A child who lost his father because of a godlike being and a father who lost his child because of another godlike being... How didn't anyone at marvel saw the potential in having these two interact?

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

THIS!

@r0cket104

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 you can tell the people making these movies don’t even enjoy the characters

@clam6254

Жыл бұрын

they also missed out on getting nebula and thor to interact. two people who lost their sibling who they just properly reconciled with after spending their whole lives fighting against them. they would’ve had so much to talk about

@silhouette_a

Жыл бұрын

If only the director knows the characters. How unfortunate

@NS-xx1ze

Жыл бұрын

Covid probably

"Star Lord and Gorr should have met" seems like the kind of random thing your little brother would say at the dinner table unexpectedly

@Batt-man

Жыл бұрын

I definitely am that little brother lol

@BigBrosFilms

Жыл бұрын

Uh not really, they were both in the same damn movie together but never interacted at all. Not really a crazy thing to ask for. It should have been in the movie to begin with.

@brobs0463

Жыл бұрын

And then this is the 14 minute video essay he makes to convince you 😂

@Puggylord316

Жыл бұрын

@@BigBrosFilms yeah but still. Its like one of those things someone just randomly says.

@Yourpringledealer

Жыл бұрын

Dosent make it any less true

Taika Waititi and a gallon of calm-the-fuck-down juice should have met

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍

@dawfydd

Жыл бұрын

hahaha indeed. I think it was lucas syndrome he got high on his own praise then didn't accept input when people were like "right i think you went too far" Lucas, Roddenbery, and Taika, JarJar Arbams etc.. they have good vision but need reins held on them or at least people with realism to pull them back.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@dawfydd Lucas is better than Taika tho.

@dawfydd

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 Hands down, but i think the creative types like them both need a guiding hand or budget reasons to not go insane and put stupid stuff into it. Had the director from Empire been overseeing episode 1, it would've been a masterpiece imo. Just cut out JarJar give Obiwan more screen time along side Quigon, as Anakin shouldn't have as much as a role, i don't get the whole pod racing thing, its not needed. I'd also cut one of the plots at the end, either the space battle cut down entirely or the raid on the palace, both plots are to disable the droids.

@nochannelmusician769

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 I disagree. Lucas had so much help creating Star Wars, even though the original concept was his. There was a great team of people who helped make those movies the classics they are. With Taika, he definitely has a big team too, but at least his personality shines through everything he makes (although it really worked against him for Thor 4

Quill is actually way more relatable to this movie than I thought. His Dad was an "sshole god. And his Mom died of cancer like Jane was going through. But they couldn't find a way for him to relate?

@naufalmEZa

Жыл бұрын

The same piece of Godhood caused their deaths. Further reinforce that Gods aren't only redundant, but also toxic. They destroy even the worthiest due to what? Lack of blood relation. Original Gorr storyline refutes that idea, Thor is at his peak when he put the heroism and being a "God" in the same principle, he's already selfless, he just need to reinforce that, being able to be everywhere in the 9 realms. Let's not forget Drax, who suffered the same fate as Gorr, having to live on failing to save your daughter from death.

@DivertingTales

Жыл бұрын

@@naufalmEZa At the same time Peter is a half God who gave up his power.

@freshgarbage1492

11 ай бұрын

Nah man they had to make time for terrible jokes instead of spending time with interesting characters or conflicts (Guardians, Gorr, Cancer subplot, none taken seriously)

Quill literally ties into the two main plots of the film: his father is a god, his mother died of cancer

@zzeroara9511

Жыл бұрын

frankly Taika should be absolutely embarrassed with what he did to this movie :/

Valkyrie and Korg should’ve been the glorified cameos and the Guardians should’ve been the main supporting cast. They actually serve Thor’s story to be there and aren’t just overindulged to make Taika happy.

@Luke_SkywaIker

Жыл бұрын

They were fine for Ragnarok but drastically overstayed their welcome in this film. Plus I’ll never understand the halfassed reason Thor decided to give his crown to Valkyrie :/ One of the many shitty decisions made in Endgame

@finleykennedy7763

Жыл бұрын

Korg is there way too much; he’s just not as funny in such a large dose. Valkyrie just didn’t get anything to do, like she’s just standing around the whole movie.

@dannypalin9583

Жыл бұрын

@@finleykennedy7763 Korg is the epitome of milking a joke. He was funny in Ragnarok and Endgame because he's used sparingly. He's completely overstayed his welcome now.

@Vapor817

Жыл бұрын

@@Luke_SkywaIker eh it fits with his descent into alcoholism and binge eating. someone had to take over administration and thor giving his title to whoever shouldered its responsibility makes sense. of course that would mean that valkyrie would have to actually rule new asgard instead of adventure with thor in the next film but oh well

@realjohnlove

Жыл бұрын

@@Luke_SkywaIker more it makes no sense for her to call herself a King lol

One of my immediate critiques was that Taika could’ve selected a very emotionally resonant supporting cast with a few guardians members; but he went with Korg and Valkyrie. Starlord should’ve also interacted with Jane- the cancer storyline would’ve been great.

@NoWayJose24

Жыл бұрын

Right, and when she passed he could have held her hand something he failed with his mother

@solvemproblerstudios5889

Жыл бұрын

@@NoWayJose24 That could’ve been kind of tragic- Not so much the sadness Quill would feel but the guilt. Thor could be preoccupied with Gorr and Quill would feel the shame of trying to comfort her, and even encourage her to hold on so Thor could say goodbye.

@feloven

Жыл бұрын

@@solvemproblerstudios5889 fuck, that would've been so good

@ultracloudx

Жыл бұрын

Man at this point i wouldn't mind if they just remake the movie since im sure it can still end the same way while having drastic improvements.

@hidayatmusroni

Жыл бұрын

Yeah probably would help with quill trauma or probably reawaken his trauma so him leaving the guardian is kinda hinted

honestly never gonna forget how marvel literally had the chekhov's gun of all time being omnipotence city and the line "gorr cannot find us" and didn't take the chance to have an attack by gorr on the city

@FullFatVideos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s mad

@jdcsiahaan

Жыл бұрын

i was literally expecting a slaughter there but nope, gorr just kidnaps and terrorizes kids. dammit what a waste

@dannycondeii

Жыл бұрын

@@jdcsiahaan same! I wanted to see some god heads roll

@something1600

11 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos Chekhov's nuke.

That's a scene I would have enjoyed. I am seriously upset we aren't getting Asguardians of the Galaxy...

@naufalmEZa

Жыл бұрын

This is the only joke i'd accept

@ApexPheonixYT

Жыл бұрын

​@JustSolitude Yeah Endgame was leading up to something like that, guardians should have shown up towards the beginning then maybe a few scenes here and there, and then the end. Maybe no GoTG 3 for too long he would just mop the floor with everyone.

@the_enderslayer

Жыл бұрын

I was really hoping Love And Thunder would've been the Asguardians Of The Galaxy movie we were teased for.

@harrambou9468

Жыл бұрын

I KNOW!

I like how you included Drax in the omnipotent city alternate scene, it shows how both him and Gorr lost their daughters to tyranny

@zzeroara9511

Жыл бұрын

I'd even go a step further and say Drax should have been embarrassed at Gorr, because of how close Drax could've been to what Gorr became. I think there should've been a scene where Drax realizes that he easily could have become Gorr if not for the Guardians. That would be fucking AMAZING.

Maybe Gunn should have been a co director with Waititi to keep all characters as faithful as they were in their previous movies. Would Waititi alone be capable of writing the guardians as good as Gunn did? Much like did the Russo Brothers write each character in Infinity War and Endgame as faithful as their individual directors?

@loganbigmo

Жыл бұрын

The Russos aren't writers.

When it was announced that the Guardians would appear in Thor: Love and Thunder, my mind initially went to the fact that the Star Lord lost his mother to cancer. I feel like there were a lot of potential emotional character moments that could have stemmed from that connection between Jane, Star-Lord and Thor

@harrambou9468

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, Taika wasted _so much_ potential of having the Guardians cross over with Thor, especially at the same time that Gorr showed up

@MrLachapell

Жыл бұрын

But taika happened

I absolutely agree. There are so many missed opportunities in Love & Thunder, and this is a huge one I hadn't put together before now

After what Disney did to Hulk and Thor I'm not looking forward to see what they'll do with the X-Men

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

The Fox X Men movies were hit and miss already anyway….

@RayMcElroy50

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 but they're more watchable than most of these movies And they didn't treat the characters like parodies of themselves

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@RayMcElroy50 First 3 X Men movies are great but it went downhill with Origins Wolverine

@arturocastroverde3349

Жыл бұрын

​@@chasehedges6775 tf? Logan is the best lol. Deadpool First Clas And DOFP are classics, way better than the OG Trilogy

@arturocastroverde3349

Жыл бұрын

​@@chasehedges6775 nah, they have some of the best comic book movies ever

Finished the video, and your idea would have made a really epic movie. The GotG were totally wasted as a cameo. I would have also liked to see more interaction between Gorr and the corrupting force of the sword.

Star-Lord is one of my favourite characters in the MCU and while I enjoyed Love and Thunder a lot for being the first romcom in the MCU, I do think that Quill and Gorr interacting would have fit very well thematically. I would have personally removed the "save the children" framing device and instead given Gorr more scenes of murdering gods on-screen and let the Guardians team-up with Thor and the Mighty Thor during the final battle instead of the kids. They could have kept Gorr's motivation of being a father the same as well as Quill and Nebula would both have arguments about Ego and Thanos

@peterfrank3365

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, the children served no thematic sense and it only betrayed Gorr's motivation - He hunts gods because he deems them careless and yet the "kidnapping the children" plot would only work if Thor cares about the children.

@janebarry-fraundorf4623

Жыл бұрын

Star Lord/Peter Quill, is one of my favorite Characters in the MCU, if not my favorite and Chris Pratt is one of my all time favorite Actors!

My problem with quantumania wasn't really that they had to get rid of Kang's suit for it to be a fair fight. My problem is that without his suit, it shouldn't have been a fair fight. Kang is a god, or as close to one that a mortal can be, yet he lives for passion. He fights wooly mammoths with his bare hands just to feel alive. He destroys civilizations with his armies, yes, but his true power is his absolute willpower. Indomitable will to rival that of Peter Parker, but not restrained by morality. Immortus isn't just a future version of Kang. He's Kang when Kang gets bored. When Kang loses the will to keep conquering, keep pushing the bounds of the universe, of mortality, of time itself. Nobody really reads many Kang comics so they don't realize his true character, but Quantumania, for as good as Jonathan Majors is, did kinda a character assassination of Kang. The idea that scott without his suit could survive for seconds against kang is ridiculous. This isn't even a batman v superman scenario, give ant man a million years of prep time and he should still literally be an insect under the boot of Nathaniel Richards.

@bangeranginretroman3064

Жыл бұрын

Right, they treated it like a iron man scenario where hes just nothing wothout his suit. Kang is so much more than just a suit and they really didnt show that, he felt much too reliant on his tech

@somedudewatchintv5297

Жыл бұрын

I disagree about Imortus, at least the MCU version. He didn't just get bored he literally conquered everything, and there was basically nothing left. He got comfortable to the point that he didn't feel a need to put on much of a show for the Loki because he was so far above other being it didn't make sense to show off.

@GarrettTheViking

Жыл бұрын

I still feel that Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes gave us the best depiction of Kang in media. That show was so good.

@zzeroara9511

Жыл бұрын

​@@GarrettTheViking To be honest, if Kang Dynasty (assuming they're still doing that, given what happened with Majors) doesn't use the same plot as Kang's arc in EMH- but with Sam instead of Steve -it will most likely suck ass.

Going off the writing in Infinity War, Starlord changes his accent because he's threatened by Thor. I thought he'd have Gorr after him too by claiming his own God-hood during another pissing contest-style scenario. Outlandish, but that's the Guardians for you. I was surprised when literally nothing of importance happened with them.

The Guardians being so minimal in the movie isn't just a missed opportunity to have them adventuring the cosmos accompanied by classic tunes, but both parties are very familiar with loss. It could've even be the central core of the movie. Quill banded the Guardians together by calling each of themselves as losers. Thor lost his family and friends, and in here, about to lose his love. And of course, Gorr lost his daughter. Even the dialogue between Ego and Quill as the latter rejected his godhood rings familiar to Frigga's words as she comforted Thor. I did a re-write on this movie and I instead have Quill interact with Jane. Both she and his mother fell for a spaceman and subsequently dying of cancer; a parallel that's hard to miss which the movie did anyway. Beneath her Thor facade, she's already in an advanced stage of the cancer but still uneasy on how to break it down to Thor. And Quill's there to encourage her to do so anyway. Jane is also the one to challenge Gorr's beliefs. He fatally impales her and gone is her facade. He realizes she was a mortal and in her dying moments stood by a god, her love. He angrily brands her a fool, but this serves as a catalyst as Thor further challenges Gorr by allowing him to kill Thor, in the name of his love. Gorr decides not to. I can post the summary in here if anyone's interested. Going back to the classic tunes, the movie didn't even make it sensible. Guns & Roses' tunes play through the movie but why? They don't come from Quill's Zune. Thor wouldn't even know them.

@peterfrank3365

Жыл бұрын

@TheGlassesPro It's just a plot summary, so more of the nuances are not included. It's to be narrated by a woman. It begins with a montage of Thor working out and going on adventures with the Guardians. After a brawl with other galactic bounty hunters, which started after they question Thor's identity, he recalls of his old days and plan to move on again, not most suited with the Guardians' lifestyle. He and the Guardians tend to another SOS call, revealed be Lady Sif, fighting the Shadow Beasts. In the battle, Thor finds Jane, wielding the Mjolnir. Sif is injured so Jane, Thor, and the Guardian head to New Asgard on Earth to have her treated. In there, Sif reveals that the Shadows were summoned by "the god butcher". At the same time, Thor reconnects with Jane, who says that the worthiness came to her "like a calling". Realizing that Jane is now known as him, Thor believes that the God Butcher would come after her; he seeks him out by going to places where others gods bave been slain. Korg as company. In New Asgard, Quill calls Jane and Valkyrie unfair to have not informed Thor of Jane's development. Under Darcy's encouragement, Jane reveals to the Guardians that she's dying of cancer; she has lost her hair and appears frail whenever she drops the hammer. A flashback reveals what she has been up to as Mighty Thor up until that point. She have been reluctant to tell Thor, as she didn't know how to break it down for him, especially since their relationship have ended. The group eventually learns of Thor's absence and track him down. Thor and Korg find themselves in a trap by the God Butcher; though he himself is nowhere to be seen, he raised the slain gods as his undead army to confront Thor and Korg. Jane, Valkyrie, and the Guardians came in nick of time. At this point, the narration begins to breakaway from what's actually happening in the story. Understanding that they do not have the advantage, they set out to the Omnipotent City to seek help from King of the Gods, Zeus. On the way there, Quill apologizes for his earlier behavior to Jane earlier and encourages her to open up her condition to Thor. Zeus seems jovial towards the group at first, but gradually turns against them, as he holds low opinion on Asgardians. He and Thor clash, but only briefly, before the group is held captive in the city prison. Zeus and his fellow gods hold a festivity, just vainly celebrating their godhood. They're eventually interrupted by someone Zeus assumes to be one of themselves. He reveals himself as Gorr, the so called God Butcher. He wields a sword Zeus recognize as the Necrosword. He calmly taunts Zeus, enraging the latter. Gorr, after killing several gods, unleashes his Shadow Beasts, including the resurrected slain gods, onto the living gods while he goes on to fight Zeus alone. In the chaos, Thor, Jane, and the Guardians escape. Thor rescues Zeus, though the act goes unseen by Gorr. Zeus maintains his disdain for Thor, ungrateful. In return, Thor kicks him away and steals his Thunderbolt. He and Jane form a duo, combating Gorr and his minions. An overwhelmed Gorr calls for a truce and presents an ultimatum: whoever it was who saved Zeus, they must to come to his place, the Shadow Domain, where they duel until the death. If not, he unleash his Shadow Kinds upon the universe. The heroes regroup back in New Asgard, planning the battle with Gorr. Jane insists on going, despite Thor's reluctance. She then reveals to him that she is dying of cancer, Mantis confirms it, saying the next time she reverts to her human form, it'll be her last. Jane have settled with her fate and wishes her final moments to be with him, in the battle. Thor becomes upset and leaves the room to process it. He is suddenly pulled into another realm. He lands in a pond and standing tall before him is Yggdrasil itself and the Three Sisters of Fate (I decided to blend the Moirai and the Norns together); the oldest sister is revealed to be the narrator. She tells Thor that they have found him quite pesky, having constantly move away from the fate they've written for him since Thanos' defeat. But Thor's rescue of Zeus is one act that irked them most; Zeus, being King of the Gods, is the only one of the gods to hold sway over the Three Sisters. He used to be wiser but grew vain, and they grew to despise him in return. Zeus' latest request for them is to make the Necrosword itself, to be used to murder a god over a love affair with a goddess. The Fates arranged this to be his hubris and thus, complied to his demand. Zeus killed the god but was so self absorbed that he left the sword in the corpse of the god, and it would later be found by Gorr --- The Fates intended Zeus to be killed by Gorr. Thor calls out out their hypocrisy, stating that their desire for Zeus' death instead cause more deaths of other gods and now risk the universe into total chaos. He states that he'll kill Gorr and retrieve the sword to them. The Fates are willing to accept; in fact, they offer to grant a wish from him should he be successful. However, should Gorr kill him, his wish would be granted instead. At this point, there is no more narration. Thor returns to his group, allowing Jane into the fight, saying that he could save her. They set course to the Shadow Domain, which unlike the movie, is a shattered planet and in pieces, rather than a whole round micro planet. Nearly all is absolutely black and white, with the exception of the lightnings from the axe and the hammer, which are blue; the bolt, which is yellow; and the Guardians' blasters' beams, which are green and pink. In some walls, the group see shadow plays based of Gorr's memories with his daughter. When they find him, the Guardians try to reach him through his plights and loss. Gorr rebukes them, and calls them silly for risking their mortal lives for that Thor's, an immortal. He summons his Shadow Creatures to battle all of them; he himself sets focus on Thor and Jane, though he doesn't know who the real Thor is. In the fight, Jane manages to wound Gorr, but in turn, he manages to fatally stab Jane, and he senses that she is a mortal all along. Thor rushes to her and Gorr stands still in bewilderment, practically giving the two a moment. In Thor's arms, Jane states that at a point, she knew dying to the disease is certain and have accepted it, she just had trouble saying goodbye to him. With her wish fulfilled, she dies. The Mjolnir comes apart again and unable to be used. Thor then returns to another fight with Gorr. The latter's wounds grow fatal; however, Thor "forfeits", giving Gorr a chance to kill him. Gorr swings the sword but stops before it strikes Thor. He deems Thor "not like the other gods" he's killed. Time then stops, freezing the battle with the Guardians and the Beasts. The oldest of the Fate appears, in full color, and she comes to both men. She scolds Thor for seemingly renegading their agreement; Thor must be the victor as Gorr is at the point of certain death. However, Thor insists that Gorr could've killed him still at that moment. The Older Fate yields and offers to grant a wish to Gorr; he chooses his daughter. She appears and reaches him. Gorr makes Thor vow to care for her before dying. The Older Fate then says that she and her sisters will not interfere too closely within the realms of mortals ever again before vanishing, taking the sword with her. Thor and the girl come out to greet the Guardians and Asgardians, now in color. In New Asgard, Thor part ways from the Guardians to care for the girl. Quill congratulates Thor for finding his peace. Thor, in turn, wishes Quill would find his when he finds Gamora again. Later, Thor puts the girl to bed, offering to tell a bedtime story. He suggests the story of Iron Man or Captain America, but the girl chooses the story of the Mighty Thor. So he tells her the story, starting with how he met Jane in New Mexico. The POV pans out the bedroom through the window into the starry night sky. The credit rolls with the actors' name linked to their roles based on figures of the constellation. The post-credit scene is Oldest Fate narrating directly to the audience; saying while that concluded the chapters of Thor's love and thunder, it is not the end of his story, for he shall return.

@peterfrank3365

Жыл бұрын

@TheGlassesPro Yeah, I found Eternity and the Necrosword in the movie as non-sensical. Eternity is supposed to be the embodiment of the multiverse itself, but with all that power, all it is was a plot point of granting wishes. The sword's purpose also goes against Eternity's, so why does it want Gorr to reach Eternity? So I covered the pot holes by weaving it together by the Norns/Moirai. They'd actually serves the story, allows the theme of fate for Thor to resume, and a way for me to take MCU's self-awareness to a next level, and not just for jokes. Anyway, thanks for reading.

@shayenecabral4726

Жыл бұрын

​@@peterfrank3365 woah, that is really good.

@Lost_Yeti

Жыл бұрын

For music it kinda makes sense. Since ragnarok they used irl rock tunes like led zeppelin and there was no zune

@peterfrank3365

Жыл бұрын

@@Lost_Yeti 'Ragnarok' used only one Led Zeppelin tune, played twice, and 'Immigrant Song' had lyrical references to the Norse mythology. 'Love and Thunder' had some of Guns 'n Roses' hits and ABBA's 'Our Last Summer'. Maybe one or two songs fit a particular scene, but for the overall movie, they lack reasoning.

Yes. The Guardians should have Helped Thor and Jane fight Gorr

@somerandolad

Жыл бұрын

They should've joined in during the final battle.

@grimmcrag8715

Жыл бұрын

Nah it's ok, we don't need the guardians we have a bunch of children.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@grimmcrag8715 😂😂😂😂. LAZY WRITING

@harrambou9468

Жыл бұрын

They should’ve regrouped with him in the final battle when it was just Thor and the kids.

While my problems with Thor: Love and Thunder are mostly with the writing moment-to-moment, I think the film would’ve definitely been better if the Guardians had been supporting cast members for the whole movie like Hulk in Ragnarok.

@BlackSaiyan24

Жыл бұрын

Or like Dr Strange in No Way Home. If not all of the Guardians, they could have at least written a story where only like Quill and Rocket help Thor and they catch up with the rest of the team after and Thor goes his own way.

@harrambou9468

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not the WHOLE movie…but definitely in the final battle, and at the end

When your film Narratives are called phases, it’s only a matter of time before the entertainment value is…. Phased out *Puts on the sunglasses 😎*

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

YEAAAHH

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

You can only stay on the ship for so long.

@AncestorEmpireGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@erubin100

Жыл бұрын

You might say Disney's going through...a phase! (I'll leave now)

The God Butcher's head turned towards Quill, slow and creepy like; with his piercing yellow eyes almost reflective as they projected Quill's own stern - yet terrified - image back at him. With sword in hand Gorr stepped away from the blood drenched carnage behind him; purposefully dragging his foot over Drax's beaten body as he walked towards Quill. The sword dripped with red plasma and what was left of several pieces of clothing now impaled on the razor tipped blade, and as he raised it to force his way into Quill's chest: he stopped. Gorr hesitated and just looked at him. Quill took a step back and promptly raised his twin blasters, his nostrils flared with every angry exhale he made, his fingers, quivering to pull the triggers and let Gorr have it all. But... Neither of them did. Gorr let out a winced grunt and cricked his neck a few times, a gutteral growl coming from his throat and he pointed at Quill instead before speaking in a soft, commanding tone "I sense the God's in you. You're not like the others, a mortal. Like me... Who are you really?" Quill didn't say a word for what felt like an eternity but he eventually blurted out "My name is Star-Lord! And you're right; I was once like them. But not anymore, I changed for the better!" The tensions were high. Drax was slowly coming too, and he struggled to sit up clutching his ribs where Gorr had hurt him the most. For the first time in a long time The Destroyer felt like he'd been beaten. He noticed them both talking rather than fighting, and had to resist the urge to get involved himself "Kill him, Quill! He is no man! He's a monster! He killed them all and you'd rather talk with him!?" Drax said, very concerned, confused and a little angry. "This matters not to you, Destroyer; silence or I'll send you to where your family could never meet you again..." Gorr didn't even look in his direction when he spoke. Quill nodded at Drax, and Drax - although very determined to fight - shut his mouth. "I lost my powers a long time ago, Gorr. Believe me I was once like you. I lost someone close to me." Quill continued, but Gorr's look of disarray morphed into an evil smirk and then straight into a sneer "Liar. What did you do, Quill? Lose them when you refuse to help like the others? Gamble them away in a bid for your own life?" Gorr couldn't believe it: he didn't want to believe a God would reject their ego and become a slave to the ones above. "He's telling the truth, monster!" Drax shouted out and he inhaled sharply at the pain he was currently facing. Gorr snapped his head in Drax's direction and yelled "Wait! He's right! M... My father was a Godlike being. Some of his essence rubbed off on me. I had to fight him, Gorr. I had to *kill* him! He was gonna destroy the galaxy and everyone in it! That includes you, Gorr, and whoever you lost!" Gorr stopped what he was doing and gradually lowered his sword once more, sighing deeply before pulling his robes hood back over the scars lining his head "Maybe there's hope for some of you after all..."

This sounds like a great idea! Having Quill confront and challenge Gorr ideologically and I’m so excited for Guardians Vol 3!

I'll be honest, I clicked on this video and just asked 'why?' I'd genuinely forgotten Quill was in this movie at all.

I didn't think the Guardians were gonna have much time in Thor 4, but it would have helped so much

We may not have gotten Starlord v Gorr…. But at least we were given several scenes with screaming goats.

I imagine Peter leaving Rocket in charge while he’s gone (if you’ve seen Vol. 3 you know why this is a good choice) and being a good supporting character. The two were standoff-ish in Infinity War and Endgame but they could’ve built a brotherly bond. I’ve seen it mentioned a lot here but the connection Peter could’ve had with Jane with her cancer would’ve been pretty impactful. The movie’s heavy use of Guns N’ Roses in the soundtrack would also make a lot more sense with Peter there with his Zune. Each time I think of this movie I just think how much there was to be desired (I walked in thinking Khonshu would be a quick blink and you’ll miss it cameo in Omnipotencity but thinking about it now I’m glad he wasn’t in this)

5:58 ok this is kinda off topic but I just love how for this flashback scene they actually filmed ORIGINAL flashbacks unlike the typical reuse of scenes of previous movies like if that was their entire life, they also used some scenes of the movies but atleast they received the thought of making Quill's character an actual person with more than just adventures on screen and having emotional memories, they made him real

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Yeah I liked that too, it was nice seeing him laugh with drax and flying with rocket

I've seen Guardians 3 and it's amazing. They wrapped everybody's story threads pretty neatly too

i haven't even seen love and thunder but this makes me disappointed they didn't meet, there's so much potential there. also makes me respect star lord as a character more and his writing, i'm sure gotg 3 will be a banger

@harrambou9468

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Look, I’m usually pretty forgiving… but there is very little to redeem Thor 4. The music is good-overrated yet good-but it’s so overdone. The action is ok, but it’s ruined by bad dialogue and contrived *boulshet.* The Guardians are a welcome treat, but they’re in the film for 2-3 minutes.

I knew Christian Bale was too good for the MCU His performance was the only decent thing about the movie The rest was just disposable

@chasehedges6775

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Christian Bale deserved better than this and he’s too good for the MCU.

@zzeroara9511

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nobody is ""too good"" for the MCU. saying that is blind, unfounded hate and it's corny at this point

@ashleygollin7150

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I hate how he was acting all terrifying and yet the kids weren't even scared of him.

@user-gd2rg8xg2y

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​@@zzeroara9511 nah its fact, mcu doesn't deserve bale

Goes to show that just because a character doesn't have a ton of super powers, doesn't mean they can't interact with godlike beings in meaningful ways.

Commenting for the algorithm and to say you make a good point, even if the Guardians dropped out after wherever the confrontation happened it would set up Gorr's decision to give up on his goal to revive his daughter and entrust her to Thor

This fits SO well I hate we didn’t get this. It’s just so thematically perfect and it was set up so well

I love this idea so much-it definitely should’ve happened. Peter’s mother had cancer, and yet he and Jane didn’t get a chance to meet. Peter could’ve even comforted Thor in losing Jane to cancer…a lot of lost potential.

This small scene alone would have elevated the movie so much. Plus Peter also knows what it’s like to lose someone important to him from cancer. He really fits into this story really well.

5:05 best part of the video

Gorr and star lord meeting is a similar reason why a Loki and Mantis interaction would be cool. Similar situations different outcomes.

Your idea sounds a hell of a lot cooler than the stupid toddler avengers scene we got in the actual movie.

5:00 after "Ironman" I thought it said "Ronman" and was so confused until it cut to Ronan's face😂

The mock up scene you made is better than the entirety of Love and Thunder. Would’ve bumped up that movie by quite a bit.

Gorr not slaughtering the entire city of Gods was so strange to me. I was watching the film waiting for him to show up and nothing…

3:15 the head tilt Thanos gives even shows that he's like "Damn, my kid lucked out." or "Oh I wanna fucking kill him."

I like your "Elseworlds" breakdowns -- nice to see you do these again.

This is fantastic! Great video!

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Thank you!!!!

I would have loved to see Peter meet Jane. What an interesting interaction they could have had as 2 humans from Earth. Also, Jane is dying from cancer and well….

Fabulous story man. Volume 3 has me so hyped. I have a tradition of watching the Guardians movies with my mother. She doesn’t go to the theater often but we watched the first one I was with her. And when Quills mother died in the opening… i was destroyed. Got opened day tickets with her and Yes… i expect to cry.

This isn't the first time I've completely agreed with your revisions. I wish they'd hire you as a screenwriter.

Wow, your idea is awesome! This would have been so cool to see!

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Thank you!

Star-Lord never does anything that a normal human can do tho. Ive never seen him struggle with anything strength related and ive also never seen him lift anything. Its a clever way to never make him look weak

Taika Watiti and the editors should have met

You make an excellent point

love how you portray star lord ,its exactly as it should be. its why he is for me the best (my favorite) super hero in the mcu. thanks for your videos.

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Thank you!!!

I forgot Thor 4 so easily that I stared at this Thumbnail and title and thought, "Who the hell is Gorr?" For like 3 minutes Before finally clicking the video lol

Daaaamn, that's a great freaking pitch!

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Thank you!

Honestly I don’t think Love and Thunder is as bad as many people say. The movie has some good stuff, it was just a bit disappointing with some missed opportunities and the Guardians are one of them. I think Love and Thunder could’ve been much better and more fans would like the movie if it just had a few small changes to it. Like these…… - Less cringey jokes (obviously) - Longer run time. So the movie can be around 135 minutes long to 145 minutes long. - The Guardians of the Galaxy stay with Thor and help him with his mission against Gorr. - More serious moments. - Less screaming from the screaming goats. - Some of the deleted scenes stay in the movie (like Thor and Zeus talking on Earth and the Grandmaster appearing). - Less conversations between Thor and Jane on catchphrases and on who broke up with who (maybe one or two of each and that’s it). - The ice cream shop in Asgard has the Stark Gauntlet on it instead of Thanos’ Gauntlet (not very important to the story or characters but I have heard some people questioning that detail). The final thing I’d add is a small change to Thor, Jane and Gorr. I thought all three of them were done well in the movie, but this would make them better. Thor can still be funny and have that arc where he closes his heart so he can’t get hurt again, but add some serious moments to show how losing so many loved ones affected him. Gorr was almost just right so I’d just have a few scenes where he’s murdering Gods and soldiers. Jane’s story was probably one of the best in the film but I think she should’ve had a more personal reason for joining Thor on his quest. For that, I would add something from the comics to her story (warning I don’t read comics so this is all just what I got on the internet but I would add a twist to it). So when Thor and Jane’s relationship began to grow distant, Jane would meet a doctor called Keith Kincaid and she would see him behind Thor’s back. Weeks after Thor and Jane broke up, Jane found out that she was pregnant. The twist is she doesn’t know who the father is (yeah I know it’s inaccurate to the comics but it’ll work into the story later). She ends up having a baby boy called Jimmy and everything is fine but Jane’s work takes over and when arguing about it, Jane blips away (it is confirmed that Jane ended up getting blipped). Two things could happen to Keith. Either he dies in a car crash weeks later causing Jimmy to be in an orphanage or Gorr ends up murdering Keith in front of Jane in the present day. When Jane returns and learns that she’s been gone for five years, she is upset that she missed out on most of Jimmy’s life who would be around 5 or 6 years old in 2023 so (if Keith is still alive at this point) she decides to make an arrangement with him. She’ll try balancing her work out so that she can be in her son’s life and he agrees. But then she gets cancer and tries to find a cure, more determined now that she has something other than her career worth fighting for. She figures out that Mjolnir could help cure her so she goes to New Asgard and ends up being worthy. While fighting the shadow creatures, Jane briefly fights Gorr and somehow he would do something to find out her weakness but all he saw was a man and a boy. When Jane flies around the world to try find Gorr and the Asgardian kids, she comes across the old building where she lived with her husband and son years ago (at this point in the movie, Korg would then do a narration of everything I just said about Jane’s family life). She then heard bullets and flew a few miles where she saw Gorr murdering a bunch of police officers. Then he grabbed hold of Keith and Jimmy. Jane jumped down and threatened him to let them go. Gorr would almost instantly find out that she was the ex wife of the man and the mother of the young boy. He said that he had a daughter but he lost her because of the gods and now he will kill all gods. He then swished the Necro sword near Jimmy. Keith punched Gorr telling him to get away from Jimmy but then Gorr placed the Necro sword through Keith’s heart. Jane froze, horrified as she watched Keith fall to his knees. But when Gorr grabbed Jimmy’s wrist, Jane charged at him but he escaped into the shadows. Gorr said he won’t kill her because “it’s not her that he wants”, then he disappeared with Jimmy. Jane was mad that Gorr escaped with her kid but she turned to Keith and flew him to the hospital begging for help. As he laid on the floor, Keith looked up to Jane and told her that he was sorry for everything that happened between them. Two nurses then picked him up and put him on a hospital bed. His last words to Jane were to “promise him to save their son” before he was taken away by the nurses and doctors. Feeling angry, Jane flew back to New Asgard where Thor, Valkyrie and Korg were waiting for her along with the Guardians of the Galaxy. They had arrived not that long ago but their ship, the Milano had crashed and was now damaged. Thor told Jane that the kids were in the Shadow Realm and that they were going to go to Omnipotent City and put together an army of Gods to fight Gorr. As they were preparing for their journey, Jane was pacing in a room. She felt horrible and smashed the sink, even seeing a more sickly version of herself in the mirror. Then there was a knock on the door. It was Valkyrie and Mantis saying it was almost time to go. Valkyrie saw the sink and asked if Jane was alright but she brushed it off saying she was fine. Mantis then touched her arm and said that Jane was feeling nervous, anger and sickness, also love for a little boy. Jane then ended up telling them everything about Keith, Jimmy and her cancer, asking them to not tell anyone, especially Thor as she will do it herself later. When the goats were hooked up to the Viking boat,

I think an interesting way to tie this even closer to Thor himself would be for Gorr to discover Thor refused to become the king of Asgard at the end of Dark World. Thor at the time wasn't capable of discarding his raw power like Starlord could, but the what he could give up, he did. And perhaps if the movie is so focused on Jane's cancer and making her like Thor, perhaps Thor voluntarily attempts something Odin once forced him to do in the first movie. He gives up his power, granting it to her instead. Ideally this could happen after a moment when Jane actually earns Mjolnir instead of Thor just being able to give out his powers to whoever. Thor gives up his near immortality and effectively cures Jane's cancer at least for the time being. You could even lean into this further and have this start killing Thor, since Jane was dying and he's taken her place. So Gorr has not one, but two examples of gods giving up their power to save those they love. Gorr is nearly convinced, but ultimately doesn't come around, and he kills Jane. And since Thor's power was within her, he has at least for now killed that as well, to add some actual stakes. When Thor parts ways with the guardians, he says that he feels oddly relieved to no longer have his power. He's tired of fighting. He returns to New Asgard to continue building a new life for his people, which leaves the character in a place where Chris Hemsworth can leave the MCU if that's what he wants. And I think it works well thematically, since at the beginning of his first movie, all Thor wanted was to prove he was the strongest one in a room and to rule Asgard, all to stroke his own ego. He would end his potentially last movie having given up power, and ruling out of responsibility, not ego.

Your alternative scripts always make me laugh… not because they are bad ideas but at the idea that marvel writers could ever write something that competent

Kang: “You thought you could win” Paul Rudd & Michael Douglas: ANTS! ANTS! ANTS! ANTS!

Light Spoilers for Gotg3: This would make more sense as to why peter doesn't have his helmet and other equipment in Gotg3 as it would have been damaged during this hypothetical end scene. It also could have been the reason why Rocket was injured for the whole story of Gotg3 to take place immediately straight after or something after getting back to knowhere for those convenient medpacks. That would have been much better than the throw in Adam Warlock incredibly out of place opening scene that they did.

I'd say Quill's power isn't exactly luck but it sure is a whole lot of rizz

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“You’re getting to see the star Lord charm for the first time”

@ncisfan1002

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@@FullFatVideos He absolutely rizzed every woman he met and even alt-Gamora, as unrizzable as she is, understood why his Gamora loved him at the end

This would have made the movie so much better. I think the problem with Love & Thunder was how fast everything was in production on this phase. The fact we don't get even an adventure out of the team-up is a major missed opportunity of this phase. Honestly with the way things felt I feel like the holiday special and their scene here were filmed around the same time around Guardians 3.

At times Bale's performance reminded me of a Character from Alien 3! It's One of the inmates Mannerisms and Quirks! Like when Gorr was laughing and smiling to Thor n the Kids (Saying "That's a Good Story" or Something like that?) etc! Great idea FF Putting Gorr and Quill together! Plus Waititi Should Never be Aloud near a MCU and Star Wars (He didn't even Know Natalie Portman was in the Prequels lol Seriously 😆 😂) Films Ever! Cheers Mate

That’s actually a really good idea and the reason for why makes complete sense. I think it couldve happened if the Guardians went to Earth with Thor. Most of the movie would stay the same but Thor asks some of the Guardians to come to Omnipotent City with him. Star-Lord, Drax and maybe one more Guardian joins Thor while the rest stay to protect Asgard. That way, this scene can happen and maybe near the end, Star-Lord and Groot can go with Jane to the final battle so that Quill and Gorr can interact one more time. Not sure what could happen by then but it would still be pretty cool.

This would have been a great way to bring the movie together because it was a shambled rag with an amazing Gorr. Getting deeper with Gorr would have been great. How long did it take the authors to write Blood and Thunder? I recall it being a super short period of time with little to no time for improvements. We're looking at a rough draft of a movie.

This sounds like the type of random meeting that would happen in the comics but would give us some of the best panels and lines that leave us thinking.

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Thanks!!!

would be great

After endgame i asumed that thor would join the guardians. I didn't expect a 4th thor movie. Now after seeing it i wish we didn't

I definitely agree with you. Star-Lord should be there as a catalyst.

It's too bad that in the same movie they revealed his potential to be a cosmic heavy hitter, they depowered him 😢 Awesome vid!

This could have been the best characters intersection in mcu phase 4 (apart from no way home)

I'm loving the Marvel-Full Fat Cinematic Universe (MFFCU) because the fact this tweak relies on a previous tweak you made is incredible, the outcome is the same and I'm just gonna commit your version to memory and forget the real thing

Oh f***, you understand the material you didn't even write better than the people who did. Imo Marvel should hire at least as advisor - they obviously lacking people with proper writing knowledge. Like REALLY lacking. Thank you for this video. One of my favourite movie channel ever. Your sketch is way more emotional and thoughtful than entire phase 4 combined.

What's your opinion on the Nicholas Cage Ghost Rider, if they ever make any more ghost rider movie I kinda want to see a Carter Slade Ghost Rider prequel movie where is a wild west type movie

Its extra frustrating because Thor had some really great interactions with Rocket and Groot, and I really wanted to see more of them together. Especially since, (while my friend only showed me the parts up until the GotG left), Rocket seemed like he could’ve played a pretty big role in Thor’s character development? Along with the other Guardians considering their relationships and UGH idk I just thought it would’ve been cool to have more interactions between Thor and the GotG.

I didn't think about this at all. I like Love and Thunder a lot but this would've been really cool.

Man how did they not do this 😭 would’ve been so good

I'm sorry but the stitched dialogue at 5:04 is hilarious

"You Said It Yourself Bixch. We're The Guardians of The Galaxy." LOVE THAT LINEEE

I was gonna say I'm glad Star Lord wasn't more in the movie because taika waititi would have mucked it up but your example of how it could have gone was awesome, wish Love and Thunder was even half as good as that very short scene

04:13 oh my god. Best marvel movie ever.

Hey I don't know if you would be interested but would u make a setup tour? Just to see your consoles and setups.if u don't wannadoit then that's fine.

Thor: "you're going... To let them... Kill... Martha" Gorr: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?"

Most fans, myself included loved Thors chemistry with the Guardians, and they even teased an Asgardians of the Galaxy movie in Endgame. It honestly seemed like a no brainer. The decision makers at Marvel, Kevin Fiege and Taika Waitit included, really dropped the ball with that. Thor L&T had all the potential ingredients to be a great movie, but they completely screwed it up. Limiting the Guardians to roughly 10 minutes of screentime was the first big mistake

Man I loved this

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Cheers!!!

5:14 super Mario ahh jumping

Yeah but did you like Love & Thunder or not? Don’t sit on the fence! ;)

I literally forgot the guardians were in this movie

I totally agreed the Guardians were underutilized and your idea of having Quill meeting Gorr is pretty much well made. I might add having Quill talk to Thor about Jane being terminal, pairing both the experience of loss that either Godhood is the cause or doesn’t help. Wish they stayed longer, and would give an extra half star if the Guardians were given the Thor boost when the final battle was a little higher stake. Yes that is hypocritical and I know it will never happen. Just throwing in notes “looks amazing but doesn’t have the feel earned” file.

9:10 "You, you.... You're different." "No, I'm not. My Dad was a God, I'm not him." "You, *were* a God."

I DO agree

Now we could expand upon this making Rocket kind of relate with Gorr's feelings that gods are selfish and will use mortals, and hint of his relationship with the high evolutionary

I completely genuinely forgot that the Gaurdians were even in Thor 4 in the first place until you reminded me.

Not only have Peter and Gorr got a lot to talk about but Peter and Jane. Peter's mother was given cancer by his god father, he can relate to both of their griefs for the same reason and i think that ties all the characters together thematically. Theres also a large argument for peter to gain the necro sword. His demi god dna might give him some resistance to the corruption as well as a strong motive to not like the gods. Or Drax. Even if Peter was in it for just a little bit longer, you could easily justify the necro sword finding him in the post credits scene. If Gorr gave him any kind of cut and Peter grew it out of that cut in the post credit scene the audience wouldve been struck. Obviously none of that happened and we got a guardians 3 which had nothing to do with symbiotes but if he got that sword we couldve found ourselves on Klyntar the symbiote homeworld tying a version of venom into the non sonyverse mcu.

That would've be an awesome version

equal playing filled

Everything was heading towards Infinity War and Endgame Now the MCU became one big bubble, ready to burst

@chasehedges6775

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Infinity War was where it ended, honestly. Endgame was average at best.

@DreamyAileen

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@@chasehedges6775 Endgame was pure fanservice, and there's nothing wrong with that

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​@@chasehedges6775 eg was amazing

Now I want to see a spin off film where in between Endgame and Thor Love and Thunder where Thor and the Guardians go on a Space Adventure together.

I think some of Marvel fans need to cut Taika some slack. During the production of Thor:Love and Thunder, Taika was voice acting for Lightyear as a character who was quite involved so maybe he wasn’t on his A-Game during the production of Thor 4.

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He’s made enough good things that I think discounting him as a hack is totally unfair because of love and thunder

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@@FullFatVideos definitely. Taika is a great comedic writer, but I feel like a movie involving an extremely brutal character like gorr could’ve been written by someone else.