3

@trevturp6891

2 ай бұрын

Yes Way Godawful isn't one of the best MCU projects post Endgame.

One thing the MCU did during the Infinity Saga was hold some kind of event, around the end of each phase to connect all, if not most, of the prior characters in the phase. Phase 1 had the Avengers, Phase 2 had Ultron and, let’s face it, Civil War, and 3 had Infinity War and Endgame. The new phases don’t really have that, they just sort of expect for all of it to come together in Kang’s Dynasty and Secret Wars with no prior development. Most characters in the MCU now seem like they don’t at all exist in the wider world. Characters like Shang-Chi, The Eternals, and Moon Knight are so unimportant to the overall world, and so little mentioned, that it makes you wonder why they were even made. Sure, the Infinity Saga had that with Guardians, but those films atleast had a reason and would also help to expand on Thanos and the Infinity Stones.

@TheRedAzuki

6 ай бұрын

I actually forgot that moon knight even existed

@jahimuddin2306

5 ай бұрын

It is a shame that Shang-Chi and Moon Knight have been forgotten about considering how good they were.

I hate how much sense this man is making.

The reason Marvel ain't bringing Wesley Snipes around for Blade again is probably obvious if you've ever heard any stories about Wesley Snipes working on Blade movies.

If only Kevin Feige and the other Marvel executives watched Full Fat Videos…

Does anyone else feel like Loki season 2's ending will be used as a convenient excuse to stop putting Jonothan Majors/Kang in the rest of the MCU after his legal/criminal allegations? Edit: I know people will ask - it's domestic violence charges against him

@thepubknight6144

5 ай бұрын

Ezra Miller and Amber Heard weren't fired and I don't remember any channels constantly wanting them fired In fact they kept making excuses for them known criminals Yet everyone obsessed with lying on Majors? It's because he's actually good and people can't accept a black man being the face of the MCU Prove me wrong

Get this man into the writing room.

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

Cheers!!!

@thephoenixsystem6765

6 ай бұрын

Do it.

@undying_artv2

6 ай бұрын

I love FFH but we have no idea if he can write , he can certainly criticise writing

@vincenta8652

6 ай бұрын

Everyone acting like Covid and the actors strike didn’t affect Everything. You keep hearing this lame excuse about homework but anyone who watched anything so far knows none of it is required viewing expect for one tv show. You also all act like the first avengers team came together faster when none of them had appearance outside their own film but iron man before the team up This new phase started in earnest in 2021 and most of the new avengers have been shown and are already coming together … and it’s only been two years. Your just literally making shit up for clicks from the nes who are gonna bitch about marvel despite clearly not being arching any of it. Big ass L of a video

Had to stop watching to say, the edit from 6:59 is SO GODDAMN GOOD WHAT THE HELL 7:51 far as I'm concerned it should be up to you, little though my opinion counts.

@jdrmanmusiqking

6 ай бұрын

BRO! I didnt even notice how maticulous that edit was until i rewatched Fuckin professional grade that was amazing

I don't understand how you could like Monica Rambo. After "they'll never understand what you sacrificed for them" 😂🤦🤦

The past 4 years has made it clear that they did not have a clear vision of what to do after endgame. We now have an awkward mix of old and new characters who don't mix well and don't get to interact.

I think the perfect time to get people excited for X-Men mutants was Multiverse of Madness. You had Charles Xavier and Wanda Maximoff appearing in the same movie, but both characters are killed off tragically. It was a confusing decision, especially for the Wanda fans out there.

Will you be covering the 60th anniversary Doctor Who? Always look forward to your reviews. Your videos are always very well constructed and put together. 🙂

Honestly if they wanted to end the whole Kang storyline after Loki S2. I wouldn't even mind. Like they left the door open for Kang to be a threat, but honestly I could fully see the end of Loki being the end of Kang as a multiversal threat.

After Endgame, Marvel should have taken a small break and gone dark for a little bit. Really spend some time identifying who the core characters would be going forward, what their main themes would be, and a general starting location for everyone. It feels so much like they're just firing from the hip, and if they don't really care to have any real consistency, it's hard for me to care about what's happening.

Been ages since your last video bro, so happy to see you back.

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

Thank you means a lot!!!

Toby's Spidey, Ni Cage Ghostrider, Hugh's Wolverine, Snipes' Blade and Eric Banner's Hulk. Deadpool makes them all fight but go on to all team up in secret wars

The "leaks" going around about Secret Wars become more and more plausible with every new instalment. Specifically that the plot is about the TVA rallying a team of multiversal heroes against Kang. Apparently, Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds are the main stars. That feels just like old times. Remember when Spider-Man and Wolverine would show up on the front covers of stories that had nothing to do with them? I can completely buy the theory that Secret Wars will completely bank on the fanservice of Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman and Robert Downey Jr meeting up with each other.

Marvel should have made the decision to take a break post endgame to come up with a new direction. It seems as though Marvel cares more about how much they put out instead of the overall quality of the films they make which made them great in the first place.

Just Imagine Spider-Man 4 being done well with Tobey’s Spidey balancing his super hero life and married life with MJ as well as being a father and forced to face his greatest enemy yet the Sinister Six(or maybe just the Vulture if you want just the one villain), Or X-Men 4 finally introducing Mr Sinister who is working with a resurrected Apocalypse or Blade 4 having Blade deal with the aftermath of Killing Dracula by facing his daughter

I really don't care too much for the legacy characters except for Andrew's Spiderman. The rest I think we've seen enough. In fact even Deadpool who at least makes sense would be involved with the old characters has me feeling hesitant. I feel like Wanda (not to mention Evan Peters) have been wasted too . I was looking forward to new Xmen and F4 when things were still good. Now it's hard to be hopeful when Marvel is dropping the ball as often as DC now. At this point I'm more interested and rooting for James Gunn's DC if anything.

Banking on a cameo to save the project... Not having the script to make you care about the character... This is Disney Star Wars' problem as well 😢

It feels like for every 1 good project they have they have 3 bad ones

@FullFatVideos

5 ай бұрын

This is it, people point to the good projects post endgame but the reality is every single bit of good is sandwiched between piles and piles of ass

I think a decent way to fix kang in the current time is to ditch the infinite multiverse idea and say there are a finite (but massive) anount of multiverses, each slightly malleable to account for inconsequential free-will choices. this makes the amount of kangs finite and beatable rather than being infinite and unbeatable

I feel like the "best" way to salvage mcu right now to retcon everything that happened after end game, stay silent about everything for at least 5 years, and do either 1 or 2 movies, or one big series a year, leading up to another grand saga, and start experimenting with stuff more

For all my ERB fans From Thanos vs J Robert Oppenheimer: We're in the endgame now tinky winkie

@zachryder3150

6 ай бұрын

"Labour conditions in my shop? I don't sweat 'em" - ERB Walt Disney

@KnowledgeIsRandom

6 ай бұрын

Thank youuuuuuuu! That's what immediately came up to my mind when i saw the title lol

@weerrpp

6 ай бұрын

@@KnowledgeIsRandom Me too lmao

@addex1236

6 ай бұрын

And I'll finish this like Ant-Man all up in your stinky

Most of the causes that's causing the MCU's recent problems are out of Marvel's control. •Writers strike •Actors strike •Johnathan Major legal problems

My favorite part of this video is when you say what a concept and then the song starts playing out of nowhere

Well Loki Season 2 finale showed us the best project since end game. Love all your videos but your missing out. Jonathon majors is amazing

Found myself starting Loki S2 last night and it's really the only thing that's breaking the Marvel Formula. It was frustrating at first to see an extended scene of two guys eating pie and talking, but, after Secret Invasion being slavishly dedicated to the Formula to its extreme detriment, the wackiness, the far-out concepts, and the focus on characters in Loki are truly refreshing. I also very much appreciated Werewolf By Night explicitly saying it was in its own separate universe. Marvel cannot just be people punching each other + firing energy beams if it's going to keep interest up, and the multiverse concept can't be more important than good character work

One of the strengths of the early marvel films was that sharacters were introduced slowly and they waited for the core characters to be well established before adding in other characters. If they'd started with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Strange, Ant-man, Black panther, Guardians etc. all in phase one before an avengers film it wouldn't have had the same charm. I'm still on the MCU train, it just seems to be very hit or miss, especially this year. I think the best thing for them creatively to keep people invested is to make it so you don't need to watch every show/movie to get the overall narrative, obviously as a business they want to get as many people into seats as possible so they will continue with that model.

The phase 4 disney+ shows should have followed the example of agents of shield and branched off in their own direction, telling an isolated story about the remaining secondary characters while have a clean slate of new movies with new hero's to establish. This way, audiences wouldn't need to watch every piece of content for major plot points. Instead, the shows would be small, contained stories that provide context and nuance to the mcu universe that's interesting but not necessary. And your point about re-establishing old characters from other universes absolutely makes sense since they're all mcu cannon now.

The king was busy with Prima Nocta but when the world needed him the most, full fat returned!

Yeah. I never was a big hyped fan of MCU, but I was keeping up with main characters and story. After the War the whole multiverse feels like such a disjointed mess that there's no anchor of interest. There was a couple of somewhat OK standalone movies like Shang Chi, but I don't have any idea what the overarching narrative is or who is it for. It's just a blur of characters and plots which are too complicated to care about. It feels like either "closing the unfinished point from previous phase" or "ANOTHER new IP". Fuck that.

That sizzle reel of footage in the middle of the video made me realize how fucking cool those movies are compared to the MCU. Bland green screen shooting lasers out of their hands vs practical effects, flipping stunt doubles around on wires on actual sets designed by set designers, nice cinematography etc

How the mighty have fallen.

The thing that annoys me is the Multiverse Saga should be my kind of jam, I like when comic book films go into the weird and strange and comic bookish. So far though it’s been meh. I wasn’t much into the Infinity Saga so when I heard about this I thought Marvel doing the multiverse would be awesome, outside of Loki it’s been like a wet fart.

Everything well said ! I’ve honestly lost almost all interest in watching any marvel shows or movies, part of me still hopes it changes and I’m once again captivated

I remember I was looking forward to the Multiverse Saga almost as much as the climax of the Infinity Saga because we’d get to see so many beloved characters come to the big (or small) screen either for the first time or returning after so many years, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, America Chavez, and the return of characters like Garfield’s Spider-Man (don’t care what anyone says I have a soft spot for those movies), and Jackman’s Wolverine. Even the opportunity to reinvent characters like Shang-Chi and the Eternals both of which come from either convoluted or controversial pasts. Many of the characters I’ve mentioned have either been okay but most have been absolutely butchered. It’s actually impressive to take a character like She-Hulk who has such a rich history, great and quirky personality and absolutely ruin everything about her. Marvel has significantly dropped the ball and you’re right it may be too late to save themselves which is truly a damn shame.

Kinda crazy that on the same day that Marvels released we got the Loki S2 finale which was just peak. Echo has my interest but other than DP 3 I ain't looking forward to much.

Loki Season 2 is seriously one of the best things to come from Marvel since Endgame. Hands down fantastic. I think maybe given that Loki was more popular and was actually good through and through they should maybe focus more around that. Different timelines through the lens of the TVA with Deadpool 3 and the other characters that need to show up. This season gave me a lot of hope but I know so many other projects are a complete mess so I just don’t know anymore. Still willing to give some a shot but there are some I know for sure are not worth my time like The Marvels.

i gave up on the MCU after wandavision. kind of want to check out loki season 2, but i’ve forgotten pretty much the entirety of season 1 so a rewatch would be needed.

Marvel's decision to release one film next year would prove everybody wrong. Cinemas needs Marvel for their appeal to audience. Their films are mostly events. I can predict that the total box office revenue next year would be lower than this year.

@michaelahurt

6 ай бұрын

*were events Cinemas will be fine. There were blockbusters before Marvel, there will be blockbusters after Marvel. Th biggest event movies in years were this past summer with Barbie, Oppenheimer and Sound of Freedom all showing at the same time. (And they all made money; unlike Disney movies.)

that spidey/wolvering fight/roar montage was gold hehehe!

@FullFatVideos

5 ай бұрын

Cheers!!!

My theater for The Killer was pretty packed surprisingly. I'm glad you dug it, I was a bit let down by the experience. I wish the movie was stronger since I'm also advocating more "original" films being shown theatrically (I know it's based on a graphic novel, but a Fincher movie is a different animal from an MCU movie)

I think that some of Marvel's woes don't have anything to do with Marvel at all. It's viewer fatigue that may be temporary or may be a paradigm shift altogether. Up until COVID happened, there was a significant trend of making movies BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER all the time and the insane success of the MCU and the superhero genre was probably the peak of that. You could see major franchises and directors trying to emulate that and failing to do so(like Star Wars, although quality-wise I'm not on the anti-Disney bandwagon, more like sitting on the fence). But I think this way of doing films and doing business in the movie industry actually peaked with Endgame and before people were even past the post-nut clarity phase, BOOM, here comes the lockdown and everything slows down to a previously unimaginable point. Our lives changed and people changed a bit, too. I think the initial series attempts, like WandaVision were well-received, because they were somewhat the opposite of the cinematic form that people got accustomed to, but Marvel has yet to find the formula that would work best long-term in the cinemas of the post-COVID world, because what worked during the 2010s, doesn't work so well now. Audiences starting yearning something different and that is hurting the big franchises, because when it comes to them, many people who were fans previously, always want to get the same feeling and vibe from them. They have expectations towards a franchise, based on their previous experiences and previous selves that those franchises may not be able to fulfill anymore, because the lay of the land changed, the franchise changed, the fans changed. Big franchises are struggling, while OG stuff, like Barbie and Oppenheimer made HUGE box-office hits this summer and were also mostly well-recieved pieces. We'll have to see if that was a flash in the pan or not, a lucky circumstance or good guerilla marketing, but it's a warning sign. As a wrestling fan, it's also a warning sign of changing times, that WWE has been able to grow their business through slowing the F down and pacing the storytelling a lot differently than wrestling has been doing it for the past 25-30 years. They're taking the time to build, and earn their success through creating anticipation, instead of shocking and wow-ing their audience. Patience will be key for the MCU as well, because if current trends in entertainment have any longevity to them, we may find ourselves in a world where audiences have very different triggers than they used to.

Wow... if Full Fat just got here... things are bad. He's always so positive.

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

I try to be!

@andramontgomery326

6 ай бұрын

@FullFatVideos I've been there for awhile, but I always enjoy your stuff. You're a great essayist and I'm sorry to see this brand let you down.

@FullFatVideos

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for sticking around! And it’s okay, these plenty of good stories out there!

9:41 This makes zero sense though. The point of Kang is that he is a multiversal constant, in every reality there is a Kang variant who is testing the fabric of reality and playing with time. Making him ONE variant across the entire multiverse gets rid of his appeal.

When they added tv series thats what killed it. Rushed and too much to keep up with to understand whats going on

I would assume Weasley snipes hasn’t been asked back to basically any film studio after blade 3. Look up how he behaved on that set. Do you blame other studios for not wanting to work with him?

Your idea sounds amazing

Bro you’re spitting facts rn. Just take Fiege’s job right now.

This is a phenomenal title! How appropriate.

Love this channel

Loki is good. For better or worse it is the best thing there is in the MCU

@isaiahbridges7442

6 ай бұрын

No lol

@oleksandrbyelyenko435

6 ай бұрын

@@isaiahbridges7442 lol yes

i dropped marvel wayy wayyy ago when it first started going awry in phase 4. felt overstuffed but with nothing good.

I could just imagine a spiderman 4 movie whee it ends with Kang blasting into the Rami universe and cutting away and a Wolverine post credit screen where Dr. STRANGE enters with Tobey Maaguire to recruit Wolverine or something

@iambuhlockay8007

6 ай бұрын

I’m not opposed to Tobey showing up in the MCU again, but if there’s a 4th Raimi film I want it to be stand alone.

@superjumpbros64

6 ай бұрын

@iambuhlockay8007 yeah, like a standalone tobey movie with an end credit scene like this. My bad for not being specific

The feeling you’re talking about in this video is why I envy the average everyday viewer who doesn’t really spend all that much time on social media or KZread and isn’t inundated with the constant news and rumors and theorizing and discourse. Marvel Studios is definitely in a valley following the peak of the Infinity War/Endgame era, but I feel like their woes have been grossly exaggerated by the internet discourse machine that’s hungry for their to be a “big story” about the franchise, when if you look at their history what’s happening lately isn’t too far off from business as usual. As you said, it’s not really a matter of quality at this point. KZread and social media create a poisonous, cynical cloud of circular discussion about the franchise that’s more tiring than the movies or shows could ever dread to be in a vacuum. Whenever I find myself resenting my status as an MCU fan, it’s never because of what they put out, but always because of the inescapable fandom baggage. But that’s just how I feel about it.

@killgriffinnow

6 ай бұрын

"Whenever I find myself resenting my status as an MCU fan, it’s never because of what they put out, but always because of the inescapable fandom baggage." The writers and the "fandom baggage" are two sides of the same coin. You think the writers are not affected by the fandom discourse? You think The Last Jedi was NOT a direct response to the fan theories that plagued the internet for 4 years? Even SOUTH PARK acknowledged that Kathleen Kennedy is basically just another part of the "fandom wars", and that her stories are just shots in said war. To try and seperate the MCU and what they put out from the "fandom baggage" is incredibly naieve in my opinion.

@Matkatamiba

6 ай бұрын

In what way can they actually recover back to anything close what they were doing before. Even if the quality wasn't bad, people are burnt out on superhero movies.

@jiopa

6 ай бұрын

@@Matkatamiba People are burnt out on generic superhero movies.

@nalday2534

6 ай бұрын

​@@jiopa*superhero movies in general

@ThePonderer

6 ай бұрын

@@killgriffinnowI disagree

What I’m really hoping to get is a proper finale for Thor as a character. Love and thunder felt really more of a weird side quest without any impact to me. Specially after the fantastic Loki finale I really feel the last of the big 3 avengers needs a proper conclusion.

I actually truly believe Disney is purposefully killing the MCU. They don't have the balls to just say they don't want to make superhero movies anymore, so their just putting less effort into it. The Mcu has literally been around for almost 2 decades.

I feel like they could steer themselves in the right direction if they start listening to fans and channels like yours today. That being said even if they did that Marvel has done a little too much damage to itself to recreate anywhere close to the impact of Infinity War and Endgame. I'd be shocked if they do.

I'm actually super ok with live action superhero "content" taking a break and seeing it more instead with animation and video games. Both mediums have been thriving with the superhero genre and clearly have the creative freedom to do a lot more than anything in live action that we've seen done with bad effects a 1000 times

I hate the idea of focusing more on legacy characters from old films, reeks of lazy fan service.

The fact that all the ideas you presented that would generate any excitement are some variation of nostalgia baiting, reboot of a beloved property, or straight up non MCU content is very telling for the state of the MCU

Bro, that edit from 6:50 - 7:50 is IMMACULATE holy shit

i really just want to see the X-Men cause I liked those films. its sad i used to love the MCU now I only want to see stuff from an older series of films

They really should have never named a movie The Endgame. Because a lot of people definitely agreed. And stopped going to the movies after endgame.

I know that all good things must come to an end but I didn't expect MCU is coming to an end in such this way...

The Death of Chadwick Bossman was the worst thing to happen to Marvel post Endgame. Chadwick & Tom Holland we’re supposed to be carrying the MCU rn

He’s back!

Thunderbolts without Zemo or Hawkeye or even introducing Songbird isn't Thunderbolts.

What if Beyonder grabbed the heroes and villians from across the multiverse? You could potentially use any live-action version of any Marvel character without much set up..

Disney doesn't want to pay anyone RDJ levels ever again. 😅 Enter diverse new heroes you can tick boxes with but also pay less, relegating legacy heroes to TV show, again to pay less.....🤬

What Marvel really needed to do after Endgame is SLOW DOWN, take a breather. Finish the Spider-man trilogy, and maybe do one last Thor movie, but that's enough. They needed to allow us to actually the miss the MCU before ramping things up again. Unfortunately the Marvel machine was simply too big to take a break.

Lol, the 90 minute run time excited you? How could you not know that is due to heavy cuts and re-shoots. It amazes me how many people thought this was going to be good considering their current track record.

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

It amazes me that you’ve never seen a banger 90 minute movie before

If they were to actually do a 4th Toby M Spiderman film, I'd like them to play heavily around Peter Parker's age(Toby's age) and what happens when a superhero has been saving a city for decades.

Champing at the bit.

I was really hoping the villain was a Ronan variant. She isn't, she's just a random person

@ThePonderer

6 ай бұрын

…why would you hope that?

@brobs0463

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePonderer Because…

@ThePonderer

6 ай бұрын

@@brobs0463because why?

@brobs0463

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePonderer why not, it's on theme with multiverse stuff and you can tell they wanted Ronan so invented 'Ronan but worse'

@ThePonderer

6 ай бұрын

@@brobs0463that’s not a good reason

nick fury died since captain marvel, but secret invasion make him a fool

i mean blade is now confirmed to be r rated so thats good

loki season 2 was great

I swear I just found out about this movie like just now 16 hours after this video dropped. What the f***………

Idk about that movie slate, but I mostly agree.

Hinestly would hate Blade 4, X men 4, spiderman 4. Its just so creatively lazy but also its not 2002 anymore. You cant go back to childhood. Id rather we get new versions of these characters and new mcu characters in general than spend 3 movies on 2000s nostalgia.

Avengers: This is the end we promise!

you really ought to have a job directing these things

I think that everything bar a couple things after endgame have been nothing but a mistake i see no way of them correcting this enough to make the next finale feel as big and good so id say they got 2 options now either ignore this and go back to start of phase 4 and make a few things canon or throw cameos at us and reset the universe after kang I really would have loved a buildup of new ( not these ) heros getting win after win while in the background people like loki and strange went out to find the horror of whats coming kang only to keep failing to stop him and then the new avengers loose hard and the entire multiverse regroups in a show giving us much needed depth in personality and relations for them all and they break into subgroups for it spider-men with wolverines and deadpools and so on and then we get that big 3 hour plus final movie to face kang and figure out a stable all encompassing universe and they then earn the name 616

Who is the suppose to be the Leading character for phase 5 because I’m confused. Phase 1-4 we followed Tony Stark and eventually everyone else but it started and ended with him. Who are we following now?

@FullFatVideos

6 ай бұрын

No one. Cap won’t have been seen in over 20 mcu projects and over 4 years by the time his sequel comes around