I am all for fair criticism but if you are going to criticise, perhaps you ought to get everything right, given that you call this an InDepth review. While I agree with some of your claims, some are just plain wrong. You state categorically that one cannot add to a C1 mask. Well, yes you can, and subtract too. You also rubbished the Magic Brush, but watching you use it, I could see no use of setting its parameters, which make a huge difference to its effectiveness. I am glad that Lightroom has improved, for it surely needed to, particularly for owners of Fuji X-Trans cameras. I was a long time LR user but moved to C1 after I processed an image with deep shadows. In bringing up those shadows, LR showed far more noise but more importantly, lost the yellow in a cable that was in the pic. Capture One had far less noise and the yellow cable was, well, yellow. LR could also not render detail well, particularly in green areas, turning them worm-like. No issue with C1 in this regard. At that time, C1 was considerably faster than LR to do basically everything. While I am a happy C1 user, I would not describe myself as a 'fanboy' but felt that I should mention at least a couple of faults with your review so that, in the interests of accuracy, you could take the opportunitly to re-visit C1 and check your claims so as to not misinform your viewers.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Noel - appreciate the feedback. The examples I showed in the video regarding the magic brush were just a quick example to accompany my voiceover - I did test the parameter settings and did so on several images and could never get it working correctly. I also researched this tool online to see if I was missing something and most of what I turned up were complaints from C1 users about the brush so I figured I was on the right track. With regards add/subtract - must have got that wrong but when I couldn't figure it out I searched the support forums and found that it wasn't a feature - certainly not in the sense that LR's add/subtract works. When did you move from LR to C1? In my online searches it seems to me that the most vocal critics of LR and exponents of C1 did so as much as a decade ago. As such they don't really have any solid information to base their views on. Even in the last 18 months LR has improved dramatically. The Fuji thing is certainly far better than it used to be thanks to Fujifilm working with Adobe to resolve many of the issues. But that being said I prefer to demoasiac my RAW files using DxO software which is better than both C1 and LR in my opinion. As to the speed - I have a relatively recent iMac with 40Gb of RAM and a proper graphics card in it. I've never had any speed issues with other RAW editors and was surprised how slow C1 was for basic preview rendering. I'll certainly be keeping an eye on C1 in the future and intend to review any substantial point releases as and when they arrive. Thanks again for the feedback. :)

@noelbutcher906

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson I started with the free Fuji version in 2019, then bought the 'Full' Fuji version and then swapped to the complete version. With masks, you can use either the normal brush or the magic brush to add to a mask. To delete from a mask use either the normal or the magic brush erasers. You can adjust the opacity of all these tools to suit the job at hand. As to preview rendering, C1 is a bit fussy with the way it works, liking to have the recommended size match the screen resolution width. Another issue may be Hardware Accelleration being turned on. As I said earlier, I like C1 but am not a 'fanboy'. I often advise members of my camera club to go with LR for a number of reasons. As to DxO, I have read good things about it and plan to try it out soon (although if I am honest, I don't want to learn a new piece of software having become quite conversant with C1 over the last three years).

@petero1

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson This probably needs more time with the software, but layers in C1 are very, very powerful. You basically get ALL editing tools available in C1on every layer, which was not the case in LR's local adjustments when I switched around 5 years ago. You can Refine and Feather a mask, very fast and useful refining tools. I fully agree with Noel that at that time highlight and shadow recovery were vastly superior in C1. Perhaps it is different now. One thing I find very frustrating in C1 is the catalogue, or its performance. I only have around 60K images in there, and even today C1 is all but unusable when you want to perform anything based on all images. Yes, you can split your library, use sessions etc, but then you loose the ability to search your entire library which is kind of a point, isn't it? Yes I do miss speed and power of Lightroom's Library.

Well unlike some of other peoples reviews, there's no doubting where you stand on this, in simple language that UK Northerners like me, can readily understand. Refreshing and honest . Thank you and please keep them coming, Andy they brighten my day in a world of client facing technology.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul - I have a background in technology journalism going back to the 8-bit and 16-bit era so it's natural to me to simply present the facts without spin. :)

Actually I find CapturOne's image management superior to Lightroom for the following reason: they have something called Sessions, which basically just allows you to manage photos in folder. No endless waiting for image to import into a catalogue, and the more waiting when you cull 90% of them.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

It's a fair argument - the simple folder best setup appeals to lots of photographers :)

@blekfut5763

4 ай бұрын

And that is the most important Capture One feature for me. That's why I gave up Lightroom. I do not collect all the RAWs from my mountain trips, I just export 95% of them to JPGs and delete, leaving maybe 1-3 for each trip. Lightroom forces user to keep RAWs or to import JPGs again to manage them, total mess...

Great channel, which I have just discovered. Love the direct language. Subscribed

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jens - appreciate the support :)

When I moved from LR to C1 about 2 years ago, I finally got all the professional colour grading options in a raw editor that I was used to from grading movies with DaVinci Resolve. I don't know how LR evolved since, as I hate the subscription model and hence stopped using it, but back then LR colour editing options were a joke. Layers In C1 are a big benefit, as I can group editing steps in them, and toggle these on and of at any time. Also, I like the way raw files and C1 editing data can be organised in human readable session folders - raw files stay untouched, and are visible within the folder structure - this way I can access these files years later with any other software, and move session folders between devices or directories - in short: I still OWN my data and can organize it the way I want.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Colour grading has improved markedly in Lightroom over the last couple of years with full HSL, colour and (more recently) advanced colour grading wheels for high, mid and shadow, but a lot of it actually comes down to whether you prefer C1's or LR's demosaicing. If C1's RAW decoding works better for you, then that's the end of the story and all the reason you need to justify buying it - personally I prefer LR's. The whole subscription model is a weird complaint of course since you're effectively on a subscription even if you buy C1 outright - since you only get bug-fixes not point releases - and it costs substantially more to do so. You can pay $12AUD per month for LR and PS (and LR mobile and Adobe Express) which is a fraction of the cost of C1. LR has layers too - they're just called masks - they can be named, sorted, organised and tweaked as required. C1's layers don't affect the image until you apply a mask to them so it's effectively the same functionality - only in LR we get superb AI masking which is a huge time-saver - along with luminance, colour and depth masks along with the traditional brush, radial and linear options. Even more usefully you have extremely powerful add/subtract options for masks which, for instance, enables you to create an AI mask of the sky and the subtract a luminance range. Also those masks are adaptive, so I can copy the develop settings from one image to the next and it will update the sky mask for me with no further intervention required. The only drawback to LR's masks functionality vs C1's layers is that at the moment you can't use the colour grading wheels in masks - but they're slowly adding everything (curves just went in) and I don't think it'll be long before we can. File and folder organisation is another personal choice - personally I ingest prior to LR import using a Mac app called Hazel that creates a folder hierarchy automatically for me and puts RAWs, JPEGs and video files in separate folders. Thanks for commenting Tom, I'll continue to test C1 releases as they roll out.

@tom_k_d

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson Thanks for the detailed reply - I actually use the advanced colour modification option a lot in layers with C1, so currently I'd still miss this feature in LR - other than that LR seems to have evolved a lot. To win me back, Adobe would need to introduce a perpetual license option again, in which case I'd happily hold C1 and LR in parallel. I tend to buy a new system and set it up initially to my taste (buying also the software I need to upgrade), and don't change it much afterwards, once it's running - trouble starts when a subscription based software constantly asks for the latest MacOS version - never change a running system, except for security updates of course...

@rolithesecond

11 ай бұрын

Yes, color grading is a travesty in Lightroom, especially being used to something like Resolve. Because of the new and amazing masks and built in AI denoise that works really well in LR I am kind of looking into a workflow where I can use both in conjunction but I am not sure how to best do this. Exporting from one to the other with TIFF files sounds like terabytes of wasted space but that's probably the way one would have to take?

@tom_k_d

11 ай бұрын

@@rolithesecond As tempting as it looks, I'm still not sure I absolutely need this AI automasking - while I need professional colour grading options for sure. I'd guess it's just a matter of months till better automasking will be implemented in C1, too, though.

@rolithesecond

11 ай бұрын

@@tom_k_d I|d say adding AI masking sounds like a lot more time and money needing to be invested in C1 than Adobe having to implement some better color grading options. But I am confident neither are going to happen within the next few years.

I am agnostic about all of this, but this is about as harsh a review as I have seen of Capture One. The fact that it was slower for you than Lightroom is a big surprise. Benchmark testing I have seen of the two raw editors has consistently shown Capture One to be not only faster, but much faster in most respects, so it does make me wonder whether there is something in the configuration of your Mac or in the latest version of Capture One which is making it slower. Anyway, always good to get an alternative view. I found your review of DXO Photolab very helpful.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it is harsh, but I've never been less impressed by an app. I have a relatively up to date iMac with lots of RAM and Capture One is the worst performing app I've ever used in terms of render previews etc. That lag on the sliders effectively makes it unusable. But if you find it works for you and your workflow system, then that's all that matters :)

@TasteofTaboo

Жыл бұрын

this comes from the fact das c1 runs mainly on the GPU and the cpu doesn't matter much. Macs unfortunatly still have slow GPUs , even the M1Ultra is not blazing fast. Take the a rather slow ryzen 3600 and a RTX4080 and it mops the floor with the mac.

Capture 1's file management is to me a lot more efficient. You have a session for each project, that's it. There is no sippling over or camera roll. Everything is nicely organized.

Only reason for me using LRc, is it's photo management. I haven't seen any other being close to this great setup. import to a database, sorting, tagging, the overview you get, and control of what you've got. I really would like to only pay for LRc, nothing else, but that is history nowadays. You don't have that choice anymore. So what is actually the closest to on all fronts?

@Andyhutchinson

18 күн бұрын

Yea I'm in the same boat. I have 250,000 shots that extensively use LR's metadata and map tools and I couldn't run my business without them. The only way to get close the functionality outside of Adobe is to use two apps - an asset manager and an editor. Mylio, Peakto and even Bridge (since it's free and outside the CC subscription) are great asset managers and for editor, there are some solid alternatives.

Hi there, I'm also not into renting software, and prefer an outright purchase. I'm still using my Lightroom 6.14, the last stand-alone version (which doesn't have the Dehaze option).. I can see that the software has come a long way since.. My question is.. will the current Capture One 23 (or similar) be a big leap in terms of features and capability to what I am currently using? I really don't want to go the rental option, which would have cost me roughly US 710 to date. So quite happy to pick up Capture one for $149 (on sale at B&H now).. BUT.. it's a complete rethinging of interface.. Any thoughts? Thank you

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Not sure Mario. I would however suggest that you give the 30 day trials of apps like DxO Photolab and On1 PhotoRAW a go before committing to Capture One - I think you'll be surprised. :)

I first used C1 about 4 years ago and liked it. I found things that I preferred over Lightroom. Currently, I agree with your assessment. While Lightroom has had significant, meaningful improvements, C1 hasn’t really added anything of substance for my purposes, and I think you are correct that they are targeting a certain market with features like fast culling (of no interest to me since I’m not a wedding or event photographer). But I’m glad you mentioned the maddening abysmal, lagging slider performance - something that seems to have gotten progressively worse in the last couple of releases (and I’m using M1 and M2 Macs). For me that was the final nail in the coffin.

@Andyhutchinson

10 ай бұрын

It's one of those weird things - the slow sliders - I don't understand why it's not mentioned in other reviews. It's not like I have some underpowered Mac.

I use the free capture one for Fuji raw files. I do this because I only have Lightroom 5.7 and I refuse to go into the cloud and make payments for something I don't need. I generally edit the RAWS minimally in capture one, export as. 16 bit tiffs and finish off in Lightroom or an old version of of Photoshop. Works for me, I know I'm a cheapskate 😊

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with being a cheapskate and everything to do with finding a workflow that works for you - there's no one solution that works for everyone :)

I really enjoy your honest and colorful videos. Well done!

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike - I'm not big on sitting on the fence :)

Man!... you reeeally do hate C1...😂

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Haha - not a fan - don't hate it, just think it's being marketed to the wrong crowd :)

@3Kiwiana

5 ай бұрын

Must be a reason, no smoke without fire, I am having trouble making up my mind, I do realestate stuff. Am considering luminar neo.. ?

I've come to the point after using C1 for about 3 years that I can't think of a reason for C1 being worth 4x the price of LR...in ANY situation.

@whiterock1865

9 ай бұрын

i’m inclined to agree that c1 is just ok. honestly I like to try auto settings to see if get me close faster than doing it manually but honestly it is total crap, particularly with auto exposure. but c1 is SLOW to import and export, and has little integration with online services. great for tethering. anyway i just picked up lightroom so about to give it a try as i think adobe is way ahead in AI features to process photos quickly. i’m always looking for ways to speed up processing as i shoot events etc.

Interesting contrarian review. I look forward to trialing both.

@Andyhutchinson

3 ай бұрын

Thank-you - good luck with your testing :)

I tried LR after 10 years with C1 and it was a step backwards in all areas so I don't know what you are thinking.

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

Step backwards? Some mistake surely? Can you point me in the direction of the advanced AI based masking tools in C1? The incredibly flexible fully database driven catalog system? The class-leading AI RAW denoising tool? The mind-bogglingly useful adaptive presets? The map? The profile management? No, didn't think so. But by all means carry on paying three times as much for an application that hasn't changed substantially in a decade.

Did you try to install Adobe products on a case-sensitive file system ?

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

It's a review of Capture One, why would I install an Adobe product?

@sonomoha3832

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson The review sounds mostly like a comparison with Adobe products which in turn have a lot of longstanding problems. Adobe has had just as much time to fix their many issues but never were interested in doing so. Some of their software even died off along their security issues. Adobe s--k money big time and they are a very poor choice for comparison/benchmark to anything.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

@@sonomoha3832 What long-standing problems? The vast majority of issues with Lightroom were fixed many years ago, but the problem is that the folks criticising it jumped ship to Capture One more than a decade ago and are basing their opinions on how the software was then. So I ask you - what problems? And as for money - lol - you pay considerably more - vastly more - for Capture One than the $12 per month Photography bundle from Adobe. There is absolutely nothing to recommend Capture One. Adobe even rolled out an AI denoise tool in LR that is superior to most stand-alone denoise apps such as Topaz. I keep a close eye on the Capture One support forums and all I read are longterm users whinging about the state of the application. Sorry mate - but you're backing the wrong horse.

Nice review. I switched to C1 many years ago, after LR went subscription based, but have struggled with its slowness, poor image management abilities, and lack of updates without paying for a new version. I've tried some of the other programs out there, like XDO Photolab but none of them work to my liking; the image manage is always lacking compared to LR. I have C121 and since my new camera, a Sony A7RV, isn't supported by C121 my only option is to buy CO23 outright (no discount offered). I've decided to bit the bullet and start Lightroom again. Your review makes this move easier.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I think Adobe are seeing a lot of return-traffic from C1 recently :)

@rockyravine1155

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson but after this video I watched your video on ACDSee Photo Studio 9. I think it does most, if not all, of what I need in a program.

Is there a Lightroom software version that I don't have to pay subscription

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not - all Adobe software is subscription now although Adobe Bridge is completely free. :)

@christianmbabazi9722

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson yeah I'm trying to find a photo editoring software that I don't have to pay a subscription for

@neostephens8980

Жыл бұрын

@@christianmbabazi9722 You should try ON1 - it has several nice features. I purchased a copy just to have something else to use when not using C1 and LR. Love the easy sky replacement plugin (and stand alone option).

love your honesty!

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

I can’t make my mind up, I need to edit real estate stuff, Lr & Ps or luminar neo…??

@Andyhutchinson

5 ай бұрын

If you're comfortable with an Adobe subscription then I'd opt for Lightroom on the Photography bundle.

@3Kiwiana

5 ай бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson thanks I appreciate the advice

HaaHa! brilliant, fam. I'm not crazy about the LR catalog. I use Bridge, ACR, and PS for the heavy lifting. $10 a month?!, not only yes, but hell yes! I also have PL6, and X7. Thanks, subbed.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Cheers. I totally agree. Lot of rubbish talked about the cost of the Adobe photo apps. :)

Great points you forgot that c1 can be installed on 3 computer while LR on one computer.

@Andyhutchinson

10 ай бұрын

Yep. Partly true. Creative Cloud license lets you install apps on more than one computer and activate (sign in) on two. However, you can use your apps on only one computer at a time. I have my whole suite installed on my MacBook Pro and Windows PC.

To give balance, your experiences have not reflected my own. It was been quite the opposite. This leads me to believe there is hardware matters to consider. For perspective I photography for food magazines and as such I have a PC I built for my specific needs that is by most photographers considered quite overkill. I found it was photo shop that consistently crashed when doing simple things like resizing large files or sharpening and it was lightroom that was prone to lagging when making adjustments and consistently introducing artefacts into the RAW image. This is just my user experience and will most likely not be reflective of others usage. The irony I found was that capture one is very much beginning to optimise themselves for apple products, or fwhich I am not a user. I cannot say its their movement towards M1 hardware that is causing issues, but I can say on a rigged out editing windows PC I haven't experienced these issues. The magic brush works just fine for me with fine dining food etc. If anything, captureone batch group and smart adjustments etc are as useless to me as lightrooms auto mask. They are designed for faces and as such food is a swing and a miss in how well they work are identifying the subject.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, cheers David. I have a gaming PC which is pretty highly spec'd out and I might try installing the trial on that and see how it runs. But of course it wasn't just the speed that I had problems with - more the fairly dated tool-set that feels much more like Photoshop 5.5.

@lefthandright01

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson it will be a challenge for software designers in the future. Some applications can make use of hardware acceleration, multicore processors etc and some software is still running its original architecture from a decade ago. I agree that captureone is more optimised for studio based work where you're aiming to get it in the can so-to-speak. If changing hue values to a specific hex code is your thing, or having to remove objects etc is part of your regular workflow, then I can't really recommend captureone for that end use..I admit most photographers don't need a multiore overclocked processor, 64+ gigs of ram, optimised drives and video card specs like I have. Those hardware features are entirely for my video workflows, however captureone gets benefit from them by proxy. With all that muscle it doesn't stutter, lag, crash, freeze etc. To give balance, I haven't used photoshop or lightroom in quiet some time. My original issues with it maybe resolved, but any adobe video software is still very prone to crashing whereas Davinci has no issue. If anything, I do feel photoshop needs a user interface redesign. Its beginning to show its age in many ways.

Tethering is better on C1, and it handles Fuji cameras and files better, and the colour management is more in-depth (though not necessarily better), and it's more customisable. I think Lightroom is slow for some people because of the awesome history tool, which records every single change and does require a powerful computer for complex edits. But Lightroom is cheaper, has a better catalogue system, and much better masking tools, and the UI is simpler and more intuitive. I now use the DXO Pure Raw 3 plugin to process my final images, and that fixes the Fuji issue.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Yea same here. I ingest via LR and make my selects. Then do a conversion in Pure RAW or full develop in Photolab. Then finish and export in LR. :)

C1 has some shortcomings, namely its DAM but on balance it is superior to LR. I’ve used both and I would not go back to LR.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

It's important to find what works for you. Everyone's workflow is different and we all have different expectations for the way we want our shots to look. :)

I use both professionally and disagree:) but I appreciate the effort of the video.

@Andyhutchinson

10 ай бұрын

Fair enough. Funnily enough I downloaded the recent point release and tested it again on my new M2 Max MacBook and nothing I said in this video is factually incorrect. I understand it's a reliable bit of kit for studio photographers, but I strongly object to it being pushed as some Lightroom replacement because for landscape photography, for instance, it's a terrible fit.

I use both.

Capture One does have some weird quirks for sure. But it does a decent job with Fuji files, and that's something Adobe just couldn't give a shit about. BUT, I recently discovered DXO's Photolab 6 and I'm done with C1, thank the Divines. 🙂

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Adobe have addressed the Fuji issue but I still prefer Photolab's demosaicing. :)

@rjbiii

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson Referring to enhance (raw) details, right?

Well damn That was brutal

Some things I prefer about CaptureOne : Layers - how you can use them to organise your edits, what adjustments you can add to them. Unified workspace - no silly Library module Silence from my laptop, as the fans don't churn away constantly Speed - exports happen in an instant, not as a long batch job Import rename numbering correctly. It beggars belief but Lr assigns (semi-)random numbers to your filenames when you import as yyyymmdd-nnnn Scripting. Even I can make a script to do useful stuff like generate a user album hierarchy Styles/presets that you can layer and turn off (see 1. above) Not crashing when you use denoise. In fairness, this is only in the AI denoise which CaptureOne doesn't actually have. The Colour tools. Obviously. Customisable workspace and shortcuts Automatically going to the next image after you rate something

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough. Some thoughts: 1. Masks in LR are effectively layers. You can use them in exactly the same way as layers and you have the advantage of LR's incredible AI masking tools. Even better you can save those masks as adaptive presets to be applied intelligently whenever you want. 2. The library module is only silly if that's the workflow you like. For instance, I absolutely hate having everything in one place with no obvious demarkation between management and editing. 3. I've got LR, Photoshop, multiple browsers, email and Discord going and no fan noise. Maybe you just need a better laptop? 4. Exports were definitely no faster for me with C1. 5. I always ingest first so that I can get the folder structure I want and then use the Add but don't copy, so not an issue I've ever faced. Also the LR import with ingest is extremely slow, but it may have improved since I last used it several years ago. 6. Sure, but plugins are a far more elegant option and don't require any programming knowledge of the users. 7. Never had a crash with DeNoise. In fact I can't recall LR crashing under any circumstances. Maybe a Windows thing? 8. Ah, the colour tools. What about them? The fact that they're so slow I can make a coffee waiting for the interface to update? The fact that they're C1's most over-rated feature? Photolab does a better job than C1 and LR. 9. The workspace is definitely most customisable. How many people take advantage of that? Also I can shortcut literally anything, so no sure what you're saying there. 10. LR's had auto-advance since 2015.

Capture one needs to step there game up

I like C1 in many ways, but the prices have gotten insane. I will never recommend it again. I particularly like the ease of importing and naming files, but it's the only thing about C1 that would sadden me if I move on from it. Everything else is easily enough done in other raw editors. Now, I use my C1 for importing, and usually nothing else.

We should all learn quickly to think thrice on all photography related purchases for the reasons you mention. Each to their own user case, no one software or product generally is the best across the board. So much caught up in the biased world of affiliate and monetisation, who can blame them!! As always, buyer beware.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely - everyone's requirements are different :)

Lightroom is very good with most stuff but shit with xtrans files even with Ai enhance,though it improves them a little.I’ll stick with C1 ,thanks for an entertaining vid.

@Andyhutchinson

Ай бұрын

I shoot with an X-T4 and haven't had any dramas with RAWs for at least the last two years. But if C1 works for you, then that's the main thing. :)

@chrisbusby4395

Ай бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson hi Andy .it's only on green foliage and when zoomed in at say 200% ,even apple photos is a lot better,to be fair unless zoomed in I don't see it but it's the knowing that bugs me.Otherwise id be happy using lr,btw I use the free for Fuji raw converter by C1 so still use LR for my Nikon 😁

I have both programs and I must admit smart adjustments in capture one are good “sometimes” and the ability to have all tools on masks is great however the masking capabilities of Lightroom alone now just make capture one not viable. Why spend hours editing a photo and then having to make the same masks on the next image when you can mask and copy those masks across a series of images. I have capture one for the year but I’m rarely using it now strictly for tethering on the go to my mobile. But if there is another way of accomplishing this I won’t be renewing my capture one license this year

@Andyhutchinson

10 ай бұрын

The ability to copy masks from one image to another (adaptively) is one of the single most powerful tools in LR, I reckon :)

New to your channel and I note that like me you're a Fuji user.........the one single reason I use Cap One is that to my eyes it renders Fuji raw files better than LR. Did you ever find that? But, I don't disagree with much in this video. It've overpriced, very laggy and generally for me, not that user friendly. I've found myself starting to use LR more and more again. All that said, I've always found that the Fuji raw files are so damn good that I can get away with minimal editing. Subscribed.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

I used to get better results in other RAW editors than LR, but most of the issues with X-Trans files have been fixed by Adobe. That said, I get superior results to all other RAW editors in DxO Photolab 6 or DxO PureRAW. They've gone above and beyond with the demosaicing Fuji RAWs in those apps and I consistently get about half a stop of extra dynamic range in images I process that way. That being said, I still tend to process first in LR and then re-process the keepoers in something like the DxO labs apps. :)

@paullittle8343

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson I've never tried DxO but maybe I should

Lightroom is far better in many aspects, BUT it is almost unable to handle highlights :( This is the only thing I can not live with... Many many many good features, but its ridiculous how bad it is in highlight recovery compared to C1. It is no problem in a controlled environment, but what if you have to shoot in a high contrast area? So sad, they are unable to fix it...

@Andyhutchinson

11 ай бұрын

Never had a problem with highlights in LR. That said, I am able to pull back slightly more in the highlights using DxO Photolab on the same RAW.

@Andyhutchinson

11 ай бұрын

@@BPetiBP Just been testing this with a range of RAWs and I'm not seeing it at all. C1's very slightly more aggressive, but there isn't much in it.

I’ve been trying to figure this out for some time, and I think you nailed…..Capture One is just that, a great studio photo “capturing” tool, LR is a robust editing software. Two different purposes at their core. I think this is the distinction. Even though CO has editing tools, it’s light years behind the current market and isn’t even worth mentioning, IMHO.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom. Yes, I believe that's the case. It's a singular app for a singular audience :)

@ozarksdigitalcreations9254

10 ай бұрын

This is so far off. C1 light years behind and not worth mentioning? Even without LR's AI masking, C1 is still hands down the best software for color grading.

thank you i dropped the app too expensive for nothing

@Andyhutchinson

6 ай бұрын

No problem!

WOW such BS, what do you work for LR? Ive had both many years and your drop the ball huge.

@Andyhutchinson

11 ай бұрын

Nothing but facts in my video. C1's the most over-rated RAW editor on the market. It's slow as shit, has a prehistoric tool-set and costs far more than the Adobe Photography suite. I'd sooner use a free open source app like Darktable than C1.

yeah the latest versions of c1 seem to get slower with every release…like wtf slow. and i have maxed out apple silicon. Adobe is still a lot cheaper which I finally bought into. The only reason I started c1 is due to a colleague having it that I shot a lot for…not tethered to c1 anymore. The best tool for me wins.

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for confirming this for me. I was really surprised at just how sluggish the latest versions of C1 are.

LR -> tacky landscape stuff C1 -> anything with people in Rendering skin tones, tools for skin colors, color editor - there is no competition to c1. A lot of confusion comes from how the design of C1 is build around the workflow of professional advertising and fashion photographers. It is totally different how landscape photographers work. It is build for tethering on set, having your clients on set, able to sign photos of a motiv directly on set (handing out a ipad to them with capture pilot). Having a composit preview where you can place logos text, layout. Working with digitech on set... working with retouchers. This also means you working with a team and really never ever with catalogs - you work with sessions. Otherwise it is impossible to hand out a shoot to another people to edit the pictures as raw. For exchange there is also EIP -sharing raws with settings. Also the price is really no matter - these productions, even low budget ones are easy a couple of thousand dollars a day.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff - thanks. That's pretty much what I said - that it's a tool for studio photographers - and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that the marketing and the poorly disguised advertorial blog posts on sites like fStoppers are pitching it increasingly at the hobbyist or semi-pro and not necessarily a studio photographer. So landscape photographers - the kind of people that have to cope out in the real world, in the elements, without the luxury of a tightly controlled indoor space with artificial lighting, backdrops, assistants, air-con and coffee on tap - should use an app better suited to real-world non-artificial photography like pretty much anything other than C1. :)

@Ed-lz4jv

11 ай бұрын

And excellent for Landscape

Absolutely love listening to your rants, complete with the stunning visuals like "whipping your balls with barbed wire" :)

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

lol - cheers Alex :)

Luminar Neo is a poor raw photo editor. Comparison, side by side, Neo is a distant third to On1 Photo Raw and Capture One. Capture One masking is still in the 90s.

@Andyhutchinson

10 ай бұрын

Yea, I'd say Pixelmator Pro actually overtook Luminar for the RAW editing. DxO has the best RAW demosaicing engine in my opinion.

Enjoyed your video so much. And I totally agree with every word you said. I too fell into the trap of switching from LR to C1 2 years ago - for two primary reasons- 1) LR is so slow and buggy it completely hangs up all my Macs and 2) ability to work with layers in C1. I downloaded the trial version of C1 21 and also got into the beta testing of C1 22. And boy oh boy was I in for a surprise. (I am a wedding and travel photographer - so my comments may not apply to everyone) -1) C1 is INCREDIBLY slower than LR. In an age where I want supersonic speed, if LR is a horsecart then C1 is a snail. I could move a slider, go take a loo break and return, and the image would still not reflect the updated slider changes - this applies to any slider in C1, not just the dehaze. (exaggeration intended). 2) The thrill of working with layers to make edits - how I fell flat on my face when I started editing using layers. Oh trust me, there is NOTHING more irritating than to work on layers when I have to work on 100s and 1000s of wedding images or travel images. Layers was the biggest anti-climax for me. (I generally edit 1 out of 200 images in PS). I now run away from any RAW editing tool that has layers in it. Lr brushes is so powerfully convenient. And with LR now having AI based selection, and adding new features almost regularly as part of its subscription - there is absolutely no comparison btn them. If Lr is Tesla, then C1 is a rickety bicycle. I don't do tethered shoots, rarely combine images in panorama, so these features of C1 don't apply to me. Though there are LOTS of small/ minor features of C1 that are very convenient and I wish Lr would adopt them. I only wish Adobe would make Lr more visually attractive and colourful to look at. Once in a while I do open up the C1 website and look at how visually stunning it is :)

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thank-you Bhaven. This is the central issue I think. The guys that support C1 the most switched from LR many years ago and they simply have no idea how far it's come and how little C1 has improved. And yes - they could definitely work on their interface! :)

Brilliant no nonsense review. Love the humour, along the same lines as Tim Hayward FT food writer. When I read that people hate LR I often wonder why, its my tool choice.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim. There's way too much 'group-think' on KZread :)

C1 processes my .CR3 files waaaaay better than LR CC.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Interesting - thanks Robert. Is that still the case with more recent versions of LR - because it used to suck with Fuji RAWs but now it's great.

@MrUffizzi

9 ай бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson .CR3 file is Canon.

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

@@MrUffizzi yes they are. I was simply questioning whether LR's abilities to process had improved since he last tried it because it used to suck with Fuji RAWs too and now it does not.

it killed lightroom for me 😊

@Andyhutchinson

2 ай бұрын

lol - when did you switch?

@martinphilipps8678

2 ай бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson in 2020, its WAY faster than lightroom, and i get my results much easier with less tweaking needed. no way back for me. just the image catalog is better on lightroom and the deghosting. but i hardly do HDR's, so no problem for me

@Andyhutchinson

2 ай бұрын

So weird. I have a top of the line M2 Macbook Pro and C1's sliders felt like dragging them through treacle.

In depth review my ass .... There are many tools in C1 that I use daily that are non existent in Lightroom... And is Lightroom really cheaper? When was the last time you could buy a perpetual license for Lightroom ? What I find stupid about your video, though is the fact that it took me hundreds of hours to learn all the not so obvious features and tools C1 has to offer - and you just download the trial and you think you can form an opinion on it by the time the trial period expires ? :) ... BTW, I have both, C1 and Lightroom...and DXO Pure Raw ... these are just tools. Stating that one is better than the other is like saying that a 35mm lens is generally better than a 24-70 zoom... better for what?

@Andyhutchinson

Ай бұрын

Yes, Lightroom is cheaper - it's $12 per month. If you buy a so-called 'perpetual licence' for Capture One it's only good for updates for that point release. If you're happy with your software getting increasingly out-of-date and potentially failing completely due to operating system updates, then fill your boots mate, get the 'perpetrual' licence. It's a rort designed to assuage the anti-subscription crowd. This was not the first time I've used Capture One. In fact over a decade ago, like a lot of people, I bought it. I used it for about 18 months, then got buyer's remorse and slowly moved back full-time to Lightroom. Since then I've downloaded a trial version of each big release to see if it's worth the money, put it through its paces and see if it's a good fit for me and every year I decide it isn't. Bottom line is that Capture One is good photo editor if you shoot portraits and a great choice for photographers working tethered in a studio environment, but other than that there's no advantage - particularly for landscape photographers. But yes, I agree - saying one is better than the other is kind of stupid because as you point out, everyone's needs are different. Which is why my entire review is a response to all those 'Capture One is a Lightroom Killer' articles which, in fact, I directly reference at the start of the video. Also - a 35mm lens is generally better than a 24-70mm for street photography - it's generally lighter and since it's a prime lens you don't have to worry about zooming and can therefore react faster to capture that decisive moment.

Glad others are saying it bro. C1 has fallen behind and has virtually no advantages to LR. It just has fanboys defending it, mostly Fuji users that insist it processes images better (it doesn't). IN the end just use the software you like. Hope C1 picks up the ball because we do need competition.

@Andyhutchinson

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I just don't get the hype around it. :)

Mehn! You're missing a lot.

If you had something good to say about it we'd be able to take you more seriously. Your rant videos don't show you in your best light.

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Jessica. I'm nice about good products, but don't see the point of beating about the bush when a product is sub-standard. One of the big problems with KZread is that content creators go easy on products or companies for fear of losing endorsements or free products. This means you end up with these bland videos that serve only to list the features of a product, but don't ever actually tell you if they're any good. You end up learning nothing you couldn't get from the product's promotional website. I laid out my case pretty clearly here - the speed issues, the aged tool-set, the fact that it's being marketed to a general photography market when actually it better suits studio photographers, the overly-aggressive demosaicing, the average dynamic range, the awful masking tools and, of course, the fact that it's easily more than twice the price of its competitors. There's a snobbish attitude towards Adobe Lightroom that I've noticed here on KZread and on the big photo blog sites and forums and the inference is that 'real' photographers should use C1, when in fact it's a product focused quite specifically on pro photographers shooting tethered in a studio. Appreciate the feedback though and accept that sometimes I enjoy sticking the boot in a bit too much. :)

So now we are complaining that C1 process Files to provide better detail is actually a con, because "nobody wants this much detail". Seriously, lol. What a joke video.

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

I'm sorry I've been critical of some software you seem heavily invested in, but what I said was that (and I quote) "nobody wants sharp edges on a cloud". Maybe you're the exception though - maybe clouds with super-sharp edges is where you're at. I'm sorry Capture One's so awful and that you bought into the hype.

Lightroom does not use Open GL like Capture One. This mac user is editing on a laptop with a Ritalin sticker. There's your sign. Pros should use more powerful systems for editing. Its like hiring a plumber at $300 an hour, and he uses harbor fight tools and drives a kia. Find another plumber. Find another photography "expert".

@Andyhutchinson

9 ай бұрын

Are you suggesting there's something wrong with having ADHD? Or that it somehow makes me less able to spot inferior software? I started reviewing software back in the 1990s for UK computer magazines such as PC Format, PC Plus, Mac Format and many others. I also edited computer magazines for many years and then had a successful career as a freelance computer journalist working for well known magazines, national newspapers and on TV. With over 30 years experience I'm well versed in tested software and reviewing it. I've been photographer for nearly 40 years now too and have been using photo processing software since it first came into existence. I'm sorry that the software you use is so singularly shit and that you bought into the reality distortion field around this horrendously over-priced and under-powered application, but yes - by all means - go listen to the "experts" that push thinly disguised marketing videos to naive twats like yourself.