It seems most direct questions are being answered generally which equates to a non-answer. Why not answer with short blunt responses?

This just confirmed my decision to reluctantly move back to Adobe.

Thank you, Paul and Rafael, for a helpful presentation. I listened carefully to this interview and as a hobbyist am saddened by what I learned. My impression is that Rafael confuses the needs/desires of ‘photographers’ (professionals), with the needs and desires of ‘photography’ generally (us amateurs and hobbyists). No-one would disagree that all photographers use various specialist tools and products, like Topaz for example, which has made some striking advances using AI in the last couple of years. However, Capture One continues to fall behind competitors such as Lightroom, On1, Luminar etc in its basic capabilities and use of AI. Similarly, the release of pano stitching and HDR, which to many regular users had been lacking in Capture One for some considerable time was, frankly, a disaster. Yet Rafael defends this general approach to early releases as being at a stage useful for photographers. I’d like to know which photographers actually found this flawed release to be useful at the time? Moreover, with the new subscription model promising the earliest release of updates I dread to think what future disasters are looming. It was a bit of a reality check to learn of Capture One’s blinkered deference towards ‘professional’ photographers in its development programme and one I do not understand. Am I wrong here, but I would have thought the number of potential hobbyist photographers ie total customers, far outweighs the number of specialist professional photographers? One can only conclude that Capture One have decided that they cannot compete with the other developers in the market and have judged a niche category best suits their long-term ambitions. As a hobbyist photographer however, I had thought that Capture One was working for my interests, sadly I no longer have confidence that is the case.

Thanks Paul for you good interview and that you also ask some of the uncomfortable questions … i think capture one is escaping in the special market of professional photographers… culling and fast adjusting… and we amateurs will get no new features like focus stacking , ai masking, hdr pano ore something like this … may be lr will catch so the big cake alone … no new features … and ipad will be only for thethering … no layers … no color grading …. adobe is bustering away 😢

Began using Capture One several years ago, upgrading the license each year. C1 being used primarily for Fuji images, while keeping Adobe for Photoshop and LR as the hedge. Found C22 upgrade features not super exciting, so decided to wait and see new features in C23. Didn’t jump back in upon seeing full scope of C23 release. It came down to a cost-benefit decision on C1 based on my needs. C1 is a great program, but LR has improved and narrowed the gap, and the Adobe bonus is Photoshop. The new C1 license scheme provides even less reason to reconsider. A better approach for C1 would be something like the Topaz model where you purchase a license with a full year of upgrades. This provides incentive to stay “in system” as C1 (hopefully) delivers steady, continuous improvements to the software. As stands you will purchase C1 “as is”. A month later if some earth shattering release comes out you are SOL. Do you buy it again? There is the subscription alternative which is strangely pricy and ultimately you own nothing if you exit. Best of luck to C1 in finding a path.

Sounds like C1 are concentrating their effort on tethering/live, not something I use :-(

I have been a Capture One user for years. I would like to see enhanced user functions. Better Pano, HDR, and focus stacking. I am not interested in swapping skies, that is my problem. I do not want to change my photos, just enhance them. I still feel like Capture One is the best product now. With private equity firms getting into financing who know about tomorrow? Might be time to bail?

I guess all I can say is Capture One (since 12, now on 23 sub) hasn't turned out to be the Aperture replacement I had hoped. As much as I dislike subscriptions (and reluctantly switched from the year upgrade cost to C1 sub for 23), I'm thinking the Adobe universe is it. I'm pretty confident Apple ditched Aperture as the "pro" photography tool (rounding out the trilogy of Logic Pro vs. GarageBand, and FCP vs. iMovie) vs iPhoto/Photos believing Adobe had one the race the "pro photographic editor/DAM" race. As one of the earliest major SW companies to force subscriptions on its users, I despised Adobe and searched MacPhun (Skylum), PhaseOne, Affinity, etc. So, that's why I'm here today, my hope Sessions/Catalogs and C1 was the right choice to replace 2014's death of Aperture (...just to say, to this day, NOTHING beats the overall offering that Aperture provided!) Listening to this CEO webinar, I'm disappointed. Not being ONLY a photographer, living ONLY on photographic gigs, the future of this SW solution is limited to me. Come 2024, I'll be gone.

Excellent Paul, thank you. RO doesn't seem interested in getting Hassleblad new customers!

I have just had the chance to listen to this conversation. Quite sobering for the amateurs like me. However it was even more painful to listen to all the questions not answered. From a CEO I would expect to come up with a clear vision for the future of my company. Then I would expect him to outline a roadmap for the next couple of years at least. This would not give away any secrets. If you want to keep your customers and generate new customers to got to feed them with attractive baits.

This has confirmed my view that CO is focussing on professionals, and while it is true that those features become available to everyone, it is a bit of a cop-out as non-professionals also have other needs, and it sounds as though those might take a back-seat. Also, it seems that enhancements to existing features are not a given. Mr Orta clearly stated that features would be enhanced where additional market share could be identified. This rather suggests that although HDR Mk1 and Pano-stitching Mk1 is available (because they were likely to attract new users), any Mk2 enhancements might be a very long way down the list (because better HDR/Pano would not necessarily bring additional new users). Similarly, Paul, noise reduction (and sharpening) enhancements might well be alongside them. My principal objection to Subscription models has been the absence of an ‘off-ramp’ (as Mr Orta referred to it) and the latest licencing changes to address that really well - thank you. But (always a ‘but’) the focus is on professional photographers with me getting the benefits - but as I don’t tether, am not a Apple user, don’t have an iPad, don’t own a studio, don't need to align my indoor wedding photographs with the outdoor ones with the 'evening do' ones, the benefits, which are significant for those that do, are marginal for those that don’t. Coupled with the case that the Mk2 enhancements are not a given - it rather raises the question as to whether the subscription model, to keep up-to-date with these features, is really worthwhile.

Thanks, Paul, great interview definitely did not shy away from asking the hard questions, I'm already a few days into my Adobe trial and this interview has confirmed im making the right choice. Lightroom has come a long way since I last used the software, especially with the AI masks.I guess it makes sense as they can't compete with adobe there focusing their efforts on professional wedding and portrait photographers it seems.

Thanks for bringing up the elephant in the room. I definitely didn't see that one coming... 😄

Hi Paul, do you have any idea when the follow-up (with the answers to some extra questions from the live chat) will be available?

@Paulreiffer

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It's on me - I'll be getting them across this weekend and we'll need them to have some time to respond, although most general "topics" were covered.

If I understand it correctly the new license is the following: I pay an upgrade every year (latest after 2 years). If it's later I'm forced to change to a yearly subscription. Thus in short: There is in fact NO PERPETUAL licence available, because I have to pay in each case every year. Furthermore it seems that new users are all forced to buy monthly or yearly subscription. If I'm wrong, I suggest to adapt the description of the license model.

@Paulreiffer

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I think you've misunderstood. Nobody is forcing an upgrade - just as now. You can buy a perpetual license (for example, 16.1) and stick with it for as long as you wish (just like now). If you choose to update in X period of time, you'll pay a fee (which will now be closer to full price than it has been before), but that's your choice. So there's no force into a subscription - the perpetual option remains. The *difference* is for those who DO subscribe in future, they'll get the option to have a perpetual license at either a discounted rate or free (depending on how long you've subscribed), should you decide to stop paying.

@Clm4655

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@@Paulreiffer The case is clear now. There is no option anymore for perpetual license holders to buy another perpetual license. There is only the option to buy a subscription.

@Paulreiffer

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Of course there is - you can continue to buy perpetual licenses whenever you want. You can buy a subscription, and keep constantly up to date - OR - you can buy a perpetual license and "stick" with that version you bought until you choose to spend money on an updated version in the future. I don't understand which bit you're not "getting"...?🤷‍♂️

@Clm4655

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@@Paulreiffer no, sorry but this isn't the truth There is no possibility in my account to buy a perpetual license!

@Paulreiffer

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What version are you coming *from*? If 23, there's no further version to go to. If prior to 23 - there are no more "upgrades" (from within your account) - you need to buy a new perpetual license from www.captureone.com/en/pricing/capture-one-pro - but may well have been emailed a discount code if you're a current registered user with marketing preferences turned on. Beyond that, with any other questions - please contact Capture One support. But yes, it is the "truth" - perpetual licenses remain. It's worth taking time to read the changes in full.

I found this almost painful to watch. Clear questions were asked but were answered in true politician-style. The question regarding Hasselblad support was exemplary, it could have been a ‘yes/no/maybe/who can say’ answer, but all you got was a lot of chewing the fat. I won’t start the ‘I’m going back to Adobe’ rant, but it sure makes me think about what software I’ll be using in a couple of years.

@tomfranz25

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oh!! yes i agree completely. as you can read on my comment higher! But if i was disappointed from those political answers , i must recognize again that i admire Paul a lot in his way of beeing sincere and courageaous in front of that political Man !! It really was for me a bit like our President Emmanuel Macron was talking !😂😂🤣

Thank you and we’ll done Paul!

As an amateur I really appreciate C1 quality and possibilities that are offered. The fact that they primarily focus on the professional photographer also helps me enormously in my possibilities as an amateur. Not all features, but many. For example, I don't use C1 on an iPad. In short, after having been an LR user for years and C1 for a few years now, I am extremely satisfied and can agree with the choices that C1 has made. I also have no problem choosing 'The best of breed'. That also has its advantages.

@freetibet1000

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I agree! I’m also very pleased to hear that Capture One is sticking to the core of photography editing, not falling into the trap of providing us with a smorgasbord of gimmicks. Having said that I do feel that the HDR and Panorama tools needs more controls to be fully functional.

I hope Capture One has taken the advent of AI in imagery into account in its planning. If AI does indeed affect the photography market, Photoshop will walk away the beneficiary, and Capture One may be left scrambling to retain subscribership. I don't think it's going to be a near-term concern, but these younger generations are fully on-board with creating imagery from AI, and over time that component may be profound. * Ok, just got to the part where he was asked to address that concern. In this case, I'm afraid his big picture perspective of AI as it relates to photography is askew from the likely reality.

Capture One for me was always my Aperture replacement wannabe, with better results, fabulous interface, somehow non modal workflow, but lacking in photo management, although with more flexible options than the competition. After continually addressing some issues and features that I needed, finally version 23 has reached a point where for the most part is satisfying for what I do and the hardware I have. My options moving forward are clearer now: stay with this version as long as possible, used with other more specialised software that do better what I fell CO1 is not as good. Thanks for the journey, best of luck to all working in CO1 development and marketing, I will be watching closely and maybe join again sometime in the future? Best regards, cheers.

Thanks Paul. So - we still don't know what happens if one cancels a subscription! A direct question was skirted. There was a lot of PR-speak from Orta, but very little substance.

@Paulreiffer

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If you cancel a subscription? That was answered - and has been in the existing published documents from Capture One. So, if you stop subscribing, you no longer have access to Capture One unless you buy a perpetual license version - *however*, the new loyalty deal means that after: 1 year subscribing, you get 20% off that license, 2 years = 40% off, 3 years = 60% off, 4 years = 80% off, 5 years+ = free perpetual license when you leave the subscription offer. But that didn’t need Rafael to confirm - it’s already down in writing :-)

Paul, Thanks to you and Rafael for this conversation and Q/A. I'm an amateur Fuji photographer who began a C1 subscription more than three years ago, after years in LR. I've found the C1 workspace and tools, customization, and fine tuning much more appealing than LR in use. I miss the cloud integration of LR mobile and use SmugMug instead. Rafael's remarks were generally encouraging, and understandably protective of a small company that's recently become a private equity venture. I'm fine with learning at least some of the C1 tools developed for professionals, even absent the integration in the Adobe ecosystem. Bottom line, C1 has enhanced my photographic work product and expanded my editing repertoire.

This Guy is a solid CEO!! congrats

Thanks Paul and Raphael, I found that session really interesting. Of particular interest was Rafael's comment to the effect of C1 being part of a photographer's toolkit, not being THE toolkit. From my perspective, C1 is step two in my image processing pipeline. I use Photo Mechanic Plus to ingest and database. Images for processing are sent to C1 where the magic happens and because I mainly make prints the finished file is sent to Qimage Ultimate for printing. PM+ ingests and databases really well, Qimage Ultimate makes printing really easy and C1 makes getting the image right, easy. Rather than trying to use one program to do it all, I am quite happy using three programs that do what they do, really well. Would I like one program to do everything really well? Of course I would, but it is certainly not a deal breaker for me that it doesn't. Much of the functionality for C1 recently has been Apple centric which, as a Windows user, is completely useless to me, but being a bit of a geek, I subscribe just in case there is a feature or improvement that may be useful to me.

Very empresive CEO