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@ComicGuy2004

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, please do a video on the Avengers and Hulk's relationship with each other. I feel it's a very interesting topic to explore.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComicGuy2004 message received!

@ANW115

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComicGuy2004 yes!

@Ultamatebatman

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComicGuy2004 i agree

@redmax6167

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

Honestly, Hulk laughing and regressing into Banner when Barton seriously tells him that he will put him down was hands down more funnier than any professor hulk/Hulk moment from ragnarok and endgame.

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that scene was hilarious!

@joaop2506

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp This Scene Is Gold!

@maxxor-overworldhero6730

Жыл бұрын

Especially with Banner signaling to Clint to hold on while he got his laughter under control. Just cements how equally hilarious the notion was to both Hulk and Banner.

@itsjayh

Жыл бұрын

Ragnorak goated fym

@dfredankey

Жыл бұрын

@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Lmaoo

I like how emh hulk is characterized. He’s not just a dumb monster or a overly chummy bro that just is hulk at the time. Both hulk and banner are equally interesting characters and seeing them chat in their own mind is so interesting. It makes the character feel more like a character with a real arc of getting a chance to be a better man.

@pradeepdungdung4379

2 жыл бұрын

Hulk saying cosmic radiation threw me off

@ComicGuy2004

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was definetly a highlight for me from the show.

@foamfan7593

2 жыл бұрын

It's probably joe fixit fused in there somewhere too

@shadowsnake5133

2 жыл бұрын

They're like siblings that believe nearly the same thing except when it comes to themselves, one believing he's useless because people shun him, and another that believes if the hulk was the only one to exist out the two, then he'd be the person he wants to be, they literally blame themselves for the others treatment, and the older one takes responsibility for it by sacrificing his time to help clear his brothers name.

@metal87power

2 жыл бұрын

Or TAS series. Hulk is essentially a kid with temper problems. It also makes sense due to Banner's traumatic childhood. Hulk persona was inside Bruce psychi the entire time.

I think the Hulk relationship with the Avengers deserves a video since EMH did a very different take from the comics. Instead of having the Hulk only for two adventures then leave the group, returning only to be a antagonist or a accidental ally, they kept him on the team and allow Banner and Hulk to develop their dynamics with the other avengers, like Hawkeye.

@devisrikadem8781

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah me to.

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

2 жыл бұрын

His friendship with Hawkeye was great.

@devilhulk6898

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp ikr

@cosmicriptid

2 жыл бұрын

I really loved his dynamic with Hawkeye

@tannerbruning868

2 жыл бұрын

I think there are some points in the comics where banner is kept as a member of the avengers, but I definitely see your point

Definitely my favorite Hulk adaptation. I get the films can’t afford endless CGI animation for Hulk, but EMH actually let the green giant exist as his own character rather than just a rage ball. Also Fred Tatasciore’s Hulk voice is pretty perfect.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I’m concerned, Fred IS Hulk’s voice!

@ANW115

2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@conradlorgar5508

2 жыл бұрын

They can definitely afford endless cgo

@Gojirawars03

2 жыл бұрын

Fred is to Hulk what Steve Blum is to Wolverine, or what Mark Hamill is to Joker, or Kevin Conroy to Batman.

@DrewLSsix

2 жыл бұрын

@@conradlorgar5508 they can, but that's not the issue. The issue is they don't hold the rights to a Hulk film. They can use him in other characters films but not his own. So his whole story has to be squeezed into already full movies. It would have been great to see what he was upto between infinity war and Endgame but the only possible place for that would have been Endgame, and that film was probably exactly as full as it could have been without being a tiresome mess. And hulks story simply wouldn't have served any purpose other than fan service.

The problem I have with the movie version is that it doesn't feel like the two characters fuse together. None of hulk's childish or stubborness is in him anymore. It feels less likely combined and more like a banner took control of hulk's body.

@Joeymercury514

2 жыл бұрын

Well that is professor hulk from the comics

@Dave102693

Жыл бұрын

@@Joeymercury514 then it’s trash

@dagakotowaru6118

Жыл бұрын

@@Joeymercury514 it's trash

@therrfuin7897

Жыл бұрын

@@Dave102693 yeah most people didn't like professor hulk in the comics either

@saintwolfman9221

Жыл бұрын

Well, in the comics, it wasn't just Hulk and Banner. Professor Hulk was Green Hulk's strength and appearance, Banner's intellect, and Joe Fixit's confidence and attitude. I actually liked the 90s hulk cause he felt a bit like an action hero. He was interesting.

In the Immortal Hulk, the Hulk we know isn’t retconned to be another being from hell, they just say that’s where the source of his power comes from. In fact, they go into more detail about his DID, giving his other Hulk personalities like the returning Devil Hulk a reason to exist, stemming from being abused by his father.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification!

@blackphoenix77

2 жыл бұрын

Immortal Hulk was amazing; it sucks that it ended.

@Zaacdrums

2 жыл бұрын

Hes not from hell. He’s the personification of God’s anger or toaa anger. It’s why he has no limit to his strength/anger and why he is so op

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

2 жыл бұрын

That story went on way longer than it should have. Honestly, I didn't get the hype.

@andresmarrero8666

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a needless and pointless change to me.

The hulk in emh is honestly the best version of the character, it not only perfectly represents his dynamic with banner, but also how powerful he is.

@R0-83-RT

2 жыл бұрын

A detail I like about EMH is that the Hulk appears to retain Banners intellect. It has been shown Hulk recognizing useage of Gamma radiation, and has strategized more than a few times. This shows the difference between Banner & the Hulk are more so in temperament opposed to intellect.

@abdullahahmad4239

Жыл бұрын

EMH is the best adaptation of Matvek characters. Period.

@projekttaku1

Жыл бұрын

the best way to represent his power is to have him being bodied by someone like thor but he gets angrier and eventually overpowers them. That's what makes the hulk so strong: His limitless potential.

This is my favourite version of the Hulk I love the fact that Bruce stops trying to get rid of the Hulk and accepts him as apart of himself and as a living being. It feels like a natural evolution of the character (unlike the comics that constantly reset everything with each new run). And while their compromise is a bit tragic for Bruce, it does lead to Hulk growing as a person and a hero. I liked the brotherly bond between Hulk and Hawkeye, and the respect he develops for Thor, which is represented well when he confronts Ultron after he "kills" Thor. While I am a little disappointed that Hulk didn't rejoin the team full time near the end of S2, It was nice to see Hulk leave on better terms, promising to help If they need him and calling them friends. It was the natural conclusion to his arc finally accepting his role as an Avenger and accepting the others as his friends.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on!

@nkuniverse7856

2 жыл бұрын

@@PillarofGarbage my fav live action verison is the one from the 70s tv show

@tannerbruning868

2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy some of hulks comic runs, but yeah, the constant resets are always gonna be a problem of comics in general

@isiahalcindor6278

Жыл бұрын

Why do you have to shit on the comics especially with false information? Because I can tell you didn't read immortal hulk, the comics flesh out his character by exploring the mental ramifications on the hulk and banner through the lense of d.i.d while recontextualizing why the hulks exist

@projekttaku1

Жыл бұрын

@@isiahalcindor6278 and also retconned his powers to being from the dark version of the one above all for no reason and then gets reset.

Honestly, the show doesn’t really need to be congratulated on its characterization of Bruce and the Hulk, it does what most adaptions do of the character. It just seems so fleshed out because the MCU has mishandled and avoided doing so. Congrats on 10k by the way.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

I agree - when writing this video my focus was less on an overall evaluation of EMH’s Hulk and more on a closer analysis of that key scene between him and Bruce in the diner. But you’ve got to jazz it up a little for the thumbnail ;) Thanks for the congratulations!

@MTV2O2O

2 жыл бұрын

@@PillarofGarbage Yeah, glad your channel’s gotten so successful so quickly. Admittedly the Hulk having more than just the Incredible Hulk movie probably would have helped the characterization…hope Universal Studios’s Hulk Ride is worth it.

@nicholasdiaz1925

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTV2O2O It is a great roller-coaster, I gotta say

@MTV2O2O

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasdiaz1925 Yeah, whatever not worth sacrificing the entire Hulk franchise and its characters

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTV2O2O well, it seems we’ll be getting more soon, between Shang-Chi’s post-credits scene and the upcoming She-Hulk show.

The transformation of Banner into "smart Hulk" in the MCU was really handled poorly. They should've had Doc Samson and therapy involved with the process like in the comics

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

I agree - especially since more MCU Doc Samson means Ty Burrell returning!

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I think the Infinity saga should have been 3 films, similar to the Lord of the rings.

@mikevignola4213

Жыл бұрын

It's been an issue since before "smart hulk" I've always felt that in the MCU hulk retains too much self-control. He's rarely ever a liability to the avengers like he is in the comics.

@SWDude2710

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp that wouldn't really work as good as the films have already done.

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

Жыл бұрын

@@SWDude2710 I think it would be better. Why rush to the end? Cramming everything into one film. Endgame was garbage.

Also for the MCU Hulk, it's not even a combination of Hulk and Banner, it's just Banner with Hulk's body. Hulk essentially doesn't exist anymore.

@ShadowSonic2

Жыл бұрын

That's Professor Hulk from the comics, though

@rvrmdude

2 ай бұрын

He might as well be some other dude with super strength as a superpower . The character sucks so bad.

Like a lot of other characters, the EMH iteration is my favorite of the Hulk. A lot of people remember that he was a loose cannon at odds with the team, but I remember him more as just as much a tanky backbone as Thor. Remember that he was the first to stick up for Hawkeye when he was accused of being a Skrull, or when he thought Ultron killed Thor he yelled out "I'm going to enjoy this, robot. THIS ONE IS FOR THOR!!!" I also feel as though an entire Hulk cartoon happened before EMH. He fought Wolverine in his show, he has the most villains exclusive to him, he's hit a truce with Banner inside his head, and even background characters working for Ross are interesting. Talbot, Doc Samson, even cowboy-hat guy flying the copter seems like they could've shined in that show.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Josh Fine, one of the show’s producers, has mentioned in the past that EMH grew out of an idea the team had before for a Hulk cartoon - so I feel you’re definitely on to something here! All these characters and backstory which we’re shown were likely holdovers from that never-realised show.

@theserpent8667

2 жыл бұрын

@@PillarofGarbage Imagine a universe where we received that Hulk cartoon, and it was great!

@theserpent8667

2 жыл бұрын

@TheGlassesPro How about both!

There are stories in the comics that imply that the Hulk is actually a childlike personality Banner developed as a coping mechanism for abuse he experienced as a child. Using the Hulk whenever he's scared or angry. This is actually a common way this condition develops in people, too. It just so happens that during the gamma accident this personality manifested as the Hulk we see today. I like this depiction a lot. And I love when Marvel media explores Banner as a man with multiple perspnalities. Thor Ragnarok does this well.

@diddles3383

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, people with DID tend to develop a protective alter of sorts as a result of their trauma to protect themselves.

@Sucmydack

Жыл бұрын

Ehhh i disnt like hulk in ragnarok, he felt wayyyy too childish

@ellie8272

Жыл бұрын

@@Sucmydack That's canonically what the Hulk is. Bruce Banner was abused by his father, causing him to develop a childlike split personality he reverts to in stressful situations as a coping mechanism, this is often how split personalities work irl. When he was hit by the gamma accident, that personality became Hulkified. Hulk acting childish is completely accurate to the character

@Sucmydack

Жыл бұрын

@@ellie8272 dude i know that, regarsless he was TOO childish, hulk was a gag character in ragnarok when hes got alot more personality traits, its like them making dardevil into a funnt character, theyre taking the worst aspects of comics, its been shown plenty of times hulk can be more than just a stupid character, also taikia waitti is overated af

@iswitchedsidesforthiscat

6 ай бұрын

​@@SucmydackHulk is childish, but he still matures with Banner to a degree, so I can agree a bit

I like how they treated Hulk and Bruce as two different sides. You can see similarities and differences between those sides. I would have likes to have seen more of the Bruce side. Also after this series got cancelled felt his character was done so dirty with Agents of Smash, took this complex and interesting Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide and just threw it out. Kinda like how MCU did in Endgame.

@anitanielsen1061

Жыл бұрын

69 noice

@Jason_Wilhelm

Жыл бұрын

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@shinkaiatsuya950

Жыл бұрын

@@Jason_Wilhelm thanks for the recommendation.

EMH Hulk is definitely a superior depiction of Bruce Banner and The Hulk. The Immortal Hulk comic run also made the relationship of Bruce Banner and The Hulks much more interesting and complex. Gotta love it when people do not present The Hulk as just a character for smashing, but rather a person to understand.

Hulk's relationships with the rest of the Avengers definitely deserves a video. Also, I think there were plans for The Incredible Hulk to have a trilogy before it became MCU cannon. It makes me wonder if the character arc of Bruce and Hulk would have gone in a similar direction EMH did.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

I think so - that last scene where Banner deliberately transforms in the cabin would suggest a similar trajectory!

@geeebuttersnap2433

2 жыл бұрын

Marvel wanted to make a hulk trilogy, but universal studios didn’t allow them to.

EMH Hulk is the one we should've got in Endgame, he literally knew a form a cosmic radiation that Tony didn't even know, even though he's smart, he wasn't Bruce Banner in a Hulk body. He WAS the Hulk but with knowledge

@sussyangel7492

Жыл бұрын

I can stomp MCU with my finger.

@leonardobraynen1524

Жыл бұрын

I love Leonardos!!!!

As someone who is plural, the EMH depiction of The Hulk is extremely realistic to someone who experiences DID. It’s very nice to see the writers of EMH use The Hulk as representation for plural people. We also agree that the MCU Hulk is very disappointing, because it felt like they were developing a story for the character that would also be good representation. However, the introduction of Professor Hulk quickly killed that.

We really got robbed of such a good show when they cancelled this series. The writing and animation was superb

My favorite version of hulk period! I love how he has a actual personality and feelings instead of a mindless monster like the MCU version. You can tell Thor ragnarok tried to replicate this but it honestly just came off as dumb, cringe, and just plain stupid. I also love how he can see banner.

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that.

@ANW115

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylansharp8471 good for u lol

@applekingen3581

10 ай бұрын

2008 Hulk was the MCU Hulk that came closest to this Hulk in personality and feelings even though he didn’t talk much.

I think the most complicated video using this format comparing the MCU with EMH will be Iron Man. Unlike every other character, Iron Man has the most in common with his cinema counterpart, so much so that it honestly feels like they're just snatching up RDJ and putting him in Bronze Age Comics.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

I think part of that is due to EMH coming out after the first Iron Man films - it’s interesting to see the beginnings of the MCU impacting on EMH, but nothing else! It would certainly be an interesting one to make :)

I do like how EMH shows Banner and Hulk are literally two different people, always sharing one body, and whether they’re at each other’s throats, they always seem to find a way to work together.

I think that 2003’s Hulk and Banner also reached a similar understanding with each other as by the end of the movie, Banner had no problem transforming into Hulk to protect the people he was caring for

@applekingen3581

10 ай бұрын

Also 2008 Hulk who did transform even though he recieved the cure treatment just moments before so Bruce was very afraid that he wouldn’t transform.

@lukinhaszebr5163

6 ай бұрын

​@@applekingen3581fax

I think people really sleep on the potential of the Hulk. The MCU havent really been able to go all out with the charecter since the movie rights belonged to universal. But the Hulk has a deeply complex lore featuring a wide rouge gallery, his own fractured psyche and being despised by...well darn near everyone at one point or another.

@joserobertosolismerlin5527

Жыл бұрын

Tell me a character thats part Jeckill part Hyde part oppenhimmer part Frankestein Part werewolf Part Godzilla Does not have imteresting potential

I love Hulk in this show as well. We really got to dive into Hulk as his own person instead of what the MCU did where he's just a weapon even on the Avengers. I thought we were going to dive more into who he is Thor 3 but only a small glimpse. I just want to see Hulk let loose but also get to know him as him. Great video man.

Wonderful insights as always! Best EMH Hulk line: "It's called a distraction smart guy."

@franciscs1604

9 ай бұрын

Let me guess… Season 1, Episode 17 - *”The Man Who Stole Tomorrow”* ?

Hulk and Hawkeye’s relationship in this show deserves a deeper dive I think PLEASE DO IT!

Hulk in EMH is my favorite version of the character in media. He’s his own character but so is Banner, neither is useless to the team. EMH Bruce Banner feels more like Edward Norton than Mark Ruffalo

This show did the Hulk so right. I love the idea of both personalities working together.

The big thing I also love about banner is someone I can relate to because of his anger issues. Banner spends so long trying to deal with the hulk by repressing it, but because of this it flares up it the most difficult of times becoming a monster. My anger was like that and when I lost control I had hurt people and I felt awful because of it. I ended up pushing people away and disconnecting with friends because of how scared I was of being that monster. But I learnt that by accepting that anger by understanding it and where it comes from I was able to move forward to be healthy and to have friends again. Which is why I hate mcu hulk because it just removes all that and now he's prof hulk and that happened off screen. Now he's cgi mark ruffalo

The fact that the Hulk Vs animated movie, and that Wolverine & the X-Men take place in the emh universe makes this character even better

I think you really hit the nail on the head for why I love this adaptation of Hulk. An issue I have with a lot of adaptations is that oftentimes Banner and Hulk's character growth is jogging in place. No matter what, the status quo of the Hulk always being on the run from the military will eventually roll back around regardless of the countless lives he'd have saved as an Avenger. See Hulk and Banner come to an understanding and learning to cooperate can help the characters progress. Plus Bruce's insistence that Hulk help the Avengers and Hulk maybe even wanting to just help people regardless gives him more incentive to stick around on the team than the reasoning given in the original comics.

I like how at the end of, The incredible hulk it shows how Bruce was able to control his emotion and to help himself control and accept the hulk.

@projekttaku1

Жыл бұрын

I just hate his design. I really don't understand why they couldn't simply go with the comic design. Come to think of it, why didn't the 2003 movie use the comic design? Since him being so green was apparently ang lee trying to mimic the comics.

Not only was this the best Hulk, with the possible exception of agents of S.M.A.S.H. which almost felt like a continuation of this. But I also feel this was the best of the avengers al together. It was possibly the last time the characters were not being shoved into a mold made by the MCU version. Part of what made me like it was it was very much like the point that the two had reached in the Planet Hulk story line. Hulk and Banner had a duality similar to jeckyll and Hyde in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. One of my favorite moments was a episode that started with Hulk siting around eating a bucket of chicken and Tony walks in having trouble understanding some energy readings his sensors picked up. Hulk glances at it and tells Tony its cosmic radiation which Tony automatically disagrees with only to realize that Hulk was right. This is the two working togther with banner providing his knowledge through Hulk.

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

It wasa different hulk, but aproviate. Ans agents of smash is very 80s cartoon with morals and talling, which tat fits in. Plus they actually make him funny here. And red hulk, is interesting.

@samueldimmock694

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm torn between this and Planet Hulk (especially as retconned by later comics). Probably the main reason why I like Planet Hulk so much is that Hulk gets a happy ending and a more or less normal life (pretending that World War Hulk never happened).

@melvinfranco2142

8 ай бұрын

Basically, the Hulk was learning about radiation thanks to Banner.

It is nice to see Banner be a character. As often it feels like the character is completely side lined.

Great analysis on my favorite character. I think your theory about the Hulk agreeing to work with the avengers because, deep down, he himself wants to do good and be seen as a hero on his own terms, is completely on point. The conversation that Hulk has with Bruce in the episode where the enchantress controls him to attack the avengers pretty much confirms this: Hulk: Everything they have said about me is true. I am a monster… Bruce: It’s only true if you let it be. Walk away now, and it will be. In the comics, the Hulk is usually reluctant to outwardly display his heroism ( especially Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit), because the general perception will always be that he only did it because of Bruce’s influence on him. It serves as a reminder to him that people don’t see him as an individual, and that eventually, for all the good that he does, he will never totally be trusted, and humans will turn on him in the end. So on the show, he has a chance to prove the humans wrong, and he wants that to be his victory alone. Not Bruce’s. Avengers EMH is the best and most layered version of the Hulk outside the comics, and I wish the MCU would takes some cues from it. Their Hulk is always missing the psychological relationship between Bruce and Hulk that makes relatable to so many people. I mean, Bruce’s dissociative identity disorder has never even been discussed or explored on screen at all. To have Bruce and Hulk merge together completely off screen with a hand wave of an explanation is both a missed opportunity and a sin against the characters. Hopefully, when he appears on the She-Hulk Disney plus show, this will be remedied. You should definitely make a separate video exploring Hulk’s friendship with Hawkeye and Captain America, since they’re the team members who made him feel the most accepted, and never viewed him as a monster, even when situations would temp them to believe otherwise. Keep up the great work!

The problem with the Hulk in the comics was they took his multiple personality disorder too far and gave him too many different identities. While I agree with you that the movies skipped over the Hulk's character development, a huge problem Marvel had was that they could never make a solo Hulk film and there were already too many characters to balance out in the MCU. Also, while EMH is my favorite Hulk, a huge advantage that they had was not only the additional to flesh out the character, but they started from a point that was already pretty health for Banner the first time we meet the Hulk.

@Coreisus

2 жыл бұрын

Well, bare in mind that The Incredible Hulk is MCU Canon, and at that point Bruce/Hulk were definitely not doing good mentally. Then in the first Avengers movie you can tell he's on edge, like he's doing okay cuz of his circumstances and surroundings but he's nervous and anxious being there cuz he doesn't want to get triggered. Then every movie appearance since then he's gotten more comfortable with the team as he's spent more time with them and had opportunities to exercise his skills. Up until it culminates with Thor:Ragnarok- Infinity War-Endgame, which I'm sure are recent enough to remember.

@leonardobraynen1524

Жыл бұрын

INCREDIBLE HULK worked pretty well, Henry

@henrypeters5291

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardobraynen1524 I am not saying they can't make a good one. I am say the can't period. The Incredible Hulk's IP is owned by Universal Studios so Marvel can't make another solo Hulk film until they buy the rights back.

@leonardobraynen1524

Жыл бұрын

@@henrypeters5291 ok. Thanks for explaining the difference. Makes sense.

@henrypeters5291

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardobraynen1524 No problem.

Hulk is my favorite character from Avengers EMH. From his first to his last appearance, he was the one I was most invested in and I loved the relationships and dynamics between him and everyone else. Actually, his was the first episode I ever saw.

Don't forget the moment Hulk drew on knowledge from Bruce by recognizing readings of cosmic energy

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Great point!

Cartoon Hulk: goes through arc of splitting between Bruce and The Hulk, with Banner agreeing to let the Hulk stay in control so the Hulk can save the world Live Action Hulk: hulk out *dabs*

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

Oh come on, he did more than just a dab. That was like 1 freaking moment.

@solaire2271

Жыл бұрын

@@dylansharp8471 You're absolutely right, he did a lot more humiliating character moments in his mcu existence. Like acting and whining like an actual child instead of only having the naivety of of one. Be the butt of jokes, and doing nothing useful the entire movie except wrestle Fanrir the giant wolf for 2 minutes and hit Surtur (Also treated as a joke). And all of that is in Ragnarok alone. His treatment in the mcu after the avengers has been nothing but an insult to the character time and time again.

EMH is so underrated. It's amazing. Too bad they rushed Season 2, but damn I miss that show.

The best MCU hulk was Edward Norton's Hulk. I'm pretty sure MCU hulk would've stayed character driven had they kept him around, or if they had decided not to make hulk so comedic during and after the avengers movie. I wish we could get his comic stories of tragedy in the big screen again.

My only problem with EMH Hulk is that there's way too little Banner. Him never being allowed to come out is extremely sad, he doesn't have a life anymore now. I kept expecting Hulk's development of learning to trust others to eventually lead to them having a fairer deal of who gets to be out, but it just never happened.

@skullsandbats3282

Жыл бұрын

I know this was posted months ago but I completely agree. While I love the EMH version of Hulk I felt that the Bruce personality got cheated and I wish we got to see more of him. It’s odd that none of the other avengers found it problematic that Hulk was in control 24/7 and never let poor Banner out but one day a month. I love seeing Bruce fully accepting the hulk and willing to give up his time so Hulk can be seen as a hero but the relationship seems one sided as the Hulk is still not very accepting of Banner. It’s great to see Hulk be Hulk in everyday situations but Bruce shouldn’t be completely denied the ability to enjoy his own life either. They both have a right to exist and I see no reason why the deal couldn’t be to just split their time equally between each other so that both of them get to shine.

@christopherauzenne5023

14 күн бұрын

Personally I would have atleast wanted more internal dialogues between banner and hulk, but I do like the nice little subversion of having the hulk be the dominant personality that takes the focus (most adaptations usually focus on banner and only bring the hulk out during the battles/tension moments so having sorta the opposite was interesting/allowed the hulk to be a character). But yeah if the show had continued I would have loved for banner and hulk to develop a more balanced relationship

The Hulk was my favorite comic book hero when I was a kid, so I was naively excited to see him getting more movies and expanding on a universe with him in it. A decade down the line and he’s slowly become someone else entirely in the MCU. He’s played only for jokes nowadays, and we never really saw that character dynamic between Banner and Hulk truly explored. What really got me fed up was when Thanos kicked his ass in less than a minute and THE FREAKIN HULK got scared and ran away. I don’t have to tell anyone here why that fight should have ended very differently, but not enough people talk about that scene and I’m still mad at it years later lol. Great video! Always happy to see Hulk discussions

The Hulk is usually my favorite Avenger and I like EMH’s portrayal of him and Banner, they have a dark and complex relationship. My biggest complaint about Avengers Assembled is that Hulk is just there for comedic relief and Banner is almost completely nonexistent except for like 1 or 2 episodes.

I've never been a huge Hulk fan, but I'm in love with this version.

This is my favourite depiction because we just get to see more of it. I kinda wish Thor: Ragnarok incorporated the communication between each other while in different forms. But instead of Bruce talking to Hulk, it's Hulk talking to Bruce after he changes back (Bruce would have still been suppressed for 2 years)

Glad others feel the same way I do about the MCU Hulk in comparison to EMH. That incarnation of Hulk has always been some sort of golden standard for me when it came to the Hulk-Banner relationship, the fact that the Hulk has gotten such little characterization in the MCU compared to shows like this just baffles me. Hulk being his own personality due to Banner's disorder was always so fascinasting.

Well done, in-depth analysis of ol' Jade jaws psyches (Banner/Hulk). Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and say I'd love to see your thoughts on Hulk's relationships/interactions with his fellow Avengers. I'll always remember a scene from the comic during one of its reboots when the Avengers decided to reunite to save the world from Morgan LeFey; They were all at Avengers Mansion minus the Hulk (who was by this time still highly antisocial, lol, but fairly intelligent). They got a video transmission from him on their computers where he said, scowling, "Yeah, I heard about yer little pajama party. I don't wanna be bothered. Bother me again...and I come bother YOU. Got it?" Click. And Cap just said "Well now." Lol. I loved it, and it pretty much sums it up. Thanks for all your great vids!

I really appreciate how much you dive into the Marvel Animation stuff that's worth looking at

Hulk is my favorite character ever in fiction. EMH absolutely nailed the hulk and banner dynamic. Great video.

I wonder if we'll get something close to this relationship in the MCU with what we've seen in She-Hulk/The Shang Chi credit scene. Now that Banner is normal, will we see the Hulk revert more to how he used to be?

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Anything’s possible!

@kennethsatria6607

2 жыл бұрын

Historically in the comics Professor Hulk kind of was just a temporary thing that eventually broke up into his base personalities. Basically it was not a cured form but more like a fragile truce between his personalities.

@Rebelrose

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 I mean that makes sense for the comics. They always undo changes that are permanent. Like in a comic book, no character ever stays dead or has a permanent change. Like Peter in the Civil War comics. He reveals his identity but later sells his soul so everyone forgets, which is something I hope doesn't happen in NWH. I know he'll try to have everyone forget, but it feels cheap.

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rebelrose "which is something I hope doesn't happen in NWH" Well it didn't entirely.

@Rebelrose

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylansharp8471 To be fair, The way I thought they would just have it where the spell is just complete with MJ, Ned, Happy, and anyone who is close to Peter still knowing while everyone is else forgot. With how they actually did it in NWH is perfect

The Immortal Hulk series definitely goes through this same exploration of Banner’s DID and starts a similar coexistence between Hulk, Banner, and the Grey Hulk (who is now red)

I found your channel two days ago. By now I have watched all of your EMH videos, and it’s a shame you only have 10k subs

Hulk is my all time favourite fictional character that drew me to Superheroes, monsters, horror & the psychological. I've been disappointed with the MCU version over the past few years but looking back at the EMH depection it's certainly the most heathly Banner/Hulk of any adaptation as both have agreed to a arrangement as well as being a heroic force. If EMH ever continues it would be incredible to see how they evolve, the other personalities coming about like Joe Fixit and Devil Hulk, seeing other Hulk characters coming to the fray like Betty Ross/Red Harpy, Rick Jones etc. Pillar of Garbage I'd be happy to see your Hulk & the Avengers relationship video and thank you for this video.

Fantastic video your only getting better and better with each video man

Hey, great stuff you made! Also a really big fan of the Hulk! Everything you said I agreed with other than the Immortal Hulk mention. In that book (specifically the last issue: issue 50), the One Above All tell the Hulk that everyone has a Hulk, just that Banner's manifested due to his childhood and the gamma bomb. With this, the Hulk isn't some otherworldly demon like you claimed, but is exactly what he's always been. I also may have to reread the series and last issue because it HAS been a while since. Keep up the good work!

One thing I adore about Earths Mightiest Hero’s is how well they understood and adapted each major character both Hero AND Villian. They aren’t just these 1 dimensional same copy and pasted characters. Mainly for the heroes they gave them their own struggles and challenges for them to overcome and it was so good to see how those things changed and shaped them for the better In my opinion Hulk and Ant-Man/Yellowjacket are standout characters and two of my favourites in the show (aside from Black Panther and Captain America). They couldn’t be more opposite than each other yet they want/wanted the same thing. Peace. And both of them then do a 180. Hank sees that he was wrong and becomes more unhinged and Hulk steps into a more heroic role. Brilliant writing Hulk in the MCU in the other hand is the biggest fumble of a character I’ve ever seen

Fantastic video! Nice to see I'm not alone in this!

Awesome video. You showed a really interesting part of heroism of this character I was not aware of.

In my marvel universe series when we first see hulk he’s pretty much the angry green rage monster we come to love. But really even in the start we see that it’s something wrong with him. We later find out that during Hulk and Banner’s many mental battles Hulk accidentally peaked just a bit into Bruce’s mind where Hulk would get the complexity of humanity loaded into his brain. While it made him angry the only thing he really cared to think about was realizing the peoples perspective. Realizing how many people probably lost their homes or lives just because of him and how the times he beat up those who where probably the only ones that wanted to be with him. While the hulk is the “regular” hulk (he would take from emh hulk) he doesn’t shout that he’s the strongest there is or insult those who is fighting because he gained that Banner always had…. Perspective. Like imagine him looking into his own fists and imagining how many people lost their homes. It’s thanks to that perspective that kind of pushes him into defeating Thanos during the “Infinity Gauntlet: second snap” arc (pls give it a better name) since he knows how many has suffered thanks to Thanos. By the end of the series Hulk and Bruce’s mind merge into one. This version of hulk is like if you combined Professor Hulk, EMH Hulk, Doc Green and Bruce Banner. But that wouldn’t mean that the hulk is still the hulk that leaves to smash bad guys and gets stronger the angrier he becomes. HULK SMASH!

Ah one of the greatest shows ever!!!!! I always catch myself coming back every year

Best presentation of The Hulk I've seen since the 90's cartoon.

Never thought much of Hulk until I started watching EMH. He became a favourite by the end for me.

The idee fore hulk´s relation with the team is very good + i still now that the hope of the show´s revive is here it gunne be next year i bet 100% i feel it nice vidoe my man

Yes!!! I always wanted to see more of THIS Hulk! And yes please do a video on: Hulk & the Avengers

Oh god, I nearly forgot about this show! I remember watching it with my dad when I was young! Truly some of the best moments of my childhood!

I noticed you played a 70s show clip Believe it or not but that banner also begins to realize how useful hulk can be One of the best ones was banner gets hit by a car and losses the ability to walk but after having a hulk out he learns that hulk can heal it, of course now he must decide risking the city's safety or be should he be selfish It's actually a great series if you find the right episodes, great vid man

I would like to see a video about the relationship between the Hulk and the rest of the Avengers! Great job on this one! Keep up the good work 😉!

I love this, and I wish the movies had done something similar, even just a scene like the one in the diner before getting professor hulk would have been great! I still love hulk in the comics, who at times is given very similar characterizations, but part of the problems with comics is that everything needs to be reset eventually, so any character progression will always be reset

Geez I remember borrowing various disks of this show from my local dvd store, they were all out of order and I don’t think I’ve seen past season one but I remember really enjoying what I watched, I never seem to hear anyone talk about it so it’s cool to see it here. Also the gamma radiation transformations of the rest of the avengers squad still haunt my dreams.

I agree with you. I do like Bruce and Hulk’s relationship and how they live with one another. This may be my favorite adaptation of the Hulk. Definitely do a video on Hulk’s relationship with his team mates that would be cool.

"Statisically speaking, there is probably someone watching this with some form of dissociative identity disorder" Me: Hey that's us!

Watching your playlist back to back after just finishing the show. Can confirm that Hulk and Banner absolutely remind me of DID as I've experienced it. I also feel like It shows more like that in the MCU following the first couple She-Hulk episodes

You glossed over SOOOO much of Immortal hulk if 'from another dimension' is what you got out of it. Hulk, as well as every gamma irradiated beings are connected through the one below all. It's really cool and dives into the multiple personalities that reside in the current mind of whoever is 'Hulk' at the given moment.

Wait, for real? "Hulk vs." is in the EMH continuity? I mean, I had that fun headcanon but I didn't actually think it was real. In any case, EMH definitely has what I think is the best version of the Hulk. All of your points were 100% correct. He's not the dumb "Hulk smash puny human" version people like to joke about in media. And they treated him with a seriousness and dignity that the MCU didn't even try to handle. And that stinks, because EMH shows the potential for the dynamic between Banner and Hulk and it would've been great to see that fully realized. This is actually the first video from you that I saw and a great start all around. I'd love to see you analyze the relationship between Hulk and the rest of the Avengers.

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

"that the MCU didn't even try to handle" Bruh.

@tfan2222

Жыл бұрын

@@dylansharp8471 Aside from the first avengers, it really didn’t.

I would like a version of Bruce/Hulk where Hulk isn’t a split personality, but simply is an infinite rage the Bruce has to manage with.

@projekttaku1

Жыл бұрын

I like the hulk being a split personality but that embodies his rage.

Yes I would like to see a video going over The Incredible Hulk's relationship with the other Avengers from Earth's Mightiest Heroes. It's been so long since I've seen that series but I don't remember most of it

Hi! were part of that .001-1% of people with this disorder who found this video!! We’re happy to see people all around the world start talking more about Dissociative Identity disorder, it’s helped people like us come a long way. It genuinely touches our heart to know that people are starting to understand that alters aren’t something that can just be removed. If anything most systems that come to an understanding Acknowledge their existence as true as their own. We are just consciousness inhabiting the same vessel ^^

I did not know Hulk vs is apart of this show and hulks been my favorite character since I was a kid and this is really interesting to hear

100% agree as hulk is my favourite marvel character across the board (MCU needs work) this depiction of him as always been my favourite and warms my heart knowing they can get along

i always loved the banner/hulk dichotomy from emh especially the banner design art style marvellous edit; if emh is brought back i hope they show the mental struggle between him hulk and grey hulk/other personalities edit 2; yes i wanna see another video describing hulks relationship with the other heroes espe ially hawkeye

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Grey hulk is definitely canon in EMH - Hill references at one point that the Hulk ‘started out grey’!

I really liked the conversation between Hulk and Captain America in the episode “Hail Hydra”: “Is that why you teamed up with me? To protect people from the monster?” “Stow that talk. I want you to protect civilians from Hydra: they’re the monsters here not you. In my day we had a name for someone like you.” “Yeah? What’s that?” “Hero. I’ve been watching you Hulk: no matter how scared people are of you, no matter how much you’re hounded, you always do the right thing and that makes you a hero in my book.”

I just wanna say nice video bro keep it up you’ll be big

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

YESSS PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT HULKS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AVENGERS

Your videos are the reward I get for finishing EMH

@PillarofGarbage

Жыл бұрын

here’s that heart back!

@Abominatrix650

Жыл бұрын

@@PillarofGarbage Thanks! I'll proofread better next time!

I miss avengers earth’s mightiest heroes. I also like your analysis of the hulk in this masterpiece of a marvel series.

The best animated depiction of the Avengers there has ever been I was really sorry to see it go when it was cancelled

EMH showed my favorite type of Hulk, the uneasy to cooperative alliance between Hulk and Banner. It also shows that, while anger might make him stronger, the Hulk only can reach the utter peek of his power when he, Banner, and sometimes the other personalities in his head, all agree. That's why his Green Scar form, the one from World War Hulk, was so damned strong and dangerous. They were both equally enraged and wanted revenge, and their cooperation lead to Hulk tapping into his World Breaker power.

It'll be good to see you make a video on Hulk's relationship with the avengers.That really needs some discussing.

How the characters are written in the show is part of why this series is so huge among the marvel community, or at least that’s the way it is for me, it’s definitely my most favorite versions of the avengers, I love the MCU and all but I love this series

One of the best examples of the Two souls one body trope (my favorite trope).

I mean, EMH really paid respect to ALL characters adapted, you can hardly find an adaptation that respects all the characters it adapt, sometimes the have to nerf or mischaracterize some characters to tell properly its story, that SUPRISINGLY don't happen in this show, each character(even the smaller roles) gets really well characterized in power & personality

Always been a huge Hulk fan loved how he was portrayed! 10 out of 10 would go bowling with Hulk anytime

10:30 can confirm someone with d.i.d is watching your video…I really appreciate your video

My favorite Hulk, with his classic version of the 90's TAS.

I’d like to see a fight where Banner and Hulk are so synchronized in their actions that their body constantly changes. Like Banner is allowed to stay active to learn a martial art and there’s a fight where the duo are dealing with a swarm of bad guys, switching between smashing and deflecting. Maybe Banner turns a little green with Hulk influence helping their attacks or Hulk’s hair changes color with Banner influence. Similar to Venom.

@PillarofGarbage

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a really cool idea!

Immortal hulk is an amazing run that builds on alot of the greatest parts of the hulk. You gotta read it man it shows the personalities working together it's great.

This series was worthy of more than just 2 seasons. Bring it back