If buying a game doesn't equal ownership... Pirating games doesn't equal stealing.

That just teaches me to pirate all Ubisoft games. If I can’t own your game, you can’t own my money.

@abdullahnaeem7275

Ай бұрын

Didn't buy any Ubisoft after far cry 3 which I'm glad.

@Krisztian5HUN

Ай бұрын

Sadly u cant pirate Ubisoft games bcause they are using Denuvo DRM all the time. But you lose nothing, ubi games usually scks...

@akiramurakami3177

Ай бұрын

@@Krisztian5HUN actually u still can. It just takes long time to crack, thats all. But eh, like u said, nothing of value is lost

@Krisztian5HUN

Ай бұрын

@@akiramurakami3177 not really at the moment nobody cracks denuvo, Empress is gone now (he was the only denuvo cracker)

@dangelocake2635

Ай бұрын

@@Krisztian5HUN It usually takes 5 months longer, which is about the time Ubisoft needs to patch the game to be playable anyways.

Companies who wants to cancel ownership needs to stop getting support from the customers.

@aliquidgaming1068

Ай бұрын

Basically anything you buy digitally does this. All corporations do this. It's in TOA in everything. Y'all gonna stop listening to music through streaming? Nah. Also I feel like your type of comment is similar to when people wanted to boycott bud light for LGBTQ stuff. When in reality they'd have to boycott almost all alcohol as a whole since there's only like 2 or 3 alcohol corporations that own all the brands 🤣😂 I feel like y'all want to boy cott this decision to make yourselves feel better and on some moral or ethical high ground.....but if you actually were to be held accountable for your words than you'd just have to pretty much not buy anything ever again. Even physical cause those physical media copies are still produced by corps selling digital goods. Y'all may not like it but it's an issue now only after it's been in TOA for ages and we all knew it would happen. Ubi also isn't the first to do this. Ubi is just an easy punching bag and high profile. Y'all don't really care about this shit.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

they have, just not enough people are willing to fully back a boycott yet, like once i saw this story forming about 2 week ago i stated in one of Ubisoft's game discussion boards that i will no longer purchase their games, even when on sale, and there was a game i was thinking about getting that was only $5 but i decided to not purchase the game because my understanding was that this idea that they are practicing will likely do this for all of their games in the future. i mentioned i don't trust Ubisoft and will no longer purchase any of their games now or their future games anymore until their company goes bankrupt and is purchased by some other company who treats their customer base better. ya know last year they were apart of a very similar controversy and the CEO at the time said they would never do this kind of thing, well it's been a while since that story and here we are with the same idea again and they are actually admitting it, when the same CEO comes out and says he wants gamers to become comfortable with not owning their games, we know they plan on taking all of their games back so that they can get people to get on their service Ubisoft connect, which is an endless subscription service. i feel Ubisoft needs to become comfortable with people no longer purchasing any of their games anymore, if enough people join in on this boycott, we will make a dramatic impact, but i hope people go as far as i do in just allowing their company to go bankrupt so they have to sell their entire IP library to some other company, because they can no longer be trusted.

@ashroskell

Ай бұрын

If they forced companies to call their game transactions, “Rentals,” instead of purchases and forced them to get your agreement to their Terms Of Service BEFORE you pay for it, that would be more honest. In court, no gaming company would stand a chance! Imagine buying a TV, Car, light bulb, whatever, and then, when you get it home and go to use it for the first time, you get a text on your phone telling you that you must, “agree,” to their TOS or the thing just won’t work!? Then, when it fails to work you contact their support department and they tell you, “Oh, you can’t use it between midnight and 2:am. It’s in your 250 pages long TOS and you already agreed to it.” So you swallow your humiliation and get used to it, until 10 years later some guy shows up with a team of enforcers to take back your TV, car, or light bulb. When you try to prevent the theft, you’re told they don’t support that model anymore and YOU are on the wrong side of the, “law”??? Because THAT’S the level of brass balls these corpos are waving in our faces right now. And you know WHY they’re doing it? Because we let them get away with everything else up to now. We painted the word, “target,” on our uncritical, drooling faces and they keep taking their best shots. If we don’t act as one, sign those petitions and refuse to, “buy,” I mean RENT the low quality fetch-questathons these Ubisoftintheheads keep shatting out at us, then that’s on us.

@06AsiaMarie

Ай бұрын

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Wouldn't this mean you can't play any game then? Since all of the disc have been license anyways for the most part? Which all require internet to verify the license? Or are they the game and they restrict the use of the game? I play Playstation so I don't know if PC is different in this case too

@JammyGuns

Ай бұрын

@@06AsiaMarie Most physical games (even PS5 games) still do contain a fully playable version of the game on the disc, no download or internet connection required to play and complete (other than an initial one for the console when you first set it up). Series X games are more spotty in this regard however.

This is like buying a book and someone from the publishing company knocks at your door ten years later to tell you you can't keep it anymore and it has to be burned. Literally insane...meanwhile Polyphony updated GT Sport so that it can be played offline even if the servers are gone.

@ozziey52

Ай бұрын

No it’s not like that

@buffsniper

Ай бұрын

​@@ozziey52yes, it's like that. If not, prove me wrong then

@CoffeeRising

Ай бұрын

@@ozziey52so it’s not like owning it, then getting it taken away? What else is it like, then?

@Lemmiwings

Ай бұрын

@@CoffeeRising You never bought the game, you bought a license to access the game. If you bought said license, you agreed to the conditions Ubisoft put into the contract, you had to accept in order to play the game. It's all very transparent and legally solid.

@Deliveredmean42

Ай бұрын

@@Lemmiwings Then don't call it "buying" and call it what it should have been called: "renting". And because of this weird choice of wording any form of EULA will be voided e overuled with the right government ruling or law of your country once its taken to court. And it has happen before. And its also criminal that you need to buy a game BEFORE you are able to see the terms of service now we think about it.

As someone who bought the Ultimate Edition of this game, it is absolutely disgusting that a game that I bought with money doesn't work because it can't connect to a server despite all of the content of the game being stored on a disc.

The people defending Ubisoft and insulting people that care about this are something else.

@ozziey52

Ай бұрын

No, y’all just don’t understand things. Just play The Crew 2, it’s much better anyway. Y’all just love to hate and make a big deal of everything because you can on social media.

@buttermilk5364

Ай бұрын

@@ozziey52 You sound deranged.

@clips5552

Ай бұрын

@@ozziey52 i could care less i never got the game and i know servers arent free to maintain but they still should've made an offline mode or make it so players host the servers.

@TheBikeOnTheMoon

Ай бұрын

​@@ozziey52 heck no, you are the one that don't understand things, if think you can just say "just play X game 2, it's much better anyway" then you are just being ignorant and blinded by corporate crap. Let's apply your argument to, for example, aoe2 vs aoe3 or red alert 2 vs red alert 3 or Starcraft1 vs Starcraft 2 or Dishonored 1 vs Dishonored 2, Your argument all the sudden falls apart and sounds absolutely silly. And mind you that all the later games from those franchises I mentioned above are technically better than previous ones with many improvements. Yet a lot of people still play the older games. Imagine the outrage if Blizshiet just removed Starcraft 1 from the store or steam removed skyrim5 or GTAV or Half life 2 because they are old games.

@xxzghostxxz2165

Ай бұрын

@@clips5552 closed minded.

This is exactly why I never bought an “always online” game and only bought digital games if they are retro or at a very deep sale price. SUPPORT PHYSICAL MEDIA!

@BasedStarClips

Ай бұрын

Bro lives in the stone age😭 Bro puts a CD into into his console💀💀

@DV-ou1yu

Ай бұрын

​@BasedStarClips Lmao you sound stupid, but this is hilarious regardless 😂😂😂

@alantucker1550

Ай бұрын

@@BasedStarClips edited and still what is wrong with CD, if you favourite game got delisted would you still say the same thing

@marshallbeck9101

Ай бұрын

In the era of online gaming you have to assume that the always online game will someday be unplayable. It is what it is that’s why I usually don’t play them or atleast grow attached to it

@freeweights101

Ай бұрын

@@BasedStarClips how is it stone age if it's still present

Imagine if Gta V, Skyrim, or Elden Ring just was suddenly removed from all video game stores, and all online/dlc functionality was revoked. That can basically still happen today. It's super scummy, and Ubisoft should be punished for this.

@jimmyv3170

Ай бұрын

Ubisoft already does that with their games from the 2010's. A lot of DLC for that era of games were stuck on servers that are no longer there. Hell they're still selling those games and they're not even functional anymore.

@nicibrugier

Ай бұрын

Those games would then at least still be playable in single player for those who bought it or have a physical copy. The crew basically is erased from existence aside from the game case which can be used for decoration now

@AP90x

Ай бұрын

They wont be pubished, they will be praised by other companies and other companies will do the same. We will all continue to buy (now rent) these games because we are consumers and will consume anything no matter what

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

which is why we the gamers should allow Ubisoft to go bankrupt so they have to sell their entire library to someone more competent. which means we all have to join in on this boycott so they sell everything, just hopefully the new owners don't get this wild hair up their asses as well, and if they do, then we know how to do this little dance once again.

@ozziey52

Ай бұрын

@@AP90xthat’s how it works. Grow up

Same company who told everyone to get comfortable not owning games anymore.

@bencarlson4300

Ай бұрын

They’re practicing what they preach, they want games to be rental agreements and not purchases

@theoutsiderjess4869

Ай бұрын

​@@bencarlson4300 they're not getting another rental from me

@kylebookout1789

Ай бұрын

That's not what they said. Context is king.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

@@kylebookout1789 actually one of their CEO's stated this and it was in fact mirrored in an article. i mean unless you can prove to me otherwise... i believe what i have read and seen and what they don't deny.

@dangelocake2635

Ай бұрын

They're making it easy to be comfortable not owning their games when their games are Skull and Bones and AC Mirage.

Ross Scott (Accursed Farms) released a campaing on multiple countries to try stop this shit from happening using the Crew as Exhibit A. You should go and watch his video on this and support as much as you can. This shit has to stop, even if you don't care about the crew, better to do something now than when your favorite game is at the chopping block.

This is illegal in Australia. It goes against our consumer laws, so you could take them to court over this and set legal presidents.

None of these license agreements would withstand a legal challenge! You pay for and, “buy,” your game, and THEN you are forced to, “agree,” to the company’s license agreement, AFTER you paid already, but BEFORE they let you download or play the game! “The Right To Own,” should be the name of the campaign. And EVERY game should WORK independently, regardless of the company! The companies should, at the very least, be forced to STOP even calling them, “purchases.” If they are, “Renting,” games to us, they should have to call it that, and ALL of the TOS should be available BEFORE money changes hands. THEN let the market decide!

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

And if there is no alternative, the end-of-life date should be published before players make their "purchasing" decision.

I'm honestly done with Ubisoft

@kylebookout1789

Ай бұрын

No star wars outlaws? 😢

@buffsniper

Ай бұрын

​@@kylebookout1789The game looks like Absolute dogshit And most of The content is hidden behind "dlc:s"

@BerzerkJaeger

Ай бұрын

@@kylebookout1789 hell no the mc looks like a mf neanderthal,

@elpollo7079

Ай бұрын

only halfway decent game they released in the last few years was avatar. Only good game they released in the last few years was AC odyssey. Ubisoft is done

this really has nothing to do w/ Digital vs Physical. for instance when Destiny shuts down its servers eventually you wont be able to play if you own physical or not.

@jovelove2115

Ай бұрын

exactly.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

yes, however they are also trying to do this with single player games as well, so it still stands in what they are doing is purposeful intent, also locking DLC behind a server was never a good idea, that makes me believe that this was always the reason why the DLC was behind the servers in the first place, especially for the single player games. i feel at this point there is no going back, we have to allow Ubisoft to go bankrupt so they become desperate to sell everything to another company who won't attempt this same dance.

@HomeAloneGaming1

Ай бұрын

not true. if you still own the license and have the source code available then you (or a group) of people can set up their own servers but only if you have access to the license or source code

@1992zorro

28 күн бұрын

finally someone said it as it is. This Luke just like to spark controversy by telling half stories

Imagine a car you bought, would refuse to power on because it was launched 10 years ago.

The difference between The Crew 1 to the rest of them is the illegal street racing aspect. I enjoy being chased around by cops in a Lamborghini and the only new racing games that allow that is NFS Unbound

What we need all gamers to do is to shake the gaming companies a bit. They treat us like druggies, they think thst no matter what they do, gamers will still go back to them for more. Stop pre ordering games unless they short out the pricing and the game's ownership issue. These things should be regulated full stop.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

stop purchasing their games altogether and allow Ubisoft to go bankrupt so they have to sell to another company, and if that company tries the same bullshit, well then we can revisit this little dance once again, effectively creating the message this will happen to any company within the same industry this will happen to them if they attempt anything like this.

@elpollo7079

Ай бұрын

i think that will happen naturally with a sort of market equilibrium. none of these 70$ games are doing incredibly well and the ones that do reasonably pretty much deserve it. Dragons dogma 2 despite all the hate bcz of MTX and performance is an incredible game that deserved to do well with its high price tag. skull and bones however…

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

oh wow, my comment was completely destroyed yet again by youtube.

@senntai

Ай бұрын

@@elpollo7079 dragon's dogma 2 absolutely does not deserve to do well with that price tag this is just blatant bias and fanboyism. mtx, trash peformance, unfinished game are all things people fight against but when something they like has it suddenly it's all good and they white knight it not to mention it didn't even have a ''new game'' button on launch and it has less content than the first game which is less than half the price. Probably one of the worst examples you could've given for ''good 70 dollar games''. FF7 rebirth would be an actual good example. Tons of content that is actually good and no mtx

@elpollo7079

Ай бұрын

@@senntai mtx in dragons dogma is literally inconsequential. the fact you’re complaining about it shows you never played it or if you did then you’re just hating for no reason. If you played you’d know you can buy anything in game except for a rly useless ring and necklace that simulates a rly cheap item in game(it raises affinity just like flowers do which you can pick up or buy for less than what a single goblin drops in gold). The mtx have nothing to do with the quality other than people not knowing or playing capcom games and thinking it’s gonna get worse over time when capcom has consistently stayed the same for nearly 20 years now. if CDPR suddenly started adding mtx like this i’d be concerned because it could be a slippery slope unlike here where it’s clearly a normal practice that does not escalate or affect the player in practically any way. as for performance you’re right. personally it is a single player game and 30fps really does not matter for me when playing a singleplayer rpg however i can totally understand why people are upset with it not reaching 60 on current gen consoles. and here in the last paragraph you’re just blatantly lying. In no way shape or form does dragons dogma 2 have less content than dragons dogma 1. You are looking back at the first game and including the DLC dark arisen as well as all others to “the first game” which adds way more content than the base game has. This is pretty much guaranteed to happen again with the sequel. And another thing what does content that is actually good mean? are you referring to performance or saying the game itself is bad? even luke who is a major skeptic loved the gameplay with his major issue being performance(again an understandable issue to have). Also i’ve heard great things of FF7 rebirth so that would probably be a better example however the only valid concern you’ve addressed over dragons dogma 2 is the performance which despite being a valid point is still highly subjective since the majority of casual gamers really could not care less if a game is running at 30 or 60fps. In any case I don’t expect you to reply since i’m just a “fanboy” but you have been genuinely manipulated by general gaming media to believe a great game is trash due to unremarkable-weak performance, micro transactions that have 0 effect on the game(you probably think you need to buy fast travel with mtx💀), and comparing this game with its predecessor including the several DLCs it received over years of development then saying the sequel has less content than the first when it’s just not true. Dragons dogma has issues, performance being one of them, but it is still a great 8/10 game with amazing gameplay and one of the best class systems in video game history.

delisting and revoking a license is way different than putting out an offline patch

@lilcrow64

Ай бұрын

You can’t provide an off-line mode to the crew because all the information is synced to a server. The server is shut off all the details and info connected to it are gone.

This is exactly why I never play or spend money on live service games, and when it comes to any other digital game I buy them off CD Key sites for practically nothing. If these companies expect me to pay anywhere near full price let alone full price then give a guarantee I will own it forever, if not then you don't even get pennies from me.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

same, i feel it's best to allow Ubisoft to go bankrupt on this idea, at that point they will sell their product to another company, hopefully that company has better business sense, if not and they try this little idea again, well then they can also go bankrupt.

@user-cu8qt7cn8o

Ай бұрын

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Exactly. As customers we can talk as much as we want which of course we should as these companies need to know how we feel, however the only true way to make them change is to take away the only thing they care about, money. We do have the power but we need to use it.

I mean if my Xbox digital copy of Star Wars Battlefront II (2005) was revoked ahead of Aspyr’s remake, I’d be furious-especially after the disastrous launch.

@vissermatt1058

Ай бұрын

Hmmmm like how blizzard rewrote over wc3 with their garbage reforged

@MartinOReilly-mb4um

Ай бұрын

This is why they want you on modern online consoles- to eventually have that kind of power.

R.i.P the crew 1

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

The community are making progress toward a server emulator and modding support (at least for PC versions).

If ur a dev studio that requires an always online connection to play a game and u turn that connection off, making the game unplayable. Customers who bought said game, deserve recompense!

@johnnyjets2343

Ай бұрын

Tbh we should just expect that always online or live service games, won't last forever.

@aidenboyle3573

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyjets2343well then they need to charge a fraction of the cost.

@johnnyjets2343

Ай бұрын

@aidenboyle3573 I wouldn't hold my breath.

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyjets2343 We should expect games to be designed with an end-of-life plan. We should expect the shut-off date to be known before making a purchasing decision.

@johnnyjets2343

Ай бұрын

@Ryzza5 what games are known to have an end of life plan? The things your saying just aren't going to happen honestly.

Abandonware needs to be law. If a game is abandoned by the creators and is no longer available you should be able to download it for free through a store front like steam or something else where users can do what they want.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

agreed, no DRM or other bullshit attached.

@BlurredVision18

Ай бұрын

Sure, and whatever home project you started and didn't finish I should be able to come over and take your shit too.

@aidenboyle3573

Ай бұрын

@@BlurredVision18if it was a home project that I paid for, then you abruptly dropped it without telling me that when I bought it, then yes, I’m taking it

"you get nothing, you lose, good day sir"

Awesome take. Love your setup as well man!

I know a few congressman that might be able to fix this. Not sure they're aware of this but I'll certainly bring it to their attention.

@natmarelnam4871

Ай бұрын

They'll use it to pass BS laws that hurt gamers. Modern government doesn't stand for you, it stands on you to push its own agenda. In a world of low-effort trolls, lying works... action doesn't so why lead when you can do nothing, and win by lying.

A POI , Outside the USA consumer protection laws are generally untested with the specific sphere of game license keys. Specfically because the legality of "Purchasing" products has some legal protections and meaning and implication and it is not obvious whether how CP laws should treat the puchase of license keys. Like within Malaysia it's obvious and legal to subscribe to a service and for the provider to end the service after a reasonable period of time. In that sense the Eula is void where it implies that the end of service can be anytime after purchase . BUT critically this is the CP for rental/subscription but CP for Purchase has different requirement such as it being the responsibility of the purchaser to take care of the product and for the seller losing control of the product.

Create an archive for non-supported games. If you decide on the free to play model and want to pull the game, upload it to the archive, so others can keep it running on private servers

@natmarelnam4871

Ай бұрын

if companies weren't exclusively run by scumbags, this would have been done many years ago.

I hope this wakes people up to why physical media matter and we cant let companies try to get rid of it

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

Physical copies of The Crew are just as dead as the digital ones.

Boycotting Ubisoft. A line has to be drawn.

@TwistedSecrets777

Ай бұрын

over one crappy game lol the crew 2 is still around go play it it was 100 times better than the first one

@Lowkey-yb4nm

Ай бұрын

@@TwistedSecrets777 it’s abt principle. No one is asking them to keep the servers online, fans can mod in a server. It’s abt the fact that they sold you a product then deleted it from your hard drive. All while pushing 130$ games. This is how it starts, first it’s a game people don’t really care about, then it only goes down hill from here.

@1992zorro

28 күн бұрын

​@@Lowkey-yb4nmyou're right

if thats allowed, its probably also legal to visit the ceo at home and ask my money back

@nickhard7615

Ай бұрын

You won't

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

Ай бұрын

or just boycott the company for their current titles and their future so long as they still own the rights to it. basically allow them to go bankrupt on this idea and force them to sell out of desperation to another company. Ubisoft can no longer be trusted.

@ozziey52

Ай бұрын

Big talk for some internet points 😂😂😂

@ozziey52

Ай бұрын

@@user-tp5yb4hr4wyea buddy, that will definitely work!!

@buffsniper

Ай бұрын

@@ozziey52 boycotting does work.

I can play Gran Turismo 3 today with the same cars and stuff I did in like 2001. There’s no excuse for this kind of licensing excuse. This is the perfect arena for the EU to introduce legislation to protect consumers and guarantee our access to products bought. If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing.

@BowtieJDP

Ай бұрын

You wouldn’t download a car…

It keeps getting called an "online only" game but theres an offline mode in the exe that's been hidden, on one of the older versions of the game on consoles too you could get the offline mode to appear by doing some steps but it wasn't selectable you could only get it to display. The intro to the game's story is all done "offline" and all the story missions take you out of the online aspect of the game so there was no issues with ubishit patching the game like how gran turismo sport was patched at end of life to make the single player content available for people who "own" it. There's a group on discord trying to figure out eumlating te servers so people can get the game running again without ubishits involvement and they seem to be making good progress. Sucks for console players though as the game is just gone for them forever.

I can feel the wave of high sea stronger than ever

The car deals have nothing to do with it, I can still play every racing game I bought, you just can't buy new copies of it. They removed it from players libraries to stop them contacting support and gathering evidence for the stopkillinggames protest. We don't even want ubisoft themselves to keep servers up, just give the community the tools or don't bother closing down a private server if/when it pops up.

The Crew is my #1 favorite game ever and this has been devastating, ive spent 2,300 hours on this game over the corse of its lifetime, and i played it as my peice to relax when things got stressful. It was my after work beer, my escape from the the stress. Now its gone. And it cant be pirated either, i keep seeing comments saying just pirate it. THE CREW CANT BE PIRATED, AT ALL. I and many others played this game till it was shut down. But i already miss it. This game is what got me to make a steam account. My first purchase. Its what i had through high school. And the beginning of adulthood. And im still mid 20's and this game was stolen from me, by ubisoft. FUCKING THEIF. The Crew. Cant be replaced by is actuality worse sequals, no matter how much they try to get me to play them. (I purchased the crew 2, and It's worse.) And the crew moterfest, is full of SweetBabyInc garbage.

@PhoachPlaylist

Ай бұрын

I own(ed) 4 copies of this game across 2 steam accounts, one physical XBOX ONE, and one playstation 4 copy. I also have 2 receipts for gifted copies to steam friends. My main account has over 2.3k hours with all DLC purchased on it the steam account username (Phoach) its my 2nd most played game ever. This is an important part of growing up with games. This is the most important game to me, nothing comes close as this game does. I don't care about any other game.

@PhoachPlaylist

Ай бұрын

And that doesn't even scratch the surface. I had friends that all I did was to go on road trips and do the 8hr faction races with and I'd also always participate in the Police PVP and I was rank 1 (top rank), I had every car in the game, but haven't had the chance to play with them all or even level them all up.

@MartinOReilly-mb4um

Ай бұрын

All I can say is learn from this. Never buy a game that you can't take and play Offline. Probably best to go GOG. And yes, this will mean you won't be able to play some online games, but why bother with Online when they can just take it away from you and you don't even get your money back?

@1992zorro

28 күн бұрын

somebody help this man

Yeah, we should get a refund. Sometimes I buy games that are quite old (over 10 years old) and I didn't try yet. Imagine if I got it with a 90% discount, didn't touch it yet, after maybe a year, and it gets removed before I even felt like playing it. Bad on me for buying a game I didn't feel like playing at the time? Yeah, maybe, but the point is I bought it. I paid money for access to that game.

@devbyrd6127

Ай бұрын

All storefronts have clear refund policies. They don’t care if you bought the game today or when it came it. Just gotta be careful

@user-ld3ol5kr9n

Ай бұрын

Ya maybe? No disagree 100% obviously this is why you wrote them the comment and I'm being a stickler but there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. I know that's how you feel to. This is their bad. Horrible horrible business practice from a shit company that has ultimate contempt for gamers.

@joseijosei

Ай бұрын

@@devbyrd6127 I know, and that's why I like buying games on GoG, but we rarely get to see companies abusing those policies the way Ubisoft did. What I'm saying is that it doesn't feel right.

licensing agreements has nothing to do with the game being playable. This is very well documented in the racing game community. They are not allowed to sell the game past a certain date where their license is expired, but that says nothing about the people who already own the game. Eg. Every single Forza game is still playable if you purchased it before it got delisted. It's about them distributing the IP, not about people owning the IP. The licenses expiring only meant that new people could not purchase a digital copy.

@ragnoxis05

Ай бұрын

Servers are going down in April.

@greedowins2917

Ай бұрын

Sounds right, but this is live service, and now that they can't sell it, they have no incentive to maintain the servers.

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

@@greedowins2917 the incentive is good-will so that players continue to "purchase" your new games. At least provide an offline patch, it can't be more than a couple hours work.

I smell a class action lawsuit...

@devbyrd6127

Ай бұрын

I don’t think consumers would win. Like a lawsuit wouldn’t really shake the gaming industry. Most likely Ubisoft would win in the end

@nossy232323

Ай бұрын

@@devbyrd6127 Well, in EU it is illegal what Ubisoft does here. They can correct this "mistake" by providing an offline mode or a mode where people have to provide the servers themselves.

Hi Luke, there is a campaign already running by accursed farm and they seem to make alot of progress. They are going legal routes to regulate this issue.

Another reason to add why piracy is a just cause for consumers & game preservation.

If buying isnt owning, piracy isnt theft

@BowtieJDP

Ай бұрын

Ubisoft be like: you wouldn’t download a car…

I’m not sure how long it’s been, (decades at least), but I can’t remember when we ever OWNED a game. We just buy software licenses to play games. You agree to an End User License Agreement for any game that connects online. I don’t read them, but I assume there is a bit about the publisher reserving their right to shut down access to any online components.

If buying a game doesnt mean owning it, then piracy doesnt mean stealing. Simple as.

How about they change the "buy" or "purchase" button with a 'Rent' button with a disclaimer that the game can be revoked at any time for any reason. Or would that hurt sales too much?

you should have mentioned stopkillinggames

I love tthe hr outro mix up 16x the Details haha

The James Bond villain "You'll own nothing and be Happy! Are you Happy Now?

I get your analogy with netflix but I think that's more akin to like if they take a game off gamepass. I think with this it'd be like if you bought a movie on amazon prime video and then they took it down and you can't watch it anymore

It made me laugh when they said we are sorry about this happening but we recommend you buy The Crew 2 and The Crew Motorfest 4:00

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

But they will be delisted eventually as well. So why bother?

Online only games are glorified rentals and yet people spend hundreds of dollars in the game and content, knowing fully that you will eventually loose access to it. Even if you have a physical copy of the Crew, you basically have a coaster.

This isn't the first time a company has removed content from customers. Meta bought a game that I really liked called Echo VR, then shut down the servers. So people who bought skins basically just got scammed. They also removed my Oculus home that I spent many hours customizing and relaxing in. I don't understand how they are able to remove my home from my PC. I guess I didn't realize that It required an internet connection to access.

There's 2 steps to this that cause different problems. 1. Not having access to the servers and not buying the game, which is a problem in the fact that people can't access a game they paid for. 2. Revoking the product keys and licenses from people's libraries is like the repo man coming to take my car AFTER if paid it off completely and then continued to drive it for years. Taking the game from people's library means they should get a refund, period, full stop.

great topic

I love this game and have so ever since it was unveiled despite the rough edges it wound up having. Now I'm left with 3 copies of the game across different platforms that don't work while being told to play the sequels which I don't like at all. I really hope something comes out of all this that changes things for the better.

Fully support regulation. If gaming companies can’t do things fairly and more importantly where they don’t screw over consumers, then government should force them to comply.

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

Exactly, could you imagine if Valve pulled something like this with our massive Steam libraries. Thankfully they seem to be a lot more trustworthy than EA or Ubisoft, even if they aren't perfect.

Ubisoft, EA, and Bethesda have completely lost my money for the foreseeable future

this probably applies to DLC as well think about that. even if you only buy physical your DLC can be taken away

Yeah this whole Situatoon is Wild honestly as Live service games that are only Online can and will die off one day. Ubirent is just showing us this even more now.

This is why I own physical copies and digital copies of my absolute favorite games. This way I always own the game, and I leave them and all dlc downloaded on my device all the time. I have games on systems from 2010 ( like batman arkham origins ) that are now delisted that I will NEVER delete so I always have access to the game( or at least the dlc )

@lucasLSD

Ай бұрын

The Crew is an online game, a disk means nothing to it, the protest isn't about physical media vs digital, it's about letting players open up servers if the company won't do it.

@Nitroh-

Ай бұрын

In general, yes, physical media helps preserve games but in instances like The Crew where it's an online only game, the disc becomes a useless circle thing. You can load The Crew on console, but you can't play the game, you can't get passed the main menu since there is no server to connect to. Unless there is a way to rip the console version to PC via emulation and create a server to run the game, we will never play TC1 again. The same thing will happen to every online only game at some point in time regardless of digital or physical.

"OH S**T.... I forgot to water the crops"

Fuck Ubisoft for revoking access to reliving some of my fondest memories, never ever buying a game from them. I wasn't gonna buy TC Motorfest because of how underwhelming it is, but now I'll never even consider it

I similarly hate mods on Steam for a similar reason. If a mod creator pulls a mod, Steam will remove it from your downloads, and then basically gray out of the entire existence of the mod, and you may never know what exact mod disappeared. I don't think that should happen. If I downloaded a copy, I should still have that copy. I might not have the rights to redistribute it against the modder's will, or sell it, or any other illegal intellectual property action, but any old mods from 20 years ago you can't download for UT, well, I still have them! All digital stuff is just allowing companies and creators to say "I HAVE FULL CONTROL, YOU HAVE NONE, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE I SAID SO!" Before this level of digital control, nobody was going around saying you have to delete all your copies of a mod or game, or burn your physical discs under penalty of law if you don't. And this is why with Steam mods, if I truly care about keeping them, I copy them out of the Steam official download folder, and put them in the manual install location and back them up on my drives.

U should see sports game and how quickly they cut the servers off for those,im playing MLB 22 the show ( 2 year old game ) and servers are offline..cant get updated rosters or community downloaded rosters

@xman777b

Ай бұрын

wow. I wonder if the initial patches are even still available.?

I purchased The Crew on steam in december 2022, imagine buying it right before announcement of shutdown!

The word Luke is searching for is empathy.

When I was a young teen hearing about The Crew coming out I was hearing about it being really buggy and having horrible handling so I swept it to the back of my mind, but in recent hindsight as an adult I've been interested in trying it out because of its intriguing story and cool body kits... but that will have to wait until the server emulator is finished

I’ve always wanted the government to stay far away from gaming but as someone who use to love cod it should be illegal to have a price tag on a piece of software that’s being ruined by players who are deliberately going against the term & services agreement.

I also think things like this will push more PC players to GoG as with Steam this is also an issue, you are paying for access to the game, not owning the game itself with Steam.

@MartinOReilly-mb4um

Ай бұрын

I knew this would happen which is why I've been on GOG for years. loving it. We warned, but if people would rather trust UBIsoft/etc rather than keep their games there's nothing we can do for them.

They are planning to make a offline mode for It hope they do this to other online based games too

The game was multiplayer only, correct? In this particular case, it doesn't even matter to be honest. You launch it, see the main menu and can't access any of the content cause the servers have been shut down, so it unironically doesn't matter.

The question is if its an online only game and the servers are shut down why do you need the game in the library?

I think to avoid license issues regulators should force game developers to buy a permanent access to music and cars used in game in the scope of that specific game.

They should have delisted it and enabled the offline mode! That would shield them from licensing issues!

The problem is, do we intend to completely disallow people from "renting" games altogether? Maybe a lot of casual gamers like the idea of paying less to have a game for a limited amount of time. Then if there's a market for renting games with clearer upfront terms for what you're actually purchasing, the company can just decide to not sell the game in the usual sense.

@Ryzza5

Ай бұрын

Nobody paid less, it was a full price game at least initially. Ubisoft already has a 'GamePass' rental option which is not what anyone is complaining about.

Licensing running out is not the consumer's fault, if they want to have real cars ingame provide them, if they can't go the route GTA does with close to real knock offs.

So let me get this straight, in the simplest terms. I buy something, they take it back and they DONT give me my money back for taking it back? And thats LEGAL?

If this is going to be the case for digital copies, steam, ps store, and all online shops needs to add tags where it says that we only purchased the licenses for the particular game. It pretty sus that t&cs are only available once you bought the game.

Please make a video on Frostpunk 2 Luke. The open Beta is out now!

We are in that Fuck Around phase. A lot of companies probably want to do this but dont want to be the first one, and everyone is just waiting for someone to take the PR hit (paying for Twitter checkmarks, Reddit selling API access, Apple ditching headphone jack). If we don't do anything such that we move into the Find Out phase, we might see other companies like EA or Steam start to drop games cause they've seen Ubisoft do it with no consequences.

and I was gonna buy the crew motor fest soon, glad I waited lol never have to worry about me buying anything from them ever again, only game I think I've ever bought from ubisoft was rayman for ps1

I gave up on Ubisoft years ago. I had no patience for the endless, Kafka-like sing-up--sign-in procedure.

The solution would be to make everything original like in Burnout, but there are so many people who cant play racing games without Lambos or Porsches.

Need for Speed Rivals is still up and going strong it came out in 2013 wow fuck Ubisoft

If a live game is shutting down, devs needs to release the server/database executable with the personal user data so player can keep play the they PAID for. And if some players are willing to share their own personal data with others and keep playing on a server they opened together, well they should be able to do that!

Oh wow crazy almost like people have been saying this would happen for years…if you were one of the people making fun of them you deserve this now I hope the crew was your favorite game

@MartinOReilly-mb4um

Ай бұрын

This. Many us warned and we warned hard. We got shut out and no one cared. They're caring now.

So, even if I bought a physical copy of The Crew 1 , it would be no longer playable? Because it is always online?

@princemwamba5230

Ай бұрын

Yeap

Has anyone justified why stuff like films don't have to retroactively remove licensed music despite the fact they are still available to purchase, download and own by people. But for games its treated like this?! I know copyright laws are incredibly outdated but it's mad to me that the same kind of licensing isn't applied to games.

Every year EA's Sport Games getting de-listed when a new one comes out BUT they at least let you download old games if you bought it when it was available...

just wanna say. you can still buy and play anthem online

that is why steam has a killswitch in place, as Lord Gaben said himself that if valve was ever to go down, all your library will have it's DRM removed and will be free to download and you'll get all the files ( basicly a GOG version of the game ) that is why you can play your steam games offline, the only problem will be the multiplayer only games that requires constant connexion, dev of the games and publishers will have to give out the files to the public and a mean to setup a P2P server.

Ubisoft taking the Crew away from us is like you have a chair in your house (your favorite chair) and one day you come home and your chair is gone, and when you ask the store why the your chair is gone, they say: "We had to take it back because the copyright for the design is expired". THIS SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM!

it doesn't matter how old the game is or how long player never play it. it still theirs can anyone walk into your store house and take whatever you didn't use it? heck no right?

Just as my old box of Lego's I have upstairs which is over 30 years old, I can still play with it and the Lego company hasn't come by to take it away from me because I no longer hold the rights to it, even though trademarks are understandable, I should be allowed to keep playing a game as long as I have a Platform for it. Trademark holders should just deal with the fact that if they allow something to be in a game longer than the deal is made, the company who holds the Trademark for that brand should accept the fact that the license will now be permanently attached to the game. (and only that game).

Apple was going to move to usbc - they specifically gave lightning a 10 year lifespan, and they changed on the 9.5 year mark. The eu may have shifted it up a generation but it was still coming

If we bought the game.... THEN THE GAME SHOULD BE OURS TO PLAY REGARDLESS OF THE TIME FRAME.... we really do need some sort of legal protection . We can not let these companies get away with this type of bs regardless if the game is online play only or not

Consumers that don't see a problem with this definitely took the smaller school bus growing up

There needs to be a Gamers Bill of Rights similar to what the airlines passengers have after being screwed over on flights. The Bill of Rights should supercede EULA and TOS and be the endgame focused of GG2.

You made some good points 8:49 honestly it should the platform selling the products issue. Not even on the devolpers or anything. If there’s a song or car or something licensed for a said time period, than Xbox/playstation/steam/whatever should work something out with the people feeling robbed. Like let’s say something of mines is in the game. And instead of delisting the game entirely because of me Xbox charges people idk, 1 or 2 dollars ontop of the initial game price. Or maybe more depending if you bought the game on sale or so. It is there responsibility I mean there allowing these games on their platforms and have a lot of experience and teams made for this type of thing. The fact that no one is doing anything is so shady. Of course they wanna delist the game that millions of people bought, so they have to buy their next mediocre racing game. Ubisoft is the only company to nail something in the first game and gradually make it worst throughout the series.

Tbh, i want regulators for this now. Game companies are going unchecked, they are pushing boundaries more and more, i get that no one wants their rights potentially infringed on, but there needs to be protections against this. Gaming has a large audience, including kids. I don't see why we can't get this shit under wraps. We already had disputes about loot boxes, why not arbitrary life spans? These are products, not perishables that should spoil after time.