How do you see this, third DOJ lawsuit against Apple, play out?

@stevenbaumann8692

2 ай бұрын

It'll fizzle out into nothing. Especially when Apple starts contributing to all the politicians campaign funds.

@Nattodayy

2 ай бұрын

Cool. Sue them to make my iPhone better.

@STF_YVR

2 ай бұрын

Useless civil servants trying to justify their existence … the consumers will not benefit from this

@anthonytovar

2 ай бұрын

3rd time is a charm

@rhemy1

2 ай бұрын

It’s going to be an incredible waste of time and resources. With all the problems in technology this is what the doj decides to do.

Selling pro laptops with 8gb of base memory and charging $200 for memory upgrade is an absolute theft.

@Jaraizer

2 ай бұрын

Preach!

@KlutchAndJerel

2 ай бұрын

The upgrade pricing is absolutely ridiculous, but 8gb of RAM is very much usable, even on a “pro” machine

@kruxdt6307

2 ай бұрын

​@@KlutchAndJerelNuh uh

@user-bz8bz7fc3k

2 ай бұрын

... iPhone back cover change, restricted repairing, offset people for memory upgrade .....is all essential/intrinsic part of the extremely crucial process of tightly knitted eco chamber which Apple offers to its customers for unparalleled SOFTWARE/HARDWARE SECURITY , TOP NOTCH CONSTRUCTION 👈 No other Tech Mammoth has ever been able to afford in this planet . THAT'S WHY ITS APPLE.🧡

@nottsoinnocent

2 ай бұрын

Coming straight from today's MKBHD video huh

Apple about to drop a $500 million dollar donation to a special someone.

@t0n0k0

2 ай бұрын

💯

@gillianorley

2 ай бұрын

Well, we know Hunter is a Mac user. Or is that “Russian disinformation”?

@jacqdanieles

2 ай бұрын

@@gillianorley Hunter Derangement Syndrome

@Iamtheman325

2 ай бұрын

Yea lobbying is just leagal bribery after mark zuckerberg was caught selling data and got slapped vwith a 750million dollars what are the odds he's still selling our data?

@tienphan637

2 ай бұрын

Wait, is it some kind of bribery??

The memory upgrade price gouging needs addressing more than anything, it’s borderline criminal.

@vz3_

2 ай бұрын

I just paid $800 in additional cost for a MacBook Air with 24gb of RAM and 1tb of storage. It’s brutal, and needs to change.

@kevinba7981

2 ай бұрын

@vz3_ The air doesn’t have fans, why would you upgrade the ram if the air wasn’t designed to do heavy task and overloaded apps. That’s what the pro is for.

@kevinba7981

2 ай бұрын

@@vz3_.

@cjfulbright

2 ай бұрын

IT is criminal, if you are held captive , and can't use any third party apps, once you own your phone.

@mariozamora9684

2 ай бұрын

Memory and Storage upgrade.

after EU fighting Apple with Consumer, finally the US hops in

@bruxi78230

2 ай бұрын

EU hasn't won any case yet. They make a lot noise so the misinformed think something is going on.

@asianstud7

2 ай бұрын

The EU has always been the leader in pro consumer protection. The US has a lot to learn.

@faheemabbas3965

2 ай бұрын

@@asianstud7US is a business. Why would they want to step in?

@miles5600

2 ай бұрын

@@faheemabbas3965 cause these changes won't really damage anyone's wallet lol

@KamaAnthem

2 ай бұрын

I detect a little communism..

WE USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@ljames5561

2 ай бұрын

Thank god, I love apple products but 200$ or more for a memory upgrade is robbery

@Furiousbanner

2 ай бұрын

used to pray? we still praying my guy, never let up

@CdeMaDaejsAripi

2 ай бұрын

😑 🙏🏾 👖

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@ljames5561 You people know that Apple aren't just changing a ram stick, right? Its not the same as other laptops which is one big reason it costs so much, but also one reason why the performance is so good....

@Jonathan.Gearhart

2 ай бұрын

I’m watching this on an iPhone

Apple is the King of software restrictions.

@gljames24

2 ай бұрын

Not just software; hardware too!

@hirnfaser7245

2 ай бұрын

its always been. its a decision, not just a business strategy. you can only achieve this kind of quality by having strict control over everything that happens. - whether thats true or not, its a kind of design philosophy that a lot of designers at least somewhat agree to.

@gillianorley

2 ай бұрын

Then buy something else.

@borisbalkan707

2 ай бұрын

So buy a Samsung

@joeyboli

2 ай бұрын

@@borisbalkan707 so shut up and enjoy better innovation by other developers which isnt provided by 'Apple'

$200 memory upgrades is absurd.

@AnakinSkywalker_1858

2 ай бұрын

As absurd as the may be I don’t remember Apple forcing anyone to buy their products u have a choice… So if u can’t afford it then stick to something that u can afford

@nakiangoderich3014

2 ай бұрын

@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 Let’s see… need a Mac or MacBook to do certain things, develop iOS apps, etc etc. So actually, Apple does indeed force used to purchase their insanely expensive products because of a simple thing: Abusive Ecosystem where they milk the developers and customers. Even trapping you in the Apple ecosystem.

@xcelpast

2 ай бұрын

then don't pay for it lol. nobody is forcing you to buy a macbook. mercedes charging $20k for a bigger engine with leather seats is absurd too 🤡

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

They aren't just swapping RAM sticks, you know this right?

@mashirokobato5509

2 ай бұрын

​@@AnakinSkywalker_1858lolz 8gb ram is ultra scam btw.. non upgradable hardware.... Planned obsolescence...

Ticketmaster too please, need to be open that case again

@CoryPchajek

2 ай бұрын

Ticketmaster is far worse than Apple.

@ralphcorneliuscastro

2 ай бұрын

100% YESSSS!!!!!

@abinodattil6422

2 ай бұрын

Ticketmaster is evil

@ljacobs357

2 ай бұрын

Both personify American greed.

@RareFXChrisC

2 ай бұрын

Yes! Also Google.

The sideloading ban is such a copout. Imagine owning a computer and not being allowed to download stuff from the internet, unless it's on the inbuilt app store on the laptop. Apple does this to force developers into the 30% revenue split on the app store

@westcoastavenger

2 ай бұрын

And without Apple, those companies do not get access to 1.2B users. You should have to pay to access their user base

@exponentialdongexpansion5223

2 ай бұрын

​@@westcoastavengerSide loading is a part of owning your phone. Being able to install the apps you want from who you want. Are you saying that every windows app should be from the Microsoft store? That every Mac app should be from the app store? That I shouldn't be able to download an older version of an app or an app that's banned from the app store? That small developers making apps for their community should be forced to pay apple to make their apps available? Your argument is inherently anti-consumer and anti-competition; customers and developers should be able to choose how to get and sell their apps.

@rassular

2 ай бұрын

@@exponentialdongexpansion5223 People want their corporatocracy, and they'll keep fighting for it until they get what they want

@me-myself-i787

2 ай бұрын

​@@exponentialdongexpansion5223You own the phone, not the operating system. You could uninstall iOS and install Android on your iPhone and then you could use whatever apps you like. But if you want to use iOS, you have to accept their conditions.

@J-Box9000

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean? You can “side load” all day on macOS and not have to touch the Apple App Store. A lot of great apps by indie developers can’t be found in the App Store. If you mean to say iOS and iPadOS, I hear you, but by prohibiting side loading you shrink the attack surface area tremendously. Go jailbreak your iPhone if you must side load, but why go through the trouble when it’s so easy to side load and root on Android?? There are tons of ROMS to choose from. Android is well known for its customizable features. A lot of people bank on their smartphone nowadays so security should be the top priority for these devices.

Sue Comcast too

@Jaraizer

2 ай бұрын

They can all get some of this court action

@tiromandal6399

2 ай бұрын

Apple is the far bigger evil.

@queasycarboy508

2 ай бұрын

​@@Jaraizer i'm sorry but i'm unaware of those 2 companies. Could you tell me what they did?

@kevinba7981

2 ай бұрын

@@queasycarboy508their website won’t let customers end their subscription

@najjee9467

2 ай бұрын

Please sue them, they’ve had a monopoly on home internet for too long. Other companies always saying, we’re not available in your area. At my old address the options were Xfinity or DSL from AT&T

I’m an Apple user, but I Love how all governments around the world are FINALLY attacking the monopoly! After Apple, take on Google with their Chrome browser and other stuff.

@niZmosis

2 ай бұрын

What is funny about Chrome is that it is built on WebKit which is one of the only projects Apple open sourced.

@vankerosene8164

2 ай бұрын

@@niZmosisWebkit was forked from KHTML !

@Thtuy

2 ай бұрын

I am amazed on how little and how much people know to think someone said chrome is a monopoly is crazy 😂😂,it's the Google service but I get where yr coming from

@caydenthompson126

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean go after Google? You can use Chrome on anything

@MasterFloop

2 ай бұрын

I am in the exact same boat! Dismantle the monopoly. Consumers should be allowed to use whatever tech they want and have it work well with whatever other tech they want.

The irony of this lawsuit ( that should have happened a long time ago.) is just how much Apple benefited from that Microsoft lawsuit.

@maxhill9254

2 ай бұрын

How did apple benefit exactly? Please elaborate.

@ceasetheday87

2 ай бұрын

@@maxhill9254 The original post quotes this video almost verbatim. Start from 1:04.

@rohith9439

2 ай бұрын

microsoft especially led by bill gates invested 200 million in Apple to appear in good books after they got sued by US government. Apple need that cash real bad at that time@@maxhill9254

@onweze1781

2 ай бұрын

​@@maxhill9254 made a lot of people switch to Mac in a time where most people used windows

@chlehqls

2 ай бұрын

​@@maxhill9254MS threw Apple a lifeline and support since MS was getting antitrust violations shoveled to them at the time. How the turn tables

The turnaround time on this video is super impressive. Great job Alex and team!

@NiceEyeballs

2 ай бұрын

I have two brain cells. What's turnaround time of a video? Like how fast they got the news and made a video of it?

@Loggerr

2 ай бұрын

​@@NiceEyeballsExactly

Apple doesn't allow the real Chrome or Firefox on the iPhone/iPad, which is crazy. Chrome uses the Chromium engine and Firefox uses the Gecko engine, but Apple won't allow them

@AnakinSkywalker_1858

2 ай бұрын

Yh Apple forces them to use WebKit because it’s their proprietary system and it works incredibly well with iOS

@WilliamSmith-hf8um

2 ай бұрын

No, Apple does not allow Chromium or Gecko on iOS or iPadOS. Firefox for iOS is based on Webkit, which is why it's so terrible

@esotericjahanism5251

2 ай бұрын

@@WilliamSmith-hf8um Ironically enough Chrome was first built using webkit

@sukhmandersingh4306

2 ай бұрын

​@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 No it's because they want a browser monopoly on their devices.

@ArunWadhwa

2 ай бұрын

Tbh, I’m happy with Chromium being kept out of iOS, but not having Gecko is a missed opportunity.

Gonna get a bucket load of popcorn for this

@ayushmauryars

2 ай бұрын

Share with me too 😢

@frenchiesaparis5741

2 ай бұрын

LOL 🍿🍿🍿

@blue_ig1

2 ай бұрын

Why? For a government stopping a company for being popular? I don’t agree with apple all the way, but tearing a company apart cause they sell too much tech is brain dead

The problem with Apple’s ecosystem isn’t that it’s seamless and vertically integrated, it’s that it’s a captive ecosystem. A massive one that now branches across most facets of people’s tech and monopolizes their options over time.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

You mean similar to Samsung, Google and Huawei?

@ratrodgrady

2 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelGGarry In what way do those companies discourage you from using other products?

@oevers

2 ай бұрын

@@MichaelGGarryAs Samsung user, this is not quite true. They all have their own ecosystem, but if you buy a product from another company (like a smartwatch), most features also work with your samsung phone. They don’t do as much to prevent you from buying other products.

@wlonsdale1

2 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelGGarrynot exactly. With the others you can side load or download apps from other sources. Android works with other android.

@PWingert1966

2 ай бұрын

The answer is simple Require that Apple allow Android, Linux or any OS to be installed on iPhones with full access to all processor features. Require that they make iOS open source and available to all and support RCS fully.

So, will they finally remove the need of a mac to develop apps for ios?

@dess3597

2 ай бұрын

Nope! 🤣

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

Buy a Mac, but you might not need to pay 25 dollars a year to distribute it

Ram and storage upgrade is a daylight robbery

It's about time. What took the DOJ so long?

@kookoo6128

2 ай бұрын

preperation on apple's part, and any other party who got on board with, who ever needed to be gotten on board with.

@ashbowers8028

2 ай бұрын

They forgot to pay a bribe... er.. their lobbyists forgot to pay the right politicians.

@GarrEFeLix

2 ай бұрын

Someone in the DOJ is looking for a pay out to put this away

@codecode1948

2 ай бұрын

Biden needs funds to defeat Trump

I am gonna be very honest here…. The CLOUD GAMING issue is super BS from Apple. Xbox Gamepass needs to use the Browser to work on iOS cuz Apple has some idiotic rules over Cloud gaming. So I understand the MANY complaints against Apple. Some may be justified but others are straight up BS from Apple. I have an iPhone and iPad and they really need to low the gear on their strict rules. Like LITERALLY if the user wants to take the risk it should 100% be on the user’s decision. Not theirs.

@rhemy1

2 ай бұрын

Why do you have an iPhone if you hate it so much?

@powerhouse884

2 ай бұрын

@@rhemy1 I don’t hate the iPhone. The iPhone doesn’t need change. The iOS regulations do. They do NOT do this for macOS so makes no sense to enforce it on iOS.

@Altik.

2 ай бұрын

@@powerhouse884macOS is something different :))

@SikSlayer

2 ай бұрын

@@powerhouse884 typical Apple fan bs response to what you said too. Asking why you hate anything... you made you point very clear.

@asianstud7

2 ай бұрын

Whats Apples justification for restricting the Cloud gaming to the browser?

It's all comes from one word "greediness".

@evelinecarolinelienhuaming1184

2 ай бұрын

One of Seven Deadly Sins!!! 🔥🔥🔥

@capybaraponque611

Ай бұрын

you mean greed

Why now? This lawsuit is like ten years late!!

@thisismetoday

2 ай бұрын

@@P.90.603 not for the millions impacted in those ten years

This isn't about any single thing like green/blue bubbles. This is about the pattetn of hundreds anti-competitive tactics that apple uses. Hopefully this finally gets Apple to make some bigger changes and start playing more fair.

@corvacopia

2 ай бұрын

And the green/blue bubbles themselves aren’t that big a deal, the bigger problem is the reduction of features and quality for messaging with non-iPhones

@IceBlueLugia

2 ай бұрын

What could be interesting is if Apple starts being “forced” to become less restrictive even if technically they don’t lose the lawsuit. Google pays Mozilla every year to develop Firefox to show regulators that a competitor to Chromium exists. Because there were so many anti-trust concerns. If Apple gets put in a similar situation, we might see sideloading happen, or hell maybe even iMessage/FaceTime come to Android

@aHungiePanda

2 ай бұрын

How are they not playing fair? You want them to open up their ecosystem? If so why? The only people that hate Apple are poor people and android users

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@corvacopia There are loads of quality messaging apps on an iPhone already. The rest of the world thinks the American addiction to ancient SMS is laughable,

@wlonsdale1

2 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelGGarrybut the rest of the world is addicted to being spies on with those same apps

If android gets iMessage or compatibility with RCS, I'm dumping my 14 Pro for a Pixel 8 Pro.

@sentientbeing05

2 ай бұрын

RCS is coming to iMessage

@Anderson-hi9qw

2 ай бұрын

Lets see how much they inhibit rcs though

@jaughnekow

2 ай бұрын

Nobody cares. Messaging is messaging

@tarunnekkanti7439

2 ай бұрын

Whatsapp bro!

@NorthlanderMN

2 ай бұрын

Same here. Can’t wait to dump my iPhone. It’s definitely a cult.

Are we seeing sunshine on the horizon?

@Al_i8

2 ай бұрын

No, they'll just settle with the government and give them a handsome payout. Consumers will get nothing good out of this.

@taylorcontreras5656

2 ай бұрын

@@Al_i8That’s all they want

I like this short format for breaking stories! Keep them coming!

Apple’s known for years that iMessage locks users in and that texting with Android users is an awful, and sometimes, broken experience. If this forces them to fully embrace RCS then that would at least be a small step forward.

@robo9439

2 ай бұрын

Apple has already announced RCS support coming this year. 😊

How does one create a monopoly with a product and service they developed and maintain in a market where there are clear alternatives (e.g., Android)?

@flexy_boi

2 ай бұрын

they make the rcs malfunction on purpose to apple watch "apple ecosystem"

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

and iOS app devs have to pay 25 dollars a year and 30% tax

@nickthaskater

2 ай бұрын

@@the_mariocrafter so? Nobody is forcing them to be in the Apple app store. They could publish to Android, Microsoft, Samsung, or just release an exe or apk file, or even a dmg if you're talking Mac.

@Gabri3lRocha

2 ай бұрын

@@the_mariocraftersame thing with google play store buddy 😂

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

@@nickthaskater If you would like to create a program on a phone that targets the youth, you can only publish on Android via an apk file, or desktop, unless you pay 25 dollars a year for iOS distribution.

This is the last thing I expected, for the US government to sue one of its country’s companies… normally the EU sues Apple, but not the US

@mboiko

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft thought the same thing...they were wrong.

@pranavmv6333

2 ай бұрын

If US not sue Microsoft back then. Apple will be bankrupted

I like Apple products, but I have seen that they are really just trying for you to stay at Apple. “No don’t pay for prime video, instead pay for Apple TV+” “you don’t need google photos, just iCloud” this is less choice.

If this allows Firefox and other browsers to have their true rendering engines and add-on support like UBO in the USA, then I am all for this.

This case just gave the W to Epic games who lost their cases. They lost the battle but they won the war.

@bruxi78230

2 ай бұрын

In the Epic case the judge indicated that Apple was not a monopoly. No way the DOJ wins this new case, they're just shaking down Apple.

@another_turtle

2 ай бұрын

@@bruxi78230 Yeah, just because Iphone are popular and apple doesn't allow 3rd party apps on their phone doesn't mean its a monopoly. DOJ rather go after this than airlines that cause actual danger to people.

@HoustonKhanyile

2 ай бұрын

I don't think they want too. Just like you said they want to shake down Apple until they cave. which is what Epic games wanted, somebody with the power to reel Apple in. It's a master strategy I tell you@@bruxi78230 .

@KonohasYeIlowFlash

2 ай бұрын

@@bruxi78230The DOJ makes some very good points. It’ll still be interesting to see how Apple counters their arguments. I imagine some sort of change to iOS/iPhones will result from this litigation, but this saga will play out of the next several years-there won’t be any swift resolution.

@westcoastavenger

2 ай бұрын

@@bruxi78230b-b-b-bingo! Cant be a monopoly if you only have a 30% marketshare.

Steve Jobs must be very proud.

@antoniobabb1938

2 ай бұрын

Very

@alphabeta8284

2 ай бұрын

He’s dead

@jamiekuchma

2 ай бұрын

Dicks in turtle necks..... Apple

@pranavmv6333

2 ай бұрын

Why because apple rise upto his greedy monopolic expectation. And the 80% world use Android than his iphone

I can’t seem to get Apple Wallet to work on my Galaxy S24.

@voodoodisco

2 ай бұрын

LOL LOL

@M16-bf4ku

2 ай бұрын

sue apple for that

Sue the Banks and Oil Companies

@Steve-nf1tg

2 ай бұрын

Sue everybody!!

@NorthlanderMN

2 ай бұрын

I’m for breaking up all the big banks.

@joelimbergamo639

2 ай бұрын

Oil companies are already whats left after they glt sued. Do you remember standard oil?

@KaseemBooker

2 ай бұрын

@@O._.O._.O lol 😂

@lalnunpuiafanai9479

2 ай бұрын

@@O._.O._.O90% of americans didnt prefer these to other fast food chains tho, while 90% of americans use iphones

Call it a 'Anti-competitive' or 'innovation inspired' - love the spirit behind the motion. Every monopoly needs to be assessed and reviewed under each industry verticals every 3-5 years for potential collusion.

As iOS dev, I hate app store fees, but they do the same thing when you want to sell stuff at walmart or any big chain store. Saying people have no choice but to pay them is wrong. You can choose to only distribute on other stores, like the Play Store. It’s not different from how some products can only be found at one store and not the other even though the store doesn’t make them. Some customers only shop at, let’s say Target, and you don’t have your goods on their shelves, that’s your choice, you won’t be able to access those people unless you pay them. Same thing happens here. What they’re saying is they want you to let other people set up their shop to sell the same stuff as you do in your sales area. If it ever happens, it should be your choice, not by law.

@thor9562

2 ай бұрын

This is accurate

@Jonteponte71

2 ай бұрын

People forgot a long time ago that if you wanted to distribute software before the appstore it was much more expensive per app (like ten times or more. And everyone had their own appstore and payment method) and when you wanted to distribute through physical stores you got to keep maybe 25% of the final sales price. If that. 20 years later, people scream bloody murder when they *only* get to keep SEVENTY PERCENT of the sales price. It could be cheaper, but it is not anywhere close to unreasonable. If it was, Google would only charge 5% and and no one would develop for iOS.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@Jonteponte71 You'd be lucky to even get the 25%, especially if you were working with a publisher!

@voodoodisco

2 ай бұрын

@nonnnth 100%

@Matti861

2 ай бұрын

When I sell my goods at a big box store I'm selling the product wholesale to the store who will then markup for gross profit. That's not the same thing

So this is surely changing Friday's episode of Vergecast

If you don’t like it, don’t buy it… but clearly most people do…

@ironspider6851

2 ай бұрын

and yet they complain "uhhh... my iPhone does not allow me to do this and that". like seriously... you put yourself in that situation. apple has been doing this for years. its your fault that you bought an iphone.

@GeoffDiaz

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@ironspider6851Apple user since iPhone 4s. I have never said “it doesn’t allow me to do…” if you want to do more. Simply get an android. If you want something simple and works well with its other products then get Apple. People do not need to get Apple products. People can complain all they want about how they can’t upgrade things or download certain things on those products. But they don’t have to use those products either.

@M16-bf4ku

2 ай бұрын

because you are out of options mfker you have anything other than an apple in college, you' re gonna get bullied real hard

There needs to be more choices than just iPhones and Androids. A duopoly isn’t much better than a monopoly. It’s ALL duopolies.

@PennyHerbst

2 ай бұрын

How do you expect app development to work on more platforms? We have seen exactly that back when there was Windows Phone. It sucked, mainly because most apps will be available only on Android and iOS

@litojonny

2 ай бұрын

you know how hard that'll be?

@joemorales643

2 ай бұрын

There used to be a third great option but y’all didn’t like it: Windows Phone

@Belaziraf

2 ай бұрын

@@PennyHerbst You forgot Blackberry. And now Harmony OS from Huawey. For Freelancer, developing for one platform consume enough time. For companies, it means twice (not exactly, but you get the idea) the cost. And it obviously go up, the more platform they have to manage. Then the main point remain ROI. More platform doesn't mean tons of users on them. MS store is still far behind. And I don't think Windows phone will be seen again before the store offer more apps. They better hurry, though as Samsung is stepping on the seamless ecosystem, which had always been Apple's best selling point. If MS can't get onboard on time, they can forget about trying a Windows Mobile OS again.

@mkhud50n

2 ай бұрын

@@PennyHerbst start over from scratch. Make apps that run on any platform. Maybe apps aren’t even needed anymore. Kind of hard to do when the market is already captured which is what they should have been preventing before it got this far. It’s like Coke or Pepsi at this point: either way Big Soda wins. It’s the illusion of choice with only two choices.

8gb ram 200$ 256gb storage 200$ That's apple inovation

It's insane it even got halfway as far as this in the first place

They could easily get rid of the restrictions without losing the benefits of offering their users vertical integration.

*Sony, Amazon, & Microsoft also take 30% cut.. this isn’t an unusual practice.*

@siliconhawk9293

2 ай бұрын

well the problem is that iphone users dont get a real choice their ONLY choice is app store and nothing else. android has side loading and 3rd party app stores idk how they manage payments tbh i don't use Google's payment services coz here in my country the government and the banks have their own system without the manufacturer's as an intermediary.

@Jj82op

2 ай бұрын

It's called price leadership, they see that Apple can charge 30% more and they say "why not? Lets do that too".

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@siliconhawk9293 Android has MASSIVE piracy problems and iPhone does not. The average developer earns multiple times more on iOS than on Android. Also Apples developer charge starts at 15%, its not 30% for everyone.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@Jj82op "It's called price leadership, they see that Apple can charge 30% more and they say "why not? Lets do that too"." Incorrect. Apple were nowhere near the first to charge 30% for digital stores. Valve for instance beat them by years with Steam.

It’s absurd, why isn’t Microsoft being sued? we use their OS at work because there is literally no other option… THAT is a monopoly.

@vedantjagtap3209

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft doesn't disallow you from installing Linux or sideload apps or use your computer however you want. Meanwhile Apple restricts you from installing any other os, doesn't allow sideloading in the US, and restricts the users on what they can do to their phones. I use a cheap Android because I don't care much but from second hand experiences it seams quite restrictive and idiotic as to why people buy so locked down phone then complain about no customisation.

Yes it's two day's trying to move icloud data to google cloud and still can't complete it. No option to download a folder in i cloud web. If you have lot of files you need a Mac for that.

All monopolies need to be broken down - Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook.

Not defending Apple, but the US suing Apple for a monopoly is a terrible joke since our grid, medicine, and cable are through one supplier in over 90% of the country. But better go after the company you don’t NEED to buy a cell phone or laptop with. I just don’t see how it’s a monopoly when it’s a choice to purchase it and the market has other options. By this regard Samsung is a bigger monopoly since they make refrigerators, washers, cell phones, laptops, TVs, etc…

@laurencefraser

2 ай бұрын

There is no law against being a monopoly. There are plenty of laws regarding what you are and are not allowed to do in order to reach and maintain that status, and the closer you are to it the closer the regulators will be looking at you for potential screwups, but being a monopoly is not, itself, a problem. Of course, it's a rare corporation that, having found itself with a monopoly, Won't promptly start abusing the hell out of it without heavy government regulation and oversite (which the US government Hates having to do), so...

@pranavmv6333

2 ай бұрын

Apple only succed because Microsoft sued by US over monopoly. Check history

@KobinaGordon

2 ай бұрын

Samsung’s systems are not as integrated as apple. Their home appliances do not relate to each other

@DaSIL3NC3R

2 ай бұрын

@@KobinaGordonthat’s why it’s a mess.

No one forces people to buy an Apple product. But the government, at least these nits, think they know whats best.

@ggproductions7078

2 ай бұрын

That's always an interesting position. Well, if you force people into exclusivity, when they design their devices to operate with poorer quality when used with non Apple devices and don't allow others to access their platform, it is anti competitive. This is not just about cost, I have a Macstudio, an S24 plus and Sony headphones, as well as a Windows laptop. Guess which devices play nicely with each other and which don't?

@ironspider6851

2 ай бұрын

​@@ggproductions7078 I'm not with apple or anything but the only reason your s24 works well with your windows laptop is because Microsoft and google have collaborated to get that broader set of consumers. initially neither android nor ios could connect with windows. back then ios could connect with mac but android couldn't connect with windows. so they made this feature. also I'm not really sure but i think Samsung phones do have an edge over connecting with windows computers than any other phones like Xiaomi or Oneplus. i have a Samsung so i don't know how good are the other android phones at connecting with windows. I have to do more research on this topic. and could you please elaborate on the Sony headphones issue?

@ggproductions7078

2 ай бұрын

@ironspider6851 hi there, about the xm4s, yeah, I probably need to update to something else soon, if I am connected to my mac and a call comes in, I don't seem to able to remain connected to my mac. Sorry for not being very clear. Windows machine, connected to phone and laptop, phone goes, pauses laptop connection, hang up call, instantly back to laptop/desktop audio, not so much with my mac, have to reconnect the Bluetooth. Oh, and I know why they play nicely. That was my point! Apple (until they incorporate Google AI) don't like to help users be cross-platform . Samsung limit some features of their buds too, don't get me wrong, Apple aren't unique they just take it to another level is all. Again, use a Macstudio so not anti Apple.

So what took them so long?

Remember when early iphones would turn off when battery charge got down to 30%? That was a software update planned attrition, was not battery issue.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

No. When did that happen?

@vernearase3044

2 ай бұрын

You're getting it all wrong - Apple limited power draw when the battery degraded to _keep the phone from crashing._ Other phone OEMs just didn't care if your phone crashed - a crashing phone would get you to buy a new one and the only profit point in the Android ecosystem is at the original purchase of the phone. In Apple's market, keeping a phone running reliably is the most important factor since Apple makes money from running iPhones in the form of app sales and service revenues.

Kind of a weird feeling I got from the omittance of "It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology." I 100% agree with the idea that Apple has, in fact, created a monopoly of sorts in various ways, many of which are provided in this very video. However, it does call to question just how much power the government should have over this sort of thing. Is this truly the government protecting the people from Apple's "digital tax", or is it just the government wanting all of the "taxation" to itself? With how much the government has dropped the ball on technological issues in the past (see the entirety of the right to repair movement, it's a wonderful thing yet the government is big stupid), I hardly think the government is doing this simply to protect its people. When it comes to the government, there's always a price.

@another_turtle

2 ай бұрын

The definition of a monopoly is "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.", you are not forced to buy an iPhone or apple watch this is all just a waste of tax dollars and to avoid going after real problems like the airline industry.

@monkymind4316

2 ай бұрын

Yes I think they are afraid of the potential power Apple could have over people. They don't like anything to threaten their all important power.

@gittyupalice96

2 ай бұрын

@@monkymind4316 good lord, the "United States of Apple" Imagine how the Apple DMV's would work. Please update your car, or we'll disable the device!

Former Apple user here watching this on my Samsung Fold 5 😊

I’ve seen videos talking about both sides, we’ll just have to wait and see what happens

This is going to be very interesting!

How can they be a monopoly when they aren’t the only phone manufacturer out there.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

And only have just over half the market in the US and less than a third globally. It makes zero sense.

@ratrodgrady

2 ай бұрын

Both of you are missing the point. While current generalized data shows Apple as having around 60 percent market share in the United States, their anticompetitive and restrictive practices have allowed them to majorly gain market share. Recent data shows that around 87 percent of US teens use an iPhone. Going from 60 percent to 87 percent within that time frame is not normal and is obviously due to their anticompetitive practices, such as preventing their messaging service iMessage from working with other messaging services and not allowing users to switch to a different integrated service. While there is choice in phone purchase, Apple has heavily discouraged people from choosing non-Apple phones by restricting services.

@trunkslion7391

2 ай бұрын

just use an android simple nobody is forcing nobody, What about Playstation and Xbox opening up and allowing side loading?, what abt the gov't capable of imposing taxes how they want on everything and you can do nothing abt it because they created the rules and spent billions in doing that(i know its our cash) but the pt for me is that "they created the rules and spent billions doing that to building this community too and nobody is forced to respect that because there are alternatives."

@ratrodgrady

2 ай бұрын

@trunkslion7391 Techincally they aren't forcing anybody, but they're using anticompetitive business practices to heavily discourage people from using competing devices.

@Cantripping

2 ай бұрын

​@@trunkslion7391They are, though. Take teens for example. When 87% of them use iPhones, what happens to the 13% who can't use iMessage? These pseudo-classist devides may seem trivial on first glance, but they're anything but. And being excluded from family or friends group chat simply because you don't want to drop 1000€ on an iPhone? Scummy thing for Apple to hold hostage.

What about Playstation and Xbox opening up and allowing side loading?

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

That’s an issue for the OAMA act to adress.

@CrisCheese_

2 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure the laws surrounding game consoles are different to a general purpose device like a mobile phone or other personal computers

The real fight is for access to your information… 😅

What are all these 'cool apps that have been restricted on iOS but are just fine on android'?

@Jj82op

2 ай бұрын

Stuff like OS customization, "super apps", any open source app. Any app or in app purchase is 30% extra cost and development itself seems to be tricky.

Why should you have to pay less fees to use a platform that's generating you millions? WIthout the platform and it's users, how else would you make a sale? Develope your own platform and charge what you want. Just saying.

It isn't a monopoly, the consumer is not locked in - even in the video it says Android is more compatible with more options (plays more video formats, has multiple wallets to choose from, etc). The Apple iPhones even cost more then the alternative Android flagship models (equivalent phones, some Androids like the Fold are of course more expensive for more tech); So there is no undercutting going on as the price is generally more for the iPhone than the equivalent Android. Seems like suing is a waste of time. People who always buy iPhone over an Android model mostly do it as that's what they like and are used to. Otherwise they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which means again, not a monopoly.

@Jsarson1976

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you 👍

I would have to agree with the government. iPhone 13 mini was the last iPhone I bought, or ever will buy again.

Finally, took them long enough. Compare Apple to Microsoft monopoly litigation... Mindblowing no one did much about it.

Doesn’t bother me to pay an Apple tax, I know what I’m paying for and I like it. The very reason I don’t buy a low budget android phone or even a high budget Android phone for that matter. I appreciate the ecosystem and you can’t convince me otherwise. 🍎 everything.

That 30% finally gets the karma.

great video thx

Maybe they can include a charger after this

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

Why, have you not got your own at this stage?

@hxxgni

2 ай бұрын

no thanks, i already own 5, why do i need more?

@yts23

2 ай бұрын

@@MichaelGGarry no I haven't. I just have an iPhone with no charger

I don’t understand If people so upset with Apple why not use something else. Asus makes great windows laptops, Google and Samsung uses good phones and smart watches. There is bunch of choices outside Apple ecosystem.

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

Because there is no way to replace the iOS on an iPhone with anything else. Your stuck with iOS and cannot install something else.

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

But you can install Linux on an M1 MacBook

@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833

2 ай бұрын

@@the_mariocrafter buy an android

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

@@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833 people already have their iPhone hardware.

@M16-bf4ku

2 ай бұрын

@@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833 you will be bullied if you do so

Apple has absolutely been waiting for this moment, they are absolutely prepared I am sure

@kilsterart

2 ай бұрын

Aren't they being annihilated in the EU space for this very reason? 🤔 Although, who knows what will happen in the US 🤷

@antiseth3964

2 ай бұрын

@@kilsterartI think the key there is that the EU is giving very little slack to Apple’s response and enforcing their resolutions. I don’t think the DoJ will ever get so far as to force Apple to behave the way they want them to.

@kilsterart

2 ай бұрын

@@antiseth3964 I can agree to that, tho I do hope we can get some good change from it.

@frenchiesaparis5741

2 ай бұрын

Pulling out chequebooks

@3811eric

2 ай бұрын

prepared for what? to get destroyed maybe.

One day I will be too a senior director of corporate communications. God I love those corporate titles. 😂

Meta needs to be sued too

why did you read everything from the Apple comment except the line "It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering the government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology"? .. why not say the whole thing?

@carlonharrington

2 ай бұрын

Fair

What phones are those people using?

@M16-bf4ku

2 ай бұрын

iphones

The problem with this entire case is that Apple does NOT have a monopoly like Microsoft used to and these comparatives are just idiotic. Sure, there are things where Apple should become nicer like allowing other payment methods but this does not make it a a monopoly because it is very easy to switch to android, and in fact, Android has a far bigger market share.

So funny how CNET has the same quote from Apple verbatim. They just checked the "lawsuit" folder and sent out the response.

They didnt sort Microsoft out though

I haven’t seen anything this bad since the Anita Bryant concert.

High margin profiteering products seems to be the norm with Apple whether its something tangible such as an iPhone or not such as an iCloud storage service.

No way! Finally the autorities are like it's unfair! Knowing our politician IQ and tech knowledge it ain't surprising that it took so long.

Sue em over the price of mac upgrades being 10 times more than standard parts.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

Because they are not standard parts and they are not "10 times" more expensive. You think Apple are just swapping RAM sticks?

@AnakinSkywalker_1858

2 ай бұрын

Then get a windows laptop dumba$$😡 nobody’s forcing you to get mac

Apple has a monopoly on its own product line, like doesn’t that apply to every company’s product line?

Just the pain to export photos from iCloud if want to backup or edit on another platform

Also the fact that i can't do a basic function of moving my itunes music that i purchased with my money onto an iPod shuffle that apple makes, from an iPad. What's the point of "purchasing" something when I can only use it on an app made by apple & devices that apple chooses.

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

Well firstly you didn't purchase it, you purchased a license to listen to it. Secondly the iPod Shuffle isn't supported anymore.

@edgerunner000

2 ай бұрын

@@MichaelGGarry thank you, would you kindly suggest services where I can purchase the songs and load up onto a usb stick?.

...a day late and a dollar short... 🤑🤑🤑

There is no monopoly. There are many other smartphones out there. The lawsuit is bs.

@alot_of_ducks

2 ай бұрын

$200 for 8gb more ram is bs

@krisswegemer1163

2 ай бұрын

@@alot_of_ducks Then buy something else. Consumers have control. Paying the stupid prices is what keeps them doing it.

@johnbigelson7471

2 ай бұрын

*duopoly. There are two choices. Not much of a choice if you ask me.

@krisswegemer1163

2 ай бұрын

@@johnbigelson7471 Duopoly isn't a monopoly, is it? But, if you invested a minute on Google, you would find several.

@MegaYoungscientist

2 ай бұрын

DoJ isn't just suing apple because they have a high market share. Big reason why DoJ is suing apple is that they use exclusionary tactics to give other platforms a disadvantage. Sometimes, Apple even puts the security of its own users at risk just to give other platforms a disadvantage (e.g. Android iPhone forced to use SMS despite no encryption). Sure, consumers do have the choice to buy other phones. It's just that Apple deliberately makes the experience of other devices worse so they can convince people not to.

When you read apple’s response, you skipped a sentence. Purposely?? 🤔🤔

so US as a country can be anti competitive banning tiktok and huawei but Apple cant do same?

Does The Verge exclusively do their hiring from the drama classes at their local college?

@kwb36

2 ай бұрын

You asking because you wanna apply?

@voodoodisco

2 ай бұрын

yeah the vergin is very anti-apple in reporting. the guy making this video definitely did high school theater

Google: owns 70% market share DOJ: Apple’s a monopoly! Google: 👀

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

Did you hear about the play store lawsuit, and how open Android is?

@ChanningChea

2 ай бұрын

@@the_mariocrafter You mean the one where they pretended to be open and actually closed themselves off while having 70% market share, thus resulting of them losing? Yes lol

@rigierish3807

2 ай бұрын

There is hardly any "monopoly" in an open platform: Android is open source so any company that wants to go their way to make their own version of Android can, without having to redo everything (they just can't take the Android name). So even if Android was 99.9 % of the market share, that would still not be a monopoly. The same way, Linux companies never got sued for monopoly reason because they owned +95 % of the server market share. iOS though is closed source and generally a very closed ecosystem, anti competitive and anti consumer, so yeah, that's a much bigger problem than any other market share in the world.

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

@@rigierish3807 also a Google Play antitrust lawsuit already happened

@vernearase3044

2 ай бұрын

@@rigierish3807 Actually, the good stuff in Android is _not_ open source.

Green bubble end has already been worked on to be removed.

@eblaze143

Ай бұрын

Too late for that, they knew after the EU situation US was gonna go after them. They want access so when terrorist attack happens they could get the info they need, double edge sword for us too because then "true privacy" is completely gone. New malware and viruses are coming soon too.

How does this mean cheaper iPhones? Wouldn’t them losing revenue from the App Store lead to the opposite?

@jackdominiak445

2 ай бұрын

Idiots will always be idiots (I'm off course referring to the government!

iPhone users think all android phones have crappy video when it's apple that is lowering the quality of videos when it detects it's sent from an android. Apple is also making it a security risk switching to SMS and MMS

@AnakinSkywalker_1858

2 ай бұрын

That’s not apples fault dummy It’s your cellular network provider that uses MMS to deliver those videos when you are sending from a goddam android because androids don’t have iMessage 😡😡 Pls think before talking

@AnakinSkywalker_1858

2 ай бұрын

If you want iMessage get an iPhone 😡

@shansadventures1

2 ай бұрын

@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 I don't want iMessage. That's not even the point. Wow

@phoenixlaw5225

2 ай бұрын

source?

@MichaelGGarry

2 ай бұрын

Stop using ancient tech like SMS and MMS!

As a developer, I'm quite happy with the cut that Apple takes (which... is actually 15% for most of us) as they provide a TON of developer tools and behind the scenes work which makes my life way easier, especially with dealing with all sorts of different tax implications when selling worldwide. The DOJ is a bunch of old fuddy duddys that don't actually understand what they're talking about.

@mboiko

2 ай бұрын

"The DOJ is a bunch of old fuddy duddys..." It would be strange...if an Apple Developer didn't say that.

Additionally, less payments for App developers getting paid yearly salary making apps for living. Wow.

This is nothing like internet explorer and the Netscape scandal. It’s perfect;y simple to switch to another smartphone if someone can be bothered. But most can’t.

The myth of the vertical integration that "just works" is that the user experience is extremely restricted compared to other OSs. It is just not working most of the time because - not knowing - it's hindering the user to do certain task easy. Instead the user has to do it "the Apple way" with detour or the feature is just not available at all, which on other systems is e.g. the industry standard for decades.

@vernearase3044

2 ай бұрын

Why don't you give some specific examples.

@Benedict-01

2 ай бұрын

​@@vernearase3044 To name just a few shortcomings from the past, of which some still don't work with iOS yet: - different volume for notification and ringtone - had no filesystem, no Email attachment sharing in other apps etc. - no multiuser - no upper number row on the keyboard - no punctuation on the keyboard - had no multitasking - no swipe from right - had no notification center - no grouped notifications - no display fingerprint reader - no notification light (LED) - low refresh rate - had no widgets - locked icons - no split screen - no charge estimate - no fastcharge - had no cloud sync - no SD Card slot - had no external HDD support - no system app updates via app store - had no style guidelines - had no USB - no customization of colors, fonts, icons, shapes, style, backgrounds - no standard app picker - restricted autocorrect - no close all apps - slowed scrolling - no browser engines - no app processing tasks in the background - no call spam filter - no app locking - had no multi alarms - had no control center - no sideloading - no predicted answers - no RCS - locked NFC - no clipboard history - no physical flashlight, camera gesture - cell data limit - no silent mode without DND - no homescreen grid-size settings - had no homescreen drawers - no custom launchers - small battery - had no action button - bottom bar max. 4 apps - no radio - no video recording pause button - handwriting input keyboard - automatic translator when typing - overlay apps - Reverse wireless charging - planed/delayed message send - individual notification settings by app - long press for symbols on keyboard - no work profiles - had/has no dual-SIM (physical) - big notch - no Fortnite - ... enough? For more just check out the competitor's products

Hmm… I don’t know where I stand regarding this ‘monopoly’ argument. Sure, freedom is good. But if you’re not happy with how Apple operates, maybe… I don’t know, don’t buy an iPhone in the first place? It’s like signing a 12 month tenancy agreement and then 2 months in complaining about the fact that you have to pay for the 12 months. Or moving into your new rental having signed the contract telling you you weren’t allowed pets, and then complaining about the fact that you’re not allowed pets a few days after. As long as you buy into Apple’s products willingly, I don’t see why you’d be complaining. If you’re unhappy, go somewhere else.

@warren488

2 ай бұрын

You do realise that it's not apple users that are suing them right?

@dabric

2 ай бұрын

non-apple users are affected as well though. like how iphone android texting isn't great, and how developers have to fit in with apple simply because a large number of people own an iphone.

@makokainvestmentgroup9260

2 ай бұрын

I honestly don’t get the lawsuit cause eventually no one is being forced to buy or even stay with Apple

@lesleyhaan116

2 ай бұрын

@@dabric Android texting isn't great then its up to Google to make a good Messaging platform on Android its not Apples fault that Google failed to make a simple good messaging App

@dabric

2 ай бұрын

@@lesleyhaan116 i'm referring to texting across android and iphones. iphones mixed sms with imessage, it's cumbersome to get around it, and there isn't anything androids can do to try to get in on imessage. i dont think google's ability to make a messaging app applies here, and i would argue it would apply even less on android as you can set a default app for texting there.

You're the best Alex.

Okay, but they are fine with Proctor & Gamble having a monopoly on every household cleaner we use. Probably cause they got stock in it. Made out like a bandit when Lysol was nigh impossible to obtain a few years ago…